Frustration Is ...
mikea
extent that:
1) I can't ssh or telnet through the firewall to get to my mail
filters;
2) The new PIX HTTP proxy is now in play and Not Up To The Job:
my iPhone, using 3G or EDGE, is faster by a measured factor
of 10. We have a 1Gbit pipe to the world, and it ain't the pipe,
folks; it's the PIX.
Add to that their lack of understanding of the firewall: "We rebooted it
when it started misbehaving yesterday, and it didn't get any better" and
their unwillingness to ask for or to accept help, and you get a
situation in which I'm going to be sitting and waiting for A While.
During that time, I shall be unable to do anything productive because I
can't get to the gear outside the firewall. I hate that. I can't do a
damn thing about it, either, which is, if anything, even worse.
--
"But I *love* kids, it's just that I can never eat a whole one."
-- Lionel, possibly quoting someone else,
in the Monastery
mikea
> mikea <mi...@mikea.ath.cx> writes:
>
>> Add to that their lack of understanding of the firewall: "We rebooted it
>> when it started misbehaving yesterday, and it didn't get any better"
>
Rebooting it wasn't a bad idea. To say that nothing was w0rng after the
reboot, however, was ... well, w0rng.
> might not help for longer than 5 minutes though.
>
> And if the firewall is doing anything more intensive than stateful
> filtering, expect to keep between 50 and 20% performance. Of course, no
> vendor will tell you so outright, and 'admins' that don't know this will
> continue to cry that the firewall isn't at fault, because "Look! The
> nice dashboard on the web UI says it is only using 20% of the bandwidth
> available."
GUI? This firewall? Not for performance monitoring, I hasten to assure
you.
--
"My code is elegant", "Your code is sneaky", "His code is an ugly hack"
-- Colin Percival on irregular verbs
Kenneth Brody
> mikea <mi...@mikea.ath.cx> writes:
>
>> Add to that their lack of understanding of the firewall: "We rebooted it
>> when it started misbehaving yesterday, and it didn't get any better"
>
>
> might not help for longer than 5 minutes though.
>
> And if the firewall is doing anything more intensive than stateful
> filtering, expect to keep between 50 and 20% performance. Of course, no
> vendor will tell you so outright, and 'admins' that don't know this will
> continue to cry that the firewall isn't at fault, because "Look! The
> nice dashboard on the web UI says it is only using 20% of the bandwidth
> available."
"I have a Vista Ultimate system with 512MB RAM and a 1GHz single-core CPU.
That must be plenty, since the task manager shows only 20% CPU usage. It
must be something else causing your program to be so slow."
--
Kenneth Brody
Just zis Guy, you know?
<kenb...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>"I have a Vista Ultimate system with 512MB RAM and a 1GHz single-core CPU.
>That must be plenty, since the task manager shows only 20% CPU usage. It
>must be something else causing your program to be so slow."
Wasn't it a Doonesbury cartoon on the Newton that had the characters
exhorting the hero to hold it down to the box specs? I really should
have kept it.
Guy
--
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Greg Andrews
>
>We have a 1Gbit pipe to the world, and it ain't the pipe,
>folks; it's the PIX.
>
Oh ${Deity}, a PIX. "I'll take 'Top Ten Things to Break Your Network'
for $8000, Alex."
-Greg
--
::::::::::::::: Greg Andrews :::::: ge...@panix.com :::::::::::::::
"Whatever happened to the evil in the world?"
"Didn't it get outsourced to India last quarter?"
-- Dan Birchall and Charles Herbig
mikea
> mikea <mi...@mikea.ath.cx> writes:
>>
>>We have a 1Gbit pipe to the world, and it ain't the pipe,
>>folks; it's the PIX.
>>
>
> Oh ${Deity}, a PIX. "I'll take 'Top Ten Things to Break Your Network'
> for $8000, Alex."
It was actually rather more interesting than I was aware when I posted
initially.
The notwork troops made some core notwork changes, routing http stuff
through a PIX proxy and ditching an old but perfectly functional Aches
box. Other core notwork changes were incorporated at the same time, in a
not-rollable-back fashion.
They also found themselves under a DDOS, and wound up having to throttle
stuff at the edge router. This appeared initially to be simply a failure
in the firewall, but wasn't. Our upstream was quite concerned. I'm more
than a bit surprised that they even noticed.
--
VBScript is designed to be a secure programming environment. It
lacks various commands that can be potentially damaging if used in
a malicious manner. This added security is critical in enterprise
solutions. -- support.microsoft.com
id...@videotron.qc.ca
Hey mikea, why don't you try and get a clue?
id...@videotron.qc.ca
Hi Mikey,
Thank you for submitting your request for help with your
non-backed up experimental home system that you don't fully
understand. Your Luser Club Card is on its way.
Best
The world
mikea
> mikea <mi...@mikea.ath.cx> wrote: ?please help me I'm a luser?
> Hi Mikey,
> Thank you for submitting your request for help with your
> non-backed up experimental home system that you don't fully
> understand. Your Luser Club Card is on its way.
Ah, yes. This poster demonstrates that knowing how to post here is not
equivalent to having something to say. He insists, nonetheless, on
saying his nothing.
Killfile, id...@videotron.qc.ca.
id...@videotron.qc.ca, killfile.
--
"The most interesting thing about King Charles I is that he was 5' 6" at
the beginning of his reign and 4' 8" at the end of it, and all because
of ..."
-- from the intro to a Monty Python song - "Oliver Cromwell"
TimC
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> Frustration is the firewall gurus Getting Things Screwed Up to the
> extent that:
>
> 1) I can't ssh or telnet through the firewall to get to my mail
> filters;
> 2) The new PIX HTTP proxy is now in play and Not Up To The Job:
> my iPhone, using 3G or EDGE, is faster by a measured factor
> of 10. We have a 1Gbit pipe to the world, and it ain't the pipe,
> folks; it's the PIX.
>
> Add to that their lack of understanding of the firewall: "We rebooted it
> when it started misbehaving yesterday, and it didn't get any better" and
> their unwillingness to ask for or to accept help, and you get a
> situation in which I'm going to be sitting and waiting for A While.
Oh don't tell me that. We're about to be borged by a supposed
Department of Innovation (sic). And our network connection will have
to go through their great experimental firewall of China^WAustralia
that they're trying out on pubic servants before they try it out of
the general public. Our mail will be sexchange. We will not be able
to negotiate SLAs that state they're not to do scheduled network
"upgrades" during the day rather than night (us being
$PEOPLE_WHO_LOOK_AT_THE_STARS).
And they think that Linux is a security risk. It can't go on their
network. Embedded machine are a Must Not, given that you can't
perform logging of user actions on them (as there are no users).
Visitor accounts will be a nightmare, and getting data to our users
will be even worse (you seriously allow portable drives on your
network? What are you thinking?), as government departments must be
secretive, mmmkay? Heck, they're scratching their heads over how many
of the employees here are joint employees with other organisations, or
even worse, aren't citizens, let alone were born here (they went
around asking for our nationalities the other day, as well as where we
were born).
Hey siggy! What's up mate?
--
TimC
Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.
-- Hamilcar Barca in comp.os.linux.advocacy
Bron Gondwana
mikea <mi...@mikea.ath.cx> wrote:
> > [ rubbish trimmed from references, etc ]
> Ah, yes. This poster demonstrates that knowing how to post here is not
> equivalent to having something to say. He insists, nonetheless, on
> saying his nothing.
Indeed. I'm still boggling at the idea of some impertinent twerp
trying to hand mikea a "Luser Club" card. The nerve.
Bron.
Zebee Johnstone
There are such things?
I want some for the bods ordering and setting up the infrastructure
for the "must do right now, big boss pet project!" boxes I'm trying to
build.
Need one for "can't organise firewall rules", one for "Connect the
cables dipshit", one for "that switch on the switch? The one labelled
power? Yeah, that one" one for and "If you want an OS on this, then giving
the Windows one to the windows bod will work better ya know", one for
"well you might think backing up to that server will work but I know
it happens to a) not be a backup server and b) be in a completely
different data centre".
And no doubt a few more in the next few days.
Zebee
- who has a whole 'nother rant about HP and their bloody ILO
licencing regime. If I want to faff about on a bloody website with
broken software and stupid forms and give you the same information
3 times on successive pages to have you reject it, I'll use our
internal systems not yours you fungal life forms.
Joe Zeff
> let alone were born here (they went
> around asking for our nationalities the other day, as well as where we
> were born).
If they tried that on me, they'd get a tad more information than the
expected. How many adults do you know who can tell them the name of the
hospital they were born in?
--
Joe Zeff -- The Guy With The Sideburns:
http://www.zeff.us http://www.lasfs.info
Personally, when it comes to guaranteed lethality, I'll stick with
nukes.
Brian Kantor
> were born).
"I am a citizen of the world, and therefore owe allegiance to no one."
- Brian
Niklas Karlsson
> How many adults do you know who can tell them the name of the hospital they
> were born in?
A fair few, actually; I can certainly name the one I wa�s born in. It
may vary widely by nationality and type of health care system, though.
Niklas
--
"Some people think that noise abatement should be a higher priority for ATC. I
say safety is noise abatement. You have no idea how much noise it makes to have
a 737 fall out of the sky after an accident." -- anon. air traffic controller
hymie!
Joe Zeff <the.guy.with....@lasfs.info>, who said:
>How many adults do you know who can tell them the name of the
>hospital they were born in?
*raises hand*
--hymie! http://lactose.homelinux.net/~hymie hy...@lactose.homelinux.net
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Robert Sneddon
Zeff <the.guy.with....@lasfs.info> writes
>If they tried that on me, they'd get a tad more information than the
>expected. How many adults do you know who can tell them the name of the
>hospital they were born in?
I couldn't, since I was a home birth. I know exactly which room of
which house I was born in and even which bed (until it was replaced
during a house move).
--
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Maarten Wiltink
news:4b9541fe$0$31794$ec3e...@unlimited.usenetmonster.com...
> On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:05:12 +1100, TimC wrote:
>> let alone were born here (they went
>> around asking for our nationalities the other day, as well as where we
>> were born).
>
> If they tried that on me, they'd get a tad more information than the
> expected. How many adults do you know who can tell them the name of
> the hospital they were born in?
I'd expect _all_ of them to know. Doesn't everybody? Our parents simply
told us.
In true Rotterdam style, the hospital is no longer there. But when we
were younger, the bloodbank was in that building and we went with my
father several times when he donated.
Tebrgwrf,
Maarten Wiltink
Jed Davis
> "Joe Zeff" <the.guy.with....@lasfs.info> wrote in message
> news:4b9541fe$0$31794$ec3e...@unlimited.usenetmonster.com...
>
>> If they tried that on me, they'd get a tad more information than the
>> expected. How many adults do you know who can tell them the name of
>> the hospital they were born in?
>
> I'd expect _all_ of them to know. Doesn't everybody? Our parents simply
> told us.
I might have been told at some point, but since it needs to be known
approximately never ("city of birth" is the closest thing I've ever had
to know, and even that not often), it seems to have been GCed.
--
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((lambda (r) ((C C) (lambda (s) (r (lambda l (apply (s s) l)))))) (lambda
(f) (lambda (l) (if (null? l) C (lambda (k) (display (car l)) ((f (cdr l))
(C k))))))) '((#\J #\d #\D #\v #\s) (#\e #\space #\a #\i #\newline)))))
Joe Zeff
> "Joe Zeff" <the.guy.with....@lasfs.info> wrote in message
> news:4b9541fe$0$31794$ec3e...@unlimited.usenetmonster.com...
>> On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:05:12 +1100, TimC wrote:
>
>>> let alone were born here (they went
>>> around asking for our nationalities the other day, as well as where we
>>> were born).
>>
>> If they tried that on me, they'd get a tad more information than the
>> expected. How many adults do you know who can tell them the name of
>> the hospital they were born in?
>
> I'd expect _all_ of them to know. Doesn't everybody? Our parents simply
> told us.
>
Most people I've spoken with were astonished that Marcia and I know the
hospital's name. Maybe it's just that we've only mentioned it to the
wrong sort of person.
> In true Rotterdam style, the hospital is no longer there.
Rose Maternity Hospital in la.ca.us has been gone for decades.
--
Joe Zeff -- The Guy With The Sideburns:
http://www.zeff.us http://www.lasfs.info
Ya ta!
Garrett Wollman
Maarten Wiltink <usene...@mfw.dds.nl> wrote:
>"Joe Zeff" <the.guy.with....@lasfs.info> wrote in message
>news:4b9541fe$0$31794$ec3e...@unlimited.usenetmonster.com...
>> the hospital they were born in?
>
>I'd expect _all_ of them to know. Doesn't everybody? Our parents simply
>told us.
I could find out from my birth certificate, I believe. (Although I
might have to go to Virginia to track down the original -- the
replcement they issued me is laser-printed and doesn't have all the
information the original had.) But I haven't lived there since I was
six months old, so it has never even come up.
-GAWollman
--
Garrett A. Wollman | What intellectual phenomenon can be older, or more oft
wol...@bimajority.org| repeated, than the story of a large research program
Opinions not shared by| that impaled itself upon a false central assumption
my employers. | accepted by all practitioners? - S.J. Gould, 1993
Brian Kantor
>>> the hospital they were born in?
I believe I have both the birth certificate and the bill from the hospital
for my birth tucked away in the safe deposit, but I don't remember the
name of the hospital. I think I remember the bill was something like $29
after Blue Cross.
- Brian
David Cameron Staples
> In alt.sysadmin.recovery on Mon, 8 Mar 2010 19:14:22 +1100 Bron Gondwana
> <br...@brong.net> wrote:
>> In alt.sysadmin.recovery, on Sun, 7 Mar 2010 16:39:55 -0600 mikea
>> <mi...@mikea.ath.cx> wrote:
>>> > [ rubbish trimmed from references, etc ]
>>> Ah, yes. This poster demonstrates that knowing how to post here is
>>> not equivalent to having something to say. He insists, nonetheless,
>>> on saying his nothing.
>>
>> Indeed. I'm still boggling at the idea of some impertinent twerp
>> trying to hand mikea a "Luser Club" card. The nerve.
>
> There are such things?
Of course. Everyone is born with one, and must then earn the right to get
rid of it.
--
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Melbourne University | School of Engineering | IT Support
thanks to opera for the wii, i can now watch youtube on my tv
we have gone full circle -- bash.org/?820499
TimC
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> and now a part of Brigham and Women's.
And now there's no beds so you're expected to stand, not lie?
--
TimC
I was feeling sorry for myself and an old man came up and said
"Cheer up, things could be worse."
So I cheered up and, sure enough, things got worse. -- Trad
John F. Eldredge
> On 2010-03-08, Bob Clements (aka Bruce)
> was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
>> The quaintly named "Boston Lying In Hospital", since borged a few times
>> and now a part of Brigham and Women's.
>
> And now there's no beds so you're expected to stand, not lie?
"Lying In Hospital" means that it was a maternity hospital. The standard
medical advice used to be that a woman should be confined to bed for the
last several weeks of her pregnancy. Now, I believe that the doctors
recommend that she should remain moderately active, so that her body will
better be able to withstand the considerable stress of giving birth.
--
John F. Eldredge -- jo...@jfeldredge.com
"Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better
than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria
Steve VanDevender
> Laser-printed my fanny.
That must have been some feat getting it through the rollers.
--
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Every day comes, every day goes / 100 years and nobody shows -- Happy Rhodes
David Cameron Staples
scripsit:
> Satya <sat...@satyaonline.cjb.net> writes:
>
>> Laser-printed my fanny.
>
> That must have been some feat getting it through the rollers.
He didn't say it was attached to him at the time...
--
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Melbourne University | School of Engineering | IT Support
<h|tler> HOW THE **** CAN YOU TELL THAT I'M 13 BY LOOKING AT WHAT
I'M WRITEING????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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Steve VanDevender
> On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:05:12 +1100, TimC wrote:
>
>> let alone were born here (they went
>> around asking for our nationalities the other day, as well as where we
>> were born).
>
> If they tried that on me, they'd get a tad more information than the
> expected. How many adults do you know who can tell them the name of the
> hospital they were born in?
The hospital I was born in is just a few blocks away from where I am
now. Well, actually in the last year or two they moved a lot of their
facilities to a new building two or three miles away, but there's still
an emergency room at the old facility.
LP
> In our last episode, the evil Dr. Lacto had captured our hero,
> Joe Zeff <the.guy.with....@lasfs.info>, who said:
>
>>How many adults do you know who can tell them the name of the
>>hospital they were born in?
>
> *raises hand*
Yup, me also.
A couple of years back, I ended up renting a house opposite it.
Not the quietest house I've ever lived in, being on a main road,
opposite a hospital with a large A&E|ER department - just down the
road from a firestation, with a police station a similar distance
away.
Sirens all day, flashing lights all night and large trucks going
between the supermarket and the motorway at all hours.
Still, I was impressed that when the local chavs set fire to a
car out the back, the fire engine generally turned up about 30
seconds after I'd finished the phone call to the firestation.
-Paul
--
http://paulseward.com
Shmuel Metz
at 04:39 PM, mikea <mi...@mikea.ath.cx> said:
>Killfile, id...@videotron.qc.ca.
I've been tempted to drop anything from eternal september; I'm not sure
whether they oppose it or embrace it.
--
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Reply to domain Patriot dot net user shmuel+bspfh to contact me.
We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress.
(S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003)
Richard Gadsden
> On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:05:12 +1100, TimC wrote:
>
>> let alone were born here (they went
>> around asking for our nationalities the other day, as well as where we
>> were born).
>
> If they tried that on me, they'd get a tad more information than the
> hospital they were born in?
Well, me, and I can complain that they renamed it after fscking
Princess Diana as well.
--
Richard Gadsden ric...@gadsden.name
"I disagree with what you say but I will defend to
the death your right to say it" - Attributed to Voltaire
Shmuel Metz
at 07:14 PM, Bron Gondwana <br...@brong.net> said:
>Indeed. I'm still boggling at the idea of some impertinent twerp trying
>to hand mikea a "Luser Club" card.
The most abundant elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity;
I've heard that we're running out of Hydrogen.
>The nerve.
Nerve is expected here. Cluelessness is not wanted. The OP showed both,
but only the second bothers me.
I wonder whether Mike will consider the twerp worth a good flame.
mikea
> In <slrnhp9ceu...@ravna.brong.net>, on 03/08/2010
> at 07:14 PM, Bron Gondwana <br...@brong.net> said:
>
>>Indeed. I'm still boggling at the idea of some impertinent twerp trying
>>to hand mikea a "Luser Club" card.
>
> The most abundant elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity;
> I've heard that we're running out of Hydrogen.
>
>>The nerve.
>
> Nerve is expected here. Cluelessness is not wanted. The OP showed both,
> but only the second bothers me.
>
> I wonder whether Mike will consider the twerp worth a good flame.
At most the same flame I gave Sigur:
At the moment you couldn't flame your way out of a bag of oxy-
acetylene mix.
-- Me, to Sigur
He's not worth the effort of composing one just for him.
--
I'm seriously considering getting one of those bright-orange prison
overalls and stencilling PASSENGER on the back. Along with the paper
slippers, I ought to be able to walk right through security. Not.
- Brian Kantor, in the Monastery
Brian Kantor
>Now, I believe that the doctors
>recommend that she should remain moderately active, so that her body will
>better be able to withstand the considerable stress of giving birth.
Being good at running away from wolves could be conducive to survival of the race.
- Brian
Brian Kantor
>Sirens all day, flashing lights all night and large trucks going
>between the supermarket and the motorway at all hours.
No Med-Evac helicopters landing on the roof?
- Brian
Paul
> On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:05:12 +1100, TimC wrote:
>
>> let alone were born here (they went
>> around asking for our nationalities the other day, as well as
>> where we were born).
>
> If they tried that on me, they'd get a tad more information than
> the expected. How many adults do you know who can tell them the
> name of the hospital they were born in?
I could, thanks to my mother telling me often when I was a child.
The most recent time that it was a useful (FSVO) fact was when I was
signing papers so that the government would consider paying back some
of the funds it had been collecting in my name for about 40 years.
The government official with whom I was dealing mentioned that he had
also been born in that hospital. This seemed to be an odd
coincidence, since the hospital was not a local one to us now.
--
Paul the Legacy Server
Full Recovery reached May 30, 2008
"People can be educated beyond their intelligence"
-- Marilyn vos Savant
David Gersic
> I wonder whether Mike will consider the twerp worth a good flame.
I was wondering how Mike arranged for that convenient gas leak.
mikea
> On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 16:58:18 +0000 (UTC), Roger Burton West wrote:
>> Richard Gadsden wrote:
>>>Well, me, and I can complain that they renamed it after fscking
>>>Princess Diana as well.
>>
>> little unusual even in this modern and enlightened age.
>
> She really could do with a thorough storage check, though.
At this point in time, I suspect that enough bits have gone missing that
she's really not recoverable.
--
(about tornadoes) It doesn't sound like a train. It sounds like every
afterburning jet engine in the world running full-out at once, driving
an atomic wood chipper. It's a Live Thing, like Fire.
-- Charly the Bastard, in rec.org.sca
Alan J Rosenthal
land that I haven't been near since I was three years old, and I don't
remember anything there nor have any concept of its geography, what other
towns were adjacent, etc. I was born in a hospital in one town, and we
lived in a different (very-nearby) town, and I know the two town names but
can't even recall which is which at the moment -- which I was born in and
which we lived in. Let alone knowing the hospital name.
I know the names of the hospitals my two younger brothers were born in,
because we continue to live near them.
wol...@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) writes:
>I could find out from my birth certificate, I believe. (Although I
>might have to go to Virginia to track down the original -- the
>replcement they issued me is laser-printed and doesn't have all the
>information the original had.)
So you're saying that the computers-and-education luddites are right?
Laser-printing destroys information.
Garrett Wollman
Alan J Rosenthal <fl...@dgp.toronto.edu> wrote:
>wol...@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) writes:
>>I could find out from my birth certificate, I believe. (Although I
>>might have to go to Virginia to track down the original -- the
>>replcement they issued me is laser-printed and doesn't have all the
>>information the original had.)
>
>So you're saying that the computers-and-education luddites are right?
>Laser-printing destroys information.
No, I'm saying that the Virginia Department of Health couldn't be
bothered to key in all of the details from my original birth
certificate (which I wish I still had), or scan their copy (probably
from microform), so the "duplicate" that I have now isn't one. The
original one was typed on a preprinted form and signed by my mother's
attending physician.
-GAWollman
--
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wol...@bimajority.org| repeated, than the story of a large research program
Opinions not shared by| that impaled itself upon a false central assumption
my employers. | accepted by all practitioners? - S.J. Gould, 1993
Seebs
> No, I'm saying that the Virginia Department of Health couldn't be
> bothered to key in all of the details from my original birth
> certificate (which I wish I still had), or scan their copy (probably
> from microform), so the "duplicate" that I have now isn't one. The
> original one was typed on a preprinted form and signed by my mother's
> attending physician.
I think that's still a duplicate. The birth certificate isn't a piece
of paper, it's the certification itself.
If I go ask for a "duplicate" title for a vehicle, it doesn't mean I
want a photocopy of the original, it means I want a thing which is
*functionally* identical to the original. Same for any other formal
paperwork -- it's the abstraction, not the implementation, which
gets duplicated.
-s
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Ben A L Jemmett
> Richard Gadsden wrote:
> > Princess Diana as well.
>
> little unusual even in this modern and enlightened age.
Maybe it's a Centre of Excellence in dealing with traffic accidents?
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Tai
> On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:05:12 +1100, TimC wrote:
>
>> let alone were born here (they went
>> around asking for our nationalities the other day, as well as where we
>> were born).
>
> If they tried that on me, they'd get a tad more information than the
> expected. How many adults do you know who can tell them the name of the
> hospital they were born in?
I can tell you the floor I was on. The time. Don't remember
the doc's name. Why?
-Tai
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Shmuel Metz
at 05:01 AM, Seebs <usenet...@seebs.net> said:
>If I go ask for a "duplicate" title for a vehicle, it doesn't mean I want
>a photocopy of the original, it means I want a thing which is
>*functionally* identical to the original.
If it's lacking printed data that are present on the original then it
*isn't* functionally identical to the original.
Paul
> In <slrnhpe9sd.2qh...@guild.seebs.net>, on 03/10/2010
> at 05:01 AM, Seebs <usenet...@seebs.net> said:
>
>>If I go ask for a "duplicate" title for a vehicle, it doesn't mean
>>I want a photocopy of the original, it means I want a thing which
>>is *functionally* identical to the original.
>
> If it's lacking printed data that are present on the original then
> it *isn't* functionally identical to the original.
Sorry, those functions are not supported in the current version.
Feel free to file a bug report.
Seebs
> In <slrnhpe9sd.2qh...@guild.seebs.net>, on 03/10/2010
> at 05:01 AM, Seebs <usenet...@seebs.net> said:
>>If I go ask for a "duplicate" title for a vehicle, it doesn't mean I want
>>a photocopy of the original, it means I want a thing which is
>>*functionally* identical to the original.
> If it's lacking printed data that are present on the original then it
> *isn't* functionally identical to the original.
If it is acceptable for all the same legal purposes, it is. Most of the
data on older birth certificates are non-functional.
Or at least, for nearly all purposes for which one usually needs a birth
certificate, it's the same thing. There are specialized cases, such as trying
to argue with conspiracy theorists, where you may need to get someone to
photoshop up a copy of a birth certificate from a different country entirely
to keep things fun and exciting. :P
Kenneth Brody
> On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 21:46:10 +0100, Maarten Wiltink wrote:
>
>> "Joe Zeff"<the.guy.with....@lasfs.info> wrote in message
>> news:4b9541fe$0$31794$ec3e...@unlimited.usenetmonster.com...
[...]
>>> If they tried that on me, they'd get a tad more information than the
>>> expected. How many adults do you know who can tell them the name of
>>> the hospital they were born in?
>>
>> told us.
>
> Most people I've spoken with were astonished that Marcia and I know the
> hospital's name. Maybe it's just that we've only mentioned it to the
> wrong sort of person.
>
>> In true Rotterdam style, the hospital is no longer there.
>
> Rose Maternity Hospital in la.ca.us has been gone for decades.
Mount Sinai Hospital in nyc.ny.us has been there since 1852 and is still there.
uggc://ra.jvxvcrqvn.bet/jvxv/Zbhag_Fvanv_Ubfcvgny,_Arj_Lbex
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Kenneth Brody
>>>> expected. How many adults do you know who can tell them the name of
>>>> the hospital they were born in?
>
> for my birth tucked away in the safe deposit, but I don't remember the
> name of the hospital. I think I remember the bill was something like $29
> after Blue Cross.
I, too, have the bill for my birth as well, tucked into one of those baby
books where you record all sorts of things about the baby for (supposedly)
several years.
As I recall, the bill, including an 8 day (!) stay, was less than $100.
My daughter broke her arm a couple of years ago. The pre-insurance bill was
something like $3,000 and it was a simple fracture.
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Garrett Wollman
Kenneth Brody <kenb...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>My daughter broke her arm a couple of years ago. The pre-insurance bill was
>something like $3,000 and it was a simple fracture.
I don't think I've ever seen the bills for any of my hospitalizations.
In theory we're supposed to get these "explanation of benefits"
documents, but the only time I've ever seen them is when they rejected
a claim because my employer had failed to transmit my PCP election to
my (new) insurer. Not that I mind....
(My dental insurance, on the other hand, regularly sends me these
things to explain that they're only paying a small fraction of the
billed cost of a procedure -- or in some cases, not at all. We have
lousy dental insurance.)
Shmuel Metz
at 10:40 PM, Seebs <usenet...@seebs.net> said:
>If it is acceptable for all the same legal purposes, it is.
No, because you can use the data for purposes other than satisfying legal
requirements.
>There are specialized cases, such as trying
>to argue with conspiracy theorists,
Any evidence that appears to contradict their thesis is forged.
Seebs
> In <slrnhpisae.ba9...@guild.seebs.net>, on 03/11/2010
> at 10:40 PM, Seebs <usenet...@seebs.net> said:
>>If it is acceptable for all the same legal purposes, it is.
> No, because you can use the data for purposes other than satisfying legal
> requirements.
Perhaps. But I guess the key is: The entity providing the "duplicate"
doesn't care about those purposes.
Consider. I ask a program to "duplicate" a file. In fact, the resulting
file has the same readable/writable bytes as the original... But one of them
was stored in a sparse representation, and one has a ton of actually-allocated
disk blocks full of zeroes.
The new one is a "duplicate" because, *for the purposes of the file utility*,
it's the same thing.
If you get a document from an organization which exists to have records of
births, listing parents and date of birth and the like, and they omit
information other than the information they care about, it's a duplicate for
their purposes.
>>There are specialized cases, such as trying
>>to argue with conspiracy theorists,
> Any evidence that appears to contradict their thesis is forged.
I just really liked seeing the JPEG with the comment in the info fields
about how it was a photoshop getting distributed widely. That was an
awesome prank. I'm actually pretty happy with the more subtle prank,
just because it produced some of the most hilarious legal filings I've
ever read. (And I used to sue junk faxers, so I've seen some beauties.)
Richard Bos
> Michel <ab...@rubberchicken.nl> wrote in <riki67-...@rubberchicken.nocrap>:
> > On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 16:58:18 +0000 (UTC), Roger Burton West wrote:
> >> Richard Gadsden wrote:
> >>>Well, me, and I can complain that they renamed it after fscking
> >>>Princess Diana as well.
> >>
> >> It was a very popular activity, to be sure, but that strikes me as a
> >> little unusual even in this modern and enlightened age.
> >
> > She really could do with a thorough storage check, though.
>
> At this point in time, I suspect that enough bits have gone missing that
> she's really not recoverable.
Sometimes, bit rot is something to be grateful for.
Richard
Richard Bos
> Joe Zeff <the.guy.with....@lasfs.info> writes:
>
> > If they tried that on me, they'd get a tad more information than the
> > expected. How many adults do you know who can tell them the name of the
> > hospital they were born in?
>
> The hospital I was born in is just a few blocks away from where I am
> now. Well, actually in the last year or two they moved a lot of their
> facilities to a new building two or three miles away, but there's still
> an emergency room at the old facility.
I was born at home (still the usual case in the Netherlands), but if I
stand on my balcony I can see the hospital my sister was born in. Well,
I say hospital... it _was_ a hospital back then. Now it's a glorified
polyclinic.
Richard
Lawns 'R' Us
> In article <slrnhpb4e0...@gort.thesatya.com>,
> Satya wrote:
>> Ha, I ought to post a suitably-censored version of mine, for laughs.
>> Laser-printed my fanny.
>
> Be careful using that last word on this side of the pond. On the other
> hand, here a faggot is something offensive in the culinary sense only.
Since when is a bundle of sticks tied together offensive in the
culinary sense?
Steve VanDevender
Perhaps you ordered grilled asparagus.
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Seebs
> Lawns 'R' Us <nob...@nowhere.example.com> writes:
>> Since when is a bundle of sticks tied together offensive in the
>> culinary sense?
> Perhaps you ordered grilled asparagus.
http://www.seebs.net/log/articles/466/the-asparagus-letter
Peter Corlett
> On 2010-03-19, Paul Martin <p...@nowster.org.uk> wrote:
>> Be careful using that last word on this side of the pond. On the other
>> hand, here a faggot is something offensive in the culinary sense only.
> Since when is a bundle of sticks tied together offensive in the culinary
> sense?
The word also refers to a "meat" ball made out of the bits of animal
considered unfit even for British Sausages.
Athough for sheer food terror, you might not be able to beat the 99p pizza
one of my local grease emporiums is offering. I'm not sure how they can even
sell *bread* at that price, what with the scandalous Business Rates in this
borough[0].
[0] A couple of us priced it up when considering opening a decent boozer,
given that the competition is mainly overpriced piss barns. Figures of
£40-60k/year were coming back, quickly causing the plans to be scrapped.
So there won't be anywhere worth drinking in W12 any time soon.
John F. Eldredge
I wasn't aware there _were_ any bits of an animal considered unfit for
sausage, given that the sausage skins were customarily made from small
intestines (although including much of the bones would be hard on the
customers' teeth).
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Steve VanDevender
> On 2010-03-19, Steve VanDevender <ste...@hexadecimal.uoregon.edu> wrote:
>> Lawns 'R' Us <nob...@nowhere.example.com> writes:
>>> Since when is a bundle of sticks tied together offensive in the
>>> culinary sense?
>
>> Perhaps you ordered grilled asparagus.
>
> http://www.seebs.net/log/articles/466/the-asparagus-letter
I swear I was not consciously thinking of that when I posted my followup
. . . but I had read it some time before and on review see it even uses
the word "faggot" to describe a piece of asparagus. Yay subconscious!
Erwan David
>
> I wasn't aware there _were_ any bits of an animal considered unfit for
> sausage, given that the sausage skins were customarily made from small
> intestines (although including much of the bones would be hard on the
> customers' teeth).
And so what ? Take a look at french andouille, andouillette, tripes,
gras double, etc...
Those are made with diferent parts of the digestive system of pork...
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> Zebee
> - who has a whole 'nother rant about HP and their bloody ILO
> licencing regime. If I want to faff about on a bloody website with
> broken software and stupid forms and give you the same information
> 3 times on successive pages to have you reject it, I'll use our
> internal systems not yours you fungal life forms.
We solved that one by taking the "we paid for a licence, who cares
that we always use the same key" method.
But seriously, what's the point, they're too expensive not to use the
iLO, and then forcing you to buy more. At least they're better then Dell
(our disks and only our disks).
Richard Bos
> On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 00:29:40 +0000, Peter Corlett wrote:
>
> > The word also refers to a "meat" ball made out of the bits of animal
> > considered unfit even for British Sausages.
> I wasn't aware there _were_ any bits of an animal considered unfit for
> sausage, given that the sausage skins were customarily made from small
> intestines (although including much of the bones would be hard on the
> customers' teeth).
Given that intestines are made to safely contain fecal matter and can
readily be cleaned, they're not all that bad as long as they _have_ been
properly cleaned. There's worse. Brains, for example.
OTOH, Peter was talking about _British_ Sausages. The bits of animal not
considered fit to fill them are, in the rest of the world, usually
called "meat".
Richard
David Cantrell
> OTOH, Peter was talking about _British_ Sausages. The bits of animal not
> considered fit to fill them are, in the rest of the world, usually
> called "meat".
You appear to be confusing "sausages" and "stuff that idiots buy in the
stupormarket".
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Peter Corlett
> p...@nowster.org.uk (Paul Martin) wrote:
>> "Emulsified High-Fat Offal Tube"
> Uh... c) Pet names not to give your genitalia.
I suspect that depends on whether it's a chipolata or a black pudding.
Just zis Guy, you know?
<da...@cantrell.org.uk> wrote:
>You appear to be confusing "sausages" and "stuff that idiots buy in the
>stupormarket".
I suggest we adopt the Sheddi nomenclature of "horriblemarket"
instead.
Guy
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Richard Bos
> On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 03:53:47PM +0000, Richard Bos wrote:
>
> > OTOH, Peter was talking about _British_ Sausages. The bits of animal not
> > considered fit to fill them are, in the rest of the world, usually
> > called "meat".
>
> You appear to be confusing "sausages" and "stuff that idiots buy in the
> stupormarket".
No; those are British sausages, but not British Sausages.
Richard