Paint my Wif-Fi
Just zis Guy, you know?
"Security-conscious wireless users could block their neighbours from
being able to access their home network - without having to set up
encryption."
So instead of spending two minutes setting up encryption (5 if you're
going to restrict your AP to nominated MAC addresses) all you have to
do is repaint the entire house. I wonder why nobody thought of this
before?
Guy
--
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/
John F. Eldredge
Interesting how the article doesn't mention the fact that you would
either have to paint over the windows as well, or install grounded
metallic window screens, in order for the wi-fi blocking to be complete.
Also, I guess that the reporter had either never heard of the term
Faraday cage, or decided that it sounded too technical and would scare
off the readers.
I have a weather-forecast application on my cell phone that attempts to
determine where I am when the app starts up, using the phone's GPS, so
that the weather map can be centered over my current location. This
doesn't work at my office, due to the building having a metal roof, and
doesn't work at home, due to my house having a metallic-foil vapor
barrier in the attic. It does, of course, work if I am outdoors or in a
building without a significant amount of metal in the roof.
--
John F. Eldredge -- jo...@jfeldredge.com
"Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better
than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria
Alan J Rosenthal
>So instead of spending two minutes setting up encryption (5 if you're
>going to restrict your AP to nominated MAC addresses)
And how long if you're going to change the WEP protocol so that it takes more
than ten minutes for the WEP key to be derived by a script kiddie?
Just zis Guy, you know?
wrote:
>>So instead of spending two minutes setting up encryption (5 if you're
>>going to restrict your AP to nominated MAC addresses)
>And how long if you're going to change the WEP protocol so that it takes more
>than ten minutes for the WEP key to be derived by a script kiddie?
Probably still not as long as it would take to paint the house.
I use WPA2, I don't broadcast the SSID, I don't use the standard
channel, I have long keys and I only allow nominated MAC addresses to
connect. Configuring that took me very little time. The wireless
router also has built-in firewall functionality and I have some
segmentation of my home LAN. Anyone who can get past that lot was
probably going to get in anyway.
Obviously the wireless network at $ORK is much more secure, including
802.1x and trusted signed certificates. And AirMagnet, which is
always good for a laugh.
Guy
--
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/
Peter H. Coffin
> I have a weather-forecast application on my cell phone that attempts
> to determine where I am when the app starts up, using the phone's GPS,
> so that the weather map can be centered over my current location. This
> doesn't work at my office, due to the building having a metal roof,
> and doesn't work at home, due to my house having a metallic-foil vapor
> barrier in the attic. It does, of course, work if I am outdoors or in
> a building without a significant amount of metal in the roof.
If you're outside, I presume that you also automatically know what the
weather is like.
--
"I know it's a buzzword [...], but fsckit, 'Enterprise' editions of things
*should* come with the phasers and photon torpedos and all.
Of course, the first vendor freebie you'd get would be a red shirt..."
-- Anthony de Boer in the Monastery
John F. Eldredge
> On 17 Oct 2009 13:35:05 GMT, John F. Eldredge wrote:
>
>> I have a weather-forecast application on my cell phone that attempts to
>> determine where I am when the app starts up, using the phone's GPS, so
>> that the weather map can be centered over my current location. This
>> doesn't work at my office, due to the building having a metal roof, and
>> doesn't work at home, due to my house having a metallic-foil vapor
>> barrier in the attic. It does, of course, work if I am outdoors or in a
>> building without a significant amount of metal in the roof.
>
> If you're outside, I presume that you also automatically know what the
> weather is like.
Well, I know what the weather is currently like at the point where I
currently am. The weather app, however, also lets me know the forecast,
not to mention whether there is a big thunderstorm a few miles upwind of
me, due to dump on me shortly.
Alan J Rosenthal
>>than ten minutes for the WEP key to be derived by a script kiddie?
>
>Probably still not as long as it would take to paint the house.
>
>I use WPA2,
Ok, using WPA or WPA2 instead of WEP is an arguable reading of "change the
WEP protocol", although it's not the one I had in mind.
Gene Sullivan
> My next door neighbours are using WEP. I might get round to telling
> them eventually.
My neighbors are as well. If I say anything, though, they'll just
mark me as one who knows about stuff. Then they'll start asking
questions about how to fix things, and then I'll hate them just
like I hate everybody else. I just see it as free backup wifi in
case mine goes on the fritz.
--
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STATISTICS:
A system for expressing your political
prejudices in convincing scientific guise.
mrob...@worldnet.att.net
> Just zis Guy, you know? <guy.c...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8279549.stm
>
> "The paint contains an aluminium-iron oxide which resonates at the
> same frequency as wi-fi - or other radio waves."
Thermite paint?
Matt Roberds
Paul Colquhoun
| In article <3j9jd5d21el99lo11...@4ax.com>,
|>
|> "Security-conscious wireless users could block their neighbours from
|> being able to access their home network - without having to set up
|> encryption."
|
| frequency as wi-fi - or other radio waves."
They want you to paint your house with Thermite?!
| Sounds like the reporter got completely whooshed by the explanation of a
| Faraday cage. Either that, or the person selling the paint is a better
| bullshit artist than I thought.
|
| --Dave
--
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Asking for technical help in newsgroups? Read this first:
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Peter Corlett
[...]
> My neighbors are as well. If I say anything, though, they'll just mark me
> as one who knows about stuff. Then they'll start asking questions about
> how to fix things, and then I'll hate them just like I hate everybody
> else. I just see it as free backup wifi in case mine goes on the fritz.
When my wifi went on the fritz, I used this newfangled device called "a
cable" to connect my laptop to the router.
In fact, what with all the interference in London, I have to use the cable
anyway if I want to do anything more intensive than browsing the web, so it
took me three days to notice that the old AP had released its magic smoke.
mikea
> On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:22:48 +0900, Dave Brown <dagb...@LART.ca> wrote:
> | In article <3j9jd5d21el99lo11...@4ax.com>,
> | Just zis Guy, you know? <guy.c...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> |> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8279549.stm
> |>
> |> "Security-conscious wireless users could block their neighbours from
> |> being able to access their home network - without having to set up
> |> encryption."
> |
> | "The paint contains an aluminium-iron oxide which resonates at the same
> | frequency as wi-fi - or other radio waves."
>
>
> They want you to paint your house with Thermite?!
If it was good enough for the Hindenburg, then why should _you_ object?
--
VBScript is designed to be a secure programming environment. It
lacks various commands that can be potentially damaging if used in
a malicious manner. This added security is critical in enterprise
solutions. -- support.microsoft.com
Nomen Publicus
Wasn't the Hindenberg painted with something similar? That turned out
well...
>
> Matt Roberds
>
--
The sailor does not pray for wind, he learns to sail. -- Gustaf Lindborg
David Skinner
mrob...@worldnet.att.net says...
> > "The paint contains an aluminium-iron oxide which resonates at the
> > same frequency as wi-fi - or other radio waves."
>
> Thermite paint?
I heartily endorse this product and/or service.
TimC
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> Paul Martin <p...@nowster.org.uk> writes:
>> Also on WPA2-PSK at home.
>
> Oh, I am very neighbourly. I offer a completely open and unencrypted AP
> to the world.
>
> Of course, the connection goes nowhere at all, giving me plenty of
> chuckles when watching the DHCP logs. Have fun communicating with the
> wireless VLAN only.
Oh? You mean you don't run blurnet or upsidedownnet?
--
TimC
"I wish there was a knob on the TV to turn up the intelligence. There's a
knob called `brightness', but it doesn't work." -- Gallagher
mikea
> mrob...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>> Dave Brown <dagb...@lart.ca> wrote:
>>> Just zis Guy, you know? <guy.c...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8279549.stm
>>> "The paint contains an aluminium-iron oxide which resonates at the
>>> same frequency as wi-fi - or other radio waves."
>> Thermite paint?
> Wasn't the Hindenberg painted with something similar? That turned out
> well...
Yes, indeedy. Pretty silver stuff in a nice, though pretty flammable,
binder. That's what you see burning in the movie(s) of the Hindenburg
burning. Hydrogen burning in air or O2 is the next thing to invisible:
seen only in a quite dark room, and all that's visible is a very faint
blue to violet glow. BTDT.
--
"Today's robots are very primitive, capable of understanding only a few
simple instructions such as 'go left', 'go right', and 'build car'."
-- John Sladek
Dennis Davis
...
>I use WPA2, I don't broadcast the SSID, I don't use the standard
>channel, I have long keys and I only allow nominated MAC addresses to
>connect. Configuring that took me very little time. The wireless
Hmmm, the man page sez I type:
ifconfig ath0 lladdr ....
to change the MAC address of my Atheros-based wifi card.
That's your starter for ten ...
--
Dennis Davis, BUCS, University of Bath, Bath, BA2 7AY, UK
D.H....@bath.ac.uk
Brian Kantor
>My neighbors are as well. If I say anything, though, they'll just
>mark me as one who knows about stuff. Then they'll start asking
>questions about how to fix things, and then I'll hate them just
>like I hate everybody else. I just see it as free backup wifi in
>case mine goes on the fritz.
After they are asleep, using bright orange chalk, inscribe "INSECURE
WIRELESS ACCESS POINT HERE" and an arrow pointing to their house on the
sidewalk in front of it.
- Brian
Brian Kantor
It's made from thermite?
- Brian
Brian Kantor
>Oh, I am very neighbourly. I offer a completely open and unencrypted AP
>to the world.
Now that our campus is insisting that everyone using the wireless switch
over to WPA2 *authenticated by Active Directory*, there are a lot of
leftover access points (that can't do WPA2) sitting around.
Setting their SSIDs to various snarky strings might be an interesting
experiment. There's a lot that can be said in 32 characters, and those
characters don't have to be alphanum.
- Brian
mikea
s/chalk/paint/ if you think you can get away with it. Best not to have a
stencil made up, though it would make for neater results.
--
We're going to sift through the fake identities, we're going to
track through the fake corporations, we're going to find the
compromised accounts, and ultimately, we're going to locate you and
sue you. -- RANDALL BOE, AOL
mikea
>>"The paint contains an aluminium-iron oxide ...
>
> It's made from thermite?
The proportions aren't stated; it might or might not be. Al powder does
burn pretty vigorously IME, and so (vide sparklers!) does Fe powder, but
the proportions for Thermite are pretty specific IIRC. If the binder also
is flammable, It Could Get Very Interesting. If the mixture is in fact in
the Thermite range, then the binder and damn near everything else in the
house is flammable, and most probably the local FD will just hose down the
nearby structures and plants and watch things go up.
--
Unsubscribing from a mailing list you subscribed to is a basic IQ
test for Internet users.
-- Author unknown, seen on the PCR-1000 list
Kenneth Brody
> Paul Martin <p...@nowster.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> My next door neighbours are using WEP. I might get round to telling
>> them eventually.
>
> My neighbors are as well. If I say anything, though, they'll just
> mark me as one who knows about stuff. Then they'll start asking
> questions about how to fix things, and then I'll hate them just
> like I hate everybody else.
Our neighbors use an unencrypted WAP with an SSID of "linksys" and the
default admin password.
> I just see it as free backup wifi in case mine goes on the fritz.
"Ditto."
--
Kenneth Brody
Just zis Guy, you know?
wrote:
>In the referenced article, "Just zis Guy, you know?" <guy.c...@spamcop.net> writes:
>
>...
>
>>I use WPA2, I don't broadcast the SSID, I don't use the standard
>>channel, I have long keys and I only allow nominated MAC addresses to
>>connect. Configuring that took me very little time. The wireless
>Hmmm, the man page sez I type:
>ifconfig ath0 lladdr ....
>to change the MAC address of my Atheros-based wifi card.
>That's your starter for ten ...
OK, so come to my house, work out my SSID and keys, spoof my MAC
address and connect to my network. You do have my MAC address, don't
you? Or you could connect to next door's completely unsecured network
instead.
Guy
--
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/
Just zis Guy, you know?
<kenb...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>Our neighbors use an unencrypted WAP with an SSID of "linksys" and the
>default admin password.
I found one of they, logged in to the interface, picked up the email
address from their ISP login and sent them a friendly email telling
them they were rather inviting the unwelcome attentions of bored
yoofer.
I fancy I heard the shriek of alarm from several houses away.
Guy
--
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/
Mark Huizer
> Our neighbors use an unencrypted WAP with an SSID of "linksys" and the
> default admin password.
And since you, as a real sysadmin can't stand the thought of such an
insecure thingie, you have by now changed those baaaaaad settings,
right? Keeping your neighbors on a need to know basis of course, since
all that knowledge might just hurt their poor luser heads.
Mark
SteveD
<tcon...@no.spam.accepted.here-astro.swin.edu.au> wrote:
>Oh? You mean you don't run blurnet or upsidedownnet?
Could be an issue on metered lines. On the other hand, diverting all
non-text requests to a local cache of Goatsenet...
-SteveD
Lionel
> In the referenced article, "Just zis Guy, you know?" <guy.c...@spamcop.net> writes:
>
>
>> I use WPA2, I don't broadcast the SSID, I don't use the standard
>> channel, I have long keys and I only allow nominated MAC addresses to
>> connect. Configuring that took me very little time. The wireless
>
> Hmmm, the man page sez I type:
>
> ifconfig ath0 lladdr ....
>
> to change the MAC address of my Atheros-based wifi card.
Sure, but you still have to figure out /which/ MAC address to spoof.
--
W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------
Lionel
Could be interesting if they ever have a fire.
Lionel
> mrob...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>> Dave Brown <dagb...@lart.ca> wrote:
>>> Just zis Guy, you know? <guy.c...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8279549.stm
>>> "The paint contains an aluminium-iron oxide which resonates at the
>>> same frequency as wi-fi - or other radio waves."
>> Thermite paint?
>
> Wasn't the Hindenberg painted with something similar? That turned out
> well...
Myth Busters did a fun episode on that topic.
TimC
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
>
> Fraug0UtyubopShynLiviavNovTeipsEubragMiwajnitLevlicCeytVietoij5
>
> (I've traded a bit of the keyspace in exchange for being able to read
> the ruddy thing out to a family member when they're typing it in.)
How do you pronounce it?
--
TimC
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little
Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
-- Attributed to Benjamin Franklin, 1760
Maarten Wiltink
news:125601688...@hexane.ssi.swin.edu.au...
> On 2009-10-20, Paul Martin (aka Bruce)
> was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
>> My key came from "apg -m63 -a0". Something like:
>>
>> Fraug0UtyubopShynLiviavNovTeipsEubragMiwajnitLevlicCeytVietoij5
>>
>> (I've traded a bit of the keyspace in exchange for being able to read
>> the ruddy thing out to a family member when they're typing it in.)
>
> How do you pronounce it?
"Capital-f; r, a, u, g, zero, Capital-u, t, y, u, b, o, p, Capital-s;
h, y, n, Capital-l; i, v, i, a, v, Capital-n; o, v, Capital-t; e, i,
p, s, Capital-e; u, b, r, a, g, Capital-m; i, w, a, j, n, i, t,
Capital-l; e, v, l, i, c, Capital-c; e, y, t, Capital-v; i, e, t, o,
i, j, five."
"Capital-f; r, a, u, g, zero, Capital-u, t, y, u, b, o, p, Capital-s;
h, y, n, Capital-l; i, v, i, a, v, Capital-n; o, v, Capital-t; e, i,
p, s, Capital-e; u, b, r, a, g, Capital-m; i, w, a, j, n, i, t,
Capital-l; e, v, l, i, c, Capital-c; e, y, t, Capital-v; i, e, t, o,
i, j, five."
"CAPITAL F. R; A; U; G. ZERO. CAPITAL U. T; Y; U; B; O; P. CAPITAL S.
H; Y; N. CAPITAL L. I; V; I; A; V. CAPITAL N. O; V. CAPITAL T. E; I;
P; S. CAPITAL E. U; B; R; A; G. CAPITAL M. I; W; A; J; N; I; T.
CAPITAL L. E; V; L; I; C. CAPITAL C. E; Y; T. CAPITAL V. I; E; T; O;
I; J. FIVE."
"I'll mail it to you."
Tebrgwrf,
Maarten Wiltink
David Skinner
says...
> Oh, I am very neighbourly. I offer a completely open and unencrypted AP
> to the world.
>
> Of course, the connection goes nowhere at all, giving me plenty of
> chuckles when watching the DHCP logs. Have fun communicating with the
> wireless VLAN only.
We have something similar at Ork.
Years ago we had a, largely unsuccessful, data link between three sites.
It was 802.11b running over a few miles, using a local block of flats as
a relaying point.
The link was never very good - it was sold to us as and installed by a
bunch of cowboys who we quickly learned to never work with again. We
stopped using it entirely after a few months and disconnected the kit at
our sites.
... Except the three antennas and associated routing stuff on top of the
block of flats - we can't take those down as none of our staff are
insured to work on a roof, and we don't want to pay someone else to do
it. They're still powered-up. Still running WEP encryption. Still
announcing to a wide geographical area, that they are variously
"college", "library" and "artcoll".
I wonder how many h4x0rs have delightedly broken into them, only to find
absolutely nothing connected to them.
Maarten Wiltink
news:MPG.25479c9a6...@news.individual.net...
> [...] Except the three antennas and associated routing stuff on top
> of the block of flats - we can't take those down as none of our staff
> are insured to work on a roof, and we don't want to pay someone else
> to do it. They're still powered-up. ...
There's something wrong here. I know electricity is cheap, but it's
still *wrong*.
> I wonder how many h4x0rs have delightedly broken into them, only to
> find absolutely nothing connected to them.
Instant party line!
Tebrgwrf,
Maarten Wiltink
mikea
> On 2009-10-20, TimC <tcon...@no.spam.accepted.here-astro.swin.edu.au> wrote:
>> On 2009-10-20, Paul Martin (aka Bruce)
>> was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
>>> My key came from "apg -m63 -a0". Something like:
>>>
>>> Fraug0UtyubopShynLiviavNovTeipsEubragMiwajnitLevlicCeytVietoij5
>>>
>>> (I've traded a bit of the keyspace in exchange for being able to read
>>> the ruddy thing out to a family member when they're typing it in.)
>>
>> How do you pronounce it?
>
No, no! It may look somewhat like "Zaustinski"[1], but it's pronounced
"Smith".
[1] Well, OK, not much, but still ... .
--
Lots of couples say, "We want a baby."
I never heard one say, "We want a teen-ager."
-- Ruth Moore, private communication
Joe Zeff
> Yes, I use an obfuscated version of a phrase which uses nonsense words
> not in any dictionary.
I divide passwords into two classes: those that guard something important
(banking info, email accounts, personal stuph, accounts on machines) and
those that don't. (accounts on websites, mostly) Those in the first
class are strong and varied. Those in the second class are, for the most
part[0], all the same: a word I know that you won't find in any
dictionary because it doesn't have a definition, being an obscure
"dofor"[1] word coming from a small subculture I belong to.
[0]Except, of course, on sites that require longer passwords or insist on
non-alphabetic characters. Why people do that[3] on sites where the only
point of a password is to "prove" that you're the one making a specific
comment is something I don't understand.
[1]That is, it will "do for" the word you need but can't remember. The
term itself comes from a movie so old that it was used and defined by
Lucile Ball before she went to television.
[3]Except, of course, because they can.
--
Joe Zeff -- The Guy With The Sideburns:
http://www.zeff.us http://www.lasfs.info
Frankly, I expected better than straw men and stupidity from the
inhabitants of this group. I guess I won't make that mistake again.
Just zis Guy, you know?
<the.guy.with....@lasfs.info> wrote:
>Except, of course, on sites that require longer passwords or insist on
>non-alphabetic characters. Why people do that[3] on sites where the only
>point of a password is to "prove" that you're the one making a specific
>comment is something I don't understand.
More puzzling to me: some sites I use where they refuse to accept any
password with non-alphanumeric characters, and won't allow a password
more than 8 characters long. This looks like they fed normal password
advice through a NOT gate.
Guy
--
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/
Steve VanDevender
I encountered a wacky password rule yesterday:
"Must not end with the letter y."
WHAT. THE. HELL.
--
Steve VanDevender "I ride the big iron" http://hexadecimal.uoregon.edu/
ste...@hexadecimal.uoregon.edu PGP keyprint 4AD7AF61F0B9DE87 522902969C0A7EE8
"bash awk grep perl sed df du, du-du du-du,
vi troff su fsck rm * halt LART LART LART!" -- the Swedish BOFH
SteveD
<ste...@hexadecimal.uoregon.edu> wrote:
>I encountered a wacky password rule yesterday:
>
>"Must not end with the letter y."
>
>WHAT. THE. HELL.
"I have a different password for every day of the week."
David Cameron Staples
FPA: "I have a different swearword for every day of the week."
--
David Cameron Staples | staples AT unimelb DOT edu DOT au
Melbourne University | School of Engineering | IT Support
Come on. You know that you want to die in a way that inspires people
to invent new, flaming drinks. -- bash.org/?79778
mikea
> in Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:43:36 +0800, SteveD in hic loco scripsit:
>
>> On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:29:20 -0700, Steve VanDevender
>> <ste...@hexadecimal.uoregon.edu> wrote:
>>
>>>I encountered a wacky password rule yesterday:
>>>
>>>"Must not end with the letter y."
>>>
>>>WHAT. THE. HELL.
>>
>> "I have a different password for every day of the week."
>
> FPA: "I have a different swearword for every day of the week."
That, too. Only I have many more than just one. I tend to use most of
them on a daily basis. Comes of working with en-juh-nears.
--
MARACAS? I DON'T NEED ... MARACAS.
Kenneth Brody
> On 2009-10-20, Paul Martin (aka Bruce)
> was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
>> My key came from "apg -m63 -a0". Something like:
>>
>> Fraug0UtyubopShynLiviavNovTeipsEubragMiwajnitLevlicCeytVietoij5
>>
>> (I've traded a bit of the keyspace in exchange for being able to read
>> the ruddy thing out to a family member when they're typing it in.)
>
> How do you pronounce it?
>
"Throatwobbler Mangrove".
--
Kenneth Brody
Kenneth Brody
[...]
> I encountered a wacky password rule yesterday:
>
> "Must not end with the letter y."
>
> WHAT. THE. HELL.
uggc://gurqnvyljgs.pbz/Negvpyrf/Zvaq-Lbhe-Df-naq-Mf.nfck#Cvp2
uggc://vzt.gurqnvyljgs.pbz/vzntrf/200910/ree1/PnyyCvybgZrffntr.wct
--
Kenneth Brody
Graham Reed
> "I'll mail it to you."
Or, in my case, "That's why I mailed it to you."
"But I didn't save the e-mail to my desktop."
"That's why I'm now holding out an Ethernet cable to you."
*facepalm*
But all the friends I have who are allowed to use my WiFi also will
accept capital-Whiskey, capital-Tango, capital-Foxtrot, and so on.
Without typing "capital whiskey capital tango capital foxtrot".
(What is with people--on tech support no less--who can't deal with
phonetic spelling unless you do "a as in alpha" for every fricking
letter?!)
--
Never attribute to drunkeness that which can be adequately explained by
stupidity.
-- David G. in the Monastery (and many others)
Richard Gadsden
> * Just zis Guy, you know? <guy.c...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>> More puzzling to me: some sites I use where they refuse to accept any
>> password with non-alphanumeric characters
>
> SQL injection attacks but are insufficiently clueful to figure out when
> they're over-egging it. (Is there some "best practice" advice being
> peddled to webdevs somewhere which says that you can cure all ills by
> just blanket-rejecting non-alnums? You're fixing the wrong problem...)
>
>> and won't allow a password more than 8 characters long.
>
> assumptions somewhere. (Fixed size column for the unhashed password?
> Stranger things have happened.)
More likely, someone in management says that people can't remember
passwords longer than 8 characters.
> Don't get me started on web sites that swear blindly that + is not a
> valid character in the local part of an email address, or that accept
> an email address and silently truncate it to whatever field length they
> had put into their db "because nobody will ever have an email address
> longer than 40 characters, right?" *spit*
...or can't cope with an email address with a TLD longer three characters.
--
Richard Gadsden ric...@gadsden.name
"I disagree with what you say but I will defend to
the death your right to say it" - Attributed to Voltaire
mikea
> Ross Younger wrote:
>> * Just zis Guy, you know? <guy.c...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>>> More puzzling to me: some sites I use where they refuse to accept any
>>> password with non-alphanumeric characters
>>
>> This one I can understand, supposing that a number of sites have heard of
>> SQL injection attacks but are insufficiently clueful to figure out when
>> they're over-egging it. (Is there some "best practice" advice being
>> peddled to webdevs somewhere which says that you can cure all ills by
>> just blanket-rejecting non-alnums? You're fixing the wrong problem...)
>>
>>> and won't allow a password more than 8 characters long.
>>
>> But that one is just plain daft. I would guess lazy coding or incorrect
>> assumptions somewhere. (Fixed size column for the unhashed password?
>> Stranger things have happened.)
>
> More likely, someone in management says that people can't remember
> passwords longer than 8 characters.
Because one of the in-flight magazines he read last week said so.
>> Don't get me started on web sites that swear blindly that + is not a
>> valid character in the local part of an email address, or that accept
>> an email address and silently truncate it to whatever field length they
>> had put into their db "because nobody will ever have an email address
>> longer than 40 characters, right?" *spit*
>
> ...or can't cope with an email address with a TLD longer three characters.
Once we exhaust these simple rants, I have a few more. This little
problem:
misconfigured-ISP.TLD. 172800 IN NS ns1.misconfigured-ISP.TLD.
misconfigured-ISP.TLD. 172800 IN NS ns2.misconfigured-ISP.TLD.
;; Received 98 bytes from 192.43.172.30#53(i.gtld-servers.net) in 211 ms
misconfigured-ISP.TLD. 36854 IN NS ns1.misconfigured-ISP.TLD.
misconfigured-ISP.TLD. 36854 IN NS ns2.misconfigured-ISP.TLD.
;; BAD (HORIZONTAL) REFERRAL
;; Received 82 bytes from misconfigured-ISP-address-1#53(ns2.misconfigured-ISP.TLD) in 55 ms
misconfigured-ISP.TLD. 36854 IN NS ns2.misconfigured-ISP.TLD.
misconfigured-ISP.TLD. 36854 IN NS ns1.misconfigured-ISP.TLD.
;; BAD (HORIZONTAL) REFERRAL
;; Received 82 bytes from misconfigured-ISP-address-1#53(ns2.misconfigured-ISP.TLD) in 57 ms
misconfigured-ISP.TLD. 36854 IN NS ns2.misconfigured-ISP.TLD.
misconfigured-ISP.TLD. 36854 IN NS ns1.misconfigured-ISP.TLD.
;; BAD (HORIZONTAL) REFERRAL
;; Received 82 bytes from misconfigured-ISP-address-1#53(ns2.misconfigured-ISP.TLD) in 52 ms
misconfigured-ISP.TLD. 86400 IN A misconfigured-ISP-address
misconfigured-ISP.TLD. 86400 IN NS ns2.misconfigured-ISP.TLD.
misconfigured-ISP.TLD. 86400 IN NS ns1.misconfigured-ISP.TLD.
;; Received 98 bytes from misconfigured-ISP-address-2#53(ns1.misconfigured-ISP.TLD) in 53 ms
is Getting In The Way of some things I need to do. The tech contact's email
swerver is under those nameservers. A phone call at 0845 got me an "Our
office hours are 0800 to 1700" recording.
--
That's why I love VoIP. You don't get people phoning up to complain that the
network is down.
-- Peter Corlett, in the Monastery
G. Paul Ziemba
>Don't get me started on web sites that swear blindly that + is not a
>valid character in the local part of an email address, or that accept
>an email address and silently truncate it to whatever field length they
>had put into their db "because nobody will ever have an email address
>longer than 40 characters, right?" *spit*
Ah, password and email address clue scarcity, where to begin...
The .us SSA BSO site (where businesses go to file wage/witholding
reports) probably still expires passwords after 364 or 365 days.
Many, MANY small business owners need to make these filings only
once a year after year-end closing.
I've suggested to the site that they make the expiration period
1 year + 30 days so that the millions of such users can put it on
their calendars FOR THE SAME DAY EACH YEAR and do both their filing
and password updating in the same session, but I guess that would
be too logical.
It was this site or possibly the .us FCC's site which radio
licensees use to renew their licenses that refused to accept
an email address ending in ".us". Apparently their validation
code thinks all email addresses are supposed to end in ".com",
".edu", or ".org".
And finally, an organization I am affiliated with operates a site
where people can register to attend events held in various geographic
regions. Different events have different registration coordinators,
and the site sends an email to the appropriate coordinator containing
each registration form submission.
So far so good. However, instead of using an envelope-from address
such as "regist...@foo.bar", the site software apparently uses
the email address entered by the registrant. The person maintaining
the site wouldn't concede that forging sender addresses this way would
result in dropped emails. "It works for everybody else."
--
G. Paul Ziemba
FreeBSD unix:
9:36AM up 70 days, 52 mins, 27 users, load averages: 0.65, 0.38, 0.28
Joe Zeff
> A phone call at 0845 got me an "Our
> office hours are 0800 to 1700" recording.
During those hours, I presume.
--
Joe Zeff -- The Guy With The Sideburns:
http://www.zeff.us http://www.lasfs.info
Never Underestimate The Bandwidth Of A Bunch Of Programmers Running Away
Screaming.
mikea
> On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:13:37 -0500, mikea wrote:
>
>> A phone call at 0845 got me an "Our
>> office hours are 0800 to 1700" recording.
>
> During those hours, I presume.
Re-read the sentence, please, Joe. ;=)
For avoidance of doubt, I'll amend it slightly:
A phone call at 0845 today (Thursday) got me an "Our office hours are
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
0800 to 1700 weekdays" recording.
^^^^^^^^
But at least the DNS appears to be de-b0rk3n right now, which indicates
that someone listened to, and acted on, a complaint similar to mine.
That's OK: we now have a stack of about 100 outbound messages for a
single mailswerver in the SE corner of the state that serves all the
public libraries in that area. All from one notice of public meeting.
I called their HellDesk; they were unaware the swerver was down. They
referred me to the IT folks, in a totally different area code, though
still in the same state. They were unaware that the swerver was down,
though they're not surprised: the hardware got to behaving like mom's
pie crust, and from what they tell me, we all can expect to see nasal
daemons any time now.
--
Congress is stiffening the law, and the President has said he
will sign it. Now white-collar criminals will not go to jail for
10 years, where earlier they didn't go to jail for only 5 years.
Kenneth Brody
[...]
> Don't get me started on web sites that swear blindly that + is not a
> valid character in the local part of an email address, or that accept
> an email address and silently truncate it to whatever field length they
> had put into their db "because nobody will ever have an email address
> longer than 40 characters, right?" *spit*
Or worse --- accept "+" on the signup page, but claim it's "invalid" on the
login page.
BTDT, just the other day, on WrgOyhr'f erjneqf cebtenz.
(And no, I don't know why I rotted the above.)
--
Kenneth Brody
John Clear
Kenneth Brody <kenb...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>
>BTDT, just the other day, on WrgOyhr'f erjneqf cebtenz.
>
WrgOyhr has other stupid issues like that on their website. They
fly to many international destinations, but their website is unable
to handle addresses outside the US. I fly them regularly, and
thankfully their flying ability is better then their webdev skills.
John
--
John Clear - j...@panix.com http://www.clear-prop.org/
Maarten Wiltink
news:g_idneZ-DNFh8n3X...@giganews.com...
> Ross Younger wrote:
[...]
>> Don't get me started on web sites that swear blindly that + is not a
>> valid character in the local part of an email address, or that accept
>> an email address and silently truncate it to whatever field length
>> they had put into their db "because nobody will ever have an email
>> address longer than 40 characters, right?" *spit*
>
> ...or can't cope with an email address with a TLD longer three
> characters.
Or more than one dot after the at.
Tebrgwrf,
Maarten Wiltink
Kevin Goebel
<paul+...@w6yx.stanford.edu> wrote:
>Ross Younger <new...@crazyscot.com> writes:
>>Don't get me started on web sites that swear blindly that + is not a
>>valid character in the local part of an email address, or that accept
>>an email address and silently truncate it to whatever field length they
>>had put into their db "because nobody will ever have an email address
>>longer than 40 characters, right?" *spit*
>Ah, password and email address clue scarcity, where to begin...
>The .us SSA BSO site (where businesses go to file wage/witholding
>reports) probably still expires passwords after 364 or 365 days.
>Many, MANY small business owners need to make these filings only
>once a year after year-end closing.
>I've suggested to the site that they make the expiration period
>1 year + 30 days so that the millions of such users can put it on
>their calendars FOR THE SAME DAY EACH YEAR and do both their filing
>and password updating in the same session, but I guess that would
>be too logical.
>It was this site or possibly the .us FCC's site which radio
>licensees use to renew their licenses that refused to accept
>an email address ending in ".us". Apparently their validation
>code thinks all email addresses are supposed to end in ".com",
>".edu", or ".org".
That's just .net right.
Kevin Goebel
Lionel
> On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:36:35 +0000 (UTC), G. Paul Ziemba wrote:
>> It was this site or possibly the .us FCC's site which radio
>> licensees use to renew their licenses that refused to accept
>> an email address ending in ".us". Apparently their validation
>> code thinks all email addresses are supposed to end in ".com",
>> ".edu", or ".org".
>
> accept my registration from my vanity domain because it wasn't an ISP domain.
I would argue that (for you, at least), that's a feature, not a bug.
--
W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------
mrob...@worldnet.att.net
> They were unaware that the swerver was down, though they're not
> surprised: the hardware got to behaving like mom's pie crust, and
> from what they tell me, we all can expect to see nasal daemons any
> time now.
I think they're feeding you a line about the swerver. Probably they
pawned it, either to pay a speeding ticket in Stringtown, Kiowa, or
Atoka, or to go to the casino in Durant.
Matt Roberds
Shmuel Metz
at 04:36 PM, "G. Paul Ziemba" <paul+...@w6yx.stanford.edu> said:
>"It works for everybody else."
Is that anything like "You're the only customer that requestrd this"?
Google for "bedbug letter".
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <http://patriot.net/~shmuel> ISO position
Reply to domain Patriot dot net user shmuel+bspfh to contact me.
We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress.
(S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003)
Shmuel Metz
>>Ross Younger <new...@crazyscot.com> writes:
Keep your nose to the .mil grindstone.
Kenneth Brody
> In <1cb2e5ddh6sq4ev78...@4ax.com>, on 10/22/2009
> at 11:16 PM, Kevin Goebel <kevi...@kevingoebel.com> said:
>
>> On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:36:35 +0000 (UTC), "G. Paul Ziemba"
>> <paul+...@w6yx.stanford.edu> wrote:
>>> Ross Younger <new...@crazyscot.com> writes:
>>> It was this site or possibly the .us FCC's site which radio
>>> licensees use to renew their licenses that refused to accept
>>> an email address ending in ".us". Apparently their validation
>>> code thinks all email addresses are supposed to end in ".com",
>>> ".edu", or ".org".
>
>> That's just .net right.
>
> Keep your nose to the .mil grindstone.
<mode accent="British" type="cheap_immitation">
Right'o, .gov'ner
</mode>
--
Kenneth Brody
Jim
> (and don't get me
> started on MSSQL "replication", which I am certain was funded in
> development by an evil cabal of major telcos).
Aaaaaargh! Aaaaaaaaaargh! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGH!
Garrett Wollman
Satya <sat...@satyaonline.cjb.net> wrote:
>On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:45:26 +0100, Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
>> development by an evil cabal of major telcos). It's like all those
>> firms who bought Exchange instead of a mail server because the CEO's
>> teenage son thinks Outlook is k3wl. We have four cabinets of kit and
>
>No, it's because they want calendaring.
>
>I Am Not Making This Up. <blink>This is what CIOs actually believe</blink>
'Strewth. Even here, in a place where people used to be expected to
know better.
-GAWollman
--
Garrett A. Wollman | What intellectual phenomenon can be older, or more oft
wol...@bimajority.org| repeated, than the story of a large research program
Opinions not shared by| that impaled itself upon a false central assumption
my employers. | accepted by all practitioners? - S.J. Gould, 1993
Alan J Rosenthal
>More likely, someone in management says that people can't remember
>passwords longer than 8 characters.
That person in management is, of course, wrong.
We all know that most people can't remember passwords longer than zero
characters.
Or, in fact, zero-character passwords either. How many times have your users
forgot the instruction "just press return"?
Robert Uhl
>
>> I always wonder why companies (including mine) invest so heavily in
>> c-sharp / asp / MSSQL when it sucks so horribly (and don't get me
>> started on MSSQL "replication", which I am certain was funded in
>> firms who bought Exchange instead of a mail server because the CEO's
>> teenage son thinks Outlook is k3wl. We have four cabinets of kit and
>
> No, it's because they want calendaring.
>
> I Am Not Making This Up. <blink>This is what CIOs actually believe</blink>
>
> telling the same set of people that I'm on leave again today??).
I wonder why it is that something like RFC 4324 didn't originate back in
the 1980s. The world now would probably be a lot better if it had...
But in general any Internet thing that was developed after the world at
large discovered the 'net would probably be a lot better if it had been
developed beforehand.
--
Robert A. Uhl
Zsh's all very well, but the inventory management is pretty painful, and
there are some serious bugs that can stop you revisting partially explored
levels. --David Damerell
Brian Kantor
>WrgOyhr has other stupid issues like that on their website. They
>fly to many international destinations, but their website is unable
>to handle addresses outside the US. I fly them regularly, and
>thankfully their flying ability is better then their webdev skills.
"Heh. I was on a development team about five years ago - we were all
cowboys. On of the VP's asked during a demo "would you get in a plane
this team wrote the software for?" Our web guy said "absolutely"
After the meeting, the PM asked him about his answer - "hey, if we
wrote the software for the plane, it would never get off the ground."
- Philo
http://discuss.fogcreek.com/joelonsoftware5/default.asp?cmd=show&ixPost=148633&ixReplies=24
Nomen Publicus
But my keyboard doesn't have a key labelled "return"[*]
[*] Really, it doesn't, it's got a kind of broken left arrow thingy.
--
Atheism: Godless, not believing in the existence of gods.
Nomen Publicus
> Satya <sat...@satyaonline.cjb.net> writes:
>>
>>> I always wonder why companies (including mine) invest so heavily in
>>> c-sharp / asp / MSSQL when it sucks so horribly (and don't get me
>>> started on MSSQL "replication", which I am certain was funded in
>>> development by an evil cabal of major telcos). It's like all those
>>> firms who bought Exchange instead of a mail server because the CEO's
>>> teenage son thinks Outlook is k3wl. We have four cabinets of kit and
>>
>> No, it's because they want calendaring.
>>
>> I Am Not Making This Up. <blink>This is what CIOs actually believe</blink>
>>
>> Even though the calendaring sucks ass (I have to do how many steps to keep
>> telling the same set of people that I'm on leave again today??).
>
> I wonder why it is that something like RFC 4324 didn't originate back in
> the 1980s. The world now would probably be a lot better if it had...
>
> But in general any Internet thing that was developed after the world at
> large discovered the 'net would probably be a lot better if it had been
> developed beforehand.
>
``ALGOL 66,'' said C.A.R. Hoare, ``was a great advance over its
successors.''
--
The sailor does not pray for wind, he learns to sail. -- Gustaf Lindborg
Nomen Publicus
<possibly apocryphal>
When I worked for a defence company it was said that the programmers of the
terrain following software got a compulsory free ride in the back of the
fighter-bomber[0] aeroplane they were working on.
</possibly apocryphal>
[0] I could tell you about etc etc but I would then have to etc etc.
Peter H. Coffin
> Satya <sat...@satyaonline.cjb.net> writes:
>>
>>> I always wonder why companies (including mine) invest so heavily in
>>> c-sharp / asp / MSSQL when it sucks so horribly (and don't get me
>>> started on MSSQL "replication", which I am certain was funded in
>>> development by an evil cabal of major telcos). It's like all those
>>> firms who bought Exchange instead of a mail server because the CEO's
>>> teenage son thinks Outlook is k3wl. We have four cabinets of kit and
>>
>> No, it's because they want calendaring.
>>
>> I Am Not Making This Up. <blink>This is what CIOs actually believe</blink>
>>
>> Even though the calendaring sucks ass (I have to do how many steps to keep
>> telling the same set of people that I'm on leave again today??).
>
> I wonder why it is that something like RFC 4324 didn't originate back in
> the 1980s. The world now would probably be a lot better if it had...
>
> But in general any Internet thing that was developed after the world at
> large discovered the 'net would probably be a lot better if it had been
> developed beforehand.
ISTR BssvprIvfvba did calendaring in ... well, it had it when I first
got an ID on such a system in 1992. (I'm sure it's older than that, but
it's at least before 1993...)
--
84. I will not have captives of one sex guarded by members of the opposite sex.
--Peter Anspach's list of things to do as an Evil Overlord
mikea
> ISTR BssvprIvfvba did calendaring in ... well, it had it when I first
> got an ID on such a system in 1992. (I'm sure it's older than that, but
> it's at least before 1993...)
While in almost every other way the EMC2 E-mail and calendaring system
sucked entire universes through buckytubes, it had a very good and very
effective calendaring system. That is the only piece of it that I miss.
--
Any research done on how to efficiently use computers has been long lost
in the mad rush to upgrade systems to do things that aren't needed by
people who don't understand what they are really supposed to do with
them. -- Graham Reed, in a.s.r.
Peter Corlett
[...]
> While in almost every other way the EMC2 E-mail and calendaring system
> sucked entire universes through buckytubes, it had a very good and very
> effective calendaring system. That is the only piece of it that I miss.
Calendaring is the only thing that actually works (FSVO "works") in the
whole Exchange/Outlook ecosystem. So you can always install the Microsoft
versions if you are getting nostalgic.
David Taylor
As long as no timezones, or $DEITY-forbid, DST changes, are involved.
--
David Taylor
Zebee Johnstone
Mine's got the broken left arrow thingy and some bits of letters which
I think said "Enter" a long time ago.
Judging by my keyboard the most common letters in the English language
are a n and m with l and s coming close.
Zebee
Steve VanDevender
> Kevin Goebel <kevi...@kevingoebel.com> writes:
>
> <A one-line reply to a whole post>
>
> *BLAM*.
>
> *DAKKA*-*DAKKA*-*DAKKA*-*DAKKA*-*DAKKA*-*DAKKA*-*click*.
Don't forget to flame Shmuel now too.
--
Steve VanDevender "I ride the big iron" http://hexadecimal.uoregon.edu/
ste...@hexadecimal.uoregon.edu PGP keyprint 4AD7AF61F0B9DE87 522902969C0A7EE8
"bash awk grep perl sed df du, du-du du-du,
vi troff su fsck rm * halt LART LART LART!" -- the Swedish BOFH
Paul
news:slrnhe427r.ck...@outcold.yadt.co.uk:
You just reminded me of one of my best retirement benefits.
--
Paul the Legacy Server
Full Recovery reached May 30, 2008
"People can be educated beyond their intelligence"
-- Marilyn vos Savant
John F. Eldredge
I was somewhat bemused by the fact that my Ubuntu system downloaded TWO
updates to the tzdata package (time zone and Daylight Savings Time info)
today. That seems like it would be one of the least-often-changing sets
of data on a system.
--
John F. Eldredge -- jo...@jfeldredge.com
"Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better
than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria
Bryce Utting
> characters.
>
> Or, in fact, zero-character passwords either. How many times have your users
> forgot the instruction "just press return"?
IME, the ones who can't remember that (a) their name is "rob", and (b)
their password is "", are generally the ones who (c) fail to shut
their PC off successfully because the most recent default on that
dialogue was "restart".
No, I don't know how many times he'd gone round the merry-go-round
before asking for help.
butting
--
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~butting
> Local newspaper today had a headline "New font for Cathedral"
They just want to advertise that they minister to all types.
-- SteveD vs Tanuki
Zebee Johnstone
John F. Eldredge <jo...@jfeldredge.com> wrote:
>
> I was somewhat bemused by the fact that my Ubuntu system downloaded TWO
> updates to the tzdata package (time zone and Daylight Savings Time info)
> today. That seems like it would be one of the least-often-changing sets
> of data on a system.
Somewhere around the world someone fiddles with daylight saving time
every year. I think the last update I saw was Dubai.
Zebee
Lawns 'R' Us
All of which just serves as proof that the world needs to standardise
on UTC, so that it's the same time everywhere; all that differs is the
time people actually get up.
David Cameron Staples
> All of which just serves as proof that the world needs to standardise on
> UTC, so that it's the same time everywhere; all that differs is the time
> people actually get up.
I remember reading recently of the celebrations of n (where n mod 10 = 0)
years of GMT, and it was mentioned in the article that the above
suggestion was made at the same conference which adopted GMT as the world
standard time, but was not looked into at the time because such a
suggestion was outside the remit of the proceedings.
Or, in other words, they universally praised the suggestion as
Imaginative and Brave, sent it off to committee, and thus killed it stone
dead on the spot.
SteveD
<sta...@cs.mu.oz.au.SPAM> wrote:
>Or, in other words, they universally praised the suggestion as
>Imaginative and Brave, sent it off to committee, and thus killed it stone
>dead on the spot.
Even if it had been passed, it's not like the general populace would
embrace a system which stripped away the universality of phrases like
"twelve midnight", "five-o-clock shadow", and "nine to five".
The only way it would get accepted is if the majority of the global
population regularly commuted between fairly widely varying time zones on
a daily or near-daily basis. A singular UTC clock would then be more
convenient than having to remember which time zone they were in.
-SteveD
David Cameron Staples
Oh, I completely agree. I was merely commenting on the Yes Minister
method of killing ideas being used for good instead of evil.
Jim
> Even if it had been passed, it's not like the general populace would
> embrace a system which stripped away the universality of phrases like
> "twelve midnight", "five-o-clock shadow", and "nine to five".
I will personally kill anyone who tries to take away "Dram o'clock".
Jim
--
"Microsoft admitted its Vista operating system was a 'less good
product' in what IT experts have described as the most ambitious
understatement since the captain of the Titanic reported some
slightly damp tablecloths." http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/
Erwan David
> On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:50:19 +0000, David Taylor wrote:
>
>> On 2009-10-23, Peter Corlett <ab...@mooli.org.uk> wrote:
>>> mikea <mi...@mikea.ath.cx> wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>> While in almost every other way the EMC2 E-mail and calendaring system
>>>> sucked entire universes through buckytubes, it had a very good and
>>>> very effective calendaring system. That is the only piece of it that I
>>>> miss.
>>>
>>> Calendaring is the only thing that actually works (FSVO "works") in the
>>> whole Exchange/Outlook ecosystem. So you can always install the
>>> Microsoft versions if you are getting nostalgic.
>>
>> As long as no timezones, or $DEITY-forbid, DST changes, are involved.
>
> I was somewhat bemused by the fact that my Ubuntu system downloaded TWO
> updates to the tzdata package (time zone and Daylight Savings Time info)
> today. That seems like it would be one of the least-often-changing sets
> of data on a system.
IIIRC, Argentina decided 2 weeks before change that there would be no
DST this year in Argentina...
--
Le travail n'est pas une bonne chose. Si �a l'�tait,
les riches l'auraient accapar�
Joe Zeff
> All of which just serves as proof that the world needs to standardise on
> UTC, so that it's the same time everywhere; all that differs is the time
> people actually get up.
I remember reading, once, that during WW II the IJN remained on Tokyo
time no matter where they were. Soldiers on the way to invade Midway
were quite puzzled when they found the Sun rising at 3 AM.
--
Joe Zeff -- The Guy With The Sideburns:
http://www.zeff.us http://www.lasfs.info
Proof that they're lusers who must die: they send spam saying "Restore
your sex life" even though they never told you to back it up.
Joe Zeff
> SteveD <use...@vo.id.au> wrote:
>
>> Even if it had been passed, it's not like the general populace would
>> embrace a system which stripped away the universality of phrases like
>> "twelve midnight", "five-o-clock shadow", and "nine to five".
>
> I will personally kill anyone who tries to take away "Dram o'clock".
>
"The Sun is over the yardarm" works for me just fine, even without a
trebuchet.
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Which has led to otherwise sensible folks waving pencils at them and
shouting "Accio plot!"
TimC
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:50:19 +0000, David Taylor wrote:
>
>> On 2009-10-23, Peter Corlett <ab...@mooli.org.uk> wrote:
>>> Calendaring is the only thing that actually works (FSVO "works") in the
>>> whole Exchange/Outlook ecosystem. So you can always install the
>>> Microsoft versions if you are getting nostalgic.
>>
>> As long as no timezones, or $DEITY-forbid, DST changes, are involved.
>
> I was somewhat bemused by the fact that my Ubuntu system downloaded TWO
> updates to the tzdata package (time zone and Daylight Savings Time info)
> today. That seems like it would be one of the least-often-changing sets
> of data on a system.
Heh. Then Chile decides on 2 days notice to change their DST for a
year because the cows were getting up too early, then NSW changes
theirs for the 7th time in 5 years because the air conditioning
manufacturers want some financial assistance, then WA extends a 3 year
trial because the voters didn't vote right and they should be given
another chance to vote correctly.
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TimC
You really need a dual GHz G4 to fully harness the power of cowsay.
-- Matt McIrvin