LARTs...
Szechuan Death
Oh yes. LART choices. This is meant to provoke thoughtful discussion on
the merits of various types of LARTs and their respective strengths and
weaknesses.
For simplicity, we'll split them up into three groups: Compound/Other
LARTs, Blunt LARTs, and Edged LARTs.
Compound LARTs:
a) Crossbow. Nothing says "Don't fuck with me" like seeing someone get
nailed to the far wall with a crossbow bolt. Especially a flaming bolt.
However, this can be somewhat messy, especially if an artery is severed.
(Luckily enough, the bolt does act somewhat like a plug, holding a good
bit of the blood in, but some can still leak out...)
b) Firearms. Effective, but without subtlety. Can be very noisy, and
VERY messy. Easily obtainable in some places; completely illegal in
others. Depends on your country of residence.
c) Explosive devices. Lack of subtlety is legendary, extremely noisy,
and _extremely_ messy. On the other hand, it does have a certain appeal
to it, especially for the more destructive-minded among us. Be sure to
have appropriately shielded computers though.
d) Electrical devices. Subtle, clean (unless the luser loses
bladder/bowel control), quiet, and most importantly, adjustable to your
needs. Lethality is easily obtainable, as is its more useful cousin for
training, pain and humiliation. RC shock collars are especially fun.
Ditto for tasers and stun guns. This comes recommended highly, although
it does require a higher skill level than other LARTs.
e) Chemicals. This area is wide and varied. From nerve gas to Mace to
tranquilizer darts to laxatives, there's something in this field for
every taste. Lethal or non-lethal, this group is restricted only by your
imagination (and a few paragraphs of the Geneva convention, I think)
This group is quiet, subtle, and clean, and best of all, has very little
chance of damaging the computer hardware. Highly recommended.
f) Other. This group includes things like radiation devices, biological
agents, hired assassins/bouncers/etc., and many others as well. Use your
imagination; see where it leads you.
Edged LARTs:
(Caveat - these are quite messy, as they're primarily used for severing
body parts. Make sure no valuable electronic device is in the path of
the blood spray, and ensure that another luser flunkie is standing by to
clean up, or at least have a fire hose handy.)
a) Japanese-style katana. Favorite of the feudal samurai ruling class
in ancient Japan, and still used even today, this traditional sword is
kept at a razor edge, able to slice through even the densest and
gristliest knucklehead. Light, easy to use, and quite lethal, this is
capable of reducing _your_ luser problem to quivering, bloody sushi!
Recommended.
b) Double-edged broadsword. Used by the knights in Europe primarily for
cleaving upstart peasants in half, this has been relegated to history,
although a few good samples still do exist. This one is heavy, and
requires a good bit of physical strength to wield properly. Still, for
pure crushing/cleaving power, it can't be matched by anything. (NB -
the flat edge makes a good tool for slapping someone upside the head)
c) Throwable edged objects. Throwing daggers are good, although I
understand some good results have been obtained through the use of
throwing stars. Although requiring substantial dexterity to use
properly, once mastered, these can serve your needs quite well.
d) Scottish edged weapons. I'm sorry, but these deserve a nod just for
their sheer bloody-minded enthusiasm. Lochaber axes and claymores are
two examples that come to mind. These can inspire fear just by looking
at them; something about a pair of blood-stained lochabers hanging on the
wall behind one's desk just _doesn't_ say "Ask me an idiotic Windows
95/Netscape question"... Highly recommended.
e) Knives/stilettos. Small, easily concealed, and amazingly useful,
these are available virtually anywhere in the world (some are even
throwable; see c) above). While they are less imposing than some of the
other weapons, they can be quite lethal, especially if the luser hasn't
been trained in disarming people. Good for beginners.
Blunt LARTs:
a) Baseball bats. Easily mistaken for a harmless sporting item, and
then... *WHACK*! Available anywhere on the planet. Not very subtle, but
then, bludgeons usually aren't...
b) Police-style retractable metal baton. This one is one of my personal
favorites, along with a cousin, the retractable spring metal baton (good
for welts, broken bones, and bruises). Portable in the extreme, and
easily concealable. Recommended.
c) 2x4. About as basic as one can get. Easily modifiable to one's
tastes; cut to size, sand to desired thickness, add nails/screws/holes
for added pain/etc. Cheap as all getout, but not too durable. Good for
beginners.
d) Connex. This is the generic term for a large trailer, usually
dragged behind a semi. Requires a crane and a load (VMS documentation
works excellently), but well-worth it, as the lusers can, once LARTed, be
removed from the premises with a garden hose. (NB - this word has been
'verbed', to wit: "connex, to connex: To be crushed by a connex, as in
'The crane cable broke, and he got connexed.'")
e) Rebar. Available in a plethora of lengths and thicknesses, this is
second only to the 2x4 in variability. However, it proves even more
useful, being made of steel for extra toughness, and thinner as well, for
a better grip and more force concentration. Recommended.
f) Shillelaghs. An Irish invention, IIRC, it is a large pine knot,
hollowed out and filled with lead. Brutal, and steeped in history.
Heavy, and hard to make, but quite powerful. A good LART for experts.
g) Quarterstaff. Infinitely useful in the hands of an expert. In
either its oaken English version, or rattan/bamboo Asian version, these
have been used by martial artists for centuries. This one and all its
variants are good for experts.
h) Escrima sticks. Ferdinand Magellan was killed by an escrimador with
rattan sticks. With such a pedigree, how can they NOT be considered in
any in-depth study of LARTs? Light, fast, and utterly ordinary-looking,
these can be used to good effect by someone with the proper training.
Good for experts.
I'm sure there are many more LARTs, but time and space forbid me from
placing them all here. Thoughts and new ideas are always appreciated,
though.
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Eric Schwartz
So I'm just curious... what about regular bows? A friend of mine told me
how, in Houston, a burglar was once held at bay by the owner, who had a
bow trained on his throat. Guns you can take your chances with, but if
somebody comes after you with a longbow, you *know* you're in shit but
deep.
-=Eric
Mike Whitaker
In article <55d5n5$p...@nonews.col.hp.com>,
Absolutely. There's something about a yard of sharp metal that's too fast
to dodge but definitely too slow NOT to see it has your name on it...
ObASR: MMDF. Nuff said.
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#include <witty.fortune>
#include <contact.details>
Alistair Young
In <84710484...@mrw.noc.demon.net>, m...@mrw.noc.demon.net (Mike Whitaker) writes:
>
>ObASR: MMDF. Nuff said.
Oh, *that* would explain everything.
Go on, install sendmail. Come back to the light.
Alistair "three little pieces of mail on the server,
three little pieces of mail,
if one of those pieces should happen to vanish inexplicably
into the aether,
two little pieces of mail on the server..." Y
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Dominic Mitchell
On Tue, 05 Nov 1996 19:56:02 GMT, Alistair Young <ava...@arkane.demon.co.uk> wrote:
| In <84710484...@mrw.noc.demon.net>, m...@mrw.noc.demon.net (Mike Whitaker) writes:
| >
| >ObASR: MMDF. Nuff said.
|
| Oh, *that* would explain everything.
|
| Go on, install sendmail. Come back to the light.
You *want* sendmail installed? I know mmdf ain't good, but sendmail?
Why don't you just let your three year old have a root window on all
your machines and show him the "rm" command. Come back when sendmail
is an MTA.
| Alistair "three little pieces of mail on the server,
| three little pieces of mail,
| if one of those pieces should happen to vanish inexplicably
| into the aether,
| two little pieces of mail on the server..." Y
You don't partake in clay email shoots, then?
-Dom
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Thomas Michael Trusock
You forgot the "upgrade". Replacing their PP200 system with a 80286
running "Windoze 2.0" You must bill it as a "new more stable environment,
even if it is a little slower.
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You will be estimated."
Daniel Barlow
In article <c0.9s.2CsQNf$0...@esther.arkane.net>,
Alistair Young <ava...@arkane.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Alistair "three little pieces of mail on the server,
> three little pieces of mail,
> if one of those pieces should happen to vanish inexplicably
> into the aether,
> two little pieces of mail on the server..." Y
Two little pieces of mail on the server,
two little pieces of mail,
if one of those pieces should for no apparent reason have its filenames
in /var/spool/mqueue renamed to uppercase
one little piece of mail on the server ...
-dan
dma...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
My personal favorite for a LART is the empty Jim Beam bottle I have left after consuming it on the
job.
Situation: Luser comes in whining that he's only slightly over his quota and that his work is very
important and must be done and can he please just have 10 more megs of spac...*WHACK*
Benefits: I'm drunk, Luser down for count
Draw-Backs: Glass all over the place, blood clotting.
Given this balance sheet, I think the benefits *far* outway the draw-backs.
Derek
Paul Tomblin
One little peice of mail on the server,
One little piece of mail,
if one of those peices should happen to come from a known spam domain
no little pieces of mail on the server...
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Peter B. Juul
ptom...@compass.xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) writes:
>>>Alistair "three little pieces of mail on the server,
>>> three little pieces of mail,
>>> if one of those pieces should happen to vanish inexplicably
>>> into the aether,
>>> two little pieces of mail on the server..." Y
>>
>>Two little pieces of mail on the server,
>>two little pieces of mail,
>>if one of those pieces should for no apparent reason have its filenames
>> in /var/spool/mqueue renamed to uppercase
>>one little piece of mail on the server ...
>One little peice of mail on the server,
>One little piece of mail,
>if one of those peices should happen to come from a known spam domain
>no little pieces of mail on the server...
No little piece of mail on the server,
One little piece of mail,
if someone screws up and the hardware is old,
minus no little pieces of mail on the server...
--
Peter B. Juul,
DKnet.
Perry Rovers
On Mon, 11 Nov 1996 03:04:57 GMT Daniel Barlow (d...@detached.demon.co.uk) wrote in alt.sysadmin.recovery: [1]
: In article <c0.9s.2CsQNf$0...@esther.arkane.net>,
: Alistair Young <ava...@arkane.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: >Alistair "three little pieces of mail on the server,
: > three little pieces of mail,
: > if one of those pieces should happen to vanish inexplicably
: > into the aether,
: > two little pieces of mail on the server..." Y
:
: Two little pieces of mail on the server,
: two little pieces of mail,
: if one of those pieces should for no apparent reason have its filenames
: in /var/spool/mqueue renamed to uppercase
: one little piece of mail on the server ...
One little piece of mail on the server,
one little piece of mail,
if that piece should be renamed to .luser.pop because some luser fscked up,
no more pieces of mail on the server [3]
[1] spot the footnote
[2] hey look , it's arkane.replies again!
[3] mmm.. that should warrant an immediate shutdown wouldn't it?
--
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Paul O'Malley
Peter B. Juul wrote:
>
> ptom...@compass.xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) writes:
>
> >>>Alistair "three little pieces of mail on the server,
> >>> three little pieces of mail,
> >>> if one of those pieces should happen to vanish inexplicably
> >>> into the aether,
> >>> two little pieces of mail on the server..." Y
> >>
> >>Two little pieces of mail on the server,
> >>two little pieces of mail,
> >>if one of those pieces should for no apparent reason have its filenames
> >> in /var/spool/mqueue renamed to uppercase
> >>one little piece of mail on the server ...
>
> >One little piece of mail,
> >if one of those peices should happen to come from a known spam domain
> >no little pieces of mail on the server...
>
> No little piece of mail on the server,
> One little piece of mail,
> if someone screws up and the hardware is old,
> minus no little pieces of mail on the server...
> --
> Peter B. Juul,
> DKnet.
why have mail on server ../spool/mqueue > /dev/null
much better place for it [1]
[1] dont you agree
Arkane News Daemons
In <56ik2j$p...@news.IAEhv.nl>, Perry....@IAEhv.nl (Perry Rovers) writes:
>[2] hey look , it's arkane.replies again!
I am innd of arkane.*.
Alt.Sysadmin.Recovery is irrelevant.
You will be assimilated.
the arkaned collective
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What is your security clearance, friend poster?
Berry Kercheval
>>>>> "Paul" == Paul Tomblin <ptom...@compass.xcski.com> writes:
In article <E0w3v...@xcski.com> ptom...@compass.xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) writes:
Paul> In a previous article, d...@detached.demon.co.uk (Daniel
Paul> Barlow) said:
>> In article <c0.9s.2CsQNf$0...@esther.arkane.net>, Alistair Young
>> <ava...@arkane.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Alistair "three little pieces of mail on the server, three
>>> little pieces of mail, if one of those pieces should happen to
>>> vanish inexplicably into the aether, two little pieces of mail
>>> on the server..." Y
>> Two little pieces of mail on the server, two little pieces of
>> mail, if one of those pieces should for no apparent reason have
>> its filenames in /var/spool/mqueue renamed to uppercase one
>> little piece of mail on the server ...
Paul> One little peice of mail on the server, One little piece of
Paul> mail, if one of those peices should happen to come from a
Paul> known spam domain no little pieces of mail on the server...
No little pieces of mail on the server, no little pieces of mail...
take one down and drop it on the ground,
4292967296 pieces of mail on the sever...
--berry
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Joe Zeff
use...@arkane.demon.co.uk (Arkane News Daemons) wrote:
>In <56ik2j$p...@news.IAEhv.nl>, Perry....@IAEhv.nl (Perry Rovers) writes:
>>[2] hey look , it's arkane.replies again!
>I am innd of arkane.*.
>Alt.Sysadmin.Recovery is irrelevant.
>You will be assimilated.
Watch out for Luser of Borg; your clues wlll be assimilated!
>the arkaned collective
>--
>What is your security clearance, friend poster?
Ultraviolet, friend computer. I am a programmer.
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John Clarke
On Fri, 1 Nov 1996 02:41:52 -0900, Szechuan Death
(sde...@ackphft.matsu.alaska.edu) wrote the following words of wisdom
in alt.sysadmin.recovery:
> c) Explosive devices. Lack of subtlety is legendary, extremely noisy,
> and _extremely_ messy. On the other hand, it does have a certain appeal
> to it, especially for the more destructive-minded among us. Be sure to
> have appropriately shielded computers though.
An addition to this section, courtesy of to...@advgroup.com.au:
: The author obviously hasn't heard of "SHAPED CHARGES". These are very
: effective at channelling their energy in a particular direction. It has
: two benefits:
:
: 1. There is an efficient use of the energy (i.e. at the target), which
: also minimises extraneous messiness.
:
: 2. You don't need to shield the computer.
Just in case this is considered useful information,
<LART=on, mode=auto, target=self>
*OUCH*
John :-)
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Chris Rovers
In article <56uhgq$3...@glitch.mpx.com.au>,
John Clarke <jcl...@mpx.com.au> wrote:
>On Fri, 1 Nov 1996 02:41:52 -0900, Szechuan Death
> (sde...@ackphft.matsu.alaska.edu) wrote the following words of wisdom
> in alt.sysadmin.recovery:
[interesting explosives discussion snipped]
>
>Just in case this is considered useful information,
>
><LART=on, mode=auto, target=self>
>
>*OUCH*
>
OW! OW! OW! OW! damn it, turn that thing off!
</LART>
Hey, don't you realize that those things are dangerous? You wanna
autolart yourself, fine, but don't let them wander into other people's
followups.
-cdr
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Lars Balker Rasmussen
If this one somehow got out more than once, it's because of a booted
newsserver. Gnus cannot err :-)
cdro...@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Rovers) writes:
> John Clarke <jcl...@mpx.com.au> wrote:
> ><LART=on, mode=auto, target=self>
>
> OW! OW! OW! OW! damn it, turn that thing off!
>
> </LART>
Hey, what kinda degenerated LART-browser do you use anyway? The above
had NO effect on me, because my browser didn't accept the bogus syntax.
It should have been <LART mode=auto target=self> of course. Ow!
ObASR:
Guest lusers. I make an account, tell them what password I've given
them, and instruct them to change it. Does it change? Nooo.
Why is security only considered an issue in agreements, but never
actually acted upon?
`We should encrypt all our project-related email'
`Great idea'
`Sounds good'
`Fine with us'
Four months ago I installed all the necessary software at our site, and
expected the three other sites to follow my simple (!) instructions. No
encrypted email has been sent yet. It is unlikely any will, unless
there is a security audit. Sheesh.
--
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Lars Balker Rasmussen
cdro...@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Rovers) writes:
> John Clarke <jcl...@mpx.com.au> wrote:
> ><LART=on, mode=auto, target=self>
>
> OW! OW! OW! OW! damn it, turn that thing off!
>
> </LART>
Hey, what kinda degenerated LART-browser do you use anyway? The above
had NO effect on me, because my browser didn't accept the bogus syntax.
It should have been <LART mode=auto target=self> of course. Ow!
ObASR:
Guest users. I make an account, tell them what password I've given
them, and instruct them to change it. Does it change? Nooo.
Why is security only considered an issue in agreements, but never
actually acted upon?
`We should encrypt all our project-related email'
`Ok'
`Sounds good'
`Fine with us'
Four months ago I installed all the necessary software at our site, and
expected the three other sites to follow my simple (!) instructions. No
encrypted email has been sent yet.
Jens Goerke
Potentially useful information[1], beware!
I recently found out that a cardboard box from a keyboard
is very useful for hinting. Filled with concrete it makes
a perfect LART.
Jens
[1] After having supported Lose95 for over two weeks now
instead of planning the new network, I consider myself
LARTed enough to spare the AutoLART...
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Lars Balker Rasmussen <gn...@daimi.aau.dk> wrote:
> cdro...@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Rovers) writes:
> > John Clarke <jcl...@mpx.com.au> wrote:
> > ><LART=on, mode=auto, target=self>
> Hey, what kinda degenerated LART-browser do you use anyway? The above
> had NO effect on me, because my browser didn't accept the bogus syntax.
> It should have been <LART mode=auto target=self> of course. Ow!
I found the following to work with my setup:
<LART -a;s>
*OW!*
BroCaCa
oBasr: Given the NetScrape "push" at Comdex, I thought I should quote
rfc1925 (The twelve networking truths) (R. Callon):
(3) With sufficient *THRUST* (emphasis by ed.), pigs fly just fine.
However, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure
where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under
them as they fly overhead.
Benedikt Stockebrand
Lars Balker Rasmussen <gn...@daimi.aau.dk> writes:
> ObASR:
> Guest users. I make an account, tell them what password I've given
> them, and instruct them to change it. Does it change? Nooo.
Because you don't lart them appropriately.
Guess I could tell you how to make their .login script invalidate
their login after they've logged in the first time and didn't change
their PW, but then I wouldn't want to lart myself unnecessarily, so I
won't suggest that.
> Why is security only considered an issue in agreements, but never
> actually acted upon?
Because some system administrator lets them get away with it?
> `We should encrypt all our project-related email'
> `Ok'
> `Sounds good'
> `Fine with us'
>
> Four months ago I installed all the necessary software at our site, and
> expected the three other sites to follow my simple (!) instructions. No
> encrypted email has been sent yet.
\begin{useful.information}
So why don't you just start sending them encrypted stuff every day and
bounce anything not properly encrypted?
\begin{autolart}
Ouch! Stop it!
\end{autolart}
\end{useful.information}
So long,
Ben
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Benedikt Stockebrand <bene...@devnull.ruhr.de> writes:
> Lars Balker Rasmussen <gn...@daimi.aau.dk> writes:
> > ObASR:
> > Guest users. I make an account, tell them what password I've given
> > them, and instruct them to change it. Does it change? Nooo.
>
> Because you don't lart them appropriately.
>
> Guess I could tell you how to make their .login script invalidate
> their login after they've logged in the first time and didn't change
> their PW, but then I wouldn't want to lart myself unnecessarily, so I
> won't suggest that.
Yes, I could do that. No, I won't because, 1) the password I create
initially isn't a bad password, though I make it easy for the luser to
remember; 2) if I make it invalid after the first login, I will have to
change it for them the next time they (try to) log on, ad nauseum.
> > Why is security only considered an issue in agreements, but never
> > actually acted upon?
>
> Because some system administrator lets them get away with it?
Because our dear colleagues either work for corporations so LARGE the
sysadmins don't know what is going on, or for companies so small the
sysadmins don't know what they're doing. Hmmm.
> So why don't you just start sending them encrypted stuff every day and
> bounce anything not properly encrypted?
Politics, my friend. While this would be a good thing, it would be
Frowned Upon by our client, even though it's _their_ data, and _their_
rules.
Sigh,
Joe Zeff
Lars Balker Rasmussen <gn...@daimi.aau.dk> wrote:
>> So why don't you just start sending them encrypted stuff every day and
>> bounce anything not properly encrypted?
>Politics, my friend. While this would be a good thing, it would be
>Frowned Upon by our client, even though it's _their_ data, and _their_
>rules.
There's a certain type of luser that hides their lack of ability
behind a nitpicking, fussy, literal insistance that the rules be
followed to the letter, regardless of consequences. Simply find one,
make sure the know the *rules* and make them liason with this twit
customer. Everything sent *will* be encrypted, regardless of
importance.
Shalom Septimus
In article <m2enhel...@chele.cs.byu.edu>,
Don <d...@chele.cs.byu.edu> wrote:
>Good ally, but annoying enemy. I prefer to think of this type as the
>"law of moses" type. The kind that counts the number of steps they
>take on the sabbath, because taking xyz number of steps is ok, but xyz+1
>is not. (grin.. You know the type)
Well, that's why we have this thing called "eruv t'chumin"...[1]
Not that it applies that much these days. How often do you walk 2000+
cubits outside the city limits[2] these days, anyways?
[1] "mingling of boundaries"; one places food items at the distant point
before the sabbath, thus establishing your "residence" at that point, and
the 2000 cubit (1 cubit =~ 18") radius is measured from there, rather than
from where you are at sundown. You can get an extra 1000 cubits this way.
See Mishnah B'rura, vol.4, sections 396-416 for more detail. [3]
[2] Considering that "city limits" for this purpose is defined as "the
point from which there are no more visible buildings". There aren't too
many such places in the New York metro area. Out in Utah, yes.
[3] useful info only to Orthodox Jews. <autolart> ouch....</autolart>
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