voluntary recovery
Dan
I did, however, decide that volunteering for something would be a good
way to have something of my own to do on some kind of regular basis -
and in the evening, no less. Can't remember the last time that was true.
So I volunteered at "The VIS"[1]. My thoughts after my first shift:
1. Altazimuth Dobsonians are a pain. Perhaps I should propose
alt.azimuth.dobsonian.repoint.repoint.repoint...
2. The Shiny! 16" LX200GPS-SMT[2] they were given last month is not a pain.
Nor are the slightly smaller eq-mount clock-drive toy, nor the somewhat
smaller eq-mount go-to toy.
3. Busloads of junior high girls from Japan and families from Australia,
France, and Chile make for interesting conversation. As does dinner
with astronomers, observers and such.
-Dan
[1] http://www.ifa.hawaii.edu/info/vis/
[2] http://www.meade.com/catalog/lx/16_lx200gps.html
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>
> 1. Altazimuth Dobsonians are a pain. Perhaps I should propose
> alt.azimuth.dobsonian.repoint.repoint.repoint...
Repoint, repoint and spin no more.
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Dan Birchall
> 2. The Shiny! 16" LX200GPS-SMT[2] they were given last month is not a pain.
> [2] http://www.meade.com/catalog/lx/16_lx200gps.html
Hail, Murphy and Eris.
While discussing this week's volunteering schedule, I learned that the
person doing the schedule was about to come down to sea level with "a
telescope part."
Part of which telescope? Yes, the 16" LX200GPS. Of course!
Why? It's busted.
(Uh-oh... I hope I didn't push the wrong buttons last Friday...)
What happened? "Someone" plugged a laptop into it, and managed to erase
everything the beast knew. Reportedly, things are borked so badly they
can't even field-reprogram the ostensibly field-reprogrammable flash memory.
So it's basically in "Sirius? Nope, ain't heard of that" mode. And with
an altazimuth mount, it's not very useful without its tracking smarts.
This is bad, definitely bad... I wonder if I should admit to being a monk,
and offer to take a look at it?
-Dan
Steed
(Dan Birchall) did gyre and gimble in
news:slrnca2qmp.hmm...@malasada.lava.net
> This is bad, definitely bad... I wonder if I should admit to being a
> monk, and offer to take a look at it?
Only if you feel like having the telescope become your responsibility in
perpetuity and introducing an entirely new type of luser-whining.
"There aren't any stars for me to look at! Make the stars visible!"
-Luser using telescope during the day.
"This isn't the star I wanted to look at! Let me see *my* star!"
-Luser using wrong coordinates.
"I can't download pictures from the sky!"
-No film in camera hooked up to telescope.
"All I see is Uranus! I find that offensive!"
-Make your own joke for this one, folks.
"I looked into the telescope and now I can't see anything! Fix it!"
-Telescope aimed at the sun, luser's retinas now extra-tasty-crispy.
"I can't browse the solar system!"
-Fscking anything.
Then, of course, Redmond will come out with Microsoft Telescope (tm),
which not only has the resolution of a pair of dime-store binoculars, but
also serves as an e-mail client, office suite, and ISP service. All of
which will suck, but that's ok because MS Telescope will default to
targeting black-holes.
Maintenance will consist of removing the lenses, smashing them with a
hammer, gluing them back together, and putting them back in. Sometimes,
MS Telescope will do this for you.
MS Telescope will occasionally focus light so intensely that it causes
temporary or permanant blindness. Users will accept this as normal.
MS Telescope will only be able to view 10% of the sky. This isn't a
problem with MS Telescope - the sky has a compatibility issue.
You'll have to product-activate MS Telescope. Upgrading lenses or
replacing the film in your camera will require you to re-license.
There will be a slight issue with MS Telescope's robotic mount that
causes it to occasionally whip the telescope around at high speed and rap
you right in the happysacks. This will be fixed in MS Telescope
Professional, where the happysack-rapping will be controlled by a) the
Administrator of the telescope and b) WM.Happysack.A.
Some guy in Scandinavia will come up with a new type of telescope which
can be used by hundreds of people at once because it has hundreds of
lenses which can be added or removed at the will of the telescope's
owner, has the most stable and accurate robotic mount in the industry, is
completely immune to WM.Happysack.A and all the other telescope-viruses
in the world, and has a resolution that kicks the crap out of the Hubble.
It will browse the sky, help you write astronomy documents, and send e-
mail with excellent reliability. It will even talk to MS Telescopes, if
you have a Telescope Message Block (TaMBa) installed. The guy who made it
will give any number of telescopes to anyone who asks for them. However,
it'll take the world 10 years before they realize that this guy's
telescope is the one they should be using.
--
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Garrett Wollman
Steed <dr.s...@death.to.spammers.oraclenet.org> wrote:
>"There aren't any stars for me to look at! Make the stars visible!"
>-Luser using telescope during the day.
>
>"This isn't the star I wanted to look at! Let me see *my* star!"
>-Luser using wrong coordinates.
Oh, you forgot:
"I typed in my grandfather's name, and it claims that it doesn't know
it! I paid $100 to have a star named after granddad, I want to see it!"
-Luser whose money has already parted.
-GAWollman
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Dan Birchall
> Dan Birchall staggered into the Black Sun and said:
> >So it's basically in "Sirius? Nope, ain't heard of that" mode. And with
> >an altazimuth mount, it's not very useful without its tracking smarts.
> >
> >This is bad, definitely bad... I wonder if I should admit to being a monk,
> >and offer to take a look at it?
>
> admitting to Monkhood just to get one's paws upon it and caress it.
Well, it got killed good. Basically a matter of "we'll just plug in
the lapdog and teach it some new objects," minus a... few steps. Like
the one where you RTFM, and the one where you make sure you have the
latest drivers, and stuff like that. Somehow or other they managed to
wipe the flash RAM _and_ the firmware... so it'll be a while before
it's up and running again.
-Dan
Jim
> "There aren't any stars for me to look at! Make the stars visible!"
> -Luser using telescope during the day.
Oh, there's always *one* star visible during the day and I can almost
stake my life on the fact that they won't ask to be shown it again. Not
after they see what happens to the first poor sod who looks at the Sun
through a 16" 'scope without any filtering, anyway.
Jim
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Maarten Wiltink
news:1gdnxci.1e72u7s1y982qcN%j...@magrathea.plus.com...
> Oh, there's always *one* star visible during the day and I can almost
> stake my life on the fact that they won't ask to be shown it again. Not
> after they see what happens to the first poor sod who looks at the Sun
> through a 16" 'scope without any filtering, anyway.
I think I saw that movie. With Sean Connery as James Bond, wasn't it?
Tebrgwrf,
Maarten Wiltink
Paul Tomblin
>will give any number of telescopes to anyone who asks for them. However,
>it'll take the world 10 years before they realize that this guy's
>telescope is the one they should be using.
ITYM "till hell freezes over".
Users of the Microsoft Telescope will claim that people who prefer this
other telescope are luddites and the other telescope is too hard to
install or manage, in spite of the fact that while both claims where true
at first, incremental improvements over the years have made both things
false for at least 5 years. What they really mean is that the Microsoft
Telescope works as a kaledascope when it isn't looking at stars, and
they're mesmerized by all the pretty colours.
--
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"It is a universal truth that the loss of liberty will be charged to
dangers, real or imagined, from abroad." - James Madison
Steed
gyre and gimble in news:1gdnxci.1e72u7s1y982qcN%j...@magrathea.plus.com
> Oh, there's always *one* star visible during the day and I can almost
> stake my life on the fact that they won't ask to be shown it again. Not
> after they see what happens to the first poor sod who looks at the Sun
> through a 16" 'scope without any filtering, anyway.
You, I, and the rest of the Monks know the definition of "star" applies to
the sun. Lusers? I don't think I'd give 'em that much credit.
I tend to agree with your assessment of the likely drop-off in luser
interest in astronomy after said use of a telescope, but I propose a long-
term study on the subject to gather conclusive data. I have a pool of about
10,000 "volunteers" we can use as test-subjects.
Jim
> 'Twas brillig in the slithy toves when j...@magrathea.plus.com (Jim) did
> gyre and gimble in news:1gdnxci.1e72u7s1y982qcN%j...@magrathea.plus.com
>
>> Oh, there's always *one* star visible during the day and I can almost
>> stake my life on the fact that they won't ask to be shown it again. Not
>> after they see what happens to the first poor sod who looks at the Sun
>> through a 16" 'scope without any filtering, anyway.
>
> You, I, and the rest of the Monks know the definition of "star" applies to
> the sun. Lusers? I don't think I'd give 'em that much credit.
>
> I tend to agree with your assessment of the likely drop-off in luser
> interest in astronomy after said use of a telescope, but I propose a long-
> term study on the subject to gather conclusive data. I have a pool of about
> 10,000 "volunteers" we can use as test-subjects.
>
Well, I also have a 10" Newt, a 5" refractor and a 3" refractor that I can
throw into the mix. We could try to ascertain burnout times vs. aperture
between the four 'scopes. A fun project for a w/e, methinks.
Oh, and my sig is apt for once.
Jim
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Steed
did gyre and gimble in news:slrnca46p...@odin.magrathea.local
> Well, I also have a 10" Newt, a 5" refractor and a 3" refractor that I
> can throw into the mix. We could try to ascertain burnout times vs.
> aperture between the four 'scopes. A fun project for a w/e, methinks.
I like this idea - kind of poetic justice. They burn us out. We burn them
out, document the process, and share the information amongst the
Monastery. It's like karma, only more hands-on [0].
We'll need to get a PFY for the scut-work. Shouldn't be a problem - we
can offer letting him/her use the project in his/her Bastard Thesis.
They'll line up round the block for the gig, I think.
> Oh, and my sig is apt for once.
Heh - quite so.
[0] Well... so are a lot of things we do, which makes me like the idea
even more.
Steed
Wollman) did gyre and gimble in news:c7s59f$1n1q$1...@grapevine.lcs.mit.edu
> Oh, you forgot:
>
> "I typed in my grandfather's name, and it claims that it doesn't know
> it! I paid $100 to have a star named after granddad, I want to see
> it!" -Luser whose money has already parted.
The telescope from Scandinavia will result in the emergence of a
grassroots effort called "Project Copernicus" which will take the
International Star Registry's records and, though volunteer work,
convert them into an open database which any telescope can use to
convert ISR name into coordinates that the robotic mount can use to
target the star.
A hacker will take apart enough of Microsoft Telescope to figure out how
to make it compatible with Project Copernicus - because Microsoft
refuses to build in the compatibility themselves for fear of losing more
of their already waning market-share - and offer the software for a
moderate fee.
SCO will sue everybody using the Scandinavian telescope because they
claim that they own the intellectual-property rights on some part of the
mount's robotic hardware, but will refuse to say which part.
The RIAA will allege that all telescopes can be used to view and record
movies for piracy from drive-in screens at a distance without paying for
it and will tie up the American legal system for years.
In September 2013, Astronomy On-Line will connect their huge, bloated,
unweildy, proprietary telescope to the now-venerable distributed
association of telescopes known as TelescopeNet. The resulting influx of
clueless amateur astronomers who spend their time solar-flaring other
astronomers, "Me too!"ing in astrophysics conversations, looking for the
latest zero-day telescope warez, and generally making a nuisance of
themselves will rapidly innundate TelescopeNet. This will be referred to
for the rest of time as "The Never-Ending September". Patches for the
Scandinavian telescope to allow the option of using Time Since September
will be rapidly produced. This will annoy Astronomy On-Line users and
confuse the smeg out of Microsoft Telescope users. No one who matters
will care about either.
Jim, the Divine Robotic Telescope Mount Salesman of the Cult of the
Sub-Gifted, will generally confuse the smeg out of everybody.
I have seen the future, and the future is now.
David P. Murphy
> Dan Birchall staggered into the Black Sun and said:
> DPM really needs to have another daughter and name her Eris, just to
> have all the bases covered.
My most recent attempt to fork() returned EAGAIN. The man page says
it failed because "the system-imposed limit on the total number of
processes under execution by a single user would be exceeded."
Unfortunately I doubt my system has enough resources to make that call
successfully in the future. Perhaps I need to upgrade SWMBO with a
newer version?
ok
dpm
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Jamie Bowden
> Anthony de Boer - USEnet <ab...@leftmind.net> wrote:
> > DPM really needs to have another daughter and name her Eris, just to
> > have all the bases covered.
> My most recent attempt to fork() returned EAGAIN. The man page says it
> failed because "the system-imposed limit on the total number of
> processes under execution by a single user would be exceeded."
Your system had a headache?
> Unfortunately I doubt my system has enough resources to make that call
> successfully in the future. Perhaps I need to upgrade SWMBO with a
> newer version?
Oh my...we need to have another DC area gathering, and make sure you bring
Wendy again. Please.
Jamie Bowden
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Iain Bowen <ala...@alaric.org.uk>
Jim
> Jim, the Divine Robotic Telescope Mount Salesman of the Cult of the
> Sub-Gifted, will generally confuse the smeg out of everybody.
>
Naglers! Getchore Naglers! Onna stick!
Geoff Lane
> You'll have to product-activate MS Telescope. Upgrading lenses or
> replacing the film in your camera will require you to re-license.
Microsoft will patent the lens and demand that all humans, animals and
insects pay a license fee for using their technology. The US patent office
will claim that they could not discover any prior art during the 15
picoseconds they now allocate to investigating the claims of each new
patent.
--
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Any comedy program described a "Zany" in the program guide will be rubbish.
Kenneth Brody
>
> 'Twas brillig in the slithy toves when dan.bi...@hilo.hi.example.org
> (Dan Birchall) did gyre and gimble in
> news:slrnca2qmp.hmm...@malasada.lava.net
>
> > This is bad, definitely bad... I wonder if I should admit to being a
> > monk, and offer to take a look at it?
>
> Only if you feel like having the telescope become your responsibility in
> perpetuity and introducing an entirely new type of luser-whining.
>
> "There aren't any stars for me to look at! Make the stars visible!"
> -Luser using telescope during the day.
"Certainly! It should take me about ${10pm-now} hours to fix, and you
will need to pay me my normal hourly rate up-front."
[...]
> "I looked into the telescope and now I can't see anything! Fix it!"
> -Telescope aimed at the sun, luser's retinas now extra-tasty-crispy.
So, what's the problem?
[...]
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Ramje Lomor
>> "There aren't any stars for me to look at! Make the stars visible!"
>> -Luser using telescope during the day.
>
> "Certainly! It should take me about ${10pm-now} hours to fix, and you
> will need to pay me my normal hourly rate up-front."
>
> [...]
>> "I looked into the telescope and now I can't see anything! Fix it!"
>> -Telescope aimed at the sun, luser's retinas now extra-tasty-crispy.
>
> So, what's the problem?
>
> [...]
Exactly. In fact, even if you don't want to wait until night, you can
charge them $MINIMUM fee and just point the scope at the sun to start
with. They got what they wanted, to see a star.
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Jim
> complex mounting system that I don't know the name for...
"Equatorial"?
Steed
did gyre and gimble in news:40A268E7...@spamcop.net
>> "I looked into the telescope and now I can't see anything! Fix it!"
>> -Telescope aimed at the sun, luser's retinas now extra-tasty-crispy.
>
> So, what's the problem?
The problem, as I see it, is that the phone is plugged in.
Ernie
>
> Well, it got killed good. Basically a matter of "we'll just plug in
> the lapdog and teach it some new objects," minus a... few steps. Like
> the one where you RTFM, and the one where you make sure you have the
> latest drivers, and stuff like that. Somehow or other they managed to
> wipe the flash RAM _and_ the firmware... so it'll be a while before
> it's up and running again.
Oh, well this is one of those delicate telescope problems that will require
a little time to fix.
Like maybe 3 weeks.
Should the luser anxiously request to have it back, tell him you're still
testing some things out. Repeat until he forgets, or buys a new telescope,
or actually pays someone else to fix it instead of you.
With any luck, noone will ever bother you with their problems again. If
they do, repeat the process as necessary.
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at 02:41 PM, d...@myths.com (David P. Murphy) said:
>My most recent attempt to fork() returned EAGAIN. The man page says
>it failed because "the system-imposed limit on the total number of
>processes under execution by a single user would be exceeded."
Have you considered SMP? Back in the old days that was a standard
solution. Be wary of destructive interference between the processors.
Also be careful not to let either processor permanently swap out
processes with an affinity to the other processor.
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TimC
> On Wed, 12 May 2004 22:02:38 +0100, Jim wrote:
>> Michel Buijsman <ab...@rubberchicken.nl> wrote:
>> > complex mounting system that I don't know the name for...
>>
>> "Equatorial"?
>
>
> Some of you professional telescope types are probably thinking
> "Oi! That's not very complex!" now, but I don't care. :)
My favourite mount is the one at the Parkes 64 "The Dish"
dish. Equatorial telescope with fricking laser on its head, sitting at
the pivot point of the dish. Attached to the guide's laser is some
setup presumably consisting of 4+ sensors, which tell the main
telescope "eh - you've gone too far thata way - come back". You can
see this in operation. I was bored one day while a couple of others
were observing as near as bugger to the horizon as possible (sheep
killing position), so donned the hardhat, and went outside.
Between the ground and the dish was about 1m clearance (the telescope
was still pointing about 30 degrees above the horizon, but 30 degrees
is the observing limit), so I got really close to the edge of the
dish, and watched it move in real-time. The action wasn't perfectly
smooth, but it was certainly very interesting.
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Jim
> > "Equatorial"?
>
> Yes.
>
> Some of you professional telescope types are probably thinking
> "Oi! That's not very complex!" now, but I don't care. :)
Heh. First time I used an equatorial mount was only two years ago. It
was a weird experience using a 10" Newt on an equatorial when my
previous 'scope was a 60mm refractor on a rather poor alt-az. I felt
like I was fighting the eq mount for the first few times, then it just
sort of clicked.
Ramje Lomor
> TimC wrote:
>>
>> My favourite mount is the one at the Parkes 64 "The Dish"
>> the pivot point of the dish.
>
>
>
Dr. Evil: "C'mon people, we're only the top evil corporation in the
world. Can't we get some frickin sharks with fricken laser beams
attached to their heads?"
David P. Murphy
> 'Twas brillig in the slithy toves when Kenneth Brody <kenb...@spamcop.net>
> did gyre and gimble in news:40A268E7...@spamcop.net
>>> "I looked into the telescope and now I can't see anything! Fix it!"
>>> -Telescope aimed at the sun, luser's retinas now extra-tasty-crispy.
>> So, what's the problem?
> The problem, as I see it, is that the phone is plugged in.
The problem, as I see it, is that the sun's wavelengths
did not affect his larynx in a similar manner as they did his eyes.
I could also lament that his brain was equally unaffected,
but that would be expecting too precise a focal point from
a mere beam of light.
Jim
> > was a weird experience using a 10" Newt on an equatorial
> [.sigbloc]
> > "Brace yourself, this might make your eyes water."
>
> I was wondering where your .sigquote came from. Now I know.
Also appropriate for that one occasion where something happens to the
counterweights, causing them to fall off. Two things generally happen at
this point:
1) The toes of one of your feet become immediately aware that Something
Bad has happened.
2) The OTA swings around and smacks into $RANDOM_BODY_PART
This does the collimation no good whatsoever and sounds something like:
<thunk>Aaaargh!<CLONG!>AAAAARRRGGGHHHBASTARDBASTARDBASTARD!!!
You know that bit towards the end of 'Raiders Of The Lost Ark', where
they're on the ship and she swings the mirror around, catching him on
the chin? You remember how it cuts to a long range view of the ship and
you hear that tortured scream? Well it's a bit like that. Only more
clong-ey. And the language tends to be worse.
TimC
> My favourite mount is the one at the Parkes 64 "The Dish"
> dish. Equatorial telescope with fricking laser on its head, sitting at
> the pivot point of the dish. Attached to the guide's laser is some
The point being that the main dish, being really expensive, is a lot
cheaper to construct when it can be made as an altaz mount.
But I remembered a similar setup - what was described as an "analogue
computer" at Siding Spring for the 4m scope.
There, there is a model of the scope and dome, and lasers on the
telescope, which follows the motion of the main scope, point towards
the dome and direct the dome where to go so the slit is in the right
place.
Incidentally, the slit is the cause of some amount of pain right now.
Something failed 2 weeks ago, the the shutter just kept on going. When
they tried to close it, chains and cogs got bent out of shape, and it
just sat there laughing at the observers. So the motor and gearbox is
a tonne, and is up 50m. But how do you drive a crane up a narrow windy
road up a fairly steep mountain side? (story turns out they had to
hire a crane from about town about 300km away for $800 an hour)
So the entire scope will be out of action for a month while they fix
the gearbox, and yes, of course it rained the day after the shutter
broke in the open position.
And I have a colleague who is observing on the expected fixing
date. Placing bets now.
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>"That's just a dot, where are the pointy bits??"
What a setup line! He took advantage of it, right?
OK, here's something pointy! *STAB*
Niklas Karlsson
>
> Incidentally, the slit is the cause of some amount of pain right now.
Really?
Niklas
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TimC
> In article <slrn-0.9.7.4-27132-1...@hexane.ssi.swin.edu.au>, TimC wrote:
>>
>> Incidentally, the slit is the cause of some amount of pain right now.
>
> Really?
And strangely, it goes D&NA.
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Ignatios Souvatzis
> My favourite mount is the one at the Parkes 64 "The Dish"
> dish.
> Between the ground and the dish was about 1m clearance (the telescope
> was still pointing about 30 degrees above the horizon, but 30 degrees
> is the observing limit),
Isn't Parkes the telescope with a ditch, to allow for a lower elevation
limit?
(And if it is - didn't it once destroy the bridge?)
-is
TimC
> TimC writes:
>
>> My favourite mount is the one at the Parkes 64 "The Dish"
>> dish.
>
>> Between the ground and the dish was about 1m clearance (the telescope
>> was still pointing about 30 degrees above the horizon, but 30 degrees
>> is the observing limit),
>
> Isn't Parkes the telescope with a ditch, to allow for a lower elevation
> limit?
A very slight ditch - maybe 0.5m
> (And if it is - didn't it once destroy the bridge?)
I do remember that on the Galileo mission, they needed to track as far
as possible becuase another scope was offline. So someone went outside
and sawed off the stops to get that extra few arcminutes.
I did hear something about the ATCA interfermeter crushing a service
caravan (and have observed as I was watching with nervousness as I
noticed another van awfully close to one of the dishes).
The Molonglo array (1.6km x 20m of continuous mesh) has crushed sheep,
as has The Dish. They munch the grass and don't notice several hundred
tons bearing down on them. Almost as stupid as lusers. Pity lusers
have a intinct to get out of the way.
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Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
at 12:12 AM, Dimitri Maziuk <di...@127.0.0.1> said:
>I have it on very good authority that slits that go A are an urban
>legend. Very common, esp. in primitive societies, but a UL
>nontheless.
Are you limiting the claim to H. Sap.?
Chris Suslowicz
Dimitri Maziuk <di...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz sez:
>> In <slrncaao3...@localhost.localdomain>, on 05/15/2004
>> at 12:12 AM, Dimitri Maziuk <di...@127.0.0.1> said:
>>
>>>I have it on very good authority that slits that go A are an urban
>>>legend. Very common, esp. in primitive societies, but a UL
>>>nontheless.
>>
>> Are you limiting the claim to H. Sap.?
>>
>
>Telescopes, it's all about telescopes.
Loopholes, OTOH...
Primitive ones were vertical.
Then vertical _and_ horizontal.
Followed by _just_ horizontal.
And now they're gas-tight.
Chris.
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
at 04:00 PM, Dimitri Maziuk <di...@127.0.0.1> said:
>Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz sez:
>> In <slrncaao3...@localhost.localdomain>, on 05/15/2004
>> at 12:12 AM, Dimitri Maziuk <di...@127.0.0.1> said:
>>
>>>I have it on very good authority that slits that go A are an urban
>>>legend. Very common, esp. in primitive societies, but a UL
>>>nontheless.
>>
>> Are you limiting the claim to H. Sap.?
>>
>Telescopes, it's all about telescopes.
Oh. On further reflection, the ambiguity was driving me to
diffraction.
Mike Andrews
> In <slrncahod...@localhost.localdomain>, on 05/17/2004
> at 04:00 PM, Dimitri Maziuk <di...@127.0.0.1> said:
> >Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz sez:
> >> In <slrncaao3...@localhost.localdomain>, on 05/15/2004
> >> at 12:12 AM, Dimitri Maziuk <di...@127.0.0.1> said:
> >>
> >>>I have it on very good authority that slits that go A are an urban
> >>>legend. Very common, esp. in primitive societies, but a UL
> >>>nontheless.
> >>
> >> Are you limiting the claim to H. Sap.?
> >>
> >Telescopes, it's all about telescopes.
> Oh. On further reflection, the ambiguity was driving me to
> diffraction.
Rayleigh?
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Joe Zeff
<spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote:
>In <slrncahod...@localhost.localdomain>, on 05/17/2004
> at 04:00 PM, Dimitri Maziuk <di...@127.0.0.1> said:
>
>>Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz sez:
>>> In <slrncaao3...@localhost.localdomain>, on 05/15/2004
>>> at 12:12 AM, Dimitri Maziuk <di...@127.0.0.1> said:
>>>
>>>>I have it on very good authority that slits that go A are an urban
>>>>legend. Very common, esp. in primitive societies, but a UL
>>>>nontheless.
>>>
>>> Are you limiting the claim to H. Sap.?
>>>
>
>>Telescopes, it's all about telescopes.
>
>Oh. On further reflection, the ambiguity was driving me to
>diffraction.
I find that grating.
--
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Robert Sneddon
<mi...@mikea.ath.cx> writes
>"Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote:
>> Oh. On further reflection, the ambiguity was driving me to
>> diffraction.
>
>Rayleigh?
That's my limit.
Coat? It's the quarter-wavelength. I'll get me doublet.
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Robert Sneddon
Jim
> >>>Telescopes, it's all about telescopes.
> >>
> >>Oh. On further reflection, the ambiguity was driving me to
> >>diffraction.
> >
> >I find that grating.
>
> Do we have to to go through the whole spectrum of optics-puns? This
> sort of thing is such a fringe interest.
You need better filters.
Jim
ObAstronomicalRecovery: I saw part of the Veil Nebula (Northern
extension of the Eastern loop) on Saturday! Woohoo! *And* C2001/Q4.
Kevin
>> >>Oh. On further reflection, the ambiguity was driving me to
>> >>diffraction.
>> >I find that grating.
>> Do we have to to go through the whole spectrum of optics-puns? This
>> sort of thing is such a fringe interest.
>You need better filters.
You mean he needs to focus on the good threads?
Kevin
Mike Andrews
> >You need better filters.
I coude do that, in my prime, when I was all light and Airy.
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cuz I've seen it - but for my 7-year-old."
Chris Suslowicz
Tanuki <mailer...@canismajor.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In <55ika056fuivni994...@4ax.com>, Joe Zeff <the.guy.with.
>the.si...@lasfs.org> said
>>On Mon, 17 May 2004 18:27:26 -0300, "Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz"
>><spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote:
>>>In <slrncahod...@localhost.localdomain>, on 05/17/2004
>>> at 04:00 PM, Dimitri Maziuk <di...@127.0.0.1> said:
>>>>Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz sez:
>>>>> In <slrncaao3...@localhost.localdomain>, on 05/15/2004
>>>>> at 12:12 AM, Dimitri Maziuk <di...@127.0.0.1> said:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I have it on very good authority that slits that go A are an urban
>>>>>>legend. Very common, esp. in primitive societies, but a UL
>>>>>>nontheless.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you limiting the claim to H. Sap.?
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>Telescopes, it's all about telescopes.
>>>
>>>Oh. On further reflection, the ambiguity was driving me to
>>>diffraction.
>>
>>I find that grating.
>
>Do we have to to go through the whole spectrum of optics-puns? This
>sort of thing is such a fringe interest.
Hopefully it's only a temporary aberration, or it may send me into a coma.
Chris.
Mike Andrews
> Satya <sat...@satyaonline.cjb.net> wrote:
> >On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 22:56:50 GMT, Joe Zeff wrote:
> >> On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 22:10:57 +0000 (UTC), - AJS <bogus @ nowhere.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>Tanuki <mailer...@canismajor.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>>>>Oh. On further reflection, the ambiguity was driving me to
> >>>>>>diffraction.
> >>>>>I find that grating.
> >>>>sort of thing is such a fringe interest.
> >> Much moire[1] of this and we'll be arguing in circles. The only
> >> question is, clockwise or counterclockwise.
> >
> >You're dotty. I think the only product of all this is a bunch of cross
> >people. Look into the past[0] and you'll see why. It's a knee-jerk
> >reflex[0].
> >
> >
> >[0] That's either lame or brilliant.
> My take on this is in stark contrast: It's not simply black and white. The
> process itself is important! Just look at what has developed so far...
I've been looking. It's pretty elliptical, so far.
--
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Bogdan Iamandei
> - AJS <bogus @ nowhere.com> wrote:
>> Satya <sat...@satyaonline.cjb.net> wrote:
>> >On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 22:56:50 GMT, Joe Zeff wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 22:10:57 +0000 (UTC), - AJS <bogus @ nowhere.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>Tanuki <mailer...@canismajor.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>>>>>Oh. On further reflection, the ambiguity was driving me to
>> >>>>>>diffraction.
>> >>>>>I find that grating.
>> >>>>Do we have to to go through the whole spectrum of optics-puns? This
>> >>>>sort of thing is such a fringe interest.
>> >>>It really polarizes the froup.
>> >> Much moire[1] of this and we'll be arguing in circles. The only
>> >> question is, clockwise or counterclockwise.
>> >
>> >You're dotty. I think the only product of all this is a bunch of cross
>> >people. Look into the past[0] and you'll see why. It's a knee-jerk
>> >reflex[0].
>> >
>> >
>> >[0] That's either lame or brilliant.
>
>> My take on this is in stark contrast: It's not simply black and white. The
>> process itself is important! Just look at what has developed so far...
>
> I've been looking. It's pretty elliptical, so far.
You need to focus more then. That or you need a completely different
view-angle.
Ino!~
--
I have seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire
off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark
near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time,
like tears in rain. Time to die.
Chris Suslowicz
mi...@mikea.ath.cx (Mike Andrews) wrote:
>- AJS <bogus @ nowhere.com> wrote:
>> Satya <sat...@satyaonline.cjb.net> wrote:
>> >On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 22:56:50 GMT, Joe Zeff wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 22:10:57 +0000 (UTC), - AJS <bogus @ nowhere.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>Tanuki <mailer...@canismajor.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>>>>>Oh. On further reflection, the ambiguity was driving me to
>> >>>>>>diffraction.
>> >>>>>I find that grating.
>> >>>>Do we have to to go through the whole spectrum of optics-puns? This
>> >>>>sort of thing is such a fringe interest.
>> >>>It really polarizes the froup.
>> >> Much moire[1] of this and we'll be arguing in circles. The only
>> >> question is, clockwise or counterclockwise.
>> >
>> >You're dotty. I think the only product of all this is a bunch of cross
>> >people. Look into the past[0] and you'll see why. It's a knee-jerk
>> >reflex[0].
>> >
>> >
>> >[0] That's either lame or brilliant.
>
>> My take on this is in stark contrast: It's not simply black and white. The
>> process itself is important! Just look at what has developed so far...
>
>I've been looking. It's pretty elliptical, so far.
That's because the cue-dots were hand-painted by Anna Morphic.
Chris.
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