how do we
bob
jmfbahciv
> start something like comp.sys.dec.pdp10?
Wouldn't it be easier, long-term, to train ISPs that not
all alts are porn nor binary?
/BAH
Bill Pechter
Yup... all I can do is vote with my wallet.
I WAS going to go to FIOS but will stay on Comcast until Verizon changes it's mind.
Creating comp.sys.pdp10/11/8 would be interesting.
It used to take voting and approvals. I don't know what it would take and how hard
it would be to get the ISP's to add it.
Didn't need that when I created alt group
Bill
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jmfbahciv
> In article <o7ednQpfLI8ln8DV...@rcn.net>,
> jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote:
>> bob wrote:
>>> start something like comp.sys.dec.pdp10?
>> Wouldn't it be easier, long-term, to train ISPs that not
>> all alts are porn nor binary?
>>
>> /BAH
>
> Yup... all I can do is vote with my wallet.
> I WAS going to go to FIOS but will stay on Comcast until Verizon changes it's mind.
> Creating comp.sys.pdp10/11/8 would be interesting.
I think my ISP just picks up the posts on google and transported them
to me after changing the contents into the format they used before
dropping the newserver hard/software biz.
>
> It used to take voting and approvals. I don't know what it would take and how hard
> it would be to get the ISP's to add it.
It sounds like there won't be additions allowed. It sounds like they're
all getting out of the hard/software newsgroup biz.
>
> Didn't need that when I created alt group
Well, that's the bug..not requiring some kind of vetting for new
public newsgroups.
/BAH
Morten Reistad
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote:
>Bill Pechter wrote:
>> In article <o7ednQpfLI8ln8DV...@rcn.net>,
>> jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote:
>>> bob wrote:
>>>> start something like comp.sys.dec.pdp10?
>>> Wouldn't it be easier, long-term, to train ISPs that not
>>> all alts are porn nor binary?
>>>
>>> /BAH
>>
>> Yup... all I can do is vote with my wallet.
>> I WAS going to go to FIOS but will stay on Comcast until Verizon changes it's mind.
>> Creating comp.sys.pdp10/11/8 would be interesting.
>
>I think my ISP just picks up the posts on google and transported them
>to me after changing the contents into the format they used before
>dropping the newserver hard/software biz.
You can check the headers to find out. News is distributed by
flooding, and links to other providers is usually straightforward to
set up. The software is some of the least bothersome to keep running.
>> It used to take voting and approvals. I don't know what it would take and how hard
>> it would be to get the ISP's to add it.
>
>It sounds like there won't be additions allowed. It sounds like they're
>all getting out of the hard/software newsgroup biz.
We could try. comp.sys.pdp10 anyone? This groups is more active then
a lot of comp groups.
I cannot see any change in the rules. It used to take a vote with 2/3rds
majority, and at least 100 more yes than no votes.
>> Didn't need that when I created alt group
>
>Well, that's the bug..not requiring some kind of vetting for new
>public newsgroups.
-- mrr
kkt
comp.sys.dec.pdp10 would be more consistent with existing group names.
Even prior to Verizon's latest, the comp groups get a lot more
distribution than the alt groups.
> I cannot see any change in the rules. It used to take a vote with 2/3rds
> majority, and at least 100 more yes than no votes.
I think it still takes that. Turnout is the biggest problem getting
new groups approved.
> >> Didn't need that when I created alt group
> >
> >Well, that's the bug..not requiring some kind of vetting for new
> >public newsgroups.
That's the difference between the alt groups and the Big 8.
-- Patrick
Magnus Olsson
>start something like comp.sys.dec.pdp10?
The process is described here:
http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=policies:creation
--
Magnus Olsson (m...@df.lth.se)
PGP Public Key available at http://www.df.lth.se/~mol
jmfbahciv
How long does it take to get a newsserver to add a new newsgroup?
/BAH
Johnny Billquist
> In article <o7ednQpfLI8ln8DV...@rcn.net>,
> jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote:
>> bob wrote:
>>> start something like comp.sys.dec.pdp10?
>> Wouldn't it be easier, long-term, to train ISPs that not
>> all alts are porn nor binary?
>>
>> /BAH
>
> Yup... all I can do is vote with my wallet.
> I WAS going to go to FIOS but will stay on Comcast until Verizon changes it's mind.
> Creating comp.sys.pdp10/11/8 would be interesting.
>
> It used to take voting and approvals. I don't know what it would take and how hard
> it would be to get the ISP's to add it.
>
> Didn't need that when I created alt group
That's the difference between alt.* and other hierachies. :-)
mkgroup commands coming in for alt.* are usually accepted without any further
intervention by newsservers around the world.
Other mkgroup commands usually are just passed on to the news administrator of
each server, which have to approve in some way the creation of the group. And
usually the "accepted" way to get administrators to approve the creation is by
having a vote on it in a specific newsgroup. I can't remember all the details
anymore, since it was so long since I played around with this stuff.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: b...@softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
kkt
As a policy matter, to add a Big 8 newsgroup, there's a discussion
period and a voting period. Once those are done, not long at all :)
-- Patrick
Rich Alderson
> In article <6pZ6k.168$zE6.67@trnddc02>, bob <sfm...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> start something like comp.sys.dec.pdp10?
> The process is described here:
> http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=policies:creation
I was last involved in creating a newsgroup when it was the Big 7; the
newsgroup we created was humanities.classics, which created the entire
humanities.* hierarchy and thereby the Big 8.
I'm willing to be the chief proponent for comp.sys.dec.pdp10 (and .pdp11 and
.pdp8, to cover the other alt.sys.pdp* groups), if this is what we want to do.
--
Rich Alderson "You get what anybody gets. You get a lifetime."
ne...@alderson.users.panix.com --Death, of the Endless
Pat Farrell
> I'm willing to be the chief proponent for comp.sys.dec.pdp10 (and .pdp11 and
> .pdp8, to cover the other alt.sys.pdp* groups), if this is what we want to do.
I would bet that it would be hard to get the proper votes. Not that I
expect folks would vote against it, but it takes 100 votes more for
"for" than against. We don't have that many regulars here.
Seems to me that usenet in general is dying, at least for legit groups
like this. Most of the action is in random forums, which I hate.
Then again, I'm old, and love old things like PDP-10s.
--
Pat Farrell
http://www.pfarrell.com/
kkt
> Rich Alderson wrote:
> > I'm willing to be the chief proponent for comp.sys.dec.pdp10 (and .pdp11 and
> > .pdp8, to cover the other alt.sys.pdp* groups), if this is what we want to do.
>
> I would bet that it would be hard to get the proper votes. Not that I
> expect folks would vote against it, but it takes 100 votes more for
> "for" than against. We don't have that many regulars here.
>
> Seems to me that usenet in general is dying, at least for legit groups
> like this. Most of the action is in random forums, which I hate.
Some people who don't regularly post here would probably be willing to
vote for it if we publicized it. I think it's worth a try.
-- Patrick
Andreas Eder
>>>>> "kkt" == kkt <k...@zipcon.net> writes:
kkt> Some people who don't regularly post here would probably be willing to
kkt> vote for it if we publicized it. I think it's worth a try.
Certainly so. Though I'm only a lurker, I love to read about the
pdps, so I would vote for a comp gruop.
'Andreas
--
ceterum censeo redmondinem esse delendam.
jmfbahciv
> Bill Pechter skrev:
>> In article <o7ednQpfLI8ln8DV...@rcn.net>,
>> jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote:
>>> bob wrote:
>>>> start something like comp.sys.dec.pdp10?
>>> Wouldn't it be easier, long-term, to train ISPs that not
>>> all alts are porn nor binary?
>>>
>>> /BAH
>>
>> Yup... all I can do is vote with my wallet.
>> I WAS going to go to FIOS but will stay on Comcast until Verizon
>> changes it's mind.
>> Creating comp.sys.pdp10/11/8 would be interesting.
>>
>> It used to take voting and approvals. I don't know what it would take
>> and how hard
>> it would be to get the ISP's to add it.
>>
>> Didn't need that when I created alt group
>
> That's the difference between alt.* and other hierachies. :-)
>
> mkgroup commands coming in for alt.* are usually accepted without any
> further intervention by newsservers around the world.
It appears that isn't going to happen any more.
<snip>
/BAH
jmfbahciv
for them to "approve" the addition.
/BAH
Morten Reistad
We could run a real campaign. Buttons for "36 bits 36 years ago" ,
"DIGITAL had it them", "have you hugged your 36-bitter today",
"4 more bits!" etc.
On the national group we could play the ethnic tolerance card. The
small language groups are virtually free of abuse, because the language
is an effective barrier, so there is no kiddie porn argument there.
But most small languages groups have benign, free hosts.
-- mrr
Jean-Marc Bourguet
> Rich Alderson wrote:
>> I'm willing to be the chief proponent for comp.sys.dec.pdp10 (and .pdp11 and
>> .pdp8, to cover the other alt.sys.pdp* groups), if this is what we want to do.
>
> I would bet that it would be hard to get the proper votes. Not that I
> expect folks would vote against it, but it takes 100 votes more for
> "for" than against. We don't have that many regulars here.
My understanding -- from the link which was posted sometimes ago -- was
that the rules changed and there is no more a vote open to the public.
There is a discussion and then a comittee decides...
Yours,
--
Jean-Marc
kkt
It'll continue to happen for any sites that receive alt groups.
That's still most of them, even though some big providers are
stopping.
-- Patrick