PB680 upgrade Winchip or Intel
John Facey, II
motherboard. I've decided to upgrade my 200mhz to a 233mmx. And is IDT
winchip a good for a PB machine(like do i have to fiddle with bios) or
should i just get a intel based 233mmx. PB680 also says it supports pentium
overdrive chip is that any good
Antiph3d
Ray's site has kick ass info on overclocking. I dont have Ray's URL on hand
but I'm willing to bet that the next post under mine will have it.
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ROBKABOB 1
>are there other processors like powerleap that will go into the pb680
>motherboard. I've decided to upgrade my 200mhz to a 233mmx. And is IDT
>winchip a good for a PB machine(like do i have to fiddle with bios) or
>should i just get a intel based 233mmx. PB680 also says it supports pentium
>overdrive chip is that any good
>
>
let me know the route you take, i'm contemplating the same exact thing. i think
that evergreen comes with the bios upgrade.
Antiph3d
than Packard Bell Tech support could ever wish to help.
Here you go.
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lakes/8774/
Ray
As far as the PB 680 goes it does not need a BIOS upgrade it will work
with the existing PB BIOS. This is a definite Plus.
If you are going to put a Winchip 233 in you may be able to put just the
chip in as I think the voltages are compatable, you might just want to
check. Meaning the winchip runs at 3.3 volts, no dual voltage is
required.
The information I have also suggest that you could put in a higher
winchip such as a 240 with a powerLeap adapter.
Of course you can buy a Product such as the evergreen MXPro in the 200
or 240 speeds and plug it in. Yes the evergreen comes with a BIOS, but
you will not need it. Atlest tests I did on my Mom's PB 680 said that
her system would not need a BIOS upgrade for the winchip which is what
is in the evergreen.
Others paths to upgrade the PB 680 are the Powerleap adapter with an AMD
K6 or Cyrix processor, however both of these require the BIOS upgrade.
It can be done however it is not as easy as the previous upgrades,
because the BIOS upgrade can sometimes require reformating of the hard
drive or other similar quarks which are not a big deal if you know what
you are doing. Also the folks at Mr. BIOS have not been as helpful as
they should be latley. The advantage of this route is it prepare you
for further upgrades, for example I am hoping to replace my 300 MHz AMD
K6-2 with a 400 MHz soon, hopefully with the same BIOS and with the same
PowerLeap adapter. It will only cost the price of the new chip.
The winchip or evergreen route is a good one for simplicity. And if you
want to get a little more performance out of the winchip try the
PowerLeap control panel it will let you change some setting in the CPU
that you would not normaly be able to get to with out the Powerlepa
control pannel. Best of all the PowerLeap control pannel is free simply
by downloading at www.powerleap.com.
Good luck, check out my upgrade section for more info on the above and
please post your questions as thier are many here that can help you out
more then I can.
Good luck
Ray
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ROBKABOB 1
ever give. (if your willing to wait hours on hold)
John Facey, II
Evergreen MxPro and so far it seems to have bossted my performance a lot but
then again i think my pentium was just kinda badly made.
ROBKABOB 1 wrote in message <19981128025107...@ng116.aol.com>...
Mike
it works flawlessly. Any other cpu will need a bios change and that's a pain.
Id avoid it if you can. The intel upgrade is so much easier and a overdrive is
not what you need to just go to 233. Its better to change the cpu. Also the
change from 200mhz to 233 is hardly noticeable so I wouldn't invest much in the
upgrade.
Antiph3d wrote:
> If you're only gonna up it to 233 why don't you just overclock it?
> Ray's site has kick ass info on overclocking. I dont have Ray's URL on hand
> but I'm willing to bet that the next post under mine will have it.
> John Facey, II <jfa...@cyberramp.net> wrote in message
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"John Facey, II" <jfa...@cyberramp.net> wrote:
> Yeah thanks Ray your site is awesome. I wne t otu today and bought the
> Evergreen MxPro and so far it seems to have bossted my performance a lot but
> then again i think my pentium was just kinda badly made.
Has anyone run any benchmarks for the IDT Winchip (The Evergreen Technologies
version specifically). I have a 120Mhz version of the PB680 O/C'd to 133Mhz.
I just wonder if the floating point of the IDT will be any better than I have
now. Wintune shows about 82 Mflops.
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replaced the original P100 chip that was in the computer. their software said
it was running at 200mmx, but real world tests revealed it was really no faster
than my P100. With nuts & bolts, sisoft sandra, and others benchmarked the chip
at 133. The FPU was so low it was pathetic. Stay away from these. I actually
just gave the chip away to a friend today. It was a good $100.00 lesson for me.
Gary951s(AT)mindspring.com
Gary
the nuts & bolts one I saved last week. it's in the wintune 97 format so you can
import it & alto in TXT format. This was run on a PB600.
ftp.galstar.com/users/ghandley/download
For those of you that just want the numberws here they are:
Evergreen MxPro 200MMX
clock rate 167
dhrystone 240 mips
whetstone 41 mflops
Intel genuine 200mmx overdrive chip
clock rate 200
dhrystone 343 mips
whetstone 93 mflops
This test was made on the very same computer with no additional changes. As you
can see, the winchip just doesn't cut the mustard. I paid $100.00 for the
evergreen, and $165.00 for the intel (at www.hardwarestreet.com) The intel was
worth the extra $65.00, but for almost the same money I could have gotten the
powerleap K6/2 300! (like I did on my PB680) But I didn't read Ray's web sight in
time!
Good luck,
Gary
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John Facey, II
what a winchip. I had the hardest time finding a winchip near me(Evergreen)
and my system has been more stable and faster. Most of the store I went to
said at one point they carried winchips. They were considered a good
upgrade from 486 to pentium. Unfortnauntly most 486 and some pentiums said
the chip was a 486 and in some cases lower even though the chip was more
like a 200. since most people use mainstream chips the testers can only
detect mainstream chips. I did my own test i ran programs and saw they were
running better. Basically if your machine says 486 after you put in a a
fster chip hopefully you can tell the diffrerence. This information was
given to me from Fry's Electronics, Best Buy & previous retailers of
winchips. And for any one who cares the only place i found with the
Evergreen MxPro was Circuit City
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Gary
I hate to tell you, but I contacted evergreen personally because I was upset I
wasn't getting 200 speed. Their tech support tols me to use sisift sandra. He
said it benchmarks the chip correctly. I had sisoft sandra installed and it
showed 133. Nuts & bolts 98 (which I have) says It's a IDT winchip 233. But
when you go to benchmark it, the winchip actually runs at 133 real world speed.
I out this chip in a friends IBM aspire 133 yesterday, it says pentium MMX , but
again runs at 136. He has already called me today and wants to swap it back as
his intel 133 non mmx chip was faster. He just juged this by real use, no
benchmarks.
I have actually used both chips back to back. I can say the winchip is no
faster than a good P100 non mmx chip. and it is definately half as fast as the
intel 200 mmx overdrive chip i replaced it with. Sorry.
A good example is photoshop 4 w/mmx support. I could launch the program, open
an image & close it faster with the intel P100 non mmx than I could with the
evergreen MxPro 200 with MMX.
If you could compare it back to back with a real 200mmx chip like I did, you
would see what I am talking about. it's not just a "benchmark" mistake.
Good Luck,
Gary
John Facey, II
crashes now that i got a winchip in here it dosen't crash anymore. I
already know a guy who want to my the whole machine from me. After i sell
this thing i'll just go get a cheap AMD or Cyrix. I'm not sure if all my
programs are running faster with the Evergreen but then seem to be much
stabler. Usually i can crash any program in less than an hour. I've had the
chip running for over an 6 hours and one hour with more than 90% resources
taken up. I'm not extremly too concerned with it since i plan to sell it
John Facey, II
programs crashing where as the winchip was the one i ran for hours and did
not crash. I think in my last post i said that kinda confusing
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Gary
As long as your system is stable, and you are content, that's all that's
important.
Thanks,
Gary
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