Windows 7
BK
price .
(My son owns a company that has just bought a new laptop with a 7 upgrade
from vista but he doesn't want the upgrade)
It is a Toshiba Laptop that he bought so the question is ..... Will the
upgrade run on a dell Inspiron 1720 running Vista ? or is it only for
Toshiba . Apologies if it is a daft question but I don't want to waste my
money.
Regards
BK
Tom Scales
1) Will it work, probably
2) Is it legal? No.
You can't move an upgrade from one machine to another. It is licensed
to the machine that it is upgrading.
Tom
BK
Bk
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Daave
Typically, Upgrades are Retail and are therefore transferrable. (If an
OEM has a special offer and sends out an OEM DVD for Windows 7, then
this type of "upgrade" would be non-transferrable.) What is not
transferrable is the qualifying OS in the event it is an OEM license.
But if you have another PC that has a qualifying OS (OEM or Retail -- it
doesn't matter), then the Upgrade license (which is Retail) *does*
permit transferring -- as long as Windows 7 is removed from the other
PC.
Just read the EULA.
BK
I installed Vista business on this Toshiba pc, there was a leaflet with it
stating that a windows 7 professional upgrade was available for a very
reduced price.(30GBP)
My son isnt interested about the upgrade and suggested I use it.
I was checking that it would work on a vista home premium Dell pc.
Regards
BK
regards
Brian
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RnR
For what it's worth, I read this morning about 2/3 of people using
windows 7 upgrade are having difficulties and a lot of complaints are
now flooding Microsoft about it. Of course I can't say if all the
complaints are really MS's fault but the point is that the upgrade
path may have bugs or difficulties. Another way to look at it is
that the other 1/3 have had no problem. My point is just be aware of
this.
On a side topic, from what I read on a technician's newsletter,
windows 7 isn't really a big step up from xp but it is for vista.
Personally I'll wait a bit before I run windows 7 as my main OS tho I
have been testing it a little off and on.
BK
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Thanks for that.
I Think I may wait a bit
Regards
BK
Daave
or not an Upgrade license is transferrable. As long as it is the
standard *Retail* version like the one listed here:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116714
... then, yes, it is transferrable.
But I doubt Toshiba would ship out a Retail Upgrade DVD for Windows 7
Professional for only 30 pounds! I would imagine it is a unique OEM disk
that most likely wouldn't work with your Dell. And I would imagine the
license would be for installation on that particular Toshiba, anyway.
In the event you ever do wish to upgrade to Windows 7, I would strongly
urge that you make an image of your hard drive the way it is -- just in
case you decide to revert to your old system with XP.
BillW50
RnR typed on Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:26:11 -0500:
> For what it's worth, I read this morning about 2/3 of people using
> windows 7 upgrade are having difficulties and a lot of complaints are
> now flooding Microsoft about it.
Hmm... I like to say I keep up with these things, but I haven't heard
this before. Interesting.
> Of course I can't say if all the complaints are really MS's fault but
> the point is that the upgrade path may have bugs or difficulties.
> Another way to look at it is that the other 1/3 have had no problem.
> My point is just be aware of this.
>
> On a side topic, from what I read on a technician's newsletter,
> windows 7 isn't really a big step up from xp but it is for vista.
I don't understand this? Vista and Windows 7 are very similar. IMHO, if
you like Vista, you would likely like Windows 7. Although if you don't
like Vista, you may not like Windows 7.
> Personally I'll wait a bit before I run windows 7 as my main OS tho I
> have been testing it a little off and on.
I am running two evaluation versions (one on the netbook) and preordered
two copies of 'Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Upgrade' back in July.
Now I regret it as they are just sitting on the shelf unopened. <sigh>
--
Bill
Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) - Windows XP SP2
Daave
> For what it's worth, I read this morning about 2/3 of people using
> windows 7 upgrade are having difficulties and a lot of complaints are
> now flooding Microsoft about it.
If this is an online article, please post a link; I'd like to read it.
Thx.
BK
RnR
Well I read several articles / newsletters more or less saying the
same thing early this morning but here's one that talks about the
upgrade woes....
http://www.pcworld.com/article/174342/windows_7_upgrade_woes_mount_endless_reboots_and_product_key_problems.html
Google on "windows 7 upgrade problems" and you can see more. I also
read that some window 7 workarounds are illegal per MS. I'd rather
not give that reference because I might give some people ideas how to
sorta pirate windows 7. It's not my business if they pirate but I
don't want to teach them how to.
RnR
I think ??? the reason they said a big step up from Vista was the
compatibility, stability and speed enhancements. I don't recall them
telling the exact reason so this is my best guess for now till I can
re-read that article.
Bill, how come you aren't opening the pkgs ? How do you like win 7
on the netbook so far?
Bob Levine
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My experience is that operating system upgrades are a disaster waiting to
happen. That said, I've installed Win 7 on two machines, my desktop which I
used OEM Win 7 Ultimate 64 and my MacBook which used a Win 7 Home Premium 32
upgrade.
I had some issues on the MacBook until I found out that a) there were Boot
Camp permission issues that were keeping the installer from copying setup
files to the harddrive and b) the upgrade disks don't seem to require
verification of an earlier version.
The desktop install took all of 16 minutes from start to finish. No need for
drivers or any of that other stuff. It was ready to go.
The MacBook went just fine after I uninstalled the Boot Camp services. I did
a clean upgrade install where Windows packages the old installation in a
windows.old folder. This of course took longer than the clean install on the
desktop but went off without a hitch. I did this BEFORE I found out I could
install it without the earlier version on the drive.
Both machines activated without a hitch. Vista drivers work for my scanner
and my Dell 3100 printer had drivers for the postscript side of things which
was good since Dell only had PCL drivers.
Overall, I'm enjoying Windows 7.
Bob
RnR
wrote:
Thanks Bob for your input and experiences with win 7. Just curious,
anything in particular that you like about win 7 and what OS were you
using prior?
totfit
>For what it's worth, I read this morning about 2/3 of people using
>windows 7 upgrade are having difficulties and a lot of complaints are
>now flooding Microsoft about it. Of course I can't say if all the
>complaints are really MS's fault but the point is that the upgrade
>path may have bugs or difficulties. Another way to look at it is
>that the other 1/3 have had no problem. My point is just be aware of
>this.
There are no problems with the upgrade unless you are actually using
the upgrade and not the clean install. Even then there are few issues.
A clean install is the way to go and you can easily just copy the
Application Data from .windows old directly into the new installation.
>
>On a side topic, from what I read on a technician's newsletter,
>windows 7 isn't really a big step up from xp but it is for vista.
>Personally I'll wait a bit before I run windows 7 as my main OS tho I
>have been testing it a little off and on.
Just the opposite.
totfit
Compatibility, stability is exactly the same as Vista. There are some
speed improvements however and some improved desktop functionality.
Bob Levine
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Moving from Vista Ultimate 64 desktop and Vista Home Premium 32 on MacBook
via Boot Camp.
In no particular order:
Home group and libraries make sharing a snap.
Networking improved.
UI improvements such as the snap feature, pin to task bar, aero shake (I
admit some people may hate that one) rollover previews.
Less intrusive UAC.
Quicker boot, smaller footprint and piece of cake installation.
If it worked in Vista, it will work (probably better) in Win 7 including
most drivers. On the other side of the coin, if you have a Celeron with less
than a gig of RAM stick with XP.
In short, it is, IMO, a very polished operating system. It's what Vista
should have been.
I have never moved to a new operating system before it was a year old until
this one. AFAIC, it's ready. There's no need to wait.
Bob
RnR
wrote:
I agree with you.... I always prefer a clean install. I think I once
upgraded an OS and it was a bad experience. I know and prefer a clean
install.
I'll have to re-read that technician's newsletter but I think I got it
right what they said. I don't think they thought much of vista.
Ben Myers
For Microsoft, "Upgrade" version has always been a misnomer. As with
Win 7, the best approach with the upgrade version is a clean install.
Then why call it "upgrade"? Doing so allows Microsoft to undercut its
own tightly controlled list price for the non-upgrade version, and this
helps them sell lots of copies to unwitting owners. Unwitting, because
they get conned into actually trying to upgrade on top of their
previously installed OS. When people run into problems, Microsoft
effectively turns a deaf ear, providing little or no support, unless you
want to pay so-many dollars a minute to their paid support line... Ben Myers
Daave
Camper
No mention in that article about 2/3 of upgrades having difficulties. I am
not surprised these is no reference to the 2/3 as how would anyone know the
number of upgrades that did not have any problems?
Camper
Tom Lake
> am not surprised these is no reference to the 2/3 as how would anyone know
> the number of upgrades that did not have any problems?
They know the total number of upgrades. They know the number of problems.
The number without problems is total_upgrades - problem_upgrades.
Then to get the ratio:
(total_upgrades - problem_upgrades) / total_upgrades
Tom Lake
BillW50
RnR typed on Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:10:37 -0500:
> I think ??? the reason they said a big step up from Vista was the
> compatibility, stability and speed enhancements. I don't recall them
> telling the exact reason so this is my best guess for now till I can
> re-read that article.
Oh okay.
> Bill, how come you aren't opening the pkgs ?
What for? As I already have Windows 7 Ultimate RC running on two
computers. And they are supposed to work until March 2010. And my
unopened boxes are Windows 7 Home Premium Upgrade versions. So that
would be a step down to replace them with Home anyway.
> How do you like win 7 on the netbook so far?
Well I am not a big fan of Vista/Windows 7 anyway. The OS does too much
hand holding for my tastes. And slaps your hand when it doesn't like
what you are doing.
Aside from my bias, Windows 7 is a bit slow on netbooks and other slow
CPU systems. Oh it boots fast to the desktop in record time and all like
people are raving about. But also add up the time it also takes to get
your email from boot and it isn't really that fast at all. And it is
much slower than XP. Although XP actually flies on such machines with
enough RAM. But if I liked Windows 7 in the first place and installed a
faster drive. It probably would be acceptable. ;-)
--
Bill
Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Windows XP SP2
RnR
Right no mention of fractions but if you do the math..... 2600 + 1400
= 4000 questions of which 1400 remain unanswered. That's about 1/3
of their calls unanswered or unresolved, 2/3 answered or resolved.
RnR
Just to add to my post above, I did mistake 2/3 for 1/3. I should
have said 1/3 are having upgrade problems not 2/3. My point was not
so much the math but that before one might upgrade, they might want to
be aware of the potential problems some people are complaining about
to MS. And there are other articles about these pitfalls too.
Camper, I'll give you credit for my math but give me a break <grin>.
som...@somewhere.com
Microsoft deferred 1.47 billion in income from windows 7
Those 4000 people really bought expensive software
Camper
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Microsoft might know that but not outside parties.
Camper
Tom Lake
>> (total_upgrades - problem_upgrades) / total_upgrades
>>
>> Tom Lake
>
> Microsoft might know that but not outside parties.
>
Trackers have a very good idea. Order numbers are reported
by all the major retailers both online and brick-and-mortar.
It's not exact down to the last copy (Microsoft sells some
directly) but it's close enough for good estimates.
Tom Lake
rogespeed
> GUEST wrote:
> Hi All I have the opportunity to get windows 7 pro at a very cheap
legit
> price .
> (My son owns a company that has just bought a new laptop with a 7
upgrade
> from vista but he doesn't want the upgrade)
> It is a Toshiba Laptop that he bought so the question is .....
Will the
> upgrade run on a dell Inspiron 1720 running Vista ? or is it only
for
waste my
> money.
> Regards
> BK
I think the low cost upgrade license might be vendor
restricted - because is a special offer by a particular vendor for
marketing purposes - (computer vendors are not a charity) and so
understandably will resent being attached to another vendor's system
- which means will be most likely unsupported by MS if attached to
another vendor computer
(MS have all the system builder pack numbers cross referenced with
activated system details incl native licenses)
Justbob30
trouble with the upgrade hanging 2/3 of the way through... you really don't
think m/s has only sold 3900 copies of win 7 do you?
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> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:16:29 -0000, "BK"
>>>> Hi All I have the opportunity to get windows 7 pro at a very cheap
>>>> legit
>>>>
>>>> price .
>>>> (My son owns a company that has just bought a new laptop with a 7
>>>> upgrade
>>>> from vista but he doesn't want the upgrade)
>>>> It is a Toshiba Laptop that he bought so the question is ..... Will
>>>> the
>>>> upgrade run on a dell Inspiron 1720 running Vista ? or is it only for
>>>> Toshiba . Apologies if it is a daft question but I don't want to
>>>> waste my
>>>> money.
>>>> Regards
>>>> BK
>>>
>>>
>
>
> For what it's worth, I read this morning about 2/3 of people using
> windows 7 upgrade are having difficulties and a lot of complaints are
> now flooding Microsoft about it. Of course I can't say if all the
> complaints are really MS's fault but the point is that the upgrade
> path may have bugs or difficulties. Another way to look at it is
> that the other 1/3 have had no problem. My point is just be aware of
> this.
RnR
wrote:
>Wow, great reading comprehension, it says about 2600 people are having
>trouble with the upgrade hanging 2/3 of the way through... you really don't
>think m/s has only sold 3900 copies of win 7 do you?
>
Read my other posts. It might explain better.