FS: 486 Laptop - compaq Contura 420
Rory O'Connor
486DX4-75 Mhz.
16 MB RAM.
250 MB HDD.
Built-in 3.5-inch, 1.44MB FDD.
10.25-inch color screen.
2 PCMCIA Type II slots.
Ports (1 ea) - serial, parallel, VGA, PS/2 keyboard/mouse
(combined
- use either, or Y-adapter cable for both??), docking.
Trackball built into keyboard surface in front of space bar.
Battery - 2, "weak" Used, hold some charge about 10-15 minutes;
no guarantees.
AC adapter.
Good condition.
Asking $150
I also having a docking base for it - has bay for charging extra
battery
in addtion to the ports mentioned above plus separate ports for PS/2
keyboard and mouse. Add $25
Buyer to pay shipping if not local to Raleigh-Durham, NC (should be
about $15 via USPS).
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Rory O'Connor
> On Fri, 10 Nov 2000 22:08:53 GMT, you wrote:
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> > Subject: FS: 486 Laptop - compaq Contura 420
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> Ads do NOT belong in either <alt.sys.pc-clone.compaq> or <comp.sys.laptops>;
> these are DISCUSSION groups ONLY. Please confine such posts to the
> appropriate newsgroups within the biz.*, *.forsale.*, and *.marketplace.*
> heirarchies.
>
> Thank you for your understanding and future cooperation.
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> -- Jay T. Blocksom
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Sorry, I did not realize this was a no-no since I have seen so many other such
"FS:" postings to these groups. Have you notified the other posters? Do you so
notify such violators on as frequent a basis as they post? Are you the
moderator?
I sold a laptop to someone in Texas some time ago who spotted it in
comp.sys.laptops, and would not have otherwise (I believe) noticed it in the
newsgroup for my area, triangle.forsale. Does this restriction not deprive
interested parties of such "cross-region" transactions between consenting
adults? I figure people who wish to block out such postings can easily set up a
filter for the commonly used "FS:" subject line prefix.
I know I have resorted to looking in those groups for FS: postings when I am
looking for something related to laptops (more or less an experimental hobby
business ;-), since these seem like logical places to look.
What do the rest of y'all in these groups think? Is this a "violation of
netiquette"?
TIA
Lee H.
wrote:
>Sorry, I did not realize this was a no-no since I have seen so many other such
>"FS:" postings to these groups. Have you notified the other posters? Do you so
>notify such violators on as frequent a basis as they post? Are you the
>moderator?
>
>I sold a laptop to someone in Texas some time ago who spotted it in
>comp.sys.laptops, and would not have otherwise (I believe) noticed it in the
>newsgroup for my area, triangle.forsale. Does this restriction not deprive
>interested parties of such "cross-region" transactions between consenting
>adults? I figure people who wish to block out such postings can easily set up a
>filter for the commonly used "FS:" subject line prefix.
>
>I know I have resorted to looking in those groups for FS: postings when I am
>looking for something related to laptops (more or less an experimental hobby
>business ;-), since these seem like logical places to look.
>
>What do the rest of y'all in these groups think? Is this a "violation of
>netiquette"?
>
>TIA
It probably is, but as long as the items involved are are specific to that
particular newsgroup, I don't have a problem. Where better to find the
parts you need, as well as info, than on a world-wide Compaq users' forum?
I see many requests on here for parts--is no one allowed to offer them?
Keep it specific to the Newsgroup.
Keep it short--followups and more info at your email address.
(and this last one is my pet peeve: )
Tell people what part of this great, wide world you're located in.
--
Lee H., in beautiful Kamloops, British Columbia, Canada.
Jay T. Blocksom
On Tue, 14 Nov 2000 01:25:33 GMT, in <comp.sys.laptops>, Rory O'Connor
<Fa...@localhost.net> wrote:
>
> "Jay T. Blocksom" wrote:
>
[snip]
Can any any of your three functioning brain cells grasp the concept that
posting a private E-Mail message to a public newsgroup without the sender's
explicit permission is, in and of itself, quite unethical?
But then, you're a spammer -- so why should I expect you to have any sense
of ethics...
> > Ads do NOT belong in either <alt.sys.pc-clone.compaq> or
> > <comp.sys.laptops>; these are DISCUSSION groups ONLY. Please confine
> > such posts to the appropriate newsgroups within the biz.*, *.forsale.*,
> > and *.marketplace.* heirarchies.
> >
> > Thank you for your understanding and future cooperation.
> >
[snip]
> I sold a laptop to someone in Texas some time ago who spotted it in
> comp.sys.laptops, and would not have otherwise (I believe) noticed it in
> the newsgroup for my area, triangle.forsale. Does this restriction not
> deprive interested parties of such "cross-region" transactions between
> consenting adults?
[snip]
Reading -- let alone comprehending -- is not your forté, is it?
In the case of a "for sale" ad for laptop (i.e., portable) computer being
offered by a private individual, the appropriate newsgroup would be:
<misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.portables>, which is propagated
WORLD-WIDE.
Of course, had you bothered to read the "Beginner" FAQs posted regularly to
such groups as <news.announce.newusers>, <news.groups.questions>,
<news.newusers.questions>, <news.answers> and <alt.answers>, you'd already
know that.
Rory O'Connor
> [Posted & Mailed to: <roo...@nc.rr.com>]
>
> On Tue, 14 Nov 2000 01:25:33 GMT, in <comp.sys.laptops>, Rory O'Connor
> <Fa...@localhost.net> wrote:
> >
> > "Jay T. Blocksom" wrote:
> >
> [snip]
>
> Can any any of your three functioning brain cells grasp the concept that
> posting a private E-Mail message to a public newsgroup without the sender's
> explicit permission is, in and of itself, quite unethical?
Since you were chastising me about postings to public news groups, I thought it
appropriate to seek their input on this matter. I did not see anything about
confidentiality about this ng-related matter in your email. Are you trying to
hide something from others who have a stake in this?
I see you did not answer my questions about whether you are the moderator for
these groups, nor as to whether you pursue this apparently self-appointed
policing role consistently with respect to other "For Sale" posters.
>
>
> But then, you're a spammer -- so why should I expect you to have any sense
> of ethics...
Yeah, right - I'm loading up peoples' inboxes - sure.
>
>
>
> > > Ads do NOT belong in either <alt.sys.pc-clone.compaq> or
> > > <comp.sys.laptops>; these are DISCUSSION groups ONLY. Please confine
> > > such posts to the appropriate newsgroups within the biz.*, *.forsale.*,
> > > and *.marketplace.* heirarchies.
> > >
> > > Thank you for your understanding and future cooperation.
> > >
> [snip]
>
> > I sold a laptop to someone in Texas some time ago who spotted it in
> > comp.sys.laptops, and would not have otherwise (I believe) noticed it in
> > the newsgroup for my area, triangle.forsale. Does this restriction not
> > deprive interested parties of such "cross-region" transactions between
> > consenting adults?
> [snip]
>
> Reading -- let alone comprehending -- is not your forté, is it?
>
> In the case of a "for sale" ad for laptop (i.e., portable) computer being
> offered by a private individual, the appropriate newsgroup would be:
> <misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.portables>, which is propagated
> WORLD-WIDE.
>
Which has ZERO entries with my news server, so is of no pratical use.
>
> Of course, had you bothered to read the "Beginner" FAQs posted regularly to
> such groups as <news.announce.newusers>, <news.groups.questions>,
> <news.newusers.questions>, <news.answers> and <alt.answers>, you'd already
> know that.
Maybe if you had quoted the appropriate passages to me, I might have given them
due consideration. There's far too much arcana in stuff like that for me to add
to my overwhelming to-be-read list, when it seemed common-sensical to follow
practices of other "For Sale" posters to these groups which I have observed.
>
>
> -- Jay T. Blocksom
> ----------------------------
> Appropriate Technology, Inc.
> approtek[at]rcn.com
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I would just like to determine what most reasonable people think is appropriate
for this kind of situation.
How about taking your personal insults, impatience, intolerance, and
self-righteousness, and feeding 'em back into your own inbox? See how you like
it!
Peace
Emanuel Brown
<fake...@localhost.net> wrote:
>> Can any any of your three functioning brain cells grasp the concept that
>> posting a private E-Mail message to a public newsgroup without the sender's
>> explicit permission is, in and of itself, quite unethical?
>
>Since you were chastising me about postings to public news groups, I thought it
>appropriate to seek their input on this matter. I did not see anything about
>confidentiality about this ng-related matter in your email. Are you trying to
>hide something from others who have a stake in this?
He's right, though - it's considered bad netiquette to post private
e-mail to the groups. Personally, I disagree with this - I think some
people use the rule to harass people via e-mail in a manner they'd
never use in public and should be exposed (a female friend was treated
that way a while back) and the rule tends to protect them.
>
>I see you did not answer my questions about whether you are the moderator for
>these groups, nor as to whether you pursue this apparently self-appointed
>policing role consistently with respect to other "For Sale" posters.
A group that's moderated says so in the title - Jay's a
self-appointed net-cop and does indeed pursue other posters on the
group about this. If the group were moderated, he could have simply
canceled your post and we'd never have seen it.
The bottom line, in my experience, is this: As a rule, you are not
supposed to post FS or FA ads to a discussion group on Usenet. The
reality is that most people on comp.sys.laptops simply don't give a
damn either way; it's been discussed previously by the regulars here a
few times before, and it's generally felt that a) we aren't getting
swamped with ads to the point that it interferes with discussion and
b) most people happen to like hearing about stuff up for sale.
Emanuel (people feel the same way on the mailing list I admin)
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Jay T. Blocksom
On Sat, 18 Nov 2000 07:36:42 GMT, Rory O'Connor <fake...@localhost.net>
wrote:
>
[snip]
> > Can any any of your three functioning brain cells grasp the concept
> > that posting a private E-Mail message to a public newsgroup without the
> > sender's explicit permission is, in and of itself, quite unethical?
>
> Since you were chastising me about postings to public news groups, I
> thought it appropriate to seek their input on this matter.
[snip]
And, obviously, the answer to my question is "No."
Suffice it to say, you thought wrong.
> I did not see anything about
> confidentiality about this ng-related matter in your email.
[snip]
You _shouldn't_ have needed to.
> Are you trying to hide something from others who have a stake in this?
>
[snip]
Not at all. It's simply a matter of:
A. - Long-standing and well-established codes of conduct; and...
B. - What is or is not appropriate for discussion in this venue.
My E-Mail to you was simply a polite request that you follow those same
long-standing and well-established codes of conduct. As such, you were the
ONLY one who needed to see it; so it would have served no purpose (other
than to embarrass you still further) to post it publicly. Additionally,
posting it publicly would further clutter this newsgroup with off-topic
material -- just as this thread is doing now, which is why I previously
directed ALL follow-ups to another (more-appropriate) newsgroup. (Which,
BTW, raises the question of why you _deliberately_ re-crossposted it back to
<alt.sys.pc-clone.compaq> and <comp.sys.laptops>. Hmmmm...?).
> I see you did not answer my questions about whether you are the moderator
> for these groups, nor as to whether you pursue this apparently
> self-appointed policing role consistently with respect to other "For
> Sale" posters.
>
[snip]
Because those questions (as well as whatever answers to them I might give)
are irrelevant.
> > In the case of a "for sale" ad for laptop (i.e., portable) computer
> > being offered by a private individual, the appropriate newsgroup would
> > be: <misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.portables>, which is propagated
> > WORLD-WIDE.
> >
>
> Which has ZERO entries with my news server, so is of no pratical use.
>
[snip]
In which case, either your newsreader is broken/misconfigured, or the NNTP
server you use is broken. If the former, fix your software. If the latter,
contact your news admin to advise him of the problem, so he/she can fix it.
In neither case does this justify your posting off-topic material where it
_clearly_ does not belong.
> > Of course, had you bothered to read the "Beginner" FAQs posted
> > regularly to such groups as <news.announce.newusers>,
> > <news.groups.questions>, <news.newusers.questions>, <news.answers> and
> > <alt.answers>, you'd already know that.
>
> Maybe if you had quoted the appropriate passages to me, I might have
> given them due consideration.
[snip]
You expect me to do your homework for you?
> There's far too much arcana in stuff like that for me to add
> to my overwhelming to-be-read list,
[snip]
Translation: "I couldn't be bothered to learn what I'm doing; I'd rather
just mindlessly spew."
> ... when it seemed common-sensical to
> follow practices of other "For Sale" posters to these groups which I have
> observed.
>
[snip]
So now you're trying to make the case that two (or two hundred) wrongs make
a right?
I see.
> I would just like to determine what most reasonable people think is
> appropriate for this kind of situation.
That has already been determined, and is codified in those FAQs I pointed
you to previously. (So too is the fact that it is very bad form to re-quote
signatures, footers and taglines. That's a hint -- but then, we already
know that "RTFM" is beyond you.)
Jay T. Blocksom
(Emanuel Brown) wrote:
>
[snip]
>
> He's right, though - it's considered bad netiquette to post private
> e-mail to the groups. Personally, I disagree with this - I think some
> people use the rule to harass people via e-mail in a manner they'd
> never use in public and should be exposed (a female friend was treated
> that way a while back) and the rule tends to protect them.
While there certainly can be exceptions, under truly exceptional
circumstances (such as, to touch on the example you mentioned, a case of
out-and-out harassment), I think you are prepared/willing to throw the baby
out with the bathwater here. It has been well-established, for a long time
and for VERY good reasons, that posting private E-Mail to Usenet without the
sender's permission is a BIG no-no.
> A group that's moderated says so in the title
[snip]
Sometimes, but not nearly always. There are MANY moderated newsgroups which
do not use that word in the name of the NG, just as there are MANY
discussion-only groups (such as <comp.sys.laptops>, for example) whose names
do not end in ".d". In general, these "tags" are used in the name of a
newsgroup to distinguish it from one or more otherwise similar groups.
> - Jay's a self-appointed net-cop
[snip]
Not at all. I'm just doing my "Good Netizen" bit to help educate those who
(often through simple ignorance) post inappropriately, for the benefit of
all concerned.
> If the group were moderated, he could have simply
> canceled your post and we'd never have seen it.
[snip]
Actually, were the group(s) moderated, there would be no need to issue a
cancel message, as all articles must be approved by the moderator _before_
they can propagate. However, another (relatively rare, but becoming
increasingly popular it would seem) form of moderation, known as
"retromoderation" is based on the use of cancel messages.
> The bottom line, in my experience, is this: As a rule, you are not
> supposed to post FS or FA ads to a discussion group on Usenet.
[snip]
Absolutely correct.
> The reality is that most people on comp.sys.laptops simply don't give a
> damn either way; it's been discussed previously by the regulars here a
> few times before, and it's generally felt that a) we aren't getting
> swamped with ads to the point that it interferes with discussion and
> b) most people happen to like hearing about stuff up for sale.
[snip]
Has it occured to you that most of the folks "supporting" off-topic postings
in such discussions are, typically, either the same ones who habitually make
them, or simply uninformed/misinformed?
Emanuel Brown
<approtek+...@rcn.com> wrote:
>Has it occured to you that most of the folks "supporting" off-topic postings
>in such discussions are, typically, either the same ones who habitually make
>them, or simply uninformed/misinformed?
I'm sorry, Jay, but it doesn't have to occur to me what sort of
people "support" this - I've been on the group nearly six years and
know all of the regulars and most of the recurring posters. When we've
discussed this in the past, the names were quite familiar to me. I'd
have been much more diligent in my own efforts in this regard if the
only supporters had been the sort of in-and-out posters we get
regularly on csl - the folks that post only from the time they start
shopping for a laptop until they've bought one and got the bugs worked
out.
The opinions I mentioned earlier were expressed by other regulars,
some with much more Usenet experience than me, whose opinions I
respected, then and now. The cause I took up then, and which you've
taken up now, is a non-issue to most of the people on csl, regulars
and occasional posters alike. You're quite welcome to continue your
efforts, but you'll find it's a thankless job as well as an endless
one. What you are defending is a principle you feel should be upheld,
not the posters of the group itself - after all, when was the last
time you saw more than an isolated flame about FS postings? Inaction
can speak volumes.
Heck, if you feel you're familiar enough with the workings of the
group and the posters, you can pose the question even now. Ask the
people you're defending if they want your help.
Emanuel
JHEM
news:3a29c5e1...@netnews.worldnet.att.net...
> Heck, if you feel you're familiar enough with the workings of the
> group and the posters, you can pose the question even now. Ask the
> people you're defending if they want your help.
If I might chime in here on the side of Emanuel, there are few enough FS and
FA posts here in c.s.l that I feel this is a non-issue. As long as the posts
are properly headed with FS or FA, they're easily added to your killfile.
However, I will admit that I often give in to the urge to reply to or report
FS/FA messages to the NG that contain enormous binaries.
Regards,
James
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