Trump says no protection to any NATO country that doesn’t pay enough protection money

[68g.1502]

Trump says no protection to any NATO country that doesn’t pay enough
protection money


That's logical. We run this NATO protection racket. We will sick Putin
on any country which stiffs us of protection money. LOL



Shocking moment Donald Trump tells cheering crowd he would encourage
Russia to ATTACK fellow NATO members for failing to 'pay their dues'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13070181/Donald-Trump-encourage-Russia-attack-NATO.html

[63g.1502]

On 2/11/2024 10:40 AM, 68g.1502 wrote:
> Trump says no protection to any NATO country that doesn’t pay enough
> protection money

No, that's not what he's saying. He's saying he wants Putin to invade NATO
countries. That's what he's saying.

[John Doe]

How far the GOP has fallen that they support a man who praises a butcher
like Putin and tries to undermine NATO. Just despicable. But that's
where they are.

[Governor Swill]

"'The president of a big country stood up and said "if we don't pay, and we're attacked by
Russia, will you protect us?" I said you didn't pay, you're delinquent? He said, "yes,
let's say that happened".
'No, I would not protect you, in fact I would encourage them (Russia) to do whatever the
hell they want, you gotta pay! You gotta pay your bills.'"

This from a man noted - FAMOUS - for stiffing his creditors!

It would be funny if he weren't such a dangerous loon.

Swill
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[Governor Swill]

Rudy, STFU.

[John Doe]

On 2/12/2024 3:06 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 13:40:43 -0500, "68g.1502" <68g....@exr3.net> wrote:
>
>> Trump says no protection to any NATO country that doesn’t pay enough
>> protection money
>>
>> That's logical. We run this NATO protection racket. We will sick Putin
>> on any country which stiffs us of protection money. LOL
>>
>> Shocking moment Donald Trump tells cheering crowd he would encourage
>> Russia to ATTACK fellow NATO members for failing to 'pay their dues'
>>
>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13070181/Donald-Trump-encourage-Russia-attack-NATO.html
>
> "'The president of a big country stood up and said "if we don't pay, and we're attacked by
> Russia, will you protect us?" I said you didn't pay, you're delinquent? He said, "yes,
> let's say that happened".
> 'No, I would not protect you, in fact I would encourage them (Russia) to do whatever the
> hell they want, you gotta pay! You gotta pay your bills.'"
>
> This from a man noted - FAMOUS - for stiffing his creditors!

Exactly. Trump is a world-class leader in not paying his own bills. And
his people admire him for being a cheat. And they STILL don't get why
the world disrespects Trumpers.

[Bi-valve Mollusk]

On 2/12/2024 11:13 AM, John Doe wrote:
> On 2/12/2024 3:06 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 13:40:43 -0500, "68g.1502" <68g....@exr3.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Trump says no protection to any NATO country that doesn’t pay enough
>>> protection money
>>>
>>> That's logical. We run this NATO protection racket. We will sick Putin
>>> on any country which stiffs us of protection money. LOL
>>>
>>> Shocking moment Donald Trump tells cheering crowd he would encourage
>>> Russia to ATTACK fellow NATO members for failing to 'pay their dues'
>>>
>>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13070181/Donald-Trump-encourage-Russia-attack-NATO.html
>>
>> "'The president of a big country stood up and said "if we don't pay,
>> and we're attacked by
>> Russia, will you protect us?" I said you didn't pay, you're
>> delinquent? He said, "yes,
>> let's say that happened".
>> 'No, I would not protect you, in fact I would encourage them (Russia)
>> to do whatever the
>> hell they want, you gotta pay! You gotta pay your bills.'"
>>
>> This from a man noted - FAMOUS - for stiffing his creditors!
>
> Exactly. Trump is a world-class leader in not paying his own bills. And
> his people admire him for being a cheat. And they STILL don't get why
> the world disrespects Trumpers.

If you're pissed at Trump for stiffing creditors why aren't you equally
pissed with countries that stiff NATO, leaving us to foot the bulk of
the bill?

[John Doe]

Several reasons.
Trump stiffing creditors is just pure greed and dishonesty that benefits
just him.

The US does not in fact "foot the bulk of the bill". We pay about 22% of
the bill, and we are one of the richest countries on the planet. In
addition, the cost of letting Russia invade country after country in
NATO would be hideously higher than maintaining the status quo. Making
the world a safer place for us and all citizens is bigger than one man's
limitless greed.

That's why I don't root for Putin.

[Governor Swill]

On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 11:23:16 -0500, Bi-valve Mollusk <Bi-valve...@riptear.com> wrote:

>If you're pissed at Trump for stiffing creditors why aren't you equally
>pissed with countries that stiff NATO, leaving us to foot the bulk of
>the bill?

Yeah, and I've complained about that myself. When Obama put it to them that they'd need
to start paying up, I was all for it. When Trump doubled down on that demand, it was one
of the few correct things he did even if he did do it clumsily and make an asshole of
himself.

But, credit where credit is due. Even before Russia invaded Ukraine European states were
increasing their defense spending. Germany might be excused, some at least, because . . .
because . . . well who wants to see GERMANY REARM, right? ;)

Most NATO members are in compliance, all are increasing spending and some are more that
compliant, doubling their minimum.

Is it perfect? No. But it's vastly improved and we can thank Obama for getting the ball
rolling, Trump for pushing it faster and Putin for accelerating it to light speed. LOL!

[Bi-valve Mollusk]

On 2/12/2024 1:39 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 11:23:16 -0500, Bi-valve Mollusk <Bi-valve...@riptear.com> wrote:
>
>> If you're pissed at Trump for stiffing creditors why aren't you equally
>> pissed with countries that stiff NATO, leaving us to foot the bulk of
>> the bill?
>
> Yeah, and I've complained about that myself. When Obama put it to them that they'd need
> to start paying up, I was all for it. When Trump doubled down on that demand, it was one
> of the few correct things he did even if he did do it clumsily and make an asshole of
> himself.
>
> But, credit where credit is due. Even before Russia invaded Ukraine European states were
> increasing their defense spending. Germany might be excused, some at least, because . . .
> because . . . well who wants to see GERMANY REARM, right? ;)
>
> Most NATO members are in compliance,

Only 11 of the 31 members are in compliance.

[D]

Touché! Socialists are never very consistent with their thoughts and
opinions.

[John Doe]

Name calling with the "Socialist" smear doesn't work on people who know
the difference between capitalism and socialism, but it might work with
Trumpers.

[Frank]

Many appear to support leaders that stiff us taxpayers rather then those
that stiffed business competitors.

[Governor Swill]

On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 13:59:30 -0500, Bi-valve Mollusk <Bi-valve...@riptear.com> wrote:

>On 2/12/2024 1:39 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 11:23:16 -0500, Bi-valve Mollusk <Bi-valve...@riptear.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If you're pissed at Trump for stiffing creditors why aren't you equally
>>> pissed with countries that stiff NATO, leaving us to foot the bulk of
>>> the bill?
>>
>> Yeah, and I've complained about that myself. When Obama put it to them that they'd need
>> to start paying up, I was all for it. When Trump doubled down on that demand, it was one
>> of the few correct things he did even if he did do it clumsily and make an asshole of
>> himself.
>>
>> But, credit where credit is due. Even before Russia invaded Ukraine European states were
>> increasing their defense spending. Germany might be excused, some at least, because . . .
>> because . . . well who wants to see GERMANY REARM, right? ;)
>>
>> Most NATO members are in compliance,
>
>Only 11 of the 31 members are in compliance.

I stand corrected. Another five are within spitting difference of the goal and most have
increased spending over the past ten years since Obama issued his request for compliance.

This Cold War baby is a big NATO booster. I apologize for my, perhaps, excessive
enthusiasm. ;)

This brings up another reason our allies disliked and distrusted Trump. Obama requested
compliance, Trump demanded it.

[D]

Of course it does. It worked with you, right here, right now, didn't it?
;)

[Governor Swill]

On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 09:55:05 +0100, D <nos...@example.net> wrote:

>On Mon, 12 Feb 2024, John Doe wrote:

>> Name calling with the "Socialist" smear doesn't work on people who know the
>> difference between capitalism and socialism, but it might work with Trumpers.
>
>Of course it does. It worked with you, right here, right now, didn't it?
>;)

Yeah, but you're a Nazi. :)

[John Doe]

Point taken, if you assume Trump supporters feel "Trumper" is a dirty word.

My point, though, was that using inaccurate labels doesn't help. Since
the population of socialists is like three percent of the population,
calling the entire left "socialist" just reveals ignorance and hate. It
would be like if I had said all Trumpers are ignorant anti-democracy
bigots when of course that is not all of them. And many of them are
actually repulsed when Trump reveals his plans to destroy democracy.

[D]

On Tue, 13 Feb 2024, Governor Swill wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 09:55:05 +0100, D <nos...@example.net> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 12 Feb 2024, John Doe wrote:
>
>>> Name calling with the "Socialist" smear doesn't work on people who know the
>>> difference between capitalism and socialism, but it might work with Trumpers.
>>
>> Of course it does. It worked with you, right here, right now, didn't it?
>> ;)
>
> Yeah, but you're a Nazi. :)

Jawohl Herr kommendant!

[Leper]

On 2/13/2024 7:16 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 09:55:05 +0100, D <nos...@example.net> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 12 Feb 2024, John Doe wrote:
>
>>> Name calling with the "Socialist" smear doesn't work on people who know the
>>> difference between capitalism and socialism, but it might work with Trumpers.
>>
>> Of course it does. It worked with you, right here, right now, didn't it?
>> ;)
>
> Yeah, but you're a Nazi. :)

That is real nice. A Jewish Thug calling someone a Nazi.