On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 09:40:47 -0800, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>On 25 Nov 2018 16:51:05 GMT, Snit wrote:
>>Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>> On Sat, 24 Nov 2018 18:07:53 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>>> On 11/24/18 6:05 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>> Looks like angry, broken Snit is getting REALLY desperate now!
>>>>> Good!
>>>>> LOL
>>>> Klaus:
>>>> No, no "new" guns have been invented since 1960.
>>> Correct.
>>Show the Gloks and 3D printed guns from the 1960s.
Next, he's going to argue the same gun made on a CNC machine instead
of a hand operated milling machine is a fundamentally different kind
of gun. And God help us if some PR guy thinks of painting it pink for
the ladies.
>From 1911:
>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1911_pistol
see also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_M1911
Which was a refinement of his 1903 model. Of the 1902 model, of the
1900 model.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_Model_1903_Pocket_Hammer
Luger P-08 (Pistol 1908) was a competitor along with others in the
trials when the US adopted the 1911. The 1911 replaced it.
The Luger is a descendant of the Broomhandle (Mauser C96) of the
1800s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauser_C96
Which saw high capacity magazines for you AR haters.
Which was a descendant of ....... wikipedia takes it back at least 135
years to 1883.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_pistol
"After Hiram Maxim introduced his recoil-powered machine gun in
1883, several gunsmiths set out to apply the same principles to
handguns, including Maxim. Maxim's designs for smaller firearms using
his recoil-powered ideas never went into production.
In the 1880s, other designers worked on self-loading designs. The
Schรถnberger-Laumann 1892 was the first semi-automatic pistol.
The first model to gain any commercial success was Hugo
Borchardt's C-93, which, together with the 7.65 mm Borchardt
cartridge, had been designed in 1893 and made its public debut in
1894. Borchardt based the principle of the C-93's mechanism in large
part upon Maxim's toggle-lock. The C-93 featured a locking mechanism
modeled after the human knee, which is called Kniegelenk in German
(knee joint). The C-93 proved mechanically reliable, but was too large
and bulky to receive widespread acceptance. Equipped with a screw-on
wooden stock, the C-93 served well as a small pistol carbine.
In 1896, Paul Mauser introduced the first model of his Mauser
"Broomhandle" semi-automatic pistol, the C96. This was the first
mass-produced and commercially successful pistol to have a
large-capacity, staggered-column magazine holding 10 or 20 rounds. Its
original cartridge was called 7.63 mm Mauser, which was more powerful
but otherwise identical to the 7.65 mm Borchardt. The Mauser was one
of the first self-loading pistols used extensively in battle, notably
the South African War of 1899-1902. These pistols were made in 7.63 mm
Mauser, or 9ร25 mm Mauser, along with some models eventually being
made in 9 mm Parabellum and a small number in .45 ACP for China.
1898 saw the Schwarzlose Model 1898, a semi-automatic pistol
invented by Prussian firearm designer Andreas Wilhelm Schwarzlose. It
was chambered for the 7.65ร25mm Mauser, but could also shoot the
weaker Borchardt ammunition. The Schwarzlose design was most advanced
and far ahead of its time, but not widely adopted with less than 1000
pieces being manufactured. Small lots were sold to the Boers and used
during the Boer War. Another lot was sold to members of the Russian
Social-Democratic Party who were plotting insurrection, but were
confiscated at the Russian border and issued to the Imperial Russian
Frontier Guards.
In Belgium in 1896 American gun designer John Browning developed
self-loading semi-automatic pistols. His models were first
manufactured in Europe by the Belgian firm of Fabrique Nationale (FN)
and later by Colt in the U.S. Browning's first successful design was
the Browning M1900. Like Georg Luger's work conducted around the same
time in Germany, it was desiged alongside a in 7.65 mm cartridge, but
the 7.65 mm Browning (aka .32 Auto) differs substantially from Luger's
7.65 mm Parabellum. Browning went on to design .25, .38, .380, and .45
ACP cartridges for his semi-automatic pistol designs.
Browning must be given credit for developing the type of
locked-breech action which is commonly used by the vast majority of
modern large caliber semi-automatic pistols.
One of Browning's most enduring designs was the Colt M1911, which
was adopted by the U.S. military as its service pistol and is still in
active use with some U.S. Special Forces and Marine Corps units."
But wait ---- there's more. Since the topic is "gun" not semi-autos --
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handgun
Firearms first appeared in China where gunpowder was first developed.
The oldest known bronze barrel handgun is the Heilongjiang hand
cannon, dated to 1288. It is 34 centimeters (13.4 inches) long without
a handle and weighs 3.55 kg (7.83 pounds). The diameter of the
interior at the end of the barrel is 2.6 cm (1.0 inches). The barrel
is the lengthiest part of the hand cannon and is 6.9 inches long.