On 10/1/22 7:34 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On 10/1/22 15:29, 26C.Z968 wrote:
>> But that's the individual level ... I was speaking of
>> the whole-culture effects of the dangling sword. Sex &
>> Drugs & Rock-n-Roll - rather than ultracon stick-up-
>> the-ass attitudes towards life - were a result of that
>> broad brush. The closest thing perhaps were the Black
>> Death plagues. However those were seen as 'acts of god',
>> not something mere mortal kings could inflict in some
>> dick-measuring contest.
> Maybe. Ed Sullivan and Lawrence Welk were hints that it might be time to
> do something different. I see a lot of parallels to the New England
> Transcendentalist era of the 1820's to the 50's. Emerson put the end at
> Margaret Fuller's death sort of like the funeral for Hippie, Son of
> Media. They didn't have rock'n'roll though.
They had sex & drugs though :-)
Ed was a show-biz opportunist and just went with what
looked like the latest, exploitable, trend. He did not
seem to love the new hippie-dippie artists, but they
were popular, thus profitable.
Welk was just *weird*. However he had his niche.
Now if you want flaming gayness ... Liberace !
The Emerson/Thoreau clique did have a few things in common
with the later hippie-dippies - including the biggest ERROR
of the hippie-dippies. Remember Thoreau wrote a whole book
about "living free" ... but, actually, it WASN'T "free" -
his friends SUPPORTED his "free" living down by the lake.
The hippie-dippies also imagined they could live free and
wild and off every grid ... but in truth they DEPENDED on
those grids for a great many things. They, like Thoreau,
were parasites, living off the wealth of The System.
Then there's the anti-establishment/anarchist bands -
banging away on their electric instruments in big
stadiums raking in big salaries ....
The Euro matching movement of Emerson's times, including
the Shelley's and Byron, were not so deluded about living
off of others. Indeed they preferred the high style.
Kudos to Mrs Shelley though - seems her "Modern Prometheus"
is the plot of half the movies you still see, disguised in
some form or another.
"I'm sorry Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that".
>> The anti-war thing escalated, of course - unfortunately
>> it also became a kinda pro-commie thing ... little red
>> books and such, anti-American rants from people who had
>> never heard what Stalin an Mao had done to their own
>> and were eager to do to everybody else. The Original
>> Hippies were mostly libertarians ... but by the late
>> 60s the destroy-America leftists became predominant.
> My long hair was hiding my red neck; still is for that matter.
I'm running out of hair for that use.
But when the last strand falls, I want it to
be a foot long :-)
> My light reading at the time was more up the lines of 'A Texan Looks at
> Lyndon' or 'None Dare Call It Treason' than the Little Red Book. I did
> read Guevara's 'Guerilla Warfare' and 'Bolivian Diary'. He forgot every
> thing he knew when he went to Bolivia.
Che was a (dangerous) flake.
I have copies of hyperleft stuff too - Saul Alinsky's stuff,
I recently even located a copy of something entitled "The
Student As Nigger" and Abbie Hoffman stuff. It is smart to
study the developing opposition ya know :-)
I note certain entities that still seem to use Alinsky
as a handbook.
I was never a proper leftie or rightie ... indeed I dislike
the extremes - commie/nazi/theo - because they do NOT have
the General Interest at heart - just self-empowerment and/or
bloody revenge no matter what BS they put in their manifestos.
I rather like the US founders as a group, kinda "Power To The
People (but let's not get STUPID about it)". I generally
refer to that as "small-L libertarianism". The most freedoms
and best lives for the most people are not found at any extreme.
I wish the Founders had solved the slavery thing back then,
but I do realize the political and economic issues that
made them table the issue. Forging a United States had to
come first. Alas, that done, they FORGOT about dealing
with the slavery thing - someone else's problem ...
As for Little Red Books ... that got SO bad that John Lennon
had to pen "And if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao,
you ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow". They should play
that one more often, for all those - low AND high - that
seem to worship the image of chairman Xi.
I knew an old Marine who was was always pissed when he
heard "Back In The USSR" on the radio. Tough old bird.
In his mid 80s he beat up some aggressive thug who tried
to rob him so badly the cops had zero problem identifying
the perp, indeed I think they took him to the ER before
jail. Semper Fi to the end.
I told him to listen to the song *carefully* ... it was in
no way an endorsement of the USSR, quite the opposite.
Lennon was good with lyrics, could hide meanings inside
of things by manipulating timing, cadence and tone. The
Boys did seem to like their KGB-assigned *women* though :-)