WW II Aircraft Carriers on the Great Lakes

[Ray Keller]

WW II Aircraft Carriers on the Great Lakes



The Great Lakes provided vital support for the war effort in WWII,

from building 28 fleet subs in Manitowoc to providing the bulk of US

industrial output, we could not have won the war if not for the

benefits of the Great Lakes and their related industry. However there

was another benefit of the lakes that is often overlooked. Japan

quickly lost the war because, among many other things, its navy could

not replace its carrier pilot losses. We could. But how did we train

so many pilots in both comfort (calm seas) and safety (no enemy subs)?



We took two old side-wheel Great Lakes passenger steamers and turned

them into training carriers on Lake Michigan ! Virtually every carrier

pilot trained in the war got his landing training on these amazing

ships! Sadly nothing but these great photos and the wrecks of the

aircraft that ditched alongside them remain to tell their fascinating

story! Thanks to Tom Ursem for sending this link!



Check this out! USS Sable and USS Wolverine

...
http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=48962

[STEADY EDDY]

Klaus served on the USS GotNoNuts.

[Gunner Asch]

Way cool!! Thanks!

I never knew a thing about these two ships. Much obliged!!

Gunner


--
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Really?

"Hurt" aint the word.

For Liberals, the truth is like salt to a slug.
Sunlight to a vampire.
RaidŽ to a cockroach.
Sheriff Brody to a shark
Bush to a Liberal

The truth doesn't just hurt. It's painful, like a red hot poker shoved
up their ass. Like sliding down a hundred foot razor blade using their
dick as a brake.

They HATE the truth."

[Debbie]

Very cool! Thank you. I have lived in Michigan my entire life and didn't
know this.

[Scout]

"Ray Keller" <Left...@re.desperate.com> wrote in message
news:mkLnt.8619$uT3....@newsfe20.iad...

That was cool and a bit of history I wasn't aware of. Makes sense though
since we can then train carrier pilots and send them to the fleet ready to
go and we don't have to tie up a deep water carrier for training purposes.

[Richard]

That was then.

Now, the Lexington is a (barely) floating museum in Corpus Christi.

So where to Naval Aviators train now?

[Stormin Mormon]

With our Muslim in Chief, practicing apology
on the world. No need for aviators at present.

Besides, liberals are afraid of real men.
.
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Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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"Richard" <cave...@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:5L-dnQ7Tn9VGaALM...@earthlink.com...
>> ...
>> http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=48962
>

[Jeff M]

Pensacola NAS

[deep]

On Sat, 25 May 2013 07:53:06 -0500, Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org>
wrote:

There's several around the country. Mayport, Florida; Memphis,
Norfolk, Miramar, others I can't think of right now.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Fri, 24 May 2013 09:20:32 -0700 (PDT), STEADY EDDY
<steady...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Klaus served [..]

... and Eddy swung and missed.

He STILL can't come up with a cite for the "law" he claims makes it
illegal to have a loaded gun in the house.

[chuckle]

[Richard]

Pensacola is NOT an aircraft carrier.

I guess I should have asked - where do Naval Aviators
carrier qual these days?

[deep]

On Sat, 25 May 2013 22:28:23 -0500, Richard <cave...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

They do them on simulated carrier decks lined out on a runway at one
of the several Naval Air Stations across the country after learning on
a flight simulator. They use cameras and optical sensors to indicate
when they miss. That way they can go back and try again and not lose
an expensive jet or a pilot. I don't know how many successful
simulated landings they need before they get to land on an actual
carrier but it's a bunch.

[Jeff M]

After training, they do carrier quals with any active carrier, I suppose.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

He asked where they carrier qualify. They don't do it on a runway.
Runways don't move, you idiot.

SAN DIEGO (NNS) -- Navy pilots from Training Air Wing One (TRAWING-1)
and Training Air Wing Two (TRAWING-2) launched from Naval Base
Coronado (NBC) Nov. 4 to conduct flight deck qualifications aboard USS
Nimitz (CVN 68) off the coast of San Diego.

[Ramon F. Herrera]

On May 26, 7:28 am, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Runways don't move, you idiot.

In California and Japan, they do,

-RFH

[deep]

They practice the moving deck landings on flight simulators. They
practice catapult takeoffs and arresting cable landings on a land
runway many, many times before they graduate to actual carrier quals.
They don't have training carriers like they did during WWII. They're
way to expensive to maintain strictly for qualifications.

>
>-RFH

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

And they QUALIFY on carriers. Like they always have.

[deep]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 06:05:04 -0500, Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org>
wrote:

Yes, of course. After they do many, many catapult takeoffs and
arresting cable landings in a flight simulator and on a land runway.
All active carriers do qualification drills. They all do them all the
time but only after extensive training at a NAS.

[Ramon F. Herrera]

I was referring to "The Ring of Fire"

Get it?

Gee, these winger-baggers are born with the humor gene (*) lacking...

-RFH

(*) Among others.

[Jim Wilkins]

"Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote in message
news:0556d48e-affd-4a03...@g9g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...

-I was referring to "The Ring of Fire"
-Get it?
-Gee, these winger-baggers are born with the humor gene (*) lacking...
-RFH

Keep the day job.

[deep]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 06:19:42 -0700 (PDT), "Ramon F. Herrera"

<ra...@conexus.net> wrote:

>On May 26, 8:14 am, deep wrote:
>> On Sun, 26 May 2013 05:35:03 -0700 (PDT), "Ramon F. Herrera"
>>
>> <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>> >On May 26, 7:28 am, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > > Runways don't move, you idiot.
>>
>> >In California and Japan, they do,
>>
>> They practice the moving deck landings on flight simulators.  They
>> practice catapult takeoffs and arresting cable landings on a land
>> runway many, many times before they graduate to actual carrier quals.
>> They don't have training carriers like they did during WWII.  They're
>> way to expensive to maintain strictly for qualifications.
>>
>>
>> >-RFH
>
>I was referring to "The Ring of Fire"
>
>Get it?
>

I realize that. I was answering the question seriously. It was a
legitimate question so I gave him a serious answer. They do simulator
and land based quals many, many times before they let them anywhere
near an actual aircraft carrier in a jet.

>Gee, these winger-baggers are born with the humor gene (*) lacking...
>

Uh, it wasn't funny.

>-RFH
>
>(*) Among others.

[David J. Hughes]

On 5/25/2013 10:28 PM, Richard wrote:

On land.
At about 8 different facilities they have a patch of concrete marked out
to the dimensions of a carrier deck, and the pilots do multiple touch
and goes to get their Carrier Qualification. Then they get assigned to
a squadron, and get to do it for real on whatever carrier they are
assigned to.

[Ramon F. Herrera]

On May 26, 8:25 am, "Jim Wilkins" <muratla...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote in messagenews:0556d48e-affd-4a03...@g9g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...

>
> -I was referring to "The Ring of Fire"
> -Get it?
> -Gee, these winger-baggers are born with the humor gene (*) lacking...
> -RFH
>

> Keep the day job.

Okay, let me give it another try. This is one that we have in
Venezuela:

Q: "Do you know the joke about the ocean?"
A: "No"
Q: "Actually, it's too deep for you".

[ba, bing!]

-Ramon

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

Poor Ramon. His show business career shot down.....

He should just stick to trolling.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

You're done here.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

There is only one place they can "qualify" and that is on a carrier.

Example:

[deep]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 08:27:33 -0500, "David J. Hughes"
<davidjh...@netzero.com> wrote:

They have more than lined out runways. They practice on land based
catapults and arresting gear many times before they let them near any
multi billion dollar aircraft carrier.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

That's called "training." It's different from "qualifying."

[Scout]

"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:prv3q8dgd6f7jhs2j...@4ax.com...

Actually, today the initial carrier landing training is done on a runway.
When they establish they can handle that part of it then they transition to
carrier landing and qualification on a carrier just off the US coast to
allow for a land based divert if they can't complete a carrier landing.
After all, you don't want to do carrier landing training and qualifications
in blue water ops (ie you either land on the carrier, or you will land in
the water. )

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

That is correct, just as I posted.

[Scout]

"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:eo24q8pc8760opnci...@4ax.com...

Final qualification takes place there, but much of the training takes place
long before they get to the carrier.

Even qualified pilots will shoot carrier landings and arrestments on an
airstrip to get back up to speed before they head to the carrier for final
qualification.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 12:08:05 -0400, "Scout"
<me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>
>
>"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:eo24q8pc8760opnci...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 26 May 2013 07:14:59 -0600, deep wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 26 May 2013 05:35:03 -0700 (PDT), "Ramon F. Herrera"
>>><ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 26, 7:28 am, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Runways don't move, you idiot.
>>>>
>>>>In California and Japan, they do,
>>>
>>>They practice the moving deck landings on flight simulators. They
>>>practice catapult takeoffs and arresting cable landings on a land
>>>runway many, many times before they graduate to actual carrier quals.
>>>They don't have training carriers like they did during WWII. They're
>>>way to expensive to maintain strictly for qualifications.
>>
>> And they QUALIFY on carriers. Like they always have.
>
>Final qualification takes place there, but much of the training takes place
>long before they get to the carrier.

That is correct. There's practice, and then there is qualifying.

[rbowman]

wrote:

> They practice the moving deck landings on flight simulators. They
> practice catapult takeoffs and arresting cable landings on a land
> runway many, many times before they graduate to actual carrier quals.
> They don't have training carriers like they did during WWII. They're
> way to expensive to maintain strictly for qualifications.

http://www.someoldnews.com/?p=1371

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurston_Teal

Colonial, Lake, and Thurston were all related but when we bought the
building in the '70s the front door had the Thurston logo. We got an ammo
bunker in the deal but did not get the main hangar which was still standing.
There were quite a few partially destroyed buildings in the surrounding
woods. The old timers said there had been more than one unsuccessful
landings but I never found any airframe pieces.

On good days you could see the ocean from there if you were 1000' AGL but
that was about it.

[SaPeIsMa]

"Jim Wilkins" <murat...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:knt277$d99$2...@dont-email.me...

I believe this is his "day job".

[Richard]

So is keeping a fleet carrier within range for carrier quals.

In the late 70s the Lexington could only stay out for 5 days before
she would have taken on too much water to clear the sand bar going back
to Pensacola Bay.

So, as I asked, I wonder how they do carrier quals these days.
Especially for nuggets.

[Richard]

Absolutely correct.

The ship is a moving, pitching, rolling, turbulent, absolutely real
steel nightmare, compared to a sim or a runway.

That's why it is called a QUAL.

[Scout]

"Richard" <cave...@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:HfydnQR_Xsj1Bj_M...@earthlink.com...

> On 5/26/2013 8:14 AM, deep wrote:
>> On Sun, 26 May 2013 05:35:03 -0700 (PDT), "Ramon F. Herrera"
>> <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On May 26, 7:28 am, Klaus Schadenfreude<klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Runways don't move, you idiot.
>>>
>>> In California and Japan, they do,
>>
>> They practice the moving deck landings on flight simulators. They
>> practice catapult takeoffs and arresting cable landings on a land
>> runway many, many times before they graduate to actual carrier quals.
>> They don't have training carriers like they did during WWII. They're
>> way to expensive to maintain strictly for qualifications.
>>
>>>
>>> -RFH
>
> So is keeping a fleet carrier within range for carrier quals.

Which is a lot less expensive than running a carrier all the time just for
this purpose.

> In the late 70s the Lexington could only stay out for 5 days before
> she would have taken on too much water to clear the sand bar going back to
> Pensacola Bay.
>
> So, as I asked, I wonder how they do carrier quals these days.
> Especially for nuggets.

Easy...in the months prior to a deployment all carrier pilots are required
to conduct a number of carrier 'operations' at one of a number of airfields,
including touch and goes, wave offs, traps, cats, operational procedures and
so on. Then after those training requirements are met they go out with the
carrier on one of it's pre-deployment shakedown cruises and practice that
again while at sea, and finally they have to be carrier qualified. And
usually again at least once during any major deployment. Oh, and these
training cruises aren't just for the pilots, but ships personal, flight deck
operations, emergency drills, it's a whole battery of things taking place.
Carrier qualification flight ops are but just one piece of it. All the
newbies are learning their jobs in the slower pace of the training
operations where you have someone who is experienced standing behind you
ready to take over at a moment's notice. After all when you're doing combat
landings and/or launch operations there is very little margin for screw-ups
or even momentary lapses in carrying out your job. You can't tell everyone
to just stop while you figure out where this plane is going to go, and you
better leave room for all those behind him. After all when a plane is
hitting the deck every 45-60 seconds, there isn't time for someone messing
up. Launching is just as bad because you only have so long to get your birds
in the air lest those that launched first encounter fuel problems at the end
of the mission. So no, this isn't just about qualifying pilots. Maybe in
WWII it was different different on the flight deck, now things are a bit
more complex.

[pyotr filipivich]

Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@yahoo.com> on Sun, 26 May 2013
05:28:03 -0700 typed in misc.survivalism the following:

They do when you've smoked as much ganga as Deep did.

--
pyotr filipivich.
Just about the time you finally see light at the end of the tunnel,
you find out it's a Government Project to build more tunnel.

[Michael A. Terrell]

What does 'Brain dead trolling' pay these days?

[deep]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 22:03:25 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:

>>>
>>>They do them on simulated carrier decks lined out on a runway at one
>>>of the several Naval Air Stations across the country after learning on
>>>a flight simulator.
>>
>>He asked where they carrier qualify. They don't do it on a runway.
>>Runways don't move, you idiot.
>
> They do when you've smoked as much ganga as Deep did.

US aircraft carriers don't "pitch and roll" any more. They are too
big. Nimitz class carriers are over 1000 feet long. They are longer
than the swells so are unaffected. You can stand a pencil on the
table in the mess hall and it will stand upright while the ship is
underway.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

LOL

Dudu knows as much about carriers as he does .45's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gGMI8d3vLs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0yj70QbBzg&feature=related

Navy pilots landing aboard the USS Nimitz during rough seas in the
Pacific.

Hey, the Nimitz is a "Nimitz-class" carrier isn't it?

"POINT PROVEN!"
Lee Harrison 1957-2012, RIP

[deep]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 18:36:13 -0500, Richard <cave...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

No it's not. Never been near a modern aircraft carrier I see. A
Nimitz class carrier is over 1000 feet long. You'll never get swells
near that long in any sea unless you're in a hurricane or just rode
out a tidal wave. They don't do training carrier quals in hurricanes.
In contrast WWII carriers were about half to 3/4 as long as the Nimitz
carriers and in WWII they had to operate in all weather because their
lives depended on it. You're comparing apples and oranges to compare
WWII carrier ops to modern ones.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 08:29:01 -0600, deep wrote:

>>The ship is a moving, pitching, rolling, turbulent, absolutely real
>>steel nightmare, compared to a sim or a runway.
>>
>No it's not. Never been near a modern aircraft carrier I see. A
>Nimitz class carrier is over 1000 feet long. You'll never get swells
>near that long in any sea unless you're in a hurricane or just rode
>out a tidal wave. They don't do training carrier quals in hurricanes.
>In contrast WWII carriers were about half to 3/4 as long as the Nimitz
>carriers and in WWII they had to operate in all weather because their
>lives depended on it. You're comparing apples and oranges to compare
>WWII carrier ops to modern ones.

You're really, REALLY fucking ignorant, Dudu.

But we already knew that.

Lie #368 is enshrined for our enjoyment.


http://klaus.webege.com/dudu/dudu.htm
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Now With Over 360 Documented
Lies, Falsehoods, Fabrications, Distortions, and Deceptions!

[Ivan Bodley]

"deep" wrote in message news:jdq6q8he8t2dpgb0j...@4ax.com...

####
Egad!
Now "Deep Dudu" (A GIRLS NAME by the way) And A SELF PROCLAIMED aircraft
pilot from the Indian Air Force) says that all LARGE ships do NOT " pitch
and sway" and are not "effected by swells" at all!

What the fuck is wrong with his little brain?

[Ivan Bodley]

"deep" wrote in message news:1rq6q8d8blencljt5...@4ax.com...

####

Dudu ( a girls name) is an insane lying retard!
And nobody does aircraft launches or landings from or into a strip where a
Hurricane is taking place, you retarded "filtering" retard!

Your straw man was soaked wet when you changed the subject!

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 08:16:25 -0600, deep wrote:

>US aircraft carriers don't "pitch and roll" any more. They are too
>big. Nimitz class carriers are over 1000 feet long. They are longer
>than the swells so are unaffected. You can stand a pencil on the
>table in the mess hall and it will stand upright while the ship is
>underway.

ROFLMAO Where do you GET this shit?

Is this your special Ninja Pencil you carry with you, or a regular
pencil?

[Meanwhile, aboard the Nimitz-class carrier USS NIMITZ...]

http://www.pbs.org/cove-media/http/PBS_CP_General_Audience/14/641/CARR107_HD_44khz.sami

WE CANNOT AFFORD TO HAVE AN AIRCRAFT THAT'S STARVED FOR
FUEL. THE NIMITZ IS 700 MILES AWAY FROM THE NEAREST DIVERT
FIELD. NO ONE WAS GOING TO MAKE IT 700 MILES.


DID YOU WATCH THE DECK? DUDE, ALL I KNOW IS, I WAS
IN CLOSE, AND THEY WERE LIKE, "LITTLE POWER." I LOOK DOWN, AND
I SAW THE [BEEP] BACK OF THE SHIP ABOVE ME, AND I WAS LIKE,
"AHHHHHHHH!"

THERE'S BEEN TIMES IT LOOKS LIKE GUYS ARE PROBABLY LOOKING
DOWN ON THE DECK, AND THE DECK COMES UP AND
CATCHES THEM, AND THEY TRAP. I COULD JUST HEAR PADDLES,
LIKE, "GIVE IT POWER," SO I GAVE IT POWER, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN
IT JUST, LIKE, FROM THE DECK, LIKE, BEING ABOVE ME, IT JUST
GOES WHOOOM! AND I WAS LIKE, "HEY, EVERYBODY DOWN THERE, HOW Y'ALL
DOING? I WANT TO STAY UP HERE. IT'S SAFE UP HERE." AHHH. I
NEED A DRINK. HA HA HA! NO, I'M JUST [BEEP] SHAKING STILL.

EASY WITH IT. EASY WITH IT.

WE'RE ALMOST DONE.
JAR-JAR IS GOING AROUND. THE DECK'S STEADY, JAR-JAR'S GOING
AROUND. HERE WE GO. OUT OF THERE. WAVE OFF, WAVE OFF.
NOW I'M STARTING TO GET PRETTY NERVOUS. REALIZING THAT,
HEY, THIS IS NO JOKE, AND THE DECK IS EVERYWHERE.

1-0-2, RHINO. BALL. 7-5 AUTO.
I ALWAYS GET AN EERIE FEELING WHEN I'M THE LAST GUY
ON BOARD, I'LL TELL YOU THAT.
1-0-2 ON COURSE. 5 MILES.
THERE'S NO ONE TO SAVE YOU. THERE'S NO GAS AIRBORNE. YOU
GOT TO DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO TO GET ON DECK.
LOOK AT THAT.
DECK PITCHING. HE STAYS
RIGHT THERE.
IT'S JUST LIKE...
SEX. WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK?
IF HE GOES AROUND ONE TIME,
IT'S GOING TO BE IN HIS HEAD,
AND HE'S GOING TO BE PISSED OFF,
AND IT'S GOING TO AFFECT HIS
NEXT BREAK. IT'S GOING TO TAKE
AN APPROACH.
HE'S GONNA GET ABOARD.
NO, [BEEP] A MIND GAME. HE'S
GOING AROUND TWICE.

I bet Dudu's pencil fell over.

[chuckle]

[George Plimpton]

On 5/27/2013 7:16 AM, Scheisskopf - stupid yapping Shithead - blabbered
ignorantly:

> On Sun, 26 May 2013 22:03:25 -0700, pyotr filipivich
> <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> They do them on simulated carrier decks lined out on a runway at one
>>>> of the several Naval Air Stations across the country after learning on
>>>> a flight simulator.
>>>
>>> He asked where they carrier qualify. They don't do it on a runway.
>>> Runways don't move, you idiot.
>>
>> They do when you've smoked as much ganga as Deep did.
>
> US aircraft carriers don't "pitch and roll" any more. They are too
> big.

SHUT YOUR FUCKING YAP, SHITHEAD!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ki8Ji4HQVU

Aircraft carriers pitch and roll. That's just a fact. You goddamned
ignorant shit-4-braincell shitbag - keep your fucking mouth shut.

[Scout]

"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:srq6q8pacvdp3dcka...@4ax.com...

> On Mon, 27 May 2013 08:16:25 -0600, deep wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 26 May 2013 22:03:25 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>><ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>They do them on simulated carrier decks lined out on a runway at one
>>>>>of the several Naval Air Stations across the country after learning on
>>>>>a flight simulator.
>>>>
>>>>He asked where they carrier qualify. They don't do it on a runway.
>>>>Runways don't move, you idiot.
>>>
>>> They do when you've smoked as much ganga as Deep did.
>>
>>US aircraft carriers don't "pitch and roll" any more. They are too
>>big. Nimitz class carriers are over 1000 feet long. They are longer
>>than the swells so are unaffected. You can stand a pencil on the
>>table in the mess hall and it will stand upright while the ship is
>>underway.

BULLSHIT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4gGMI8d3vLs#!

Unlike Dudu, I've been on a carrier and we did conduct flight ops in heavy
seas and high winds.

> LOL
>
> Dudu knows as much about carriers as he does .45's.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gGMI8d3vLs
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0yj70QbBzg&feature=related
>
> Navy pilots landing aboard the USS Nimitz during rough seas in the
> Pacific.
>
> Hey, the Nimitz is a "Nimitz-class" carrier isn't it?

Yep, and we recover with a deck pitching all over the place, rolls of
several degrees and even slight cross winds. After all there is a reason why
the FLOLS is gyro stabilized.

They can handle a pitch of plus or minus 6 degrees (12 degrees total) , a
roll of plus or minus 10 degrees (20 degrees total). Now a very mild pitch
of 1.5 degrees plus and minus (or 3 degrees total) equals a deck moving
about 5.5 feet up and down in the landing area.

A typical day......watch the pitching deck (oh and PS the bolters (ie
missing the wire) is intentional, the pilot overshoots the wires to preform
an effective touch and go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVgBayUfPJU&feature=player_embedded

And then of course, this doesn't even consider when conditions are so bad
that flights ops aren't even possible. Say a pitch from +15 degrees to -15
degrees and rolls of +12 degrees to -12 degrees.
Such as we went through in the North Atlantic. Yea, I would like to see
Dudu's magic #2 pencil standing up through that.

For someone that CLAIMS to be ex-navy Dudu really should know better. But
apparently he may have lied about his military background yet again.

[Scout]

"Ivan Bodley" <bas...@bass.gov> wrote in message
news:51a36f6e$0$20200$607e...@cv.net...

He thinks he knows more than he does.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mWpQ_0fqJOM#!

And here's a fun one, though you can't see it the yellow shirt is directing
an aircraft moving up the deck.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_SV_lRIJ3E&feature=player_embedded

And consider....Dudu CLAIMS to be ex-navy.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

If he was in the Navy I'm sure he spent most of it as NEC 0090.

[Ivan Bodley]

"Scout" wrote in message news:ko02dm$ib6$1...@dont-email.me...

###
WAIT FOR IT!
Doo Doo( a girls name) will say that "taking off " is one thing but
"landing is a big dif", as the ocean swells were different back then!

[Scout]

"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:ggr6q8p81gv47ijb6...@4ax.com...

> On Mon, 27 May 2013 08:29:01 -0600, deep wrote:
>
>>>The ship is a moving, pitching, rolling, turbulent, absolutely real
>>>steel nightmare, compared to a sim or a runway.
>>>
>>No it's not. Never been near a modern aircraft carrier I see. A
>>Nimitz class carrier is over 1000 feet long. You'll never get swells
>>near that long in any sea unless you're in a hurricane or just rode
>>out a tidal wave. They don't do training carrier quals in hurricanes.
>>In contrast WWII carriers were about half to 3/4 as long as the Nimitz
>>carriers and in WWII they had to operate in all weather because their
>>lives depended on it. You're comparing apples and oranges to compare
>>WWII carrier ops to modern ones.
>
> You're really, REALLY fucking ignorant, Dudu.
>
> But we already knew that.
>
> Lie #368 is enshrined for our enjoyment.

May I suggest you include the following with that one.

deep <de...@dudu.org> wrote in
news:973758pftjvvcoe8r...@4ax.com:
"1977-1983 USN DS2(E5) USS Estocian FFG15"

Because in my mind this seriously challenges his claims to being a US navy
vet as well.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

While I seriously doubt Dudu is a vet of *any* kind, I'd need proof he
didn't serve aboard the Estocian, although he probably just picked it
out of a list somewhere.

[Scout]

"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:d477q81j7qh4u4o6s...@4ax.com...

Well consider this.

Dudu just recently claimed to know all about modern air craft carriers
because of the time he spent with sailors off the USS Nimitz in Norfolk,
Virginia.

Yet, the USS Estocian was ported in Mayport, Florida. So did Dudu drive 18
hours just to mix with those sailors?

His story doesn't hold up any more than his one about being an officer in
the Indian Air Force.

[deep]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 12:55:38 -0400, "Scout"
<me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>He thinks he knows more than he does.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mWpQ_0fqJOM#!
>
>And here's a fun one, though you can't see it the yellow shirt is directing
>an aircraft moving up the deck.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_SV_lRIJ3E&feature=player_embedded
>
>And consider....Dudu CLAIMS to be ex-navy.

Riiiiight. Everything you know about aircraft carriers you learnted
frum Youtube.

here, try Jane's

http://www.janes.com/products/janes/defence/det-products/fighting-ships.aspx

[RD Sandman]

deep wrote in news:a2f7q8pkh30cfbp83...@4ax.com:

Why? Does Janes have videos of pitching and rolling ships?

--
Sleep well, tonight.....

RD (The Sandman

You can be young without money, but you
can't be old without it.

[deep]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 17:06:15 -0500, RD Sandman
<rdsandman[remove]@comcast.net> wrote:

>deep wrote in news:a2f7q8pkh30cfbp83...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Mon, 27 May 2013 12:55:38 -0400, "Scout"
>> <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>>>He thinks he knows more than he does.
>>>
>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mWpQ_0fqJOM#!
>>>
>>>And here's a fun one, though you can't see it the yellow shirt is
>>>directing an aircraft moving up the deck.
>>>
>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_SV_lRIJ3E&feature=player_embedded
>>>
>>>And consider....Dudu CLAIMS to be ex-navy.
>>
>>
>> Riiiiight. Everything you know about aircraft carriers you learnted
>> frum Youtube.
>>
>> here, try Jane's
>>
>> http://www.janes.com/products/janes/defence/det-products/fighting-ships
>> .aspx
>>
>
>Why? Does Janes have videos of pitching and rolling ships?

No, cuz they pretty much don't.

[Scout]

"RD Sandman" <rdsandman[remove]@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:XnsA1CD99A7F...@216.196.121.131...

> deep wrote in news:a2f7q8pkh30cfbp83...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Mon, 27 May 2013 12:55:38 -0400, "Scout"
>> <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>>>He thinks he knows more than he does.
>>>
>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mWpQ_0fqJOM#!
>>>
>>>And here's a fun one, though you can't see it the yellow shirt is
>>>directing an aircraft moving up the deck.
>>>
>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_SV_lRIJ3E&feature=player_embedded
>>>
>>>And consider....Dudu CLAIMS to be ex-navy.
>>
>>
>> Riiiiight. Everything you know about aircraft carriers you learnted
>> frum Youtube.
>>
>> here, try Jane's
>>
>> http://www.janes.com/products/janes/defence/det-products/fighting-ships
>> .aspx
>>
>
> Why? Does Janes have videos of pitching and rolling ships?

Maybe it's his only source for his knowledge of naval ships....

[RD Sandman]

deep wrote in news:suq7q8l4cc4rjp6vm...@4ax.com:

Does Janes have videos of ships not rolling and pitching in stormy seas?
Does Janes even have videos?

[Gray Guest]

deep wrote in news:jdq6q8he8t2dpgb0j...@4ax.com:

Yer an idiot.

--
Refusenik #1

Libs suffer from Eleutherophobia. And there is no cure.

Obama called the SEALs and THEY got bin Laden. When the SEALs called Obama,
THEY GOT DENIED. Fuck Obama

[Harold Burton]

In article <jdq6q8he8t2dpgb0j...@4ax.com>, deep wrote:

> On Sun, 26 May 2013 22:03:25 -0700, pyotr filipivich
> <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >>>
> >>>They do them on simulated carrier decks lined out on a runway at one
> >>>of the several Naval Air Stations across the country after learning on
> >>>a flight simulator.
> >>
> >>He asked where they carrier qualify. They don't do it on a runway.
> >>Runways don't move, you idiot.
> >
> > They do when you've smoked as much ganga as Deep did.
>
> US aircraft carriers don't "pitch and roll" any more.

Cite?

> They are too
> big. Nimitz class carriers are over 1000 feet long. They are longer
> than the swells so are unaffected.

Perhaps by pitch, but I doubt it, but not by roll.

> You can stand a pencil on the
> table in the mess hall and it will stand upright while the ship is
> underway.

Cite?

[Harold Burton]

Yeah, and? Where does it say carriers don't pitch and roll?



Leftards, batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.

[Harold Burton]

Still waiting for proof.

[Scout]

"Harold Burton" <hal.i....@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hal.i.burton-7CF6...@74.sub-97-136-209.myvzw.com...

> In article <jdq6q8he8t2dpgb0j...@4ax.com>, deep wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 26 May 2013 22:03:25 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>> <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>>
>> >>>They do them on simulated carrier decks lined out on a runway at one
>> >>>of the several Naval Air Stations across the country after learning on
>> >>>a flight simulator.
>> >>
>> >>He asked where they carrier qualify. They don't do it on a runway.
>> >>Runways don't move, you idiot.
>> >
>> > They do when you've smoked as much ganga as Deep did.
>>
>> US aircraft carriers don't "pitch and roll" any more.
>
>
> Cite?
>

http://www.fugly.com/pictures/16208/head_up_ass.html

>
>> They are too
>> big. Nimitz class carriers are over 1000 feet long. They are longer
>> than the swells so are unaffected.
>
>
> Perhaps by pitch, but I doubt it, but not by roll.

Oh, they pitch and roll.

>> You can stand a pencil on the
>> table in the mess hall and it will stand upright while the ship is
>> underway.
>
> Cite?

http://www.fugly.com/pictures/16208/head_up_ass.html

[George Plimpton]

Video proves they do.

You're full of shit. You don't know what you're talking about.

[Harold Burton]

In article <eb40e$51a41644$414e828e$24...@EVERESTKC.NET>,

It's what makes him a leftard.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Tue, 28 May 2013 00:35:43 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest
<No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote:

>deep wrote in news:jdq6q8he8t2dpgb0j...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sun, 26 May 2013 22:03:25 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>><ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>They do them on simulated carrier decks lined out on a runway at one
>>>>>of the several Naval Air Stations across the country after learning on
>>>>>a flight simulator.
>>>>
>>>>He asked where they carrier qualify. They don't do it on a runway.
>>>>Runways don't move, you idiot.
>>>
>>> They do when you've smoked as much ganga as Deep did.
>>
>> US aircraft carriers don't "pitch and roll" any more. They are too
>> big. Nimitz class carriers are over 1000 feet long. They are longer
>> than the swells so are unaffected. You can stand a pencil on the
>> table in the mess hall and it will stand upright while the ship is
>> underway.
>>
>
>Yer an idiot.

That seems to be the general consensus. None of his fellow travelers
seem to be defending him.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

[chuckle]

Note the Dudu is unable to defend his lie with a SINGLE cite.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

You've already been "pretty much" proved a liar.

Too bad you can't come up with a single, solitary cite to prove your
moronic statement,

: US aircraft carriers don't "pitch and roll" any more. They are too

: big. Nimitz class carriers are over 1000 feet long. They are longer
: than the swells so are unaffected. You can stand a pencil on the
: table in the mess hall and it will stand upright while the ship is
: underway.

[Jeff M]

On 5/27/2013 9:16 AM, deep wrote:
> On Sun, 26 May 2013 22:03:25 -0700, pyotr filipivich
> <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> They do them on simulated carrier decks lined out on a runway at one
>>>> of the several Naval Air Stations across the country after learning on
>>>> a flight simulator.
>>>
>>> He asked where they carrier qualify. They don't do it on a runway.
>>> Runways don't move, you idiot.
>>
>> They do when you've smoked as much ganga as Deep did.
>

> US aircraft carriers don't "pitch and roll" any more. They are too
> big. Nimitz class carriers are over 1000 feet long. They are longer
> than the swells so are unaffected. You can stand a pencil on the
> table in the mess hall and it will stand upright while the ship is
> underway.

Anecdotal descriptions I've heard from carrier pilots and carrier
crewmen say otherwise. My guess is that everything afloat can be
effected by the sea state, and a Nimitz class carrier would be no
different. Apparently, the aviators rely on some technical guidance
systems to help them manage these effects during landings.

[Ivan Bodley]

"Jeff M" wrote in message
news:l8idnXKAFee5LTnM...@giganews.com...

####

Heck. I'd love to see DooDoo "stand a pencil" , period!

[rbowman]

Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:

> That seems to be the general consensus. None of his fellow travelers
> seem to be defending him.

I was on an aircraft carrier once and it wasn't pitching. Of course, it was
the USS Intrepid safely moored in the Hudson. Does that count as extensive
naval experience?

[Harold Burton]

In article <q999q89uc2hbr1vii...@4ax.com>,

Leftards aren't as dumb as we thought.

In a similar vein Nickname Unavailable keeps insisting that Marx was a
conservative, and again his fellow travelers are giving that nonsense a
pass. :-)

[Scout]

"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:q999q89uc2hbr1vii...@4ax.com...

How can you defend such ignorance, stupidity and dishonesty.

I still note he hasn't come up with an explaination how he was able to rub
elbows with Nimitz sailors in Norfolk when his ship was ported in Mayport
Fl.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Tue, 28 May 2013 07:39:25 -0600, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>
wrote:

I was on the Intrepid (CV11) and the Hornet (CV12).

Both times it was a smooth as glass. They must have had their
"stabilizers" engaged.

[chuckle]

[Scout]

"rbowman" <bow...@montana.com> wrote in message
news:b0jqca...@mid.individual.net...

Probably more than Dudu has.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

I'm looking forward to the description of him driving Navy Generals
back and forth between bases. :>

[deep]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 15:26:14 -0400, "Scout"

I was stationed at Norfolk for systems training prior to reporting to
my ship. And I didn't say I was on the Estocin, I said I was on that
class of frigate.

[Scout]

"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:a7e9q8ll6ao2457tr...@4ax.com...

That would be an interesting claim.... :-)

[Ivan Bodley]

"rbowman" wrote in message news:b0jqca...@mid.individual.net...

###

That's twice as much "experience" as DooDoo will ever have in any military.
But to be honest, you weren't on the Intrepid when Hurricane Sandy was
"having fun with the Hudson." :)
http://www.intrepidmuseum.org/Shuttle/News/Hurricane-Sandy-Update.aspx

But the Enterprise was bruised a bit!
http://www.space.com/18282-shuttle-enterprise-intrepid-hurricane-damage.html

DAMN! Now I can't get that song (
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfBwsG8ubFw ) out of my head!

If I could sue you for that and knew that I could win, I would, you dirty
rat bastard!

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

Why don't you tell us which one?

Then tell us about it's stabilizers.

"Laugh laugh laugh laugh."
ŠLee Harrison 1957-2012, RIP

[M.I.Wakefield]

"Jeff M" wrote in message
news:l8idnXKAFee5LTnM...@giganews.com...

> Anecdotal descriptions I've heard from carrier pilots and carrier crewmen
> say otherwise. My guess is that everything afloat can be effected by the
> sea state, and a Nimitz class carrier would be no different. Apparently,
> the aviators rely on some technical guidance systems to help them manage
> these effects during landings.

I think flying off a carrier is insanely difficult, but the technology has
made it easier than it was:

(from http://www.naval-history.net/xGM-Chrono-04CV-Ark%20Royal.htm)

May 26: At 0835 in position 48-26N, 19-13W, ARK ROYAL flew off 10 Swordfish
to carry out a search for the BISMARCK in a 180 deg. arc from south west to
north east. The weather conditions at this time were wind force 7 from 330
deg., overcast, and visibility 10-12 miles. ARK ROYAL's round down was
rising and falling up to 56 feet.

[Scout]

"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:bue9q89bnbaok7fs3...@4ax.com...

Really? So you went from boot camp to Norfolk and spent enough time there to
become E-5 before being posted to your first ship?

What did you say it was? The FFG-15?

>> And I didn't say I was on the Estocin,

Look above, I've already cited where you said that.

>>I said I was on that
>>class of frigate.

No, you said the Estocian. Interesting side note that you can't spell the
name of the ship you claimed to have served on.

> Why don't you tell us which one?

He did. See above. Oh, and that means you can now document this as yet
another lie by Dudu.

> Then tell us about it's stabilizers.

Yep, I bet they had him down on the mess deck holding the stabilizer stick.

[Scout]

"M.I.Wakefield" <no...@present.com> wrote in message
news:ko2e73$37l$1...@dont-email.me...

Well, today it's generally considered that if the deck is moving more than
20 feet in 5 seconds that it's an emergency type landing situation.
FYI, the typical pitch cycle for a carrier is 10 seconds.

However, in war, you do what you have to.

[SaPeIsMa]

"Gray Guest" <No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote in message
news:XnsA1CDD255B12A8We...@78.46.70.116...

> deep wrote in news:jdq6q8he8t2dpgb0j...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sun, 26 May 2013 22:03:25 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>><ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>They do them on simulated carrier decks lined out on a runway at one
>>>>>of the several Naval Air Stations across the country after learning on
>>>>>a flight simulator.
>>>>
>>>>He asked where they carrier qualify. They don't do it on a runway.
>>>>Runways don't move, you idiot.
>>>
>>> They do when you've smoked as much ganga as Deep did.
>>
>> US aircraft carriers don't "pitch and roll" any more. They are too
>> big. Nimitz class carriers are over 1000 feet long. They are longer
>> than the swells so are unaffected. You can stand a pencil on the
>> table in the mess hall and it will stand upright while the ship is
>> underway.
>>
>
> Yer an idiot.
>

Is it also a 1000 feet wide ?
What effect would swells coming from the side or at an angle have ?
(Hint: Pitching and rolling)

Indeed doodoo is an idiot.

[Debbie]

I attended the commissioning of the USS Harry S. Truman. Had a gold pass
and got a nice tour of the ship. Even got to have breakfast with some
other people in the Admiral's quarters. Ship didn't seem to move at all.

[Gunner Asch]

At dock?


--
"You guess the truth hurts?

Really?

"Hurt" aint the word.

For Liberals, the truth is like salt to a slug.
Sunlight to a vampire.
Raid® to a cockroach.
Sheriff Brody to a shark
Bush to a Liberal

The truth doesn't just hurt. It's painful, like a red hot poker shoved
up their ass. Like sliding down a hundred foot razor blade using their
dick as a brake.

They HATE the truth."

[RD Sandman]

rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote in
news:b0jqca...@mid.individual.net:

That depends on which side of the discussion you are on.

--
Sleep well, tonight.....

RD (The Sandman

You can be young without money, but you
can't be old without it.

[RD Sandman]

Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org> wrote in
news:l8idnXKAFee5LTnM...@giganews.com:

Carriers react to large swells but not to chop. ;)

[Debbie]

Yes, at dock. I was being flippant.

[Rudy Canoza]

On 5/27/2013 7:16 AM, deep wrote:
> On Sun, 26 May 2013 22:03:25 -0700, pyotr filipivich
> <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> They do them on simulated carrier decks lined out on a runway at one
>>>> of the several Naval Air Stations across the country after learning on
>>>> a flight simulator.
>>>
>>> He asked where they carrier qualify. They don't do it on a runway.
>>> Runways don't move, you idiot.
>>
>> They do when you've smoked as much ganga as Deep did.
>
> US aircraft carriers don't "pitch and roll" any more. They are too
> big. Nimitz class carriers are over 1000 feet long. They are longer
> than the swells so are unaffected. You can stand a pencil on the
> table in the mess hall and it will stand upright while the ship is
> underway.

You see there, Roselles, you stupid fuckstain? It was your fellow
left-wing shit-eater Dudu Scheisskopf who said it, not little klauschen.


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