How to Live on Minimum Wage
chesucat
Live like a mexican!
If you are taken to the ER, then don't say or sign anything. DO NOT
provide any ID to the hospital staff, especially your cursed SSN.
Just say "que" a lot! They have to treat you any emergency condition
under EMTALA and nothing more.
I agree that a vehicle is a money drain, but remember you will need
travel very light, or have friends you can call on to help move your
stuff.
Rural areas and small towns are usually cheaper to live in than big
cities and the wretched 'burbs.
Cook and eat a lot of rice and beans, visit the bakery for days old
breads they throw out.
Barter, barter, barter! Do not file a tax form if you don't owe
taxes. It's not worth getting into the IRS database for some piddly
EIC check. Remember, if you don't file a tax return then you don't
have to worry about some stupid fine for not having "health
insurance". If the government wants you to really have health
insurance then they would instituting a "pay as you go" plan, like
they do with Social Security and FICA.
book...@yahoo.com
My idea is to 1) get on all the government dole lists you can; 2)
apply for government subsidized housing; 3) learn how to live in your
place; 4) network among friends and associates, but not let them move
in on you, unless children or parents you can control.
You will be under the tax radar as a "low-income" person, yet get all
the benefits of housing @ of a low percentage of your income, medical
insurance, etc.. You can even get free food once a month that comes
in a large box.
Those who try to remain proud and independent of government dole are
playing a fool's game. Have to play by Darwin's Rules, which for
humans means using your head. bookburn
chesucat
>
> My idea is to 1) get on all the government dole lists you can; 2)
> apply for government subsidized housing; 3) learn how to live in your
> place; 4) network among friends and associates, but not let them move
> in on you, unless children or parents you can control.
>
> You will be under the tax radar as a "low-income" person, yet get all
> the benefits of housing @ of a low percentage of your income, medical
> insurance, etc.. You can even get free food once a month that comes
> in a large box.
>
> Those who try to remain proud and independent of government dole are
> playing a fool's game. Have to play by Darwin's Rules, which for
> humans means using your head. bookburn
It's not so much being "proud and independent of the government", it
is because the government dole require to much loss of privacy and
freedom. I would prefer living off the grid than under the radar.
But, if it not possible to live totally off the radar then I guess one
could live off the dole to some degree. The key is not to be a target
and be able to fade into the background.
book...@yahoo.com
Well, I'm not saying living on the dole is better than going your own
way, but just that to survive you can swim with the stream, instead of
struggling to keep your head above water. At least opting for
government living you can have some security and few worries, like
dog-eat-dog competition. Nothing to brag about.
I'm referring to what's available for those living below "minimum
income" level, which is surprisingly high, like $25K US a year, last
time I looked. Because the formula allows you to waver a car and even
a house, you can have all your money in them and still qualify. It's
so outrageously unfair that I encourage everyone to apply, not just
street people and illegals.
And from what I understand, it's going on in Britain and other
countries about the same. bookburn
book...@yahoo.com
And here's an early morning after-thought. Darwin's Rules are not
mainly about "survival of the fittest", or strongest, or who jumps up
and grabs the brass ring. What he said, I think, is that survival is
a matter of adapting to conditions. You adapt, and you can reproduce
and continue the species. Probably lots of things involved in
adaptation, like ability to improvise tools, prepare for what's
coming, etc.. Maybe you morph in some uncanny ways for defense and/or
food gathering.
I'm betting Darwin would say to seriously consider knowing how to
advantage yourself of public/government resources, and benefits like
housing, medical, dental, legal, and food stamps are an amazing
advantage for basic survival.
(Those trying to enjoy the Christmas spirit, please ignore the
following.)
You would have to prove to me that something worthwhile is involved in
people without resources trying to roll boulders uphill in these
economic environments. (For those with anti-education biases, the
"rolling bolder's uphill" image is a reference to the impossible task
given Hercules, who to escape his predicament in the underworld has to
roll a bolder uphill, which is impossible because the hill is inclined
so the higher he can roll it, the more it weighs.) Like they say,
"Life's a bitch, and then you die."
Merry Christmas, bookburn
Stormin Mormon
are serious costs to public aid. Such as loss of privacy,
time (taking forever, sitting in the waiting room) and other
costs. Being told by government workers what to do. As the
health control bill passes, it may be the only game in town.
A couple decades ago, I went through a lean time with my
business. I went to welfare, to see what they could do. It
turns out that if I bought an item for $6 and installed it
for $10 that was considered $10 income, even though I only
had $4 in my pocket after the job. Found out that after an
entire day of sitting in the waiting room to meet with a
counsellor, and then meeting with another counsellor, that I
was only eligible for emergency food stamps, which I didn't
pursue.
My guess is that any government money will start off easy to
use, and the requirements and imposition will rapidly grow.
--
Christopher A. Young
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<cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
>It will be interesting to see. As others have written, there
>are serious costs to public aid. Such as loss of privacy,
>time (taking forever, sitting in the waiting room) and other
>costs. Being told by government workers what to do. As the
>health control bill passes, it may be the only game in town.
>
>A couple decades ago, I went through a lean time with my
>business. I went to welfare, to see what they could do. It
>turns out that if I bought an item for $6 and installed it
>for $10 that was considered $10 income, even though I only
>had $4 in my pocket after the job. Found out that after an
>entire day of sitting in the waiting room to meet with a
>counsellor, and then meeting with another counsellor, that I
>was only eligible for emergency food stamps, which I didn't
>pursue.
>
>My guess is that any government money will start off easy to
>use, and the requirements and imposition will rapidly grow.
I'm seeing the basic programs for Utah in the Public Benefits
Handbook, at
http://www.utahlegalservices.org/public/self-help-webpages/public-benefits-handbook
Information on:
Financial Assistance and Food Stamps
Unemployment Compensation
Medicaid and PCN
Social Security Disability and SSI Benefits
Noncitizen Eligibility
Hearing Rights and Overpayments
The site even has info on applying for housing if you and your case
worker identify it as a priority.
Don't deny the credit fairy.
Dan
> You would have to prove to me that something worthwhile is involved in
> people without resources trying to roll boulders uphill in these
> economic environments. (For those with anti-education biases, the
> "rolling bolder's uphill" image is a reference to the impossible task
> given Hercules, who to escape his predicament in the underworld has to
> roll a bolder uphill, which is impossible because the hill is inclined
> so the higher he can roll it, the more it weighs.) Like they say,
> "Life's a bitch, and then you die."
>
> Merry Christmas, bookburn
Speaking of education: here it comes!
The man you are looking for is Sisyphus...
In Greek mythology, Sisyphus (pronounced /ˈsɪsəfəs/; Greek: Σίσυφος
sísypʰos Ell-Sisyfos.ogg [ˈsisifos] (help·info)) was a king punished in
Tartarus by being cursed to roll a huge boulder up a hill [every day],
only to watch it roll back down [each night], and to repeat this
throughout eternity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisyphus
Good old Catholic School education.
Dan
book...@yahoo.com
>book...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> You would have to prove to me that something worthwhile is involved in
>> people without resources trying to roll boulders uphill in these
>> economic environments. (For those with anti-education biases, the
>> "rolling bolder's uphill" image is a reference to the impossible task
>> given Hercules, who to escape his predicament in the underworld has to
>> roll a bolder uphill, which is impossible because the hill is inclined
>> so the higher he can roll it, the more it weighs.) Like they say,
>> "Life's a bitch, and then you die."
>>
>> Merry Christmas, bookburn
>
>Speaking of education: here it comes!
>
>The man you are looking for is Sisyphus...
>
>In Greek mythology, Sisyphus (pronounced /?s?s?f?s/; Greek: ???????
>s�syp?os Ell-Sisyfos.ogg [?sisifos] (help�info)) was a king punished in
>Tartarus by being cursed to roll a huge boulder up a hill [every day],
>only to watch it roll back down [each night], and to repeat this
>throughout eternity.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisyphus
>
>Good old Catholic School education.
>
>Dan
Oh, sorry. I must have had a rock and roll flashback to Rolling
Stones Magazine or maybe the Hurcules and Zena episode where she
rescues him from a rolling rock.
Gregg
>
> - Show quoted text -
Interesting thread. What do you mean by "waver a car?"
book...@yahoo.com
wrote:
Like in the State of Utah, you can apply for Adult Public Assistance
with a car worth up to so much money. It's listed as $8,000 at the
site I cite for Morman below.
Frank
> It will be interesting to see. As others have written, there
> are serious costs to public aid. Such as loss of privacy,
> time (taking forever, sitting in the waiting room) and other
> costs. Being told by government workers what to do. As the
> health control bill passes, it may be the only game in town.
>
> A couple decades ago, I went through a lean time with my
> business. I went to welfare, to see what they could do. It
> turns out that if I bought an item for $6 and installed it
> for $10 that was considered $10 income, even though I only
> had $4 in my pocket after the job. Found out that after an
> entire day of sitting in the waiting room to meet with a
> counsellor, and then meeting with another counsellor, that I
> was only eligible for emergency food stamps, which I didn't
> pursue.
>
> My guess is that any government money will start off easy to
> use, and the requirements and imposition will rapidly grow.
>
My experience was getting my father on Medicaid after he had a stroke
and needed nursing home care. Took me a few months and several trips to
the bank and Medicaid office but it was worth it as when his net worth
declined to the maximum and Medicaid kicked in his nursing home costs
were assured and hassle of putting up with the bureaucrats was over. I
had further health insurance problems with him and the Medicaid people
were useless in giving advice.
Similarly signing up for social security was a hassle. I could have
strangled the girl in the SS office as she did not understand that while
I was continuing to do work I could throttle my income to the minimum to
avoid loss of benefits. Since learned that I could have done it by mail
or in another office.
Once past the idiot bureaucrats, it can be smooth sailing.
CanopyCo
Medicaid and food stamps will not allow you to own anything above the
minimum to live at that time.
No looking ahead.
Can’t have a house you live in and a RV to use now and then.
RV or house has to go before you qualify.
Can’t have two autos, even if it is a car that gets great gas mileage
and a truck that you use for work to make money.
One has to go before you qualify.
Can’t have any money at all over about $2000, like that is enough to
do anything with if something breaks, like you loose a roof or need to
replace a transition.
If you take a job, you are docked for the pay you will get if you get
paid.
They take it out when you take the job, not when you get paid.
How you are expected to find money to go to work and now also pay for
food they don’t tell you.
And if you get stiffed on your pay, to bad.
The thing that is really idiot to me is the fact that you can’t eat
any of this stuff, and you won’t get squat if you panic sell it so
basically you are expected to just toss it in the dump.
And if you do, they call you a lyre about what you got for it and dump
you anyway.
After all, no one would sell a new truck that you bough with your
settlement for $10,000 and only get $100 for it, even if you can’t eat
it and needed food.
They won’t give you food until you sell it, and they expect you to get
market value for it when you do.
They have no clue as to what it takes to survive without lots of money
to hire everything done, and they won’t let you keep the tools to do
it yourself that you bought when you did have money.
I think the rules were set up by republicans just trying to look like
they are helping when actually trying to press people into making bad
decisions that eventually will get them killed and off the roll.
Stormin Mormon
have to be totally dependant on them. And, then, they make
you miserable and keep you miserable. Why... doesn't that
sound like the future health care bill?
--
Christopher A. Young
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Stormin Mormon
As decribed by Rush Limbaugh, liberals want to create more
dependancy. Conservatives want to help others to be self
sufficient. Liberals measure compassion by how many people
get welfare payments. Conservatives measure compassion by
how many people are self sufficient, and off welfare.
Now, if those liberals were in the Democrat or Republican
party, they still sound like liberals.
--
Christopher A. Young
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Dan
> What you are describing is welfare laws written by liberals.
> As decribed by Rush Limbaugh, liberals want to create more
> dependancy. Conservatives want to help others to be self
> sufficient. Liberals measure compassion by how many people
> get welfare payments. Conservatives measure compassion by
> how many people are self sufficient, and off welfare.
Nonsense. Conservatives measure compassion by how well people treat
people with money, and care none at all for people without (except that
they are a cheap supply of labor to be rotated so that none will ever
accumulate money).
> Now, if those liberals were in the Democrat or Republican
> party, they still sound like liberals.
There are no liberals in the Republican Party - the RP stands for
everything illiberal. Of course, they aren't conservatives, either...
Dan