Japanese nuclear fallout map.
deepdudu
CanopyCo
> Damn.
>
> http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/438/fallout.jpg
Any idea as to the accuracy of this map.
In any case it should show what to expect when you put a nuke plant in
a earth quake area.
deepdudu
wrote:
I don't know the accuracy. It seems to be from an official source. I
think it must be worst case scenario, because according to radiation
charts even 750 rads is fatal. At least I hope that's worse case
scenario. If not that means evacuation of and probably a permanent
poisoning of soil and water across the entire western US.
Frank
Look at radiation LD50 dosages:
http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/basic-ref/glossary/lethal-dose-ld.html
You'll see it is 400 to 450 rems. Other place says rad = rem.
I'm having difficulty with this chart as it would indicate everyone on
the west coast could be killed. Even though this might be good for the
rest of the US, I suspect chart is wildly exaggerated. Otherwise all the
nuclear testing we did in the Pacific years ago would have done it.
bob haller
> On 3/12/2011 11:56 AM, Deep Dudu wrote:
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will this be the new japan?http://www.kiddofspeed.com/chernobyl-
revisited/
assuming that map must be wrong for the US a big chunk of japan may be
uninhabitible, just like around chernobyl.
Imagine the disruption of forced relocation of all or a large chunk of
japan:( where would they all go? and who would pay for it? does the
world even have the ships to move that many people out of harms way?
Frank
Googled up this comparison:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704838804576196760647909824.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
Fallout would be different and less noxious if it occurs.
Steve from Colorado
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Steve from Colorado
> On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 07:38:51 -0700, Deep Dudu wrote:
> >Damn.
>
> >http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/438/fallout.jpg
>
> industry is that, while the people who run nuclear power plants won't
> actually lie, they won't exactly tell the whole truth either. When
> they start handing out iodine tablets and evacuating people from miles
> around the reactor, you can pretty well bet that what's being told is
> a very well crafted picture of the best case scenario.
>
> Have you ever looked at how many of the pressurized water reactors in
> the US are located in earthquake prone areas? Don't worry though,
> because we are assured that they too have been designed to safely
> withstand earthquakes although most of them have been re licensed to
> operate beyond their initial life expectancy.
>
> Let's see if Japan can be an exception to the three day rule that says
> civil unrest and looting will begin around the third day after a major
> disaster. Given their history with earthquakes, if anyone can be the
> exception, it will be them.
Japanese people, like Germans and other Northern Europeans, don't tend
to loot like some other ethnic groups. Compare the African Muslims in
the Paris suburbs or the Blacks in New Orleans during and after
Katrina with how people in Iowa or Germany behave during floods. The
Iowans and Europeans will work together with sand bags and build up
levees and dikes while the other ethnic group will loot stores and
then stand on roofs of houses with signs begging to be rescued when
the flood waters rise. The Japanes won't loot or steal or riot, IMO.
Steve from Colorado
>
> Fallout would be different and less noxious if it occurs.
Fallout from a nuclear reactor meltdown is orders of magnitude more
toxic to living organisms than from atomic weapons. The Chernobyl
meltdown put out some 5,000 times the radiation than the two bombs
dropped on Japan combined, IIRC.
Steve from Colorado
> On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 13:15:56 -0800 (PST), Steve from Colorado
> amok. Those batteries should be about out of juice by now. Perhaps
> they can call stormin to loan them a few.
Indeed. Check out the photo here before they change it. It reminds
me of photos of Japan after the fire bombings in World War II.
>
> <http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/12/japan-quake-nuclear-cooling...>
greylock
I'm going to assume you don't know any better - Chernobyl is NOT
comparable to any of the current generation light water reactors.
Not ever and not in any way...........
If you're interested you can easily prove this to yourself - if
you're not, you won't look and will simply assume I am lying.
But I have a Masters Degree in Nuclear Engineering and about 15 years
experience in the industry.
And I no longer make my living from working in the nuclear industry -
so you can forget aobut that line too.
The map is most likely total bullshit - but I will stop short of
stating that it definitely is - because I have no idea what sort of
assumptions went into creating the map.
I know what gets released and it is either heavy enough to fall out in
the ocean - long prior to getting to the US - or it is lighter than
air and will disperse UPWARD into the upper atmosphere.
DogDiesel
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Not true. fall or disperse is bullshit. The japs bombed Oregon during WW2
with balloons and they followed the air currents here .Chinese pollution
makes it to california. Im not sure of the map either but some radiation
is going to come here.
DogDiesel
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> On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 13:14:08 -0800 (PST), Steve from Colorado
> <gas...@hushmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mar 12, 9:23 am, Deucalion <some...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 07:38:51 -0700, Deep Dudu wrote:
>>> >Damn.
>>>
>>> >http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/438/fallout.jpg
>>>
>>> One of the first things you find out if you work in the nuclear
>>> industry is that, while the people who run nuclear power plants won't
>>> actually lie, they won't exactly tell the whole truth either. When
>>> they start handing out iodine tablets and evacuating people from miles
>>> around the reactor, you can pretty well bet that what's being told is
>>> a very well crafted picture of the best case scenario.
>>>
>>> Have you ever looked at how many of the pressurized water reactors in
>>> the US are located in earthquake prone areas? Don't worry though,
>>> because we are assured that they too have been designed to safely
>>> withstand earthquakes although most of them have been re licensed to
>>> operate beyond their initial life expectancy.
>>>
>>> Let's see if Japan can be an exception to the three day rule that says
>>> civil unrest and looting will begin around the third day after a major
>>> disaster. Given their history with earthquakes, if anyone can be the
>>> exception, it will be them.
>>
Its not a big enough disaster for civil unrest and looting. Really,
there's very little large city damage in Japan.
And Japanese people already are a cash and carry society. And are used to
living in boxes. And they aren't dependant on electricity. Their heating
needs are minimal. Industry is diverse and food is available and separated
regionally. I see very little to be disrupted. For average jap people.
Its an unfortunate accident, But Its unlikely civil unrest will develop.
Diesel.
Strabo
Here's some evidence.
The Japanese Current flows from Alaska down half of the West Coast.
That's why the coastline of Washington and Oregon are mild during the
winter.
Strabo
The rad is a unit of absorbed radiation dose. The rad was first proposed
in 1918 as "that quantity of X rays which when absorbed will cause the
destruction of the [malignant mammalian] cells in question..."[1] It was
defined in CGS units in 1953 as the dose causing 100 ergs of energy to
be absorbed by one gram of matter. It was restated in SI units in 1970
as the dose causing 0.01 joule of energy to be absorbed per kilogram of
matter.
The United States Nuclear Regulatory Commission requires the use of the
units curie, rad and rem as part of the Code of Federal Regulations 10CFR20.
However, Systeme Internationale has introduced as a rival unit the gray;
1 rad is equal to 10 milligray, and 100 rads are equal to 1 Gy. The
continued use of the rad is "strongly discouraged" by the author style
guide of the U.S. National Institute of Standards and Technology.[2]
Nevertheless, use of the rad remains widespread and is still an industry
standard.[3]
[edit] Radiation Poisoning
Main article: Radiation poisoning
To gauge biological effects the dose in rads is multiplied by a 'quality
factor' which is dependent on the type of ionizing radiation. The
modified dose is now measured in rems (roentgen equivalent mammal, or
man)[4]. 100 rem = 1 sievert (Sv). A dose of under 100 rems is
subclinical and will produce nothing other than blood changes. 100 to
200 rems will cause illness but will rarely be fatal. Doses of 200 to
1000 rems will likely cause serious illness with poor outlook at the
upper end of the range. Doses of more than 1000 rems are almost
invariably fatal[5].
- Wikipedia
greylock
wrote:
I never said there would be no radiation at all - I said the map was
not valid in what it showed. But I see you consider yourself an expert
- so have your own fairytale the way you want it.
DogDiesel
> snowing) in the next day or so.
Yup, The japs heat themselves, not their homes. They still use
traditional coal in clay boxes to heat and cook . And can revert back. If
they transitioned to electric heating tables. Cooking is done with bottled
methane or city gas. Which isnt natural gas. They can boil rice and fish
heads and make rice balls. And make miso soup for breakfast.
Its not going to cause civil unrest.
A lot of them still haven't made it
> home or found out about loved ones.
Which doesnt affect unrest either way.
I've already seen news articles
> about shortages and hoarding.
Yup, And it affects them little. When you live on nothing shortages and
hoarding doesnt mean much.
Stores are running out of food.
Yup. But fish heads, dried tuna, miso, dried seeweed and rice goes a
long way. And its all regional. They dont eat meat really much. If there is
rice they are gonna be ok. What will happen . As it does in japan . Prices
will rise. Food priices in japan fluctuate seasonally and regionally. They
eat seasonal food and regional food. And are used to price moves up or down.
I'd
> guess that the tidal wave took out a lot of their fishing industry.
Probably. On a regional scale.
> Public transport is shutdown and roads are closed.
They like to walk. And clean up messes.
Ten percent of the
> country is sitting in the dark.
For half a day each 24 hours. They dont do anything after dark anyways. Its
not enough.
There are five nuclear reactors
> having serious problems cooling their cores.
>
Yes, that is a serious issue indeed. If I lived on the west coast. Id be
plenty worried. Because those will affect California more then Japan in the
long run. Get those iodine tablets.
The Japs are diverse and adaptable. As much as I don't like their racist
bullshit. Or the jap lifestyle. They have much to bring to a survival
situation. They Live on half the wages on the US. Don't really have a grid
or whole country heating supply. Like the US anyways. And are more self
sufficient then the US .Except for oil. They pay a lot for everything.
Already. They still have a big manufacturing base. And it keeps the economy
stable and conservative. A lot of their fishing industry involves small
boats that fish daily. Straight to the docks and restaurants. If they are
gone they will sell straight to the people . From carts and corners . They
will walk for the food and pay cash. Their homes are lightly built , thin
walled uninsulated, boxes.
Its not like the US. Most Japanese live and work and shop and pay
their bills, utilities direct , cash, and live their whole lives within
walking distance of everything. They absolutely hate debt and credit.
They just aren't dependant on giant mega suppliers that control the whole
country. And they do stick together and help their neighbors out. And they
aren't liberal at all. Or have guns. They are responsible, go to work, go
home ,and do nothing. They rent verses own. They have normal families. With
wives that stay home, gather food and water, and men who work. And a bowl
of dried fish soup with seaweed and tofu , and a rice ball is a good day.
And they like it that way.
It helps to stop destruction from getting much farther beyond the actual
destruction.
Have you forgotten the Kobe earthquakes. Around 1998 . They took advantage
of it and rebuilt their steel industry. Out of necessity. They invested in
controlling interest of industries they lost and needed. They acquired what
they needed. Including mine. And brought a lot of cash and brain power to
the table .
If Tokyo or a major city were wrecked, It would be much worse. I would
still argue that civil unrest might not break out. Its very difficult to
stop people who walk everywhere already. It would not be the first time
their major cities burned to the ground. Without civil unrest.
terryc
> I never said there would be no radiation at all - I said the map was
> not valid in what it showed.
My 2c and I'm not nuke engineer. Looks more like propaganda than
anything else.
nature doesn't have straight lines. They are always fuzzy.
CS
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Damn.
http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/438/fallout.jpg
~~~~~~~~~~
That might be useful, if:
There is a meltdown,
If the containment is breached,
If a significant amount of radioactive material becomes airborne, and
If a significant amount of radioactive material remains airborne long enough
to do something.
Any of these by themselves are unlikely. All of them happening is nearly
impossible.
Although "rads" sounds scary, what's more important is the type of radiation
and the exposure method. Curious they used rads. For the past several
years folks have been using rems and curies to measure radiation exposure.
CS
George
It's bullshit. The core has not been breached and the containment can
take a direct hit from a 747 crash without breaking. The containment
vessel will hold the meltdown as it did at Three Mile Island. The
Chernobyl meltdown was not in a containment vessel.
George
released by the tin building blowing up and by cooling water in the area
of the plant. TSA will subject you to more zoomies than you will get
from Japan.
DogDiesel
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The 747 bit is irrelevant. Its heat, not impact. That is the issue.
Its stainless steel and it will melt. Fact is the Japanese gubment is
reporting that at least one or two partial meltdowns probably happened.
They declared it a level 4 already on the nuclear 1-7 scale. Three mile
being a 5 . They are in fact pumping seawater in to cool it. and venting it
to atmosphere to prevent an explosion. And evacuated over 500,000. Again,
I don't know about DuDu s chart. But whatever happens, the radiation , it
wont be reported as big as it really is . In the US for sure.
The pacific atoll fallout area explosions were all smaller . irrelevant
again.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110313/ap_on_re_as/as_japan_earthquake_nuclear_crisis
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42044156/ns/world_news-asia-pacific/?GT1=43001
book...@yahoo.com
>Damn.
>
>http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/438/fallout.jpg
What I heard about other nuclear fallouts is that it gets up into the
atmosphere and circles the earth for a long time. The footprint maps
at
http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/tropic/real-time/eastpac/winds/winds.html
might show what that's about.
I suppose the Jet Stream that carries stuff at high velocity toward
the West Coast of the US will do it's thing. According to the site at
http://squall.sfsu.edu/crws/jetstream.html,
right now it is swinging north towards Vancouver Island, then
continuing east across the middle of the US.
Radioactive particles get into the snow that falls to earth, but in
minute amounts--so far.
book...@yahoo.com
wrote:
Interesting aspect of Japanese survival seems to be their religious
belief in Shintoism, which as I understand it is based on an animistic
understanding of nature and how everything has soul. They believe the
kami, or spirits in things, can be prayed to, I think.
What will Japanese religion do for earthquake survivors? Here's one
critical rambling description from the site at
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~QM9T-KNDU/shintoism.htm
(quote)
What can religion and religious organizations do in a natural
catastrophe?
At 5:46 a.m. on Tuesday, January 17, 1995, a devastating earthquake
hit Kobe and its neighboring areas. More than 6,400 people were
killed. Many of them were crushed to death while sleeping in wooden
houses. Ruptured gas lines ignited, fueled by the wooden construction
material, and broken water mains kept firefighters from combating. The
elevated expressway spanning Osaka and Kobe, which was supposed to be
quake-proof under seismic technology collapsed for one kilo-meter
long. Almost all of main roads were unusable blocked by collapsed
buildings. With nowhere to live in, no water and no electricity,
survivors had to get by anyhow.
Yasuo Tanaka (1956-), Akutagawa-Prize winning novelist, TV personality
and politician, watched the news on TV, and thought what he could do
for the victims as an individual.
He flew to Osaka immediately and bought a mini motorcycle, following
suggestions of Nishinomiya Catholic church (his parents were baptized
Christians). The motorcycle was a best vehicle not only to commute
between Osaka and Kobe, but also to run around wrecked areas in Kobe.
What he carried in the beginning were bottled water, tissue paper
etc., and gave them out in person to those who barely survived in the
area where no cars or truck were able to reach. He shuttled between
Tokyo and Osaka by air two or three times a week and commuted to Kobe
by motorcycle like a newspaper delivery boy from early in the morning
till late at night, dealing with many tasks he had with TV and radio
stations and magazine publishers in Tokyo. He called for whomever he
had connections with to help afflicted people in Kobe.
Within two weeks, Volkswagen donated a Vanagon, Beneton offered
thousands of underwear, Cathay Pacific promised to provide 2,000
overnight kits for passengers. Foreign companies were more supportive
than domestic ones. Tanaka carried those products driving Vanagon
himself and delivered them to the sufferers. His work as an individual
volunteer continued for more than half a year. Through charities, he
witnessed what human behaviors were like when a catastrophe attacked
urban cities.
Temples and shrines usually have halls, which are usable as shelters,
and grounds where temporary tent villages can be built. According to
Tanaka, not only did few offered such services, but they declined
Tanaka's request to do so, saying they were also victims and busy
taking care of themselves.
Tanaka first contacted Catholic churches in Nishinomiya and Kobe, and
joined their relief operation, but later he began his activities in
his own way. Before long, he found a Buddhist temple priest was
engaged in rescuing people. As the priest alone couldn't do much, he
asked the sect's headquarters, which hosts hundreds of young trainees
in the mountain, to come down to Kobe and help the victims as a
practical training. The headquarters rejected the request, saying they
are orientated to spiritual training, not for secular affairs.
Tanaka also sharply rebuked the mass media. A host of reporters,
journalists, TV personalities, anchor-person or whatever you may call
them, rushed to Kobe for coverage. Many chauffeured limousine for them
and their crews were parked on main streets of central Kobe, making
traffic jam even worse. They gave no hand whatsoever to the victims.
Tanaka wrote in his Kobe Quake Diary a case covered by a widely known
journalist, who dubbed himself as "Japanese Walter Cronkite". He and
his crew flew to Kobe shortly after the quake and videotaped without
getting a permission a young man desperately looking for his parents
trapped under the wreckage. As they continued taping, the young man
said to them crying "Stop it!", but they didn't. Instead, the Japanese
Cronkite ended the coverage on TV saying "The victim's anger seems to
have turned to the mass media". At least, he had to get the young
man's permission before coverage. All he had in mind at the time was
how to improve TV ratings. Tanaka pointed out the mass media didn't
have even a sense of ethics.
While biking around devastated area, Tanaka often witnessed groups of
the biggest yakuza, of which headquarters are located in Kobe,
offering people with hot drinks and foods at street corners. They were
far more helpful than religious organizations. ["yakuza" refers to
an alliance of criminal organizations and illegal enterprises.]
Tanaka also criticized officials of the local government including
Governor of Hyogo Prefecture, who must have witnessed how badly Kobe
was damaged through the windows of his official residence the moment
the tremor hit, but went to the office at 9 o'clock with a chauffeured
car as usual as if nothing has happened. They had, says Tanaka, no
sense of crisis management at all.
In conclusion, religion and religious organizations can do little in a
natural catastrophe.
(unquote)
Stormin Mormon
Mormons were there in some numbers, too. But, it's not
encouraging that the Shintos were self absorbed.
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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deepdudu
wrote:
I think that chart is based on a total meltdown causing a total
catastrophic failure and explosion of the containment vessel. ie
worse case scenario. I don't know how they came up with the exposure
levels. They seem extremely high. Let's hope it doesn't come to
that. It would be a nation killer for sure.
robert bowman
> They have normal families. With
> wives that stay home, gather food and water, and men who work. And a bowl
> of dried fish soup with seaweed and tofu , and a rice ball is a good day.
> And they like it that way.
I think you've been watching too many samurai movies. Fast forward to the
21st century..
robert bowman
> Sounds like the Catholics were in action. I'm guessing the
> Mormons were there in some numbers, too. But, it's not
> encouraging that the Shintos were self absorbed.
There is sort of a division of labor, with Shinto doing festivals, and the
Buddhist priest doing funerals. Many Japanese are both and the shrines are
often colocated. Maybe earthquake relief falls into the Buddhist camp.
The Mormon missionaries are all present and accounted for.
Steve from Colorado
No I wouldn't. Why would you think that?
>
> But I have a Masters Degree in Nuclear Engineering and about 15 years
> experience in the industry.
>
> And I no longer make my living from working in the nuclear industry -
> so you can forget aobut that line too.
My, my. So paranoid. It never occurred to me to say any such thing.
Are you a battered husband or a survivor of an alcoholic family? You
expect to be put down when there's no reason to think such a thought.
>
> The map is most likely total bullshit - but I will stop short of
> stating that it definitely is - because I have no idea what sort of
> assumptions went into creating the map.
I remember when the Chernobyl meltdown happened they told mothers of
young children not to buy milk in the Pacific Northwest and in
Colorado because it was contaminated with fallout from Ukraine. Japan
is much closer than Ukraine. While the map may be overstating the
severity of the fallout, I was not the original poster and refuse to
take ownership of the data it purports to show.
>
> I know what gets released and it is either heavy enough to fall out in
> the ocean - long prior to getting to the US - or it is lighter than
> air and will disperse UPWARD into the upper atmosphere.
Again, Chernobyl fallout contaminated the fields in the U.S. where
dairy cows grazed. The EU banned produce from Turkey after
Chernobyl's reactor meltdown. The reactors in Japan were built prior
to Chernobyl so one might expect similar result, although I don't have
the expertise and background you do. It's good to see educated and
professional people such as yourself posting in alt.survival. It
demonstrates that there are some above average people posting here who
bring a wealth of information to the table for all to benefit from.
My own formal education is in political science with post-graduate
studies in business administration.
greylock
I've posted in the newgroups before - easier to forestall that kind of
discussion.
>
>>
>> The map is most likely total bullshit - but I will stop short of
>> stating that it definitely is - because I have no idea what sort of
>> assumptions went into creating the map.
>
>I remember when the Chernobyl meltdown happened they told mothers of
>young children not to buy milk in the Pacific Northwest and in
>Colorado because it was contaminated with fallout from Ukraine. Japan
>is much closer than Ukraine. While the map may be overstating the
>severity of the fallout, I was not the original poster and refuse to
>take ownership of the data it purports to show.
>
>>
>> I know what gets released and it is either heavy enough to fall out in
>> the ocean - long prior to getting to the US - or it is lighter than
>> air and will disperse UPWARD into the upper atmosphere.
>
>Again, Chernobyl fallout contaminated the fields in the U.S. where
>dairy cows grazed. The EU banned produce from Turkey after
>Chernobyl's reactor meltdown. The reactors in Japan were built prior
>to Chernobyl so one might expect similar result, although I don't have
>the expertise and background you do. It's good to see educated and
>professional people such as yourself posting in alt.survival. It
>demonstrates that there are some above average people posting here who
>bring a wealth of information to the table for all to benefit from.
>My own formal education is in political science with post-graduate
>studies in business administration.
Chernobyl was a "Graphite Pile" type of reactor.
Utterly different from modern light water reactors.
Light water reactors have three barriers to the escape of reactive
materials (radioactive stuff). The fuel pins are sealed with a
cladding of metal. The primary containment - which consists of the
"wetted boundary" of the coolant that runs through the core around the
fuel pins and it's attendant piping, pumps, and heat exchangers. And
lastly the secondary containment that consists of the reinforced
concrete "shell" around the entire water system.
The Chernobyl Graphite Pile reactor had NO secondary containment at
all beyond a metal building to keep the snow off.
A very similar - but smaller - accident occurred in England called the
Windscale Accident.
The biggest negative of the graphite pile accident is that it actually
involves the burning of the graphite - which surrounds the piping of
the water system. This entire phenomenon has absolutely no counterpart
in light water reactors. It is the burning of the graphite pile that
is largely responsible for the horrific end results of the Chernobyl
Accident.
I am not trying to minimize the problems they are having in Japan -
but I don't want to see them sensationalized either.
Whatever happens WILL NOT be a Chernobyl repeat. What I have heard so
far sounds like a core overheating followed by the possible rupture of
a small percentage of the fuel pins. I cannot - nor can anyone else -
know any more than that right now unless they have a source of
information the rest of us have not seen.
I would point out that by introducing sea water into the secondary and
primary containment - they have pretty much guaranteed that all of the
equipment will have to be scrapped. This is not to say the units
cannot be rebuilt - but not with the existing equipment.
Steve from Colorado
> On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 11:26:21 -0700 (PDT), Steve from Colorado
>
>
>
>
>
Thank you for sharing your expertise. There is a Taiwan heavy
industries corporation that sells complete power plants which are
built on large barges which can be towed to coastal cities and provide
enough power for a city the size of San Francisco. These are diesel
powered plants which pollute to the degree that they would not pass
EPA standards, but can fill in when needed. Unfortunately, they would
be problematic if another tsunami struck the area. :<(((
DogDiesel
I was under the impression thay were closing the whole site at the end of
the month anyways. Because it was a GE Type 1 design that had design flaws .
Diesel
DogDiesel
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Whatever you say. And I bet you think you think everywhere is like
America.
DogDiesel
Your problem is you think modern Tokyo is what the rest of Japan is like .
It isn't.
When the last time you talked to a Jap guy. I've been talking to some for
10 years. Had some meals with some too.
KOBE engineers walk around my plant daily.
Dried fish soup , seaweed, and tofu is breakfast in Japan.
Fish soup and tofu and rice balls is dinner.
I surprised them once and made some.Since they don't know where to get Jap
food. You should of seen em going nuts over fish soup. like mamas used to
make.
The women are 40 years behind ours. They aren't feminized into hating men or
shirking their domestic duties.
Their average wages are half of ours.
Plenty of villages have centralized city water locations they walk too.
My statement is accurate.
Divorce is damn near extinct, except in progressive Tokyo.
A steak is 75 bucks and a forkful of tuna is 20.
You aren't allowed to drive a car to Tokyo to work.
You stop on the freeway. When the traffic stops. You lock up your car, park
and walk a mile to work. When you leave, you walk to your parked car on the
freeway. And drive home.
Youd be eating fish soup too.
At those prices.
CanopyCo
One of the news places stated that 80% of Japanese were on the web.
Doesn’t sound like paper huts to me.
What I have seen regarding Japanese life is that they live in small
apartments and sleep on a mat on the floor due to the large population
and the small island.
That indicates that there is a large population that is now homeless
in a small area.
One news source stated that there was bare shelves in the stores and
that water was in short supply.
5 gallons of gas per day was the present ration.
Jack Boot
>Damn.
>http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/438/fallou
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Damn is right...that stuff is headed straight for me!
Thanks for posting.
Jack Boot
Jack Boot
>One of the news places stated that 80% of
>Japanese were on the web.
Probably true. A news item on tv claimed the average IQ in Japan was 135
!
btw- would anyone know what per cent of Americans are on the web?
Jack Boot
bob haller
containment the water level dropped FAST, and another reactors waste
core storage pool had damage, lost cooling water, and the cores caught
on fire:(
all is not well, and things appear to be getting worse:(