Blood tracking light

[Stormin Mormon]

Thanks, Frank. I've got a new category of light, for my list.

Blood tracking light. Hmm. How's that done, all? Red light to make the blood shine?

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[Frank]

I've actually got a couple of them.

One is rather puny but does highlight blood.
Other is much stronger but fact is that I have yet to try either in
actual tracking situation.

Just looked at the stronger one: three LED's, a red, a blue and a white.

Tracking can be quite a challenge. I lost one last year with a good
blood trail and 3 hours of light left. Even picked up another hunter
who helped me. Both of us had left our packs and lights back at the
stands and had to give up at dark.

[CanopyCo]

On May 19, 7:46 am, "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**NOJUN...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_2pVXuQTdc

[rbowman]

Stormin Mormon wrote:

> Blood tracking light. Hmm. How's that done, all? Red light to make the
> blood shine?

More likely blue/ultraviolet to give it contrast.

[Gunner Asch]

On Sun, 19 May 2013 11:34:53 -0600, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>
wrote:

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[Frank]

Nice clip.
My light with only 3 LED's looks much brighter than his.
The real life blood trail he showed would have been easy to track with
any light. I've had well hit deer that did not travel far but
practically left no blood. If you don't have a low exit wound, blood
can accumulate in the chest cavity and deer expires rapidly without
spraying blood. The challenge is to find deer that may have 25 yards
between spots of blood.

[ne...@nowhere.org]

On Sun, 19 May 2013 14:43:04 -0400, Frank
<frankdo...@comcast.net> wrote:

>On 5/19/2013 10:36 AM, CanopyCo wrote:
>> On May 19, 7:46 am, "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**NOJUN...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Thanks, Frank. I've got a new category of light, for my list.
>>>
>>> Blood tracking light. Hmm. How's that done, all? Red light to make the blood shine?
>>>
>>> .
>>> Christopher A. Young
>>> Learn more about Jesus
>>> www.lds.org
>>> .
>>> .
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_2pVXuQTdc
>>
>
>Nice clip.
>My light with only 3 LED's looks much brighter than his.
>The real life blood trail he showed would have been easy to track with
>any light. I've had well hit deer that did not travel far but
>practically left no blood.

Then it wasn't a "well hit deer", IMHO.

>If you don't have a low exit wound, blood
>can accumulate in the chest cavity and deer expires rapidly without
>spraying blood.

Heart shooters have that problem, head shooters don't.

>The challenge is to find deer that may have 25 yards
>between spots of blood.

The challenge is to drop it in its own shadow at high noon or don't
pull the trigger.

Newb

[Frank]

I'm thinking more like a bow hunter.
Seasons are earlier and there is more vegetation for cover.
Arrows kill by cutting and even a heart shot deer can run 200 yards
before collapsing.
I once arrowed a doe directly below my tree stand. Hit her high in the
back where arrow went through both lungs and stopped in upper part of
leg without penetrating. Early morning, I waited a half hour, bright
sunlight, got out of tree stand, no arrow, no blood. Went out to field
where she had run and there she lay about 100 yards away. No blood
trail with very well hit deer.
Similar things have happened to me in the evening where good lights are
important.

[ne...@nowhere.org]

On Mon, 20 May 2013 08:14:56 -0400, Frank

Mea culpa, I should've figured that out.

>Seasons are earlier and there is more vegetation for cover.
>Arrows kill by cutting and even a heart shot deer can run 200 yards
>before collapsing.
>I once arrowed a doe directly below my tree stand. Hit her high in the
>back where arrow went through both lungs and stopped in upper part of
>leg without penetrating. Early morning, I waited a half hour, bright
>sunlight, got out of tree stand, no arrow, no blood. Went out to field
>where she had run and there she lay about 100 yards away. No blood
>trail with very well hit deer.
>Similar things have happened to me in the evening where good lights are
>important.

I've never bow hunted, partially for that reason, I hate tracking
wounded critters. And the meat always tastes gamey due to the huge
adrenaline release. I've never trophy hunted, always been a feed the
family job. If I'm going through all of the work I want it to taste
good too.

Where we Elk hunt it's swamp and wet lands off on the N & E perimeters
and we've had to go wading through that muck a few times due to an
inexperienced trigger finger. They only do that once. You can tell
who's been there by the hip waders in their gear bag <g>.

Me, I'm a bait and wait guy. I can pack out a Blacktail myself, but
not any farther than I have to. I've got a blind behind a big old
Maple tree that's about 60' from an old apple orchard. I just cut and
smash some apples under the orchard canopy and wait for dinner to come
get desert.

Newb

[John]

Potentialy also a UV LED light after dark. UV makes 'bodily fluids' fluoresce.

You'd have to judge the size/shape/color to determine if it's blood from the animal you're tracking.

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[Frank]

You have a nice set up. I no longer have access to private land and
have to hunt the available public land.

I'm a meat hunter myself and will take what is available.

I don't find bow killed deer any gamier than shot deer.
Gaminess is more the follow up treatment of the deer with field dressing
asap to bleed out and remove body heat and being careful not to taint
the meat with stomach contents. Deer fat tastes lousy and is high
melting sticking to the roof of your mouth and best to remove all from
meat.

I enjoy the challenge of bow hunting because you need to be very close
to be effective and finding the hit deer takes more skill.

[ne...@nowhere.org]

On Mon, 20 May 2013 19:39:47 -0400, Frank

<frankdo...@comcast.net> wrote:

>On 5/20/2013 3:35 PM, ne...@nowhere.org wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 May 2013 08:14:56 -0400, Frank

:snip:

>> Me, I'm a bait and wait guy. I can pack out a Blacktail myself, but
>> not any farther than I have to. I've got a blind behind a big old
>> Maple tree that's about 60' from an old apple orchard. I just cut and
>> smash some apples under the orchard canopy and wait for dinner to come
>> get desert.
>>
>> Newb
>>
>
>You have a nice set up. I no longer have access to private land and
>have to hunt the available public land.
>
>I'm a meat hunter myself and will take what is available.
>
>I don't find bow killed deer any gamier than shot deer.
>Gaminess is more the follow up treatment of the deer with field dressing
>asap to bleed out and remove body heat and being careful not to taint
>the meat with stomach contents. Deer fat tastes lousy and is high
>melting sticking to the roof of your mouth and best to remove all from
>meat.

We're talking apples and oranges. I doubt you've ever tasted a PNW
Blacktail backstrap from west of the Cascade Mtn's. We don't have
much of a winter so there's never any fat on them. When you make
sausage or burger out of it you have to add lard or it'll burn in the
pan.

And they have good green stuff to eat all year around, no foraging
like your Whitetails do. All of your deer tastes gamey to us and ours
tastes like tenderloin steaks to you guys. That is if you don't spook
it before you pull the trigger. Shoot one on the run here and then it
resembles the flavor of your Whitetails. Adrenaline definately
effects flavor. I can tell with one bite if a deer was spooked or
not. I've had right coast guys eat some of our Blacktail roasts and
swear it's veal not venison <g>.

When I lived in MI most of the deer was butchered up into stew meat
and hamburger. It was used for chili and other stuff that hid the
gamey flavor. Not here, very little goes to burger, most are cuts of
steaks and roasts. I do what this guy does and eat some backstrap
that night: http://themeateater.com/videos/blacktail-backstrap/

>I enjoy the challenge of bow hunting because you need to be very close
>to be effective and finding the hit deer takes more skill.

It's good to be able to do the things we enjoy. Hunting isn't one of
them for me, it's more of a job that I have to do. There's only two
aspects I like, looking at a full freezer and savoring a slice of
backstrap with some fresh sauteed matsutake mushrooms and onions in
butter.

I too have to get close, but that's because there's not many wide open
areas due to the uber thick underbrush. You're lucky to get a 100'
shot off, usually much less than that is all you get. Baiting them
makes that a non-problem.

My hat's off to you bow hunters, I don't really consider what I do as
even hunting.

Newb

[Debbie]

It depends on where you live in Michigan what the deer tastes like. The
first venison I ever ate came from further up north and it tasted nasty.
They ate cedar and who knows what else. Around here they eat corn, hay,
soybeans and whatever other crops are available. They taste really good.

[Frank]

Good point. I've heard same thing around here with Snow geese. Those
taken from the marsh taste bad but those eating in the corn fields taste
good.

[Gunner Asch]

Correct. Northern Michigan deer, north of Saginaw..can be considered
sausage meet unless you put it in the crockpot. All 10 million of
them.

[book...@yahoo.com]

I'm against baiting or feeding wild animals at all. I hear that the
best part of the deer is the liver. Not sure about the practice of
hanging your deer for some time before butchering, maybe as long as a
week. bookburn

[Frank]

Allowance of baiting is pretty wide spread. It is allowed here in
Delaware but on private land only. Three miles from me, in Pennsylvania
it is not allowed and even acorn smelling scent would be considered baiting.

Deer liver except maybe some old rutting buck is good but you need an
extra bag to carry it out and it takes work to de-membrane it. I leave
it for the critters. Same with the heart. If I took it I add it to the
hamburger. Whitetail deer fat is bad and best to cut off as much as
possible, even for hamburger.

I don't generally hang deer and butcher as soon as possible. Getting
older it is more of a chore and I let a butcher do it. It may hang in
his cold box for a couple of days.

Back straps and tenderloin are my favorite parts.

[bates2012]

Ive seen them around on the net for a long time. Went and read some
reviews on amazon.com on the ones currently commonly available. The
general consensus is, they arent worth a shit. Id just have to try one
to be sure. Interesting concept. Maybe theres some other special uses
as well?
NB

[pyotr filipivich]

ne...@nowhere.org on Sun, 19 May 2013 19:16:22 -0700 typed in
alt.survival the following:

>On Sun, 19 May 2013 14:43:04 -0400, Frank
><frankdo...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>On 5/19/2013 10:36 AM, CanopyCo wrote:
>>> On May 19, 7:46 am, "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**NOJUN...@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Thanks, Frank. I've got a new category of light, for my list.
>>>>
>>>> Blood tracking light. Hmm. How's that done, all? Red light to make the blood shine?
>>>>

>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_2pVXuQTdc
>>>
>>Nice clip.
>>My light with only 3 LED's looks much brighter than his.
>>The real life blood trail he showed would have been easy to track with
>>any light. I've had well hit deer that did not travel far but
>>practically left no blood.
>
>Then it wasn't a "well hit deer", IMHO.

"Well hit" is what was intended. Reality is another matter ...

I basically am not a hunter because no matter how I intend to "hit
well" - I'm not that good a shot. It isn't fair to a deer to be shot
at by me. At best, psychological trauma ("Someone was shooting - at
me!") at worse, a non-lethal injury.

As for following a deer when there not being much of a blood trail
- I believe that is what the old timers called "tracking".


tschus
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you find out it's a Government Project to build more tunnel.

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On Tue, 21 May 2013 19:16:51 -0400, Frank

Old-timey way to hunt by tracking and moving stealthily around is
suspect now, since too numerous hunters on opening day might bag one
another. Way I would squirrel hunt, once upon a time, was to sit
still. Eventually, the squirrels would come out and get pretty close.
Try to walk around after squirrels, they disappear.

Possibly you can also 1) hunt Texas style, using an open Bronko or
Jeep until you jump some, 2) using teamwork to drive deer toward a
hunter. Once I went with a bow hunter one dark morning, who had me
drive slowly while he stood on the front bumper, hoping to catch them
in the headlights.

I'm waiting for a good story about someone hunting from a blind, and
the dangerous animal comes and nails him. Animal could get extra
points for climbing up, regular points for walking into a blind on the
ground from behind. Was a tale like that of hunting tigers in India,
when the hunter up in a tree on a "howdah" turned and found he was
looking into the eyes of a stealthy tiger up as high as he was.

[Frank]

Deer hit high in the lungs will have lungs collapse with extensive
bleeding into the body cavity but little external bleeding. I've seen
it several times.

A surface hit where all the blood is external can result in a good blood
trail which will eventually stop and the deer will survive.

I once arrowed a buck and must have hit the top of the front leg bone as
arrow stopped and fell to the ground as if shot into a brick wall.
He walked away and left an easy to follow blood trail but I did not
bother knowing the arrow had not even penetrated a half inch.

Such are the joys of bow hunting.

[ne...@nowhere.org]

On Tue, 21 May 2013 14:38:53 -0400, Debbie <d...@nospam.net> wrote:

>On 5/21/2013 2:37 PM, ne...@nowhere.org wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 May 2013 19:39:47 -0400, Frank

:snip:

>> When I lived in MI most of the deer was butchered up into stew meat
>> and hamburger. It was used for chili and other stuff that hid the
>> gamey flavor. Not here, very little goes to burger, most are cuts of
>> steaks and roasts. I do what this guy does and eat some backstrap
>> that night: http://themeateater.com/videos/blacktail-backstrap/

>It depends on where you live in Michigan what the deer tastes like. The
>first venison I ever ate came from further up north and it tasted nasty.
>They ate cedar and who knows what else. Around here they eat corn, hay,
>soybeans and whatever other crops are available. They taste really good.

Now that I think about it, our deer hunting cabin was up near the Long
Lake/Traverse City area. Hunting and getting your first deer was more
about a young man's rite of passage than bringing home food, at least
if you were the young man. And it made for a pretty good chili if you
added enough hot sauce to burn your taste buds and make your eyes
bleed. Plus if it's your 1st deer, it'll be the best chili ever made
no matter how crappy it tastes <g>.

Newb

[ne...@nowhere.org]

On Tue, 21 May 2013 19:16:51 -0400, Frank

So? I'm not. Been doing that sucessfully for over 45 years and will
continue to do so. Taught seven kids and two grandkids (so far) how
to do it too. Not to mention a passel of nieces and nephews.

What does a fisherman put on his hook? Bait. What does a crabber put
in the crab pots? Bait. What do duck hunters use? Decoys and duck
calls. What do beaver trappers use to entice them into the trap?
Matter of fact I routinely bait mice which I then use to bait the crab
pots which yield a nice dungeness crab supper. Should I go on?

Traipsing through the woods to make feeding youself a sporting event
is stupid. The deer is going to be dead no matter if you stealthfully
took its life after walking for miles tracking it or it eats some
apples within your crosshairs as you sit in a lawn chair 60' away.
I'll even say it's more humane to have the last thing the critter is
doing is munching on one of its favorite foods rather than running
scared all over creation wounded.

>>I hear that the
>> best part of the deer is the liver. Not sure about the practice of
>> hanging your deer for some time before butchering, maybe as long as a
>> week. bookburn
>>
>
>Allowance of baiting is pretty wide spread. It is allowed here in
>Delaware but on private land only. Three miles from me, in Pennsylvania
>it is not allowed and even acorn smelling scent would be considered baiting.

That allowance aspect doesn't effect us, this is my property.

>Deer liver except maybe some old rutting buck is good but you need an
>extra bag to carry it out and it takes work to de-membrane it. I leave
>it for the critters. Same with the heart. If I took it I add it to the
>hamburger. Whitetail deer fat is bad and best to cut off as much as
>possible, even for hamburger.
>
>I don't generally hang deer and butcher as soon as possible. Getting
>older it is more of a chore and I let a butcher do it. It may hang in
>his cold box for a couple of days.

We hang our deer and Elk for at least a week before we sharpen the
butcher knives.

>Back straps and tenderloin are my favorite parts.

Mine too, Elk tongue comes in a close 2nd though.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/m5gjdsp
http://preview.tinyurl.com/mqcm85y

It's a lot better than beef tongue. And while you're in there, don't
forget the ivory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07CoMuCjG1s

Newb

[Debbie]

I bet! I have had the pleasure of seeing a young man get his first deer.
His smile was huge. My husband passed on the buck so the high school
student who was working for us could have a chance at it.
I also watched a friend's nephew shoot his first goose at our other
farm. He got on the phone and told his Mom to get ready because he was
bringing supper home.

[book...@yahoo.com]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 09:39:25 -0700, ne...@nowhere.org wrote:

>On Tue, 21 May 2013 19:16:51 -0400, Frank
><frankdo...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>On 5/21/2013 6:15 PM, book...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 11:37:16 -0700, ne...@nowhere.org wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 20 May 2013 19:39:47 -0400, Frank
>>>> <frankdo...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/20/2013 3:35 PM, ne...@nowhere.org wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 20 May 2013 08:14:56 -0400, Frank
>>>>
>>>> :snip:
>>>>
>>>>>> Me, I'm a bait and wait guy. I can pack out a Blacktail myself, but
>>>>>> not any farther than I have to. I've got a blind behind a big old
>>>>>> Maple tree that's about 60' from an old apple orchard. I just cut and
>>>>>> smash some apples under the orchard canopy and wait for dinner to come
>>>>>> get desert.

You would relish the TV serial about the Whale Wars, where two crews
of dedicated "save the whale" activists try to prevent the Japanese
whaling industry from capturing and slaughtering whales around the
Ant-arctic. They are upset by pictures of whales being taken and try
everything to prevent it, including direct physical attacks. I guess
they don't approve of the Japanese taking whales for "research".

Recently, they were arrested and boat confiscated pending payment of
damages to nets of a blue tuna fishing fleet. Somehow they keep
fighting on.

Last segment I saw was about trying to prevent the people of Falkland
Islands from rounding up and slaughtering herds of pilot whales.
Islanders are really upset with them for interfering by using high
tech sounds from devices directing the pilot whales away. You would
probably approve the islanders' arguments that it's okay to hook and
cut out the aortas from pilot whales, since people have always killed
and eaten chickens, etc..

My guess is that such slaughtering of a species can be justified in
terms of survival. Also accept the "traditional and customary"
hunting of whales by Native peoples. Don't really admire the
warehouse slaughtering of animals in the pig, chicken, turkey
industry, etc.. Too many exposes of slaughter houses and processed
meats.

I like the Jewish concept of clean meat and kosher ethics about food,
generally, which also seem based on survival experience. It parallels
the beliefs that Natives have about spirits in animals, too.

Intriguing use of a cattle killing gun in the movie "This is no age
for old men," where Tommy Lee Jones tries to track down a psycho using
the cattle gun on people. Is there a moral to the story about this? I
don't know if you could say it's "chickens coming home to roost."

[book...@yahoo.com]

The survival and sports hunting aspects seem to come together over the
"rite of passage" and "bringing home the bacon" institutions. Makes a
man feel good to put meat on the family table with everyone
participating. Could be like a special occasion for the seasonal
hunter. Big question among us senior citizens: "Are you going
hunting this year?"

[ne...@nowhere.org]

Your hubby is a good man. Smart too. Someday that kid will be the
old guy who lets some other kid get his first deer. You remember that
stuff.

>I also watched a friend's nephew shoot his first goose at our other
>farm. He got on the phone and told his Mom to get ready because he was
>bringing supper home.

That's what I did too. Makes a kid feel a little taller and moms
realize that he really ain't a little kid anymore.

Newb