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Ben W (Beaker)
Jarett Kobek wrote:
> I don't get it; how are these poems Surrealist?
>
> Or even surreal?
They just seem a little random to me....
Ben. xxx
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Alex & Synnove Hoover
Jarett Kobek wrote in message <6md8h5$d8n$1...@news.nyu.edu>...
>
>I don't get it; how are these poems Surrealist?
>
>Or even surreal?
Well, then, to ask a question in the true Surrealist vien:
Define surreal.
L8r,
alX
p.s. Smells like thread burning...
Jon Dunn
It won't be long, yeah
YEAH
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scot...@earthlink.net
On 19 Jun 1998 08:46:29 GMT, jwk...@is8.nyu.edu (Jarett Kobek) wrote:
>"What is the word?" -+- "KOBEK"
.....
conversation in the head:
"the copper's back"
"oh well"
"but it got the tiger eye.
and it gonna slip it into
your left pocket"
"it's plastic and hollow.
drop it and it goes:
tinkle tinkle."
----
question:
You actually going to contribute something this time?
Andreas Schou
Jarett Kobek <jwk...@is8.nyu.edu> wrote in article
<6meoag$k62$1...@news.nyu.edu>...
> Alex & Synnove Hoover (sa...@monmouth.com) wrote:
>
> > Well, then, to ask a question in the true Surrealist vien:
> >
> > Define surreal.
>
> I think ultimately, all the various SURREAL words : "surreal, surrealism,
> surrealist", have two definitions. It depends on your frame of reference.
>
> If all you know about the Surrealist Movement is Salvador Dali, like the
> rest of America, than surrealism is STUPID AND TRIPPY. To be surreal is
> "STUPID AND TRIPP". To act like a monkey covered in ants
You reduce, in a sentence, the entire paranoiac-critical method -- as well
as the other artistic procedures that Dali pioneered -- to 'stupid and
trippy'. I wouldn't do that so quickly.
Also: For one who argues for Breton, you certainly aren't one for the
masses.
One can argue (and I do) that 'stupid and trippy' is in the eye of the
beholder. Breton didn't like what he saw; therefore, he declared that it
was 'not art', rejecting the most fundamental points of Dadaist literature
and proving -- once again -- that he was simply foaming and ranting.
> However, if you are some of the more literate fellows,
Of which, I'm sure, you are a part.
> then Surrealism has
> to do with these wacked out individuals, of whom Dali was one for a time,
> located mainly in France.
By directing them to the French surrealists (who were plagarists, deriving
most of their work from the Dadaist expatriates in Switzerland), you ignore
the entire basis of surrealism -- which did not originate in France, and
with nearly no exception, did not take place in France. What took place in
France was an accident publicized mostly because of Andre Breton's amazing
PR ability. For the most part, Andre Breton was simply clawing at the
coattails of the departing communists, trying to hitch a ride into
leadership.
Salvador Dali was not considered 'stupid and trippy' before Andre Breton,
in as burst of rhetorical bile, cast him out of the surrealist movement.
Dali (IMHO) had had the most original ideas since the Dadaists on how art
was to be accomplish. From that point on, Breton condemned the French
surrealists to excreable slave-work to the communist ideal.
(Until, of course, 'Il n'y a pas un Pipe')
> There is tons of extant literature on the
> subject, and I would direct one to Andre Breton's various manifestos for
> full explanation.
There's where I differ. I would send them to -- perhaps -- Tzara or Marcel
Duchamps. For poetry, I provide William S. Burroughs as perhaps the best
example, even though he was -- very obviously -- not a surrealist.
Andre Breton was a mediocre artist and a lesser political thinker. His
manifestos are the desparate gasps of a dying talent, whoring his and his
fellows' art to a monsterous politic.
> -Jarett
> --
> "What is the word known to all men?" -+- "KOBEK"
>
> jwk...@is8.nyu.edu
> --
>
>
qagi
In article <6meoag$k62$1...@news.nyu.edu>, Jarett Kobek
<jwk...@is8.nyu.edu> adds the following to the body of human wisdom,
>Alex & Synnove Hoover (sa...@monmouth.com) wrote:
>
>> Well, then, to ask a question in the true Surrealist vien:
>>
>> Define surreal.
Extend your right arm 90 degrees, and warm the inside surfaces of the
filaments.
>
>I think ultimately, all the various SURREAL words : "surreal, surrealism,
>surrealist", have two definitions. It depends on your frame of reference.
From a rotating ball in the third, i accelerate through euclidian
cleavage until we are travelling at a relative rapidity, 90% of the
speed of omni-consumed light.
>
>If all you know about the Surrealist Movement is Salvador Dali, like the
>rest of America, than surrealism is STUPID AND TRIPPY.
Salvador Dali, in fact, IS the rest of America, but only if you forget
to take those angst cubes, hidden in the freezer. There is much to be
said for STUPID and TRIPPY.
>I would direct one to Andre Breton's various manifestos for
>full explanation.
And i would say: "Twinkle."
"Twinkle."
"Twinkle."
"?"
--
qagi
a human being on a small blue planet
qagi
In article <6mk6co$t28$1...@news.nyu.edu>, Jarett Kobek
>> Salvador Dali, in fact, IS the rest of America, but only if you forget
>> to take those angst cubes, hidden in the freezer. There is much to be
>> said for STUPID and TRIPPY.
>
>
>Wow!
>
>What a guy I was back when I made no sense and was basically a sophmoric
>attempt at anything interesting.
>
Cool red tubes. Do you have any pepper and salt, or is the sarcasm spice
unavailable for consumption? Because i saw seven white dots, and so did
the chess grandmaster who chose to rewire the gels in the beer.
>Do you understand?
>
110000101010110101001010011101010001.
>You are an even bigger failure and an even bigger joke than I was when I
>was you!
>
>Know why?
>
It was sophisticated, but all eaGles get ill sometimes.
>Because you're telling the joke a SECOND TIME!
>
0,2,
>-Jarett
>
>and still, she's the only one that laughs
I used to watch the rot-people as they carved their wooden masks and
honoured their sick gods. now i under read those dreams killed rhesus
through twelve rite yin-yang frog oilslick tunnel frozen experiments.
"Lord what fools these mortals be..."
--
Dr G Reindeer
Foundation For Magical Gnome Research
xister
Only the cheese is as it was...
scot...@earthlink.net
On 20 Jun 1998 05:41:19 GMT, jwk...@is8.nyu.edu (Jarett Kobek) wrote:
>scot...@earthlink.net wrote:
>> question:
>>
>> You actually going to contribute something this time?
>
>Sparkling personality. Scintillant charm. Flaming devices of dismay.
>
That's easy. Why bother?
It doesn't really push things much.
---
I once watched a game called: Serb or Croat. I was told it was about
bad priests, buckets full of eyes, and a warrior's right to wander to
the sea. At least it was interesting. They knew how to make something
of nothing. And, a lot of times... what they said ... it really did happen. I
was amazed at how easy the game was. I think it has something to do
with a virus that is natural to human blood.
Dadanoise
the ultimate surrealist act is firing a pistol into a room crowded with
contributors to the alt.surrealism newsgroop.
-- John Chancellor
Me
Jarett Kobek wrote:
> You are an even bigger failure and an even bigger joke than I was when I
> was you!
>
I don't think you stopped being you. That is, I mean, you are still that
other person. In other words, you haven't changed much.
> Know why?
>
> Because you're telling the joke a SECOND TIME!
>
If I said that nothing was original, and everything has been done, would I
be ripping off a futurist? Or just you?
-Benjamin
robin.h...@gmtnet.co.uk
In article <6mvjol$vsq$1...@news.nyu.edu>,
jwk...@is8.nyu.edu (Jarett Kobek) wrote:
>
> Me (pm...@pacbell.net) wrote:
> > I don't think you stopped being you. That is, I mean, you are still that
> > other person. In other words, you haven't changed much.
>
> multitudes deal.
Jarett, your bad taste is showing. I thought everyone agreed (or is it just
the stupid multitudes?) that the Blessed Emily was the only good nineteenth
century American poet, and Walt the Boy was just a little, shall we say?
+expansive+. Ie. he was a boring old fart who rambled on forever.
Bring back Imagism --- all is forgiven.
Robin
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Andreas Schou wrote:
> Andre Breton was a mediocre artist and a lesser political thinker. His
> manifestos are the desparate gasps of a dying talent, whoring his and his
> fellows' art to a monsterous politic.
"Seek in the impersonal for the eternal man, and having sought him out,
look inward: Thou art Buddha!"
The Voice of the Silence
D. Saasen
And once again the mediator graces the prescence of these hallowed
halls...
the instructor beguiles the beguiled ....
perplexity at its finest.
(cryptic message nine for those of you on the list)
"if word gets out of these, we'll be RIch! "
-slim richardson
Me
Jarett Kobek wrote:
> Me (pm...@pacbell.net) wrote:
> > If I said that nothing was original, and everything has been done, would I
> > be ripping off a futurist? Or just you?
>
> Neither.
>
> You'd just be stupid.
Wow, amazing. Now I just need to add trippy, and I'll really be able to piss
you off. Let's see.... I think I'll go watch Eraserhead again to get inspired.
Goodbye.
-Benjamin
"It was a boring conversation anyway" -Han Solo
Me
Jarett Kobek wrote:
> Blaaaaah... I find any poem that can be sung to The Yellow Rose of Texas a
> trifle irritating, and that's about 90% of ol' Emily's work, you know!
> Same meter and all that!
It can only be sung that way if you sing it that way. Someone made that up. So
she uses a similar meter throughout her poetry. Big deal. If she was thinking of
Yellow Rose of texas, so be it. If she wasn't, then you are a bigger fool than I
previously thought.
-Benjamin