Postcard Exchange -- update
Nikolaus Maack
Maack) wrote:
>I'm looking for artists -- professional, amateur, I don't care -- who
>would be interested in exchanging homemade postcards with me. It
>doesn't matter where on earth you live. It's the art that's the
>thing.
I posted the above message in various forms to three different
newsgroups: alt.surrealism, talk.bizarre, and rec.arts.fine. Six
people, including myself, are taking part in this activity. We're
each sending out five postcards, and we should each receive five
postcards.
This morning I just finished working on my second postcard. It took
me three hours. I have to mail it to Australia.
I wonder how much effort the others will put into this. Will I
receive ANY postcards? Will they be any good? I'm not sure that I
care. I just like having an opportunity to send out some of my stuff.
I'm debating adding a feature to my web page... Send me a photograph
of someone along with $20 (or so) and I will mail you a postcard with
their likeness painted on it. $20 seems reasonable, what with the
three hours it takes me to do a card.
Thoughts, comments, sniping?
Nik
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The Nik Maack Art Gallery
http://www.chat.carleton.ca/~mrtribe
Outsider art for outsiders.
Nikolaus Maack
wrote:
>I would work on the art side of things if I was you...your work seems to
>echo that of Matisse, Egon Schiele and pretty much the whole post
>impressionist and fauvidst moveemtn, with some of the German expressionist
>influence thrown in.......
What's odd is that's where I'm starting from, on my own. I've noticed
my work is "impressionist" from reading art books after I started my
work. I never consciously set out to copy anyone. It just kind of
happened.
>but you
>certainly lack creative imagination and individual style.
I lack individual style? How so? I've done dozens and dozens of
faces, and I see quite a distinct style in my work.
>Stop doing faces
>for gods sake, and try something more challeging........or do you just want
>to spend the next ten years of your life, echoing and regurgitating the
>past.
I'm obsessed with faces as a subject matter. It's not that I'm
unwilling to move on to something else -- this particular form is
stuck inside my head. To me it is... heroin. I walk down the
street, I look at faces. Ordinary, mundane, boring faces grab me, by
the balls, and make me stare. I can't stop.
If this means I'm doomed to be a craftsman -- a portrait painter -- I
have no problem with that.
I feel like it's some kind of personal quest. Mystic journey. I'm
going somewhere on my own. You say what I'm doing is old hat -- it's
been done. I have no problem with that at all.
I suppose the idea of a "portrait" is terribly old fashioned. So
what?
I picked up a book of photographs by August Sander. I've ranted about
him before. I will rant about him again. All Sander did was take
pictures of people. Hundreds and hundred of photographs of people.
Ordinary people. I am in awe of this. The details of faces. Each
one different. Face after face after face. I've taken his book out
of the library eight or nine times now, renewing it over and over
until they insist I bring it back. The faces blow me away.
Karsh, another portrait photographer. Amazing to me. Fabulous. A
little more pretentious -- all the work of his that I've seen tends to
be of famous people. Still, very nice.
My girlfriend and I accosted strangers on the street and took
photographs of them. I adore the photographs. If I ever get enough
money together, I'm going to buy a digital camera, and I will become
one of those annoying people who takes their camera everywhere. I
will constantly be approaching people on the street and saying:
"Hello, I'm a portrait painter and I really like your face. May I
please take a photograph of you?"
That's a dream for me -- just to put my stance into perspective for
you. Faces are more than just a subject matter to me. They're VITAL.
I suppose you would call portrait photographers mere "craftsmen".
They can be. The guy who does wedding pictures, the guy who snaps
passport photos... But Sander and Karsh make portraits feel alive.
They raise it to an art form.
I'm chasing something here. I don't even know what it is, but I feel
that to look away from faces, to something else, would be a mistake.
Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know.
> I say this brutally, but I am sure you can appreciate the honesty in
>this, if not, then you are way beyond growth and input and challenge.....all
>that are part of being an artist.
Unfortunately, while I am interested in your comments -- and the
comments of anyone, for that matter -- I don't particularly like you,
as a person. To be as brutally honest as you, you come across as
someone looking to pick a fight.
I've read posts of yours where I can feel your fingers manhandling
every word I've written, looking for some weakness you can attack.
Watching you do it is depressing. I wonder why you behave that way.
I instinctively dislike and distrust you. You come across as someone
weak pretending to be strong. Only, you don't project "strong", you
project "bitchy".
So, needless to say, I'm wondering if your "helpful criticism" is just
more of the same, on your part. Still, I know that honest critcism is
such a rarity, I'll listen all the same.
>On a positive note, like i said you do have craft skills. You have a good
>sense of colour, (probably the strongest feature in your work). However,
>this alone does not maketh art...push yourself Nik and start doing something
>different. You work looks like that made by a seventeen year old male just
>starting to draw. There is possible promise there, but it is very cliche
>and old hat.
Your criticism is unclear. I show promise, I'm a good craftsman, but
I draw like a seventeen year old?
What do you actually think is lacking? Some of your comments in this
newsgroup, and in rec.arts.fine, make you sound like the sort of
person who wants to be so cutting edge, she'll stack dead dogs on the
floor, spray them with gold spraypaint, and then nod wisely to
herself. That sort of extreme avant garde shit seems ridiculous to
me. Sometimes struggling to be new comes across as just playing with
your own bowel movements.
>Of course, if you want to be seen as a 'craftsperosn' by all
>means ignore everything I have just said.
You're the person who said a fabrige egg isn't art. That makes me
snicker. Someone who says that can't possibly understand how a
portrait can be more than mere craft. So if you really want to reach
me, convince me of your position. I am listening.
Nik
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http://www.chat.carleton.ca/~mrtribe
Now with exciting TEXT explaining why
each painting should not be burned.
Kristina
Nikolaus Maack <ac...@freenet.carleton.ca> wrote in message
news:37f9d090....@news.ncf.carleton.ca...
I would work on the art side of things if I was you...your work seems to
echo that of Matisse, Egon Schiele and pretty much the whole post
impressionist and fauvidst moveemtn, with some of the German expressionist
influence thrown in.......you wouldn't want people saying your work looks
like Dali would you? I thought that was an interesting post you put in
fine.arts....ironic seeing as you may have the craft abilities, but you
certainly lack creative imagination and individual style. Stop doing faces
for gods sake, and try something more challeging........or do you just want
to spend the next ten years of your life, echoing and regurgitating the
past. I say this brutally, but I am sure you can appreciate the honesty in
this, if not, then you are way beyond growth and input and challenge.....all
that are part of being an artist.
On a positive note, like i said you do have craft skills. You have a good
sense of colour, (probably the strongest feature in your work). However,
this alone does not maketh art...push yourself Nik and start doing something
different. You work looks like that made by a seventeen year old male just
starting to draw. There is possible promise there, but it is very cliche
and old hat. Of course, if you want to be seen as a 'craftsperosn' by all
means ignore everything I have just said.
Kristina.
Hope this helps you out.
>
> Nik
> ---
> The Nik Maack Art Gallery
> http://www.chat.carleton.ca/~mrtribe
> Outsider art for outsiders.
Kristina
Kristina <bu...@start.com.au> wrote in message
news:7tjeao$hde$1...@the-fly.zip.com.au...
Kristina
> On Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:50:49 +1000, "Kristina" <bu...@start.com.au>
> wrote:
>
> >I would work on the art side of things if I was you...your work seems to
> >echo that of Matisse, Egon Schiele and pretty much the whole post
> >impressionist and fauvidst moveemtn, with some of the German
expressionist
> >influence thrown in.......
>
> What's odd is that's where I'm starting from, on my own. I've noticed
> my work is "impressionist" from reading art books after I started my
> work. I never consciously set out to copy anyone. It just kind of
> happened.
>
> >but you
> >certainly lack creative imagination and individual style.
>
> I lack individual style? How so? I've done dozens and dozens of
> faces, and I see quite a distinct style in my work.
Nik, firstly I have to say your response was 'sensational'. I'm being
serious here, not picking on you or being sarcastic, I loved it. (such
passion) I actually laughed where you said you don't like me...sorry, it was
kind of cute to me. Anyway more of that later...I will address what you have
talked about here. so lets start...
When I say you lack individual style, it means just that. There are
obviously small parts of you that come through in the work, that is normal
it happens to everyone that creates in one form or another. But your work
doesn't hold anything particularly fresh or enticing for me...I know you can
do alot better......(if you allow your mind to go for it, afterall it is
your mind that determines whether or not you will outgrow the current way of
painting, writing, sculpture, photography, whatever medium. It is about
expansion of ideas, and I feel your work could be pushed alot further...so
that the individual that you already are will come through, then it will be
evident. I hope that made sense to you. Fairly obvious I think.
>
> >Stop doing faces
> >for gods sake, and try something more challeging........or do you just
want
> >to spend the next ten years of your life, echoing and regurgitating the
> >past.
>
> I'm obsessed with faces as a subject matter. It's not that I'm
> unwilling to move on to something else -- this particular form is
> stuck inside my head. To me it is... heroin. I walk down the
> street, I look at faces. Ordinary, mundane, boring faces grab me, by
> the balls, and make me stare. I can't stop.
Okay, the faces is beyond the point. The reason I illustrated that is that
perhaps were you to try a different subject matter, you may find that you
cross another journey with your work, a fresh idea, a new discovery about
yourself. It is not that there is anything wrong with you doing faces as
such, but your work is just one repetition after another, carried out in the
same fashion and resulting in the same outcome....somewhat contrived and
lacking lustre and freshness.
If faces really are such a passion for you, try another medium, you like
photography, play around with that, do collage, whatever, screen prinitng,
paint faces too, but try a different approach. Leave what you are doing now
and go onto fresh waters Nik....do you understand what I'm saying? I'm
saying, "open your mind and perspective" you owe it to yourself, no one
else. So my sauggestions would be just approach your work differently.
Nik, art is not about the end fucking product, (and all yours are the same,
it's like a perfect formula you have down that carries nothing) it is the
"process" of that product that is exciting.....if you can't feel that, there
is nothing I can say. I'm saying "have some fun" take some risks with your
work, explore the possibilities......
>
> If this means I'm doomed to be a craftsman -- a portrait painter -- I
> have no problem with that.
>
> I feel like it's some kind of personal quest. Mystic journey. I'm
> going somewhere on my own. You say what I'm doing is old hat -- it's
> been done. I have no problem with that at all.
>
> I suppose the idea of a "portrait" is terribly old fashioned. So
> what?
This has nothing to do with that. I don't care if you paint faces...I used
it as a starting point to illustrate what your work is lacking. I'm being
serious here and constructive I feel, not picking on you...okay?
>
> I picked up a book of photographs by August Sander. I've ranted about
> him before. I will rant about him again. All Sander did was take
> pictures of people. Hundreds and hundred of photographs of people.
> Ordinary people. I am in awe of this. The details of faces. Each
> one different. Face after face after face. I've taken his book out
> of the library eight or nine times now, renewing it over and over
> until they insist I bring it back. The faces blow me away.
Well maybe experiement with photography more. Taking a photo is the first
step, there are infintie possibilities to the outcome of that ONE
photograph.
> Karsh, another portrait photographer. Amazing to me. Fabulous. A
> little more pretentious -- all the work of his that I've seen tends to
> be of famous people. Still, very nice.
>
> My girlfriend and I accosted strangers on the street and took
> photographs of them. I adore the photographs. If I ever get enough
> money together, I'm going to buy a digital camera, and I will become
> one of those annoying people who takes their camera everywhere. I
> will constantly be approaching people on the street and saying:
>
> "Hello, I'm a portrait painter and I really like your face. May I
> please take a photograph of you?"
>
> That's a dream for me -- just to put my stance into perspective for
> you. Faces are more than just a subject matter to me. They're VITAL.
Fine, just get another perspective, or are you happy just repeating
yourself?
>
> I suppose you would call portrait photographers mere "craftsmen".
> They can be. The guy who does wedding pictures, the guy who snaps
> passport photos... But Sander and Karsh make portraits feel alive.
> They raise it to an art form.
No I don't call photographers 'craftsmen'. Photography is another
medium..okay? How a person utilises that makes the difference between a
craftsperson and an artist. Photographers I love, Man Ray, Mapplethorpe,
Ansell Adams, Diane Arbus, Bill Henson.....but to name a few. Yes, exactly
as you said...."raise it to an artform" so why not raise your paintings to
an artform of some creative merit as opposed ot keeping it repressed.
Explore...
> I'm chasing something here. I don't even know what it is, but I feel
> that to look away from faces, to something else, would be a mistake.
> Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know.
Well that is great, passion is good, and a great starting point. You don't
need to know where you are going with it, just that you are willing ot be
open to it.
>
> > I say this brutally, but I am sure you can appreciate the honesty in
> >this, if not, then you are way beyond growth and input and
challenge.....all
> >that are part of being an artist.
>
> Unfortunately, while I am interested in your comments -- and the
> comments of anyone, for that matter -- I don't particularly like you,
> as a person. To be as brutally honest as you, you come across as
> someone looking to pick a fight.
This is where I laughed. Look Nik, I really don't have an emotional
connection to you okay, I neither dislike or like you, I do enjoy reading
the posts on the newsgroup, and the only reason I bothered writing to you is
because I can see that you want to make a go of this art thing, and it is
obviously something of importance to you. I'm not looking for a fight,
please believe that, yeah I can come across as a bitch, but I don't write
anything just to amuse myself at their expense. i also bear no grudges, I
really don't take this personally, I see it as an exchange of ideas.
>
> I've read posts of yours where I can feel your fingers manhandling
> every word I've written, looking for some weakness you can attack.
> Watching you do it is depressing. I wonder why you behave that way.
> I instinctively dislike and distrust you. You come across as someone
> weak pretending to be strong. Only, you don't project "strong", you
> project "bitchy".
Sorry you feel that way Nik....and as for looking through what you write,
you are wrong there too....I really don't put that much energy into you,
just happens that we read and contribute to a few of the same groups. Hell,
you have said some really dumb things.....and I have ignored them, why?
Because they are not the issue, I'm talking about your artwork. This is not
personal. Get that into your head.
>
> So, needless to say, I'm wondering if your "helpful criticism" is just
> more of the same, on your part. Still, I know that honest critcism is
> such a rarity, I'll listen all the same.
>
> >On a positive note, like i said you do have craft skills. You have a
good
> >sense of colour, (probably the strongest feature in your work). However,
> >this alone does not maketh art...push yourself Nik and start doing
something
> >different. You work looks like that made by a seventeen year old male
just
> >starting to draw. There is possible promise there, but it is very cliche
> >and old hat.
>
> Your criticism is unclear. I show promise, I'm a good craftsman, but
> I draw like a seventeen year old?
Yes, you have a good sense of colour, but you lack the mind space to go
further with it. Stubborn and unwilling to take criticism and listen to
other voices aside from your own...and if your voice was a strong and
imaginative one, you could perhaps get away with more, but you lack the risk
and exploration of it all. Yes, at the moment you do draw/paint like a
seventeen year old...underdeveloped.
>
> What do you actually think is lacking? Some of your comments in this
> newsgroup, and in rec.arts.fine, make you sound like the sort of
> person who wants to be so cutting edge, she'll stack dead dogs on the
> floor, spray them with gold spraypaint, and then nod wisely to
> herself. That sort of extreme avant garde shit seems ridiculous to
> me. Sometimes struggling to be new comes across as just playing with
> your own bowel movements.
No darling I'm not into spray painting dogs on floors..what I am into you
would not understand it is too "pretentious" for you, and you lack an open
mind at this point. I do for the record paint, do photography, installation
work with sound, and images....(no dead people or animals, sorry to
dissapoint)...Your last comment about bowel movements says more about you
than anyone else unfortunately.
>
> >Of course, if you want to be seen as a 'craftsperosn' by all
> >means ignore everything I have just said.
>
> You're the person who said a fabrige egg isn't art. That makes me
> snicker. Someone who says that can't possibly understand how a
> portrait can be more than mere craft. So if you really want to reach
> me, convince me of your position. I am listening.
I never said a portrait could not be more than art. I do alot of work with
people, two dimensional and otherwise. I did a whole series of photographs
on people.....portraits if you will. I don't think you understand anything
here.
Bottom line, I don't hate you or have any feelings for you, I think your
work can grow if you allow it, and are open to looking at other
possibilities. I don't subscribe to your 'pretentious' views on art, and if
you are worried about being pretentious with your work, perhaps you have
already surpassed yourself there.
I don't mind that you think me a bitch, I prefer that to boring and
unchallenging anyday. : ) If I thought your work was just plain stupid, I
wouldn't bother. 9It is verging on pointless though) I think your ideas may
be simplisitic, but you can improve that. So call me bitchy......meow...
: )
Kristina.
Nikolaus Maack
wrote:
>But your work
>doesn't hold anything particularly fresh or enticing for me...I know you can
>do alot better......
For most of my entire life, I've been taking my writing far more
seriously than my painting. I went off to university and took a dozen
or so writing seminar classes. I know I can write.
Unfortunately, I don't know WHAT it is that I want to write. What I
excel at is a sort of bitchy journalism. A sort of Saki, Oscar Wilde,
tearing people down in a witty way. If I go to an event, then write a
description of it, I can put you in the middle of the place, and make
you laugh at human foibles.
Also, I can see through other people fairly well. The other thing
that matters to me is human psychology, and why people do what they
do. Which is why, before I went off to do a creative writing degree,
I did a psych degree.
So... You're now looking at someone who can write, who can paint
(sort of), and is obsessed with showing people what they look like,
figuring out what people look like. Be it a painting of a face, or a
description of an event, I lean towards a sort of art journalism. In
the tradition of many journalists, I tend to really dislike people
quite a lot, and want to spend my time describing the really stupid
things they do.
How to make my painting and my writing and this general feeling
intermesh? I don't know. Where to go with it? Not sure.
>If faces really are such a passion for you, try another medium, you like
>photography, play around with that, do collage, whatever, screen prinitng,
>paint faces too, but try a different approach.
I have done collage, with interesting results. There's three pieces
on my web page that are like this. L. Ron Hubbard is entirely done in
collage, "The Secret Foot Fetish of Mr Rogers" is a mix of collage and
paint, as is "Mr Rogers After Having Eaten a Solid Gold Brick". See,
I have played with other mediums, and continue to do so. Markers are
another of my favorites. And oil pastels. And pencil.
Part of the problem here may be that you're judging me based on twelve
paintings on my web site.
>Nik, art is not about the end fucking product, (and all yours are the same,
>it's like a perfect formula you have down that carries nothing) it is the
>"process" of that product that is exciting.....if you can't feel that, there
>is nothing I can say. I'm saying "have some fun" take some risks with your
>work, explore the possibilities......
I agree, it's about the process and not the product, but for some
reason the particular process I am working through right now holds a
lot of excitement for me. It may look formulaic, at the end, to you,
but each time I sit down to do a face, I'm very excited and get lost
in the process. The end product is never really in my head when I
start off.
>Fine, just get another perspective, or are you happy just repeating
>yourself?
To a certain extent, yes, I am, so far.
>This is where I laughed. Look Nik, I really don't have an emotional
>connection to you okay, I neither dislike or like you,
That's not what I meant. I know you don't know me at all, and have no
emotional connection to me. What I'm saying is that you seem to be
walking through life trying to pick a fight with ANYONE. You pour
over my words looking for weakness, but you do that to all the words
you encounter. It's like you're ready to hate everyone you meet,
ready to start swinging at them before they so much as open their
mouths.
>Sorry you feel that way Nik....and as for looking through what you write,
>you are wrong there too....I really don't put that much energy into you,
>just happens that we read and contribute to a few of the same groups.
Not energy into me, Kristina, but into everyone. You work very hard
to keep the world at a distance.
>This is not
>personal. Get that into your head.
That's part of the problem -- nothing on usenet seems to be personal
to you. You pretend to impartially stroll through the newsgroups,
picking fights with people, feigning a sort of detachment.
Criticism, in my mind, should MAKE itself personal. If you want to
tell me about my art, you've got to talk about what is personally
significant to you, what your personal feelings are about my art, what
your own art struggles to do. I've shown you some passion -- where's
yours? All I get is cold, detatched, biblical pronouncements from
you.
You're an artist too, right? So what do you do? What do you work
with? What have you done? I made a joke about dead dogs being
spraypainted, and you got all clogged up.
>No darling I'm not into spray painting dogs on floors..what I am into you
>would not understand it is too "pretentious" for you, and you lack an open
>mind at this point.
I wouldn't "understand" it? How very condescending. Perhaps you
should describe it to me, and then see if I "get it", hmmm? Give me
the benefit of the doubt.
(You know, I think I might actually enjoy a pile of dead spray painted
dogs in an art gallery setting. Seriously.)
If you want criticism to effect someone, you have to open up to them.
Right now you're giving me a sermon from the pulpit. Hard to take
commentary from up there so seriously. Why not get down into the pit
with me, and show me some of your stuff? If you want your words to be
taken seriously, you have to treat me like an equal, not a retarded
kid who lives next door whom you pity.
Which sums up what I mean when I say that you try to look strong, but
it's so obvious you're weak. Why *aren't* you describing your art to
me, unless you're afraid of the response you'll get?
You like it up there on the pulpit. Unfortunately it makes talking to
you a real pain in the ass. It hurts my neck. Plus I dislike
authority figures in general. I dislike them all the more when their
authority is entirely a pose.
>I do for the record paint, do photography, installation
>work with sound, and images....(no dead people or animals, sorry to
>dissapoint)...
Could you be a little more specific?
>Your last comment about bowel movements says more about you
>than anyone else unfortunately.
I like Freud. Making art is definitely playing with our own shit.
The first art work I ever made was when I reached into my diaper as a
child, pulled out a stinky ball of poo, and smeared it on the wall.
Any artist who claims to be doing more than that is lying to
themselves.
We amuse ourselves by studying our brains as we make art. We are
self-centred, and in love with ourselves. Would you disagree?
>I don't mind that you think me a bitch, I prefer that to boring and
>unchallenging anyday. : ) If I thought your work was just plain stupid, I
>wouldn't bother. 9It is verging on pointless though)
You really hate to give compliments, don't you? Every time you say
something positive, you quickly SMASH it down with an insult.
"You show promise. By the way, you draw like a seventeen year old."
"If I thought your work was just plain stupid, I wouldn't bother. (It
is verging on the pointless though)"
Perhaps while you attempt to teach me how to make better art, I can
teach you how to be a better critic?
Brandon J. Freels
> I went off to university and took a dozen or so writing seminar classes.
I know I can
> write.
Taking university classes doesn't mean you can write. I know a lot of
individuals who have taken university classes who can't write worth shit.
> Also, I can see through other people fairly well.
I'm not too sure about this. The ability to see through other people is
fictitious. *You* simply grant your opinion about the individual for an
objective fact. Any connection between your opinion and the objective truth
is merely chance.
> So... You're now looking at someone who can write, who can paint (sort
of), and is
> obsessed with showing people what they look like, figuring out what people
look like.
Let me rephrase this last part: "and is obsessed with showing people what
*he thinks* they look like."
> I lean towards a sort of art journalism.
Are you trying to make me puke?
> L. Ron Hubbard is entirely done in collage . . .
Don't tell me you're a scientologiest?
> Part of the problem here may be that you're judging me based on twelve
paintings on > my web site.
To be honest with you Nik, I don't think your paintings are half bad.
They're kind of fauvist. Much more creative than the *average* individual.
> That's part of the problem -- nothing on usenet seems to be personal to
you. You
> pretend to impartially stroll through the newsgroups, picking fights with
people,
> feigning a sort of detachment.
Well shit! Thanks for telling us Nik. I didn't know she was a troll.
> I wouldn't "understand" it? How very condescending.
She's turned into a elitist.
> Could you be a little more specific?
Yes, please. I would love to see her art.
Nikolaus Maack
>> I went off to university and took a dozen or so writing seminar classes.
>>I know I can write.
Brandon:
>Taking university classes doesn't mean you can write. I know a lot of
>individuals who have taken university classes who can't write worth shit.
Okay, let me put it another way -- despite having gone to university
and taken creative writing courses, I know I can write. And I met the
people who went and can't write, I know they exist. They usually
referred to their work as "prose poems" and considered gibberish to be
the highest form of written thought.
[I think I can see through people fairly well.]
>I'm not too sure about this. The ability to see through other people is
>fictitious. *You* simply grant your opinion about the individual for an
>objective fact. Any connection between your opinion and the objective truth
>is merely chance.
Possibly. On the other hand, this isn't a skill that can be
demonstrated too easilly on the internet. Text isn't a person.
>Let me rephrase this last part: "and is obsessed with showing people what
>*he thinks* they look like."
Sure. I was trying to think of a way to phrase the idea that I like
to study other people and write my personal reaction to them. A sort
of "this is what I see when I look at you, despite whatever it is that
you're trying to make me see." That, I think, is the only thing a
good psychologist can do for you. And yes, my own personal biases and
madness enter into it. No one is objective. When I look at a
toothbrush, I see a phallus designed to clean teeth.
Me:
>> I lean towards a sort of art journalism.
Brandon:
>Are you trying to make me puke?
Yes, but not right now.
>Don't tell me you're a scientologiest?
No, I'm not. Some friends of mine are anti-scienos, and they have
some of the classic Scientology texts lying around. In one of these
texts was a great photo of L. Ron Hubbard. I had to do a portrait of
him -- he looked so bored.
>To be honest with you Nik, I don't think your paintings are half bad.
>They're kind of fauvist. Much more creative than the *average* individual.
Thanks, I think. What is "fauvist"?
[Kristina]
>Well shit! Thanks for telling us Nik. I didn't know she was a troll.
She's the worst kind of troll there is, Brandon: a troll that doesn't
know she's a troll.
[Kristina's art...]
>Yes, please. I would love to see her art.
Me too.
Fascinan
>No one is objective. When I look at a
>toothbrush, I see a phallus designed to clean teeth.
sometimes a toothbrush is just a toothbrush
Brandon J. Freels
did not "choose to focus" on the topic of trolling. It was in Nik's response
which I was responding too.
Kristina wrote
> It is interesting how out of my huge post, you both choose to focus on
this.
> I would say you have both done a far better job at trolling than I have.
At
> least I can say I put some effort into my post, even if not to your
liking.
> This here is just vacant and devoid of anything.
Brandon J. Freels
> Sure. I was trying to think of a way to phrase the idea that I like to
study other people > and write my personal reaction to them.
This is what I thought you meant, but I had to make sure.
> What is "fauvist"?
Fauvism, also known as "The Wild Beasts," was a movement around the turn of
the century that focused on the compete liberation of color. They turned the
grass blue and the sky green. Matisse was a fauvist for a time, but I think
Derain is the best example.
Here's a link with more information:
http://hyperion.advanced.org/17142/dynamic-movements/fauvism.htm
Kristina
was legitimite and constructive criticism and not me just being a heartless
troll (thank you for that by the way)...however, looks like you were looking
at all the little bits that were not quite as important, and getting
incredibly defensive. It just reinforces my initial thoughts of
you...sorry, I would you show you my work gladly and discuss it, but I
generally save my time for people who are open minded and willing to
explore. I gave you heaps of great advice (and I'm not being egotistical
here) and you instead chose to respond in a very defensive way. I'm not
interested in butting heads with you. I said your work could be alot
better, and told you why and how.
Kristina.
Nikolaus Maack <ac...@freenet.carleton.ca> wrote in message
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Kristina
Brandon J. Freels <fre...@teleport.com> wrote in message
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> Nikolaus Maack wrote
> > I went off to university and took a dozen or so writing seminar classes.
> I know I can
> > write.
>
> individuals who have taken university classes who can't write worth shit.
>
>
> fictitious. *You* simply grant your opinion about the individual for an
> objective fact. Any connection between your opinion and the objective
truth
> is merely chance.
>
> of), and is
> > obsessed with showing people what they look like, figuring out what
people
> look like.
>
> *he thinks* they look like."
>
>
>
>
> Don't tell me you're a scientologiest?
>
> paintings on > my web site.
>
> They're kind of fauvist. Much more creative than the *average* individual.
>
> you. You
> > pretend to impartially stroll through the newsgroups, picking fights
with
> people,
> > feigning a sort of detachment.
>
It is interesting how out of my huge post, you both choose to focus on this.
I would say you have both done a far better job at trolling than I have. At
least I can say I put some effort into my post, even if not to your liking.
This here is just vacant and devoid of anything.
Kristina.
>
> > I wouldn't "understand" it? How very condescending.
>
> She's turned into a elitist.
>
> > Could you be a little more specific?
>
Nikolaus Maack
"Kristina" (bu...@start.com.au) writes:
> Well Nik, if you READ over my response to you, you will see that most of it
> was legitimite and constructive criticism and not me just being a heartless
> troll (thank you for that by the way)...however, looks like you were looking
> at all the little bits that were not quite as important, and getting
> incredibly defensive.
Lots of legitimate constructive critcism?
1. Open your mind.
2. Try other stuff.
Kristina, you make me laugh. This is the second time you've made me
laugh. And you're not trying to make me laugh. Which makes me laugh all
the harder.
And all this despite the fact that this is quite sad.
Nik
--
"And I thought, 'Well, how much more bizarre can you get, the Queen of
England sacrificing children?' And, she said, when the blood started to
flow, they shape-shifted into reptiles."
-- David Icke, SuperKook
Kristina
wrong way too.
Kristina.
Brandon J. Freels <fre...@teleport.com> wrote in message
news:I2xL3.11975$k57.5...@news1.teleport.com...
> I'm sorry Kristina but I was responding to Nik's response to your post. I
> did not "choose to focus" on the topic of trolling. It was in Nik's
response
> which I was responding too.
>
> Kristina wrote