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Laura

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Sep 1, 2000, 9:09:19 PM9/1/00
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Thanks to everyone for your replies to my mind meanderings on surrealism.

As I only have a background in art history, which tends to limit my views,
what are the most important differences between Dada and Surrealism?

From what I know of them, surrealism is an exploration of the sub-concious
and the like... and Dada is simply anything or nothing, and a kind of
rebellion of sorts.

Laura
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Nikolaus Maack

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Sep 2, 2000, 1:10:52 AM9/2/00
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"Laura" (or...@gurlmail.com) writes:
> As I only have a background in art history, which tends to limit my views,
> what are the most important differences between Dada and Surrealism?

There's no such thing as a limited view -- only a limited desire to
express a view. I'm sure that, if you sat down, and pounded out a
perspective, it would be just as valuable as anyone else's.

The difference between dada and surrealism, as I see it, is as follows.

Dada said, there ain't nothing in it. The whole world is faking it.
Beneath our masks is swirling clumbs of cow dung. We're all making it up.

Surrealism said, this is so. We are faking it. We are wearing masks.
Only, check it out! There's a pattern in the swirling cow dung beneath
our masks. There is a truth to it! Let's explore that!

> From what I know of them, surrealism is an exploration of the sub-concious
> and the like... and Dada is simply anything or nothing, and a kind of
> rebellion of sorts.

Which seems to be more or less what I say in the above. We agree. Hurray
for us.

Nik

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Laura

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Sep 2, 2000, 8:48:32 PM9/2/00
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"Nikolaus Maack" <ac...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
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> "Laura" (or...@gurlmail.com) writes:
> > As I only have a background in art history, which tends to limit my
views,
> > what are the most important differences between Dada and Surrealism?
>
> There's no such thing as a limited view -- only a limited desire to
> express a view. I'm sure that, if you sat down, and pounded out a
> perspective, it would be just as valuable as anyone else's.
>
> The difference between dada and surrealism, as I see it, is as follows.
>
> Dada said, there ain't nothing in it. The whole world is faking it.
> Beneath our masks is swirling clumbs of cow dung. We're all making it up.
>
> Surrealism said, this is so. We are faking it. We are wearing masks.
> Only, check it out! There's a pattern in the swirling cow dung beneath
> our masks. There is a truth to it! Let's explore that!
>
> > From what I know of them, surrealism is an exploration of the
sub-concious
> > and the like... and Dada is simply anything or nothing, and a kind of
> > rebellion of sorts.
>
> Which seems to be more or less what I say in the above. We agree. Hurray
> for us.
>
> Nik

YAY US.. let's have a drink. Any excuse for the drink I always say.

Laura


Parry

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Sep 3, 2000, 9:27:32 AM9/3/00
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Happy to see you’re posting again. Has “Aeon” been retired?

Dada and surrealism are closely linked but with one crucial difference.
Dada represented a comprehensive negation of bourgeois values (of art,
sexual mores, reason, religion, nationalism, war, lineage, capitalism,
etc.). But after the negation, what? The repetition of increasingly
nonsensical and arbitrary acts? A faction of the group feared Dada was
becoming a dog & pony act, and so surrealism developed as “the negation
of the negation,” determined to be more directed in its confrontation
and more penetrating into significant issues.

-- Parry

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