Is Love Surreal? or what?
CHENNO
companionship or lust?look at impacts and downfalls of love in time...
Robert and Elizabeth Barrett-Browning...19th century
English.historical.Elizabeth bucked her dogmatic family and married a fellow
poet, They spent their life in Italy amid the sunshine and poetry...ahhhhh
Dante Alighieri and Beatrice... 13th CEntury,Italian,historical,The writer met
his muse when they were kids,She inspired his greatest works although never
married.
Kermit and Miss Piggy.. 20th century English.historical, cultural,She hogs all
the limelight,but her love springs eternal for her froggy,His didinterest and
the cross-species problem are no detterents to this determined pig..
Guinevere and Lancelot 14th century,English,literary,Based on the Arthurian
Legend,the doomed love between the gallent knoght and the beautiful queen
caused the downfall of the round table....
on and on...
what is all about about really?
hmmmmmm
Amore
Chenno ôżô
Painting is silent poetry, and poetry painting that speaks. - Simonides
Brandon J. Freels
CHENNO
Love is the problem of problems. It runs my life and it ruins it.
chenno: I would agree with that:) what a powerful thing this love..
Brandon J. Freels
different people that it must be impossible to put our finger on a precise
definition. I think it may be a sort of inner driving force for species
preservation, but I'm no psychologist, or sociologist. Besides, I am
dissatisfied with my own sad attempt at a conclusion for the main reason
that the passion that accompanies love (or is part of it) is not as dry or
as simple as a "driving force." It is much more dynamic.
Now I'm off to my studies:
http://www.bibliomania.com/NonFiction/Vatsyayana/KamaSutra/
http://sexuality.about.com/
http://www.proaxis.com/~nonnie/
http://www.topchoice.com/~psyche/lovetest/
http://www.lovecalculator.com/
Dale Houstman
"Brandon J. Freels" wrote:
>
> Love is the problem of problems. It runs my life and it ruins it.
Love is a corporation of emotions rather than an emotion itself. This
confusion leads to most of the errors and pains associated with it. And
like most corporations, culpability is both hard to assign and difficult
to enforce.
DMH
g.v.w. iv
> Love is the problem of problems. It runs my life and it ruins it.
i hate to interrupt your idyll, Brandy. On such a lofty theme, too. Your
meditation does it justice. In the same sense a dysentary sufferer does
justice to a bedpan. Love runs your life and ruins it? Nice
alliteration, if nothing else. i also feel your lack of education ruined
your life. And runs it too. At least in a sense, because your lack of
education not only limits your opportunities, but it also causes you to
issue ugly banalities like ''[love] runs my life and ruins it'' without
a hint of irony.
Enough. i have business to conduct. So, keep your problems to yourself,
at least for the moment.. (Will you and Dale just get a room, please?)
Is this what passes for discourse in your newsgroup? Please say no.
Please say i just happened by on a bad day. Please say all the
intelligent contributers took the summer off.
Clearly, friends, we need to reform this place. i will begin
immediately. Do we have a FAQ document? If not, i will write one. If so,
i will re-write it. i will also entertain suggestions.
How can we make this a better newsgroup?
--
gilbert vanburen wilkes iv
http://eserver.org/home/wilkes
<a href="http://www.2600.com/mindex.html">Free Kevin</a>
Revolutions are always verbose.
Leon Trotsky
Brandon J. Freels
issues that are not really issues, such as textual blunderings, but fail to
have any answers to the most "trivial" questions in life. So Gilbert, you're
such a re-educated fool, what then is love? How do you explain passion? Do
you have passion for anyone besides yourself? It is rather odd that both
Chen and yourself can critique and cynically analyze everything, but
simultaneously you both fail to have any understanding of what it is to
love, or to feel passion. Not only do I find this hard to believe, but if it
is true, as you seem to be insisting, I find you no more important than a
used snot rag.
Andrea Chen
I find your point important. I note you list a successful set of
romantic loves and isn't mind altering, life altering experience
something that surrealism (or other self declared cultural revolutions)
dream of?
In this group we often hear talk about the "liberation" of "desire" or
the "unconscious." Isn't romantic love such a thing? Can a similar
array of emotions and intensity of purpose be created by other things
such as the practice of art or the act of social transformation?
A simple answer is yes, but it would take quite a lot of work and
feeling and thinking to figure out similarities and differences. It
would also take a lot of work to figure out why such connections
sometimes work and even continue to thrive after decades and why in most
cases after a brief burst they fail.
There is a lot of work on the the subject of romance and of love, plus
we all have our own experiences and observations. Using love as a focus
by which to examine surrealism and it's dream is brilliant.
I'm sorry this group isn't worthy of you, I hope someplace you can find
a group that is able to help you develop your intuitions, there is
something incredibly fundamental to them.
I wish I could say I would make this group a more peaceful place, but
there are always these little irritations such as Bartlett's denial that
anorexia indicates a social problem and Brandon's assertion that it's a
wonderful erotic image and should be encouraged.
Andrea Chen
>
> Love is a corporation of emotions rather than an emotion itself. This
> confusion leads to most of the errors and pains associated with it. And
> like most corporations, culpability is both hard to assign and difficult
> to enforce.
>
"Love" is indeed a wide variety of behaviors and feelings which are
(often out of convenience) given the name. This is true even when one
sticks to romantic love which is what Chenno specified.
And in many cases individuals feel a "corporation" of diverse and often
contradictory feelings. There are also "scripts," these vary from
individual to individual, but may include an extreme passion followed by
a sense of betrayal. Many "great loves" are of this form. God help
their recepient.
It's interesting that you would claim the complex, often contradictory
nature of love is the source of most trouble. This may be true, but it
isn't because responsibility can't be assigned. Responsibility does
indeed rest on the individual. We have contradictory, "corporate"
emotions about all things.
It's interesting that you suggest that love can be made successful
through examination of the various "corporate" parts. This analytical,
reductionist approach would seem somewhat at odds with general
statements about surrealism. It's a tidy fifties sort of psychology
which indicates litte observation or experience with actual human
romantic love (of the sort which Chenno used as examples) which is
typically a blossuming and bursting of uncontrolled emotions, instead it
sounds like a modern equivalnt of the arranged romance, in which various
factors are carefully calculated and a comfortable safe relationship
built.
There is certainly nothing wrong with this approach and it can lead to
a "love" (though of somewhat different types than Chenno lists.) It's
certainly a conservative and emotionally controlled approach. This
middle class timidity is typical in so much that you say, it indicates
thast your "surrealism" is an attempt to assume the daring and
spontaniety that you lack.
Certainly if Dante had taken your approach we would lack the divine
comedy, instead we'd be stuck with more profane jokes such as yourself.
I'm telling you this because I love you Dale (in a helpful social
counselor "know yourself" way.) This shows the complexity of love,
because of my disinterested altruism I'm not bothered that you don't
thank me for my kindness. In a hotter love (such as those Chenno
listed) this ingratitude could be the source of anger, or pain. But in
your case I follow your presription for love and examine the corporate
parts, removing those which would expect you to be somehow capable of
human feeling.
And if you don't like the above, just think how routinely you apply
such statements to me (and have done from the beginning) while I
diligently cultivate the illusion that you can be communicated with
through the expression of ideas and observations (which always seem to
result in attacks on my character.)
Dale Houstman
"g.v.w. iv"
At least Brandon can utter his "ugly banalities" independent of a
target. You seem incapable of producing work independent of a "mark" or
someone you can look down upon, while all the time you are shitting on
yourself.
Brandon may (or may not) utter "ugly banalities" but you ARE an ugly
banality.
DMH
Dale Houstman
"Brandon J. Freels" wrote:
>
>I find you no more important than a used snot rag.
Surely less? A used snot rag can be easily washed. Gilbert Wilkes and
ilk would have to be eviscerated first, to get at the central stink, and
then it would only be like killing the goose that laid the golden egg.
Not a bad outcome, maybe?
Gilbert the Goose? Surely this a children's book about the dangers of
being too stupid?
DMH
CHENNO
I find your point important. I note you list a successful set of
romantic loves and isn't mind altering, life altering experience
something that surrealism (or other self declared cultural revolutions)
dream of?
Chenno replies with a smile:) Hello and Thank you Andrea , I believe firmly
with your above statment...If Love is not surreal what is? It is so powerful
and spared by so many things and ways...It seems men due to chemical make-up
(not all) confuse sex with with love, or love for sex, women on the other hand
are searching and seeking more romantic love with a partner or project we love
to fall in love with what we do.
The whole love "thing" is a multitude of surreal factors....also within in this
posting if you notice the pattern it took with g.v.w. iv"posts...almost as with
love it sometimes turns sour or developes a poor taste in your mouth.
At any rate this is a subject that holds my interest as it is so powerful and
different to all...And I thank you for commenting , I have been collecting some
data for awhile on this subject and it really is an interesting
subject.
Good day to you Andrea
Chenno ô¿ô