Greetings
to all surrealist on this forum and to all those outside the forum who
embrace the aims and principles of surrealism.
The enemies of surrealism have in the past taken on the clothing of
surrealist, only to spread misinformation! This was so blatantly shown
to us by the rotting corpse of Now Surreal and their attacks on
surrealist, all the while patting itself on the back for their bold
support of surrealism. We all paid attention and withdrew or were
thrown out of their forums! They have now slunk into the shadows with
their tails between their legs, dispensing with all pretense of open
discussion and debate on surrealist issues. They are now just a
gallery displaying only aesthetic visions of artist, selling posters
and prints. But the putrid stench of the enemies of surrealism has
appeared again in the guise of "Vision Art Online". Again "welcoming"
open discussion and debate. Those of us on the Portland surrealist
group forum are well aware of this and
10/8/02
Stuart Inman wrote:
Well, I for one not only do not believe this statement, but know it to
be inaccurate. I am afraid whoever wrote it did not do their homework.
Here is another definition: "Surrealism is the desperate attempt of
poetry to incarnate itself in history" Octavio Paz. (Quoted in
"Surrealism against the current" - this should be on the reading list
of anybody with a serious interest in surrealism, whatever their
interest. Though no doubt this list will attract those people who
praise ignorance and think that anybody who suggests reading a book
must be a pedant!!!
10/8/02
Ribitch wrote:
Thank you Stuart! Certainly a must in reading for an understanding of
surrealism. There are so many who embrace surrealism without any
understanding of it's revolutionary intent. Too many who view
surrealism as a school of the arts without embracing the first
principles of surrealism. I have no idea who has moderates this forum,
but I will say this, if it condones censorship as does that putrid
bucket of puke Now Surreal and it's moderators, who can only wet dream
of surrealism then surrealism resides elsewhere!
Because I recognize some names here I have registered. But I have also
seen Keith Wigdor's name as well and if he is one of the moderators of
this forum- I will resign without hesitation! There can be no
surrealism for the enemies of surrealism!
10/9/02
Dale wrote:
I am in full agreement. Wiggie insists he has nothing to do with this
forum's "leadership" but who believes that drunken snail?
Surrealism is NOT an art movement: how many times must that
inescapable fact be said before it gains critical mass? ANY attempt to
confine the luxurious growth of this oldest flower of human
imagination to a mere series of canvases and sculptures constitutes a
lie against an entirely legible history in documents and actions. And
so we continue to insist that art is only one tool amongst many
(although not an unimportant one) and that the goal of surrealists is
NEVER to produce eye candy, but to stimulate the human imagination to
considerations of further reality, and to a permanent reinvestigation
of human activities BEYOND art. So - Surrealism NEVER existed as an
art movement at ANY time, and - despite any lapse in energy and
"profile" that may exist from time to time - the existence of very
real surrealists groups internationally is enough testimony to that
truth to derail any attempt to pound one more nail into the coffin.
On that morning I received a personal email from Keith Wigdor. (When I
registered on the site I registered with the request that my personal
email was not to accessible)
Keith Wigdor wrote in the personal email:
YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU ARE CERTAINLY A SETBACK FOR SURREALISM! FUCK WITH ME AND I WILL
FUCK WITH YOU! STOP MENTIONING MY NAMES IN FORUM SCUMBAG! FUCK YOU!
I sent a reply back which was returned containing a Klez virus, which
I deleted immediately. I then posted the reply to the Vision forum
along with Keith's foul attack by personal email. It was CENSORED and
never saw the light of day! below in my reply to Keith.
10/9/02
Ribitch wrote:
Keith;
Fine! I did NOT fuck with you! I just clearly stated that if you were
the moderator of the forum that I would resign. Simple as that! Any
body that censor's others as you and Now Surreal did on that purely
commercial site can hardly claim to be a surrealist. I have nothing
personal against you, I don't know you. But I do know that you are not
a member of the surrealist movement. None of the official surrealist
groups around the world recognize you as being sympathetic to
surrealist aims and principles, but are in fact hostile to them. You
are an artist who uses surrealism as an artistic style! Surrealism has
always been far more then artistic style. There are a lot of people
out there that paint in a "surrealistic" style, that does not make
them surrealist. As far as being a set back for surrealism, well, I've
been a member of the Surrealist Movement for nearly 30 years, I am
clear about surrealist aims and principles, I'm clear about where I
stand with the worldy view it as arts site without any surrealist
merit.
Ribitch
Tonight I posted a final posting as an open letter to the Vision
forums site! I will send it on here just in case it too is CENSORED.
At the beginning of two the forums it says and I quote, "Welcome to
the new forum. Feel free to put any comments, and any ideas here. All
about surrealism are welcome here!" and "Hello to all My Fellow
Surrealists! This is Keith Wigdor! I am HONORED to Make this POST and
I PREDICT some Very Interesting Posts and Discussion (and Debate) to
take place here!" But when I posted my last, (2nd) posting it was
censored completely! When I registered on this forum my personal email
was not to be given out. after my 1st posting I was sent vicious a
personal email by Keith Wigdor who made threatening comments and foul
language. None of which I used in my 1st post here. I sent my reply
directly to Keith but it was returned, so I posted my reply on this
forum and it was deleted (CENSORED)It seems that the quotes above
about "welcome to post any comments and ideas" or "some Very
Interesting Posts and Discussion (and Debate)" are only applicable if
they are in agreement with th
Ribitch
"Furthermore, the object of surrealism is moral. The demands it may
elicit from you do not fall short of a furious revolutionary
perspective concerning language, poetry, love, science, erotism,
politics, dependent on an imaginative exaltation of disquieting
materials and potential renewal of latent powers requiring a
purification of means well within your grasp, as easy as the day
swallowing the night."_Philip Lamantia
It is clear now who moderates this forum! A PIG in surrealist
clothing. The stench of Keith Wigdor is all over it. The use of my
so-called non-available personal email address is certainly an
indication of who is in charge there. And the fact that a virus was
sent in my direction is despicable! To all surrealist who have not yet
crossed paths with this psycho corpse, BEWARE, BEWARE! And to all that
are aware of this prick, spread the word far and wide. His only aim is
to sabotage the surrealist movement. He and his forums must be exposed
for what they are.
Ribitch