this seems like a fine newsgroup...
Paul Poroshin
just came upon this newsgroup, but did not find any relevant surrealism
discussion... is it just me?
i did read a few interesting posts regarding Salvador Dali and his status as
a "surrealist"... that was pretty good, but being an American myself, it was
also interesting to read that according to some person's post, Americans
have a distorted understanding of surrealism--which isn't true. i understand
that that discussion was not about Dali's art, and i am a great fan of his
art, but rather about his "surrealistism", and while people think that he
was "anti-surrealism," didn't he once say himself, "Surrealisme--C'est moi!"
just trying to think
paul
Dale Houstman
> >while people think that he
> >was "anti-surrealism," didn't he once say himself, "Surrealisme--C'est moi!"
>
> Precisely why he is considered anti-surrealist. He also said "I am LSD. Take
> me!" Would you mistake him for a tab of acid?
The point is (and the Dali quote is indicative of this, almost emblematic)
that Dali
was a shameless self-promoter and (it is obvious) rather much of a liar. While
hisd
initial impact in America was pleasing to the group, his inability to step back
from
the money and fame to seriously consider his position vis a vis capitalism and
commerce,
and his hunger for attention eventually made serious discussion of surrealism a
rather
difficult proposition.
Surrealism, at it peak moments, is a type of communal activity and his
statement
is not quite up to snuff as philosophy, although I see it passes muster as PR.
This is
why Americans (for the most part) embraced him, but not the other aspects of the
surrealist movement; Americans love bluster and cash. It also didn't hurt that
Dali
(with his broken speech in Spanish, French, and English) fell so neatly into
that
tried and true TV character, the talk-show foreigner clown; Reiko (I think that
was her
name) and Charo are the great examples. Maybe not exactly what Breton would
have wanted for the initial introduction.
Well, history sucks...
DMH
don
> hello all you people who may be reading this,
> just came upon this newsgroup, but did not find any relevant surrealism
> discussion... is it just me?
> i did read a few interesting posts regarding Salvador Dali and his status as
> a "surrealist"... that was pretty good, but being an American myself, it was
> also interesting to read that according to some person's post, Americans
> have a distorted understanding of surrealism--which isn't true. i understand
> that that discussion was not about Dali's art, and i am a great fan of his
> art, but rather about his "surrealistism", and while people think that he
> was "anti-surrealism," didn't he once say himself, "Surrealisme--C'est moi!"
>
> just trying to think
> paul
Hi Paul this is don.
Please correct me if I am wrong, but are you implying
that the only thing that should be posted in this news group is discussion that
strictly pertains to surrealism as a movement, or about certified surrealists.
What if someone who the "Experts" here all agree is a bona fide
"surrealist" happens to be a painter, poet, or other kind of "artist" ? Would
you think then that this is a proper forum to discuss that persons work?
I have some other issues concerning what Is surrealism and what is it that
qualifies a thing to be labeled Surrealist, but I will address them to some of
the others in the previous thread.
Thank you in advance if you consider my questions.
don......
ubujean-ja...@wanadoo.fr
<poro...@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
>hello all you people who may be reading this,
>just came upon this newsgroup, but did not find any relevant surrealism
>discussion... is it just me?
>i did read a few interesting posts regarding Salvador Dali and his status as
>a "surrealist"... that was pretty good, but being an American myself, it was
>also interesting to read that according to some person's post, Americans
>have a distorted understanding of surrealism--which isn't true. i understand
>that that discussion was not about Dali's art, and i am a great fan of his
>art, but rather about his "surrealistism", and while people think that he
>was "anti-surrealism," didn't he once say himself, "Surrealisme--C'est moi!"
>
it is very simple.
Surrealism, as mac do or disney is a brand name.
It was deposed by the french Breton, and he was the only one to be
able to identify wathever as (or not) surrealist.
Dali was an official surealist from 19? to 19? then Breton
disqualified him, and he was a felon.
After the death of Breton, the brand name came in public usage, and
anybody (you?) could claim to be an official surrealist, nobody will
deny.
But felons re-organised themselves, and they decdided to built a
formal structure, wich could (and did) survive themselves and of
course end of all human being.
They built "collége de 'pataphysique" (i'm a pround member of- and
official-) and they tried to refine and complete the works of Breton.
Dali was one of the founder of the collége (of course, for him, it
was freee of charge) also Queneau, baron Mollet, Leiris and a lot of
well known or unknown anathemised surrealists.
For the time being, the college has a number of subsidaries all
around the world, including mongolia.
you can have the visible part of college doing 'pataphysique on alta
vista. try also pataphysique (but this is for not so valuable
students) or you can have a look to oulipo, they are schismatics from
the official point of view, but many people do believe they are more
consistant with the teaching of Breton.
Enjoy.
by the way, the only cheap surrealist painter is there:
if you go through all the pictures, you will be rewarded by an actual
(?) photo of oxana, well pretiest than Gala, although russian also.
bought now, will be very expensive before a few years.
.
On ne voit que ce qu'on regarde, on ne regarde que ce
qui correspond à son schéma mental.
Enlevez ubu pour répondre.