Patagonia Epoxy Boards
Anthony Boesen
Nicholas Eugene O'neill wrote:
>
> Has anyone heard anything for better or for worse about the new Patagonia
> Epoxy Surfboards? Supposed to be 70% stronger than normal boards and 15%
> lighter. Patagonia even will replace one if they break. I'm looking at
> their 9' Traditional longboard. dimensions are something like 2 7/8 thick,
> 21" wide, Shaped by Michael Junod. Anyone ever hear of Michael Junod? his
> shapes? Also wondering if anyone sees the positives and negatives of epoxy
> VS poly resin.
>
> Thanks,
> Nick
Epoxy - stiff Poly - flexible
Epoxy is about 3-4 times the cost of polyster resin.
Epoxy is only as good as the material that goes with it. It should be
used with S-glass, Carbon or Kevlar to get the full mechanical strength
value. Epoxy and E-glass, No. Major of boards are made out of poly and
E-glass becauase it is cheap. Most bottom of boards are one layer of
6oz E-glass. If you add a 4oz layer to the 6oz that would get you the
approximately 70% extra strength cheaply with a little extra weight. Be
sure the core is not styro, one crack or hole and it sucks up pounds of
water.
Good Luck
Steve Williams
Having owned epoxy sailboards for the past 5 years or so, I can tell you,
they are extremely durable. The key is in the sandwich construction, and
reinforcing high density foam in areas that take stress. Considering the
abuse that a sailboard takes, I would imagine that a longboard could last
for a very long time. Because the boards are painted on the outer coat,
you do get paint chips and surface dings and scratches, but less chance for
dings that take in water, like a polyester board. Epoxy boards can be much
lighter, but I would add cloth or other reinforcement, and not worry about
weight so much. Would a ultra light longboard be desirable? Maybe some
other readers can share their knowledge.
Nicholas Eugene O'neill <non...@monet.artisan.calpoly.edu> wrote in
article <65vbv8$bad$1...@isnews.csc.calpoly.edu>...
> Has anyone heard anything for better or for worse about the new Patagonia
> Epoxy Surfboards? ...........................I'm looking at
> their 9' Traditional longboard. ....................................
Tauras
Anthony Boesen wrote:
>
> Nicholas Eugene O'neill wrote:
> >
You forgot to mention that e glass will disappear when poly laminated, S
glass will leave some visible weave that might mess up those slick
labels that sell many a ride ;)
S glass last I looked was about 35 % more expensive but its worth the
cost to get strenght. Blowing near gale SW with slop for surf the next
couple days... oh well saving on the water bill, many inches expected
here on the lost coast the next few days :|
--
~~~~Tauras Sulaitis~~~~
<<<Sty in my I>>>
http://www.slonet.org/~tsulaiti/
Anthony Boesen
I have never had a problem with the weave showing. It just has to be
wetted down good with no dry spots. Dry spots do show the weave on any
fabric.
As far as fabric prices 5.8oz (60 inch wide) S-glass is $12.65 per yard
and 5.8oz (60 inch wide) E-glass is $4.45 per yard. Through the
attached reference http://composite.miningco.com/msubmsallinone.htm. A
little over a 2˝ to 1 price difference. Through Monterey Bay Fiberglass
it was about 2ź to 1 price difference last time I bought. I agree that
S-glass is worth the cost. It would in increase the average cost of a 9
foot longboard about $25-$30. Cheap, for the extra strength!
Paul Couderc
Hi,
I've been using polystyren/epoxy longboards for some years now and
will never go back to clarkfoam/polyester. These boards are extremely
solid, even with only one stinger (In 5-6 ft waves, it is very easy to
break a polyester longboard). However, the dynamics of these boards
are different: they are more rigid and react very quickly. Walking on
the board is a little more difficult; they are also much harder to
surf in bumpy conditions than polyester ones.
Paul
--
Paul COUDERC
Paul.C...@irisa.fr
surf...@bc.sympatico.ca
Re: Patagonia Epoxy Boards
> > > > Nicholas Eugene O'neill wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Has anyone heard anything for better or for worse about the new
Patagonia
> > > > > Epoxy Surfboards? Supposed to be 70% stronger than normal boards and
15%
> > > > > lighter. Patagonia even will replace one if they break.
I looked into getting one of these boards a couple of months ago.
They sound pretty darn good and I was sold on them after I received a
pamphlet from them and talked to a sales rep at one of the Patagonia
stores (can't remember which one -- Santa Cruz?) Anyways, the only reason
I *didn't* get one was because I got shipped off to this Caribbean Island
(St. Lucia) in a hurry and didn't have time to get my hands on one. If
you are interested in these boards, they have a pretty good selection of
lengths and given the guarantee, increased strength, and decreased weight
I was definitely considering one. The only thing is that right now they
come in one colour -- white -- no graphics. (Who cares?)
> > > > Epoxy is only as good as the material that goes with it. It should be
> > > > used with S-glass, Carbon or Kevlar to get the full mechanical strength
> > > > value.
Yes, they use S-glass.
> > > > Be sure the core is not styro, one crack or hole and it sucks up pounds
of
> > > > water.
Yes, it's polystyrene. If you get a ding get out of the water and
grab your duct tape. (I don't think Solarez works with the epoxy glass.
As a matter of fact, it might eat a *bigger* hole in your board -- don't
quote me on it though...
If you have more of an interest in this thread go to www.dejanews.com
and do a search in alt.surfing under "Patagonia & epoxy". You'll get the
lowdown.
Cheers, Gray -- R. Grayson Lloyd Chair, Surfrider Foundation: Canadian
Chapter (Temporarily in St. Lucia -- Life is tough, the surf is warm, not
like back home!)
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Stephen Hull
Paul Couderc wrote:
> In article <348AED...@viser.net> Anthony Boesen <anth...@viser.net> writes:
>
> > Tauras wrote:
> > >
> > > Anthony Boesen wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Nicholas Eugene O'neill wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Has anyone heard anything for better or for worse about the new Patagonia
> > > > > Epoxy Surfboards? Supposed to be 70% stronger than normal boards and 15%
> > > > > lighter.
>
> I've been using polystyren/epoxy longboards for some years now and
> will never go back to clarkfoam/polyester. These boards are extremely
> solid, even with only one stinger (In 5-6 ft waves, it is very easy to
> break a polyester longboard). However, the dynamics of these boards
> are different: they are more rigid and react very quickly. Walking on
> the board is a little more difficult; they are also much harder to
> surf in bumpy conditions than polyester ones.
>
> Paul
> --
> Paul COUDERC
> Paul.C...@irisa.fr
A couple of friends just bought Junod longboards made with these materials. I haven't
tried them but they are significantly lighter, and the guys who bought them claim that
they float higher for the volume of the board. If you get a quality shaper like Junod
to do the design work, the promise of a stronger, lighter, easier paddling board
sounds pretty good. My friends are on a month long tour of New Zealand and Samoa.
Will let you know how they held up (the boards) when they get back.
da hulk, RSO
Stephen Hull
jrg...@hotmail.removexthisxtoxreply.com
In article <348DA0F4...@cats.ucsc.edu>, Stephen Hull
<sh...@cats.ucsc.edu> wrote:
>> However, the dynamics of these boards
>> are different: they are more rigid and react very quickly. Walking on
>> the board is a little more difficult; they are also much harder to
>> surf in bumpy conditions than polyester ones.
That's interesting. Can you explain more? Do traditional poly boards flex?
When? I haven't noticed mine doing that, but I haven't been looking for it
either. Is flexing a good thing? I would think it would crease the
fiberglass. It would seem to me that flexing would not be a good thing, from
a board wear and a performance point of view both. It seems like it would
screw up the water flow under the board and wack out the maneuvering
characteristics. Anybody care to share knowledge about this? Tim? Will?
--
Jason Gill
La Jolla, California
Stephen Hull
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Jason,
Although I wasn't the source of the flex comment, here's what I know. All boards
have a little bit of flex in them. If you've never noticed flex, have someone on
a fairly thin longboard bounce while sitting on it, and watch the nose flutter.
Flex in the board and in the fin system can put a little spring action into
turns, etc. In longboards there is a specific design feature called a
"step-deck" or "bump" which not only lightens the nose by removing weight from
the front third of the board, it allows greater flex at the bump. I have found
that this flex flattens the kick in the nose allowing for better planing dynamics
when noseriding. So you get the nose-kick when on the tail allowing for looser
turns, and less kick when on the nose so you don't push so much water. It is
hell on boards and even with a good "S-cloth" glassing it will fall apart sooner
than later.
da hulk, RSO
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>In article <348DA0F4...@cats.ucsc.edu>,
Stephen Hull
<BR><sh...@cats.ucsc.edu> wrote:
<P>>> However, the dynamics of these boards
<BR>>> are different: they are more rigid and react very quickly. Walking
on
<BR>>> the board is a little more difficult; they are also much harder
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<BR>>> surf in bumpy conditions than polyester ones.
<P>That's interesting. Can you explain more? Do traditional
poly boards flex?
<BR>When? I haven't noticed mine doing that, but I haven't been looking
for it
<BR>either. Is flexing a good thing? I would think it would crease
the
<BR>fiberglass. It would seem to me that flexing would not be a good
thing, from
<BR>a board wear and a performance point of view both. It seems like
it would
<BR>screw up the water flow under the board and wack out the maneuvering
<BR>characteristics. Anybody care to share knowledge about
this? Tim? Will?
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Jason,
<BR>Although I wasn't the source of the flex comment, here's what I know.
All boards have a little bit of flex in them. If you've never noticed
flex, have someone on a fairly thin longboard bounce while sitting on it,
and watch the nose flutter. Flex in the board and in the fin system
can put a little spring action into turns, etc. In longboards there
is a specific design feature called a "step-deck" or "bump" which not only
lightens the nose by removing weight from the front third of the board,
it allows greater flex at the bump. I have found that this flex flattens
the kick in the nose allowing for better planing dynamics when noseriding.
So you get the nose-kick when on the tail allowing for looser turns, and
less kick when on the nose so you don't push so much water. It <B>is</B>
hell on boards and even with a good "S-cloth" glassing it will fall apart
sooner than later.
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Timothy B. Maddux
In article <66ka3o$3h0...@host.spamless.com>,
<jrg...@hotmail.REMOVExTHISxTOxREPLY.com> wrote:
>... Is flexing a good thing?
Greenough would tell you it is; his spoon kneeboard design in the
60's incorporated a flexible tail and a single flexible high-aspect
fin. He regularly rides surf mats, the ultimate deformable wave
riding tool.
I haven't surfed an epoxy or other 'stiffer' board than the
ones I ride, but Da Hulk's comments sound right-on. Flexy
fins, which I have tried, have a snappy rebound feel to them
that I couldn't adapt to well. Haven't heard much about modern
flexible-tail surfboards aside from a blurb in an issue of
Surfer/Surfing a few years ago (I've posted about it before,
do a DejaNews search for 'flexible tail' or somesuch). It
seems to me that a more flexible board will change its shape
to suit the forcing of the surfer and the water flow under
it to as optimum a shape as it can.
From a structural point of view, some ability of the board to
respond elastically (flex and return to its original shape) is
good, distributing an applied stress over the length of the board.
Too flexible and you can get buckles, too stiff and it'll be brittle.
--
.-``'. Tim Maddux, Ocean Engineering Lab, UCSB
.` .`~ http://www.me.ucsb.edu/~tbmaddux/
_.-' '._ "From the essence of pure stoke springs all creation."
Neal Miyake
jrg...@hotmail.REMOVExTHISxTOxREPLY.com wrote:<snip>
> ... Is flexing a good thing? I would think it would crease the
> fiberglass. It would seem to me that flexing would not be a good thing,
from
> a board wear and a performance point of view both. It seems like it
would
> screw up the water flow under the board and wack out the maneuvering
> characteristics. Anybody care to share knowledge about this? Tim?
Will?
I don't know much about surfboard design, but for bodyboards, the flex
plays an integral part in catching, riding and launching on waves. It
allows the rider to better conform to the wave's imperfections and makes
for less drag. If a board has a good "recoil" and "memory", you can use
this to "spring" off the lip to do aerials.
Of course, it's a very subtle thing that is for the most part taken for
granted, but it is essential for good bodyboard design. A lot of this
recoil has to do with how the bottom deck skin is wrapped on the core. Rob
Distefano of Omega Bodyboards would be much more adept in explaining this.
Another analogy may be taken from mat riding. By squeezing and loosening
the pressure in the air mattress, those guys could actually gain tremendous
speed down the line. Truly another lost waveriding art.
As for surfboards, my 9'0" tank has lots of flex that I can feel everytime
I run into some chop. All I know is that it works pretty good.
It's been talked about before, but I'll bring it up again. In the near
future, we may be riding a hybrid of a bodyboard and surfboard, making use
of materials and theories for a standup environment. If we keep an open
mind, we may one day find the ultimate wave riding vehicle.
Aloha,
sponge
HI Surf Advisory (http://www.iav.com/~sponge/)
Rob DiStefano
On 10 Dec 1997 18:34:54 GMT, "Neal Miyake" <spo...@iav.com> wrote:
>
>jrg...@hotmail.REMOVExTHISxTOxREPLY.com wrote:<snip>
>> ... Is flexing a good thing? I would think it would crease the
>> fiberglass. It would seem to me that flexing would not be a good thing,
>from
>> a board wear and a performance point of view both. It seems like it
>would
>> screw up the water flow under the board and wack out the maneuvering
>> characteristics. Anybody care to share knowledge about this? Tim?
>Will?
>
>I don't know much about surfboard design, but for bodyboards, the flex
>plays an integral part in catching, riding and launching on waves. It
>allows the rider to better conform to the wave's imperfections and makes
>for less drag. If a board has a good "recoil" and "memory", you can use
>this to "spring" off the lip to do aerials.
>
>Of course, it's a very subtle thing that is for the most part taken for
>granted, but it is essential for good bodyboard design. A lot of this
>recoil has to do with how the bottom deck skin is wrapped on the core. Rob
>Distefano of Omega Bodyboards would be much more adept in explaining this.
Welp, I dunno how much more adept - you're pretty much on track, Neal.
Though what I'm about to type relates to the softboard industry, some
is also quite pertinent to resin boards. Getting the *right* flex in
a bodyboard for a particular board shape and size - and taking greatly
into account the intended rider's physique, riding style and wave
venue - has to do with choosing the *right* materials: core, skins and
perhaps stringering system. This is not an easy thing to do - the
first tough part is understanding just *what* the rider needs as
opposed to what he/she wants; the second toughie is acquiring the
*right* materials. Unlike the resin board industry, quality soft
board materials are not easy to find, let alone purchase in limited
quantities.
>Another analogy may be taken from mat riding. By squeezing and loosening
>the pressure in the air mattress, those guys could actually gain tremendous
>speed down the line. Truly another lost waveriding art.
R.I.P. - too bad. Mat riding is fun stuff when surfing with the right
crew and on the right kinda waves.
>As for surfboards, my 9'0" tank has lots of flex that I can feel everytime
>I run into some chop. All I know is that it works pretty good.
Flex is good, flex is our friend. (Analogous in the guitar world as:
"distortion is good, distortion is our friend"). But NOT too much,
and not too-too little!
>It's been talked about before, but I'll bring it up again. In the near
>future, we may be riding a hybrid of a bodyboard and surfboard, making use
>of materials and theories for a standup environment. If we keep an open
>mind, we may one day find the ultimate wave riding vehicle.
Yes. No question about the advantages (and disadvantages) of added
board flex in the right amount and in the right places. I recall,
years back, reading where Tommy Curren was experimenting with
flex-tails. IMHO, there will be lots of changes to surfboard
materials and construction somewhere within the new millenium - as
radical as glass'n'resin is to a primitive koa olo. Those with their
minds a little more open and receptive, will push surfboard design
(prone, knee and standup riding styles), particularly when the new
materials become readily accessible and cost-effective.
For a look-see at some soft kneeboards I've been designing/shaping,
click here - http://home.att.net/~omega.bodyboards/ksoft.html
>Aloha,
>sponge
>HI Surf Advisory (http://www.iav.com/~sponge/)
Ah'loa,
Rob.
Surfing Vancouver Island
"Neal Miyake" <spo...@iav.com> wrote:
>It's been talked about before, but I'll bring it up again. In the near
>future, we may be riding a hybrid of a bodyboard and surfboard, making use
>of materials and theories for a standup environment. If we keep an open
>mind, we may one day find the ultimate wave riding vehicle.
Blasphemer
Say no more :-)
Cam
=============================
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Surfing Vancouver Island.... and other wet pursuits
including windsurfing, sailing, scuba, kayaking, fishing and much more
=======================================================================
Will Borgeson
Distribution:
Rob DiStefano (r...@cybernex.net) wrote:
: >Another analogy may be taken from mat riding. By squeezing and loosening
: >the pressure in the air mattress, those guys could actually gain tremendous
: >speed down the line. Truly another lost waveriding art.
After bodysurfing around Malibu as a kid, I started on a mat at C
St in Ventura at age 12 - fond memories. Re: pressure, I think in terms
of inflatable craft (Zodiacs etc) which must be kept accurately
pressurized...they "taco" or fold when hit by chop, if not hi enuff psi.
: Flex is good, flex is our friend. (Analogous in the guitar world as:
: "distortion is good, distortion is our friend"). But NOT too much,
: and not too-too little!
Or, analogous to the stock market: "volatility is good, volatility
is our friend..."
One of the many cool things about bodysurfing is that you can
"flex" the shape of the waveriding vehicle (namely your bod) at will, to
shape it to the wave.
My friend's brand new Harbour Simms Diamond-tail is stress-cracked
along the whole belly of the board...maybe it had too much flex for the
glass job (?)...still surfs great tho. The foam is discoloring under
the cracks, even tho the board isn't taking any water.
I've always thought of flex in standard boards to be extremely
subtle, but I can see where it could at least slightly help the board
conform to chop, boils etc. A shaper once told me he thought channels
were a way of limiting flex. Makes some sense...\/\/\/\/having more
rigidity than --------. As boards go thinner and thinner with lighter and
lighter glass/resin coating, seems flex would come more and more into
play.
I think flex in the center fin of a longboard has much more
immediate and noticable effect than flex in the board...I can see where it
might feel weird or loosy-goosy on a shortboard, but a good cutaway fin
can add new life and responsiveness to a longboard.
Will
Neal Miyake
Surfing Vancouver Island <sur...@island.net> wrote:
> "Neal Miyake" <spo...@iav.com> wrote:
>
> >It's been talked about before, but I'll bring it up again. In the near
> >future, we may be riding a hybrid of a bodyboard and surfboard, making
use
> >of materials and theories for a standup environment. If we keep an open
> >mind, we may one day find the ultimate wave riding vehicle.
>
>
> Blasphemer
I don't see you riding redwood or koa boards on your website. Change is a
fact of life. Embrace it. :-)
Carlos
Will Borgeson wrote:
>
> Distribution:
>
> Rob DiStefano (r...@cybernex.net) wrote:
>
> : Flex is good, flex is our friend. (Analogous in the guitar world as:
> : "distortion is good, distortion is our friend"). But NOT too much,
> : and not too-too little!
>
With respect to bodyboards and wave venues, too much flex usually
means a slow "bogging" ride, especially in sloping, backing off waves.
Too little flex, makes it harder to "crank" those critical bottom
turns, especially important in ledging waves and shore-break.
Then you have to consider riding style. Drop-knee, Stand-ups and
double-
knee riders need stiffer boards. and prone riders can get
away with more flex.
And when you finally take a riders size and weight into account,
flex becomes even more personalized.
but when you've found that sweet flex,
you won't want to settle for anything less... or more.
With respect to surfboards, my little brothers had some flex, and
it snapped in half on me. :(
Ewan.
> > Epoxy is only as good as the material that goes with it. It should be
> > used with S-glass, Carbon or Kevlar to get the full mechanical strength
> > value.
What sort of characteristics do boards made with Carbon and Kevlar have?
How much does it add to the price of a board? Is it worth it?
Ewan
the Sandman
Neal Miyake a notorious sponger wrote:
>
> If we(spongers) keep an open
> mind, we may one day find the ultimate wave riding vehicle.
>
yes, a surfboard!
Neal Miyake
the Sandman, a notoriously angry, politically incorrect, PacNW surfer,
wrote:
ROFL!
I'll have to take you bodyboarding at low tide, dredging Half Point (Sandy
Beach). You might appreciate the vehicle a bit more. :-0
But back to the ish at hand. It won't matter what stance you take--stand
up, knee, prone. It's the materials that will make a difference. Who
knows, you may one day be standing on an Arcel core board. I'll be
laughing and calling you a f#@king sponger.
sponge (I ride surfboards too, sometimes)
Rob
That head-in-the-sand sandman replied to brother Neal's post:
>Neal Miyake a notorious sponger wrote:
>>
>> If we(spongers) keep an open
>> mind, we may one day find the ultimate wave riding vehicle.
>>
>so sandman sez:
>yes, a surfboard!
For the benefit of others reading this newsgroup:
A bodyboard is a surfboard, just as is one's belly, or an air mat, or
a resinated cloth 'n' foam board of any length or riding style. It's
all just surfing. You should have a problem with jet skiiers, not
non-shortboard surfers.
This sandman character is still promoting his surfing prejudices at a
time when we need everyone's united support for better beach access
and water quality. Not in-house bickering. Not even these silly
tongue-in-cheek "look at me, I'm cool, eh brah?" barbs.
You think your waves are untouchable? Politico's rule our beach
venues and they just lick their chops when they see surfer's
squabbling amongst themselves: divide and conquer. I've had first
hand experience with this, and it ain't pretty when your fave surf
break is about to get axed and the state parks director sees the that
the petitioning surfers at his meeting ain't all on the same page.
Then up pipe the fishermen and things get real bloody.
I don't know about the status of your current surfing breaks, but I've
seen *drastic* uncool changes in mine (those that are left) over the
last 40+ years. You wanna stick yer head in the sand(man) and think
it ain't gonna touch you, just live for another 5 or 10 years and talk
to me then.
About this bs hype that standup is the only way to surf: listen to
your heart and mind and do what you feel is best instead of being
peer-pressured into becoming another zombie water lemming following
some bogus pied piper of shortboard standup surfing.
Hey, if only shortboard standup works for you, cool, have some respect
for other kinds of surfing - otherwise just shut the hell up 'cause
your making it worse for ALL of us, godamnit.
There's plenty of room for all kinda surfing, so don't restrict
yourself to just one flavor. You're allowed to play with all the
toys.
Rob.
bea...@powerup.com.au
Ewan asks:- what characteristics? - you cannot be spotted on radar
....ideal for certain spots, perhaps what $$$ does it add - heaps! is it
worth it? - nope, probably not. Epoxy is not environmentally friendly.
carbon fiber's not cheap.... so where's the advantage? If you want
alternative materials, try hemp. Light, more eco-friendly than urethane
foam. Probably not available in the U.K., but they are made in Oz.
the Sandman
alt.surfing resident genious Rob wrote:
>
> That head-in-the-sand sandman replied to brother Neal's post:
>
> >Neal Miyake a notorious sponger wrote:
> >>
> >> If we(spongers) keep an open
> >> mind, we may one day find the ultimate wave riding vehicle.
> >>
>
> >so sandman sez:
> >yes, a surfboard!
>
> time when we need everyone's united support for better beach access
> and water quality. Not in-house bickering. Not even these silly
> tongue-in-cheek "look at me, I'm cool, eh brah?" barbs.
>
> your heart and mind and do what you feel is best instead of being
> peer-pressured into becoming another zombie water lemming following
> some bogus pied piper of shortboard standup surfing.
>
> yourself to just one flavor. You're allowed to play with all the
> toys.
>
> Rob.
sandwhiched between Foondoggy, the Mother Teresa of Sufing,
Vol 76 and 77 I found this post above. Too late I'm afarid.
I sit here now, not far from the Santa Catilina's preparing
to head home to the Frozen North after dumping thousands of
gallons of crude into the Pacific Ocean.
I should be outright keelhauled on the spot. If I survive,
make me scrub the poop-deck from Bows to Stern with a toothbrush.
Hang me from the highest yardarm and lash me with the
cat-o'-nine-tails, for surely I shouldn't be able to live like
a free man after the this confession;
I'm really an anti-environmental pirate sailing the high
seas in my rusty single-hulled tanker, picking up loads
of crude from the Saudis and then dumping it from coast-line
to coast-line all the while drawing attention away from my
crimes against humanity by perpetuating the standup vs
booger war!
Alas Rob, you have temmporarily uncover my dastardly deeds
with your clever insight. I assure you though, I will return
to sail on the high seas once more and continue with my ruthless
and diabolical plot...
Fare-the-well for now!
the Diabolical and Loathsome Sandman
http://www.whammmer.com/
Sir Osis1
That is true....hemp weave makes a board hard as shit. It even can piss of the
politicians. Ugly though, but if you want a board that is strong then this is
your answer! The laminator will be pissed though, because he can't cut it very
well, especially when he has to grind down his overlaps.
Schroeder
Rob
Not loathesome, dude, just pathetic. What are you mentaly, all of 13
or 14? Grow up.
And iff yer gonna retort, I'd appreciate the courtesy not conveniently
snipping.
"You think your waves are untouchable? Politico's rule our beach
venues and they just lick their chops when they see surfer's
squabbling amongst themselves: divide and conquer. I've had first
hand experience with this, and it ain't pretty when your fave surf
break is about to get axed and the state parks director sees the that
the petitioning surfers at his meeting ain't all on the same page.
Then up pipe the fishermen and things get real bloody.
I don't know about the status of your current surfing breaks, but I've
seen *drastic* uncool changes in mine (those that are left) over the
last 40+ years. You wanna stick yer head in the sand(man) and think
it ain't gonna touch you, just live for another 5 or 10 years and talk
to me then."
Rob.
David E. Rattray
Now y'all correct me if I am wrong, but as I remember it, having not
been on a sponge for 20 (Yipes, I'm getting old) years, sponging was not
as much fun as stand-up surfing....
DaRat
Foondoggy
Consider yourself corrected.
-Foon
the Sandman
Rob wrote:
>
> Not loathesome, dude, just pathetic. What are you mentaly, all of 13
> or 14? Grow up.
why? So I can be a fat stuffy middle-aged balding
sponge rider like you? No thanks
Foondoggy
Hey, I happen to be a fat, stuffy, Middle-aged, balding, spongerider and
I'm as happy as you are Sandman to say, you can never be like me. In
fact, I find it hard to believe we're in the same species. Why do you
spend your time railing against whatever demons we spongeriders
represent to you? I find it interesting you find us so threatening, you
would even waste your time to take a shot at us.
Happy Hollow days.
-Foondoggy
Tim
The calumnous but cuddly Sandman "confessed":
> I'm really an anti-environmental pirate sailing the high
> seas in my rusty single-hulled tanker, picking up loads
> of crude from the Saudis and then dumping it from coast-line
> to coast-line all the while drawing attention away from my
> crimes against humanity by perpetuating the standup vs
> booger war!
When a friend of mine, a pantomime dame, heard this, she just didn't
understand and burst out: "Just when is that dastardly, deceitful devil
going to tell us something we don't know. He is truly daboilical,
diaboilic, oh! diabolical! You know what I mean, he's hateful! HATEFUL!!!"
You know, she got herself so worked up she nearly split her bodice!
I'd tried to reassure him, I mean her, but she just wouldn't listen.
Perhaps she's been consorting with that Rob. (Though there's nothing wrong
with that - I like more than a bit of sponging myself).
But now she's got me all of a tizz. What _am_ I to do, children?
Oh look - here comes the pantomime horse.... perhaps she'll know.
......
I say! Look! Over there!
One of those Ugly Sisters looks more than a little bit familiar. The way
she's pretending to beat Cinders over the head with her dirty, ding-ridden
petticoats. Why, it's, it's that scabby old Sandypoppet himself!
Tim
------
"let's kill the planet right now! insist on nothing more than 20mpg!"
the braindead chorus
Neal Miyake
David E. Rattray <cat...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Now y'all correct me if I am wrong, but as I remember it, having not
> been on a sponge for 20 (Yipes, I'm getting old) years, sponging was not
> as much fun as stand-up surfing....
Hi DaRat,
Didn't know that was part of your real name--tough one to grow up with. :-)
Anyway, if you truly last bodyboarded 20 years ago, then you would've been
riding a Morey 132 Boogie Board (I think the only board available at the
time). Riding that narrow slab (like about 16" wide vs todays 22" avg) of
soft foam was more akin to bodysurfing with a large hand gun than riding
today's finely tuned boards. Of course, we are talking performance here.
Fun is a different story. You can't say that bodyboarding is more or less
fun than surfing--it's all relative to the user. If you didn't know any
better, you could have more fun just riding a piece of plywood.
Point is, it doesn't matter what you surf; it just matters that you do.
sponge
Bonzer
the Sandman wrote in message <349771...@whammer.com>...
>alt.surfing resident genious Rob wrote:
>
the "dread pirate Roberts"
Bonzer
John H. Lake
Foondoggy wrote:
>
> David E. Rattray wrote:
> >
> > Now y'all correct me if I am wrong, but as I remember it, having not
> > been on a sponge for 20 (Yipes, I'm getting old) years, sponging was not
> > as much fun as stand-up surfing....
> >
>
> Consider yourself corrected.
>
> -Foon
PoonDogg, I'm in awe.......
That's your first post that I've been able to read in under a minute and
a half. I see a reflection of influence from Alfred, er uh, Sandman in
that post. If I didn't know better I'd say it was forgery.
--
John H. Lake
http://www.accessone.com/~lakes
Bonzer
John H. Lake wrote in message <34989753...@accessone.kissmyass.com>...
>PoonDogg, I'm in awe.......
>
>That's your first post that I've been able to read in under a minute and
>a half. I see a reflection of influence from Alfred, er uh, Sandman in
>that post. If I didn't know better I'd say it was forgery.
>
confused over which ng posts should be attributed to which alias.Still don't
know if its the outer island sand in the brain, or the brain stem loving
slugs that are contributing to this well contrived fallacy and it's downward
spiral to disintegration.
Check recent SM (no pun intended) posts and note how long winded they are.
You tell me if the theory bears out.
Or . . . maybe it's something more sinister . . .
Consider the possibility, for a moment, that these personalities are one of
the new bio-virtual lifeforms that have escaped from it's Intranet bytuarium
and is now evolving and replicating across the Internet, and toying with
this group. Drawing it's seeming real-surf experiences from actual packet
surfing through redundant loops and unexpected drops.
When it speaks, it uses metaphors:
pings = dings
wipeouts = crashes
surfing = browsing
barreled = backbone
maps = routers
surf reports = logs
Cyberkook = sysadmin
kooks = Bill gates et all
Can an evolutionary binary vr life-form have a sense of humor?
Nah, look at Bill Gates.
Of course, he did do that cool replication of the car commercial at Comdex.
Da dada da . . .dada da da.
Must have been a marketing guy's idea :)
Or, even scarier, could there really be a Sandoggy, or Foonman lurking about
with MPD?
Think about it!
Bondoggerman . . . oops, I mean
Bonzer
-- the best surfer is the one having the most fun --
John Ferguson
>That's interesting. Can you explain more? Do traditional poly boards
flex?
>When? I haven't noticed mine doing that, but I haven't been looking for it
>either. Is flexing a good thing? I would think it would crease the
>fiberglass. It would seem to me that flexing would not be a good thing,
from
>a board wear and a performance point of view both. It seems like it would
>screw up the water flow under the board and wack out the maneuvering
>characteristics. Anybody care to share knowledge about this
I've gone through a couple of "compitetion" longboards a few years ago
shaped by John Adair for a company that never made it called Inner Vision.
My favorite was a 9' super-thin board with a very minimal poly glassing job
and narrow nose and tail. It was around 1990, when fast-turning and hard
surfing on a long board was something new (at least in my area).
I found these practically disposeable boards had a neat vibration to them
while they were new, but wore off after awhile. The crispness was like
driving a new car. I liked the vibrating feel it got when I had speed, it
felt more in tune with the wave. However, It only took a few months for
the boards to get "soft" and the flex became more of a "slugishness" than a
"responsiveness". Cracks formed quickly, and after these boards took on
water they were trash.
Today, I'll sacrifice some performance for durability, and my idea of
performance has changed. These Epoxy boards claim to have plenty of both,
I'd like to learn more about them myself.
John H. Lake
Bonzer wrote:
>
> John H. Lake wrote:
> >PoonDogg, I'm in awe.......
> >
> >That's your first post that I've been able to read in under a minute and
> >a half. I see a reflection of influence from Alfred, er uh, Sandman in
> >that post. If I didn't know better I'd say it was forgery.
> >
> I have a theory that they are one and the same,
good theory.......do you know much about cloning?
> and she/he/what has become
> confused over which ng posts should be attributed to which alias.Still don't
> know if its the outer island sand in the brain, or the brain stem loving
> slugs that are contributing to this well contrived fallacy and it's downward
> spiral to disintegration.
>
in other words........they've inhaled too much weed?
> Check recent SM (no pun intended) posts and note how long winded they are.
> You tell me if the theory bears out.
>
> Or . . . maybe it's something more sinister . . .
>
> Consider the possibility, for a moment, that these personalities are one of
> the new bio-virtual lifeforms that have escaped from it's Intranet bytuarium
> and is now evolving and replicating across the Internet, and toying with
> this group. Drawing it's seeming real-surf experiences from actual packet
> surfing through redundant loops and unexpected drops.
>
That's what "THEY" want you to think.............
I'll tell you exactly what it is.
It's a plot by some secret government black ops group. Watch for an
upcoming episode of X-Files for the whole story. You see, I've been
working deep cover within "the organization" for Chris Carter to uncover
"The Project". I've found some startling information about a most
horrific invasion.
I'll give you a hint. It has something to do with the subject of the
post that started this very thread.
Rob
>Rob wrote:
>>
>> Not loathesome, dude, just pathetic. What are you mentaly, all of 13
>> or 14? Grow up.
>
>head-in-the-sandman retorts lashes back:
>why? So I can be a fat stuffy middle-aged balding
>sponge rider like you? No thanks
Er, sorry, none of what you've said above is true. At 52 years young
(I look as though I'm in my late 30's) and I have a full head of my
own dark brown hair (with just a tinge of gray). I'm a very slim 'n'
trim athletic person (have been a long distance runner since the mid
'70's). I surf hardboard standup (okay, okay - longboard only - no
shortboard). But I really dig kneeboarding most of all. I'm
certainly not ashamed to prone ride a sponge if it suits me and the
waves.
Look, man, I can respect you for your belief in hardboard standup
only. But you'd do credit to yourself and your surfing philosophy if
you'd show a little respect for the riding craft choices of others. I
guess it somehow pumps and feeds your ego, but this sh!t you've been
dealing is so uncool. Let's all give the negativity a rest, eh
Sandman?
Rob
Ah, Bonze, that's been incorrectly snipped - that's what the other guy
said.
Rob.
Foondoggy
> > John H. Lake wrote:
> > >PoonDogg, I'm in awe.......
> > >
> > >That's your first post that I've been able to read in under a minute and
> > >a half. I see a reflection of influence from Alfred, er uh, Sandman in
> > >that post. If I didn't know better I'd say it was forgery.
> > >
I'm taking a internet correspondence course from the Sandman University,
on Sucksinct Writing and Diesel Repair.
> in other words........they've inhaled too much weed?
Buds, dude and buds only.
> Or . . . maybe it's something more sinister . . .
> That's what "THEY" want you to think.............
>
> I'll tell you exactly what it is.
>
> It's a plot by some secret government black ops group. Watch for an
> upcoming episode of X-Files for the whole story. You see, I've been
> working deep cover within "the organization" for Chris Carter to uncover
> "The Project". I've found some startling information about a most
> horrific invasion.
>
> I'll give you a hint. It has something to do with the subject of the
> post that started this very thread.
Curses Sandweasel!!! They're on to us. Grab the cash, close the accounts,
and E-mail Gates we're off on assignment. I'll meet you in Cabo, at the
Purple Parrot on New Years Eve. You're buyin.
-Sandoggy
the Sandman
Rob wrote:
>
> Er, sorry, none of what you've said above is true. At 52 years young
> (I look as though I'm in my late 30's) and I have a full head of my
> own dark brown hair (with just a tinge of gray). I'm a very slim 'n'
> trim athletic person (have been a long distance runner since the mid
> '70's). I surf hardboard standup (okay, okay - longboard only - no
> shortboard). But I really dig kneeboarding most of all. I'm
> certainly not ashamed to prone ride a sponge if it suits me and the
> waves.
OK, my mistake. "Stuffy" does fit however.
>
> Look, man, I can respect you for your belief in hardboard standup
> only. But you'd do credit to yourself and your surfing philosophy if
> you'd show a little respect for the riding craft choices of others. I
> guess it somehow pumps and feeds your ego, but this sh!t you've been
> dealing is so uncool. Let's all give the negativity a rest, eh
> Sandman?
<click #9 in the header if your Newsreader permits>
If you look back at the original post, I was making a JOKE
on Neals post. There are 2 other threads going right now
that were 10X more malicious than mine and they appear to
be dead serious. Hell, I surf with a knee-boarder on a
regular basis. RELAX
the Sandman
Foondoggy wrote:
>
> Hey, I happen to be a fat, stuffy, Middle-aged, balding, spongerider and
> I'm as happy as you are Sandman to say, you can never be like me. In
> fact, I find it hard to believe we're in the same species. Why do you
> spend your time railing against whatever demons we spongeriders
> represent to you? I find it interesting you find us so threatening, you
> would even waste your time to take a shot at us.
> Happy Hollow days.
Up until now, alt.surfing had a sliver of a sense of humor.
I believe it's gone now... Maybe if you could(for 5 minutes)
quit postuering and positioning yourself as Saint Foondoggy
you could grasp the Sarcasm and Irony in some of the posts. Do
I have start using emoticons again for the humour impaired?
Sponge riders just happen to be a convenient target. When
you pick up the sponge, be prepared for all that it requires.
Boondoggy
Johnny Utah Lake, steeped in conspiracy theories, wrote;
>
> It's a plot by some secret government black ops group. Watch for an
> upcoming episode of X-Files for the whole story. You see, I've been
> working deep cover within "the organization" for Chris Carter to uncover
> "The Project". I've found some startling information about a most
> horrific invasion.
>
> I'll give you a hint. It has something to do with the subject of the
> post that started this very thread.
>
I've got it! A secret society of speed bumps are making inroads
into the REAL surfing community with "FLEX" boards. Their plan;
Every year make the boards a little more flexible, a little
shorter, a little fatter, and by the year 2005, EVERYBODY will
be riding a sponge! Clever indeed.
Utah, great undercover work! I'll be nominating you for
"Doped-up Internet Detective of the Month"
Rob DiStefano
Sure, no problemo, I'll chill with ya.
Foondoggy
We here at the Institute for the Humor Impaired IHI, have just opened a
new "Sarcasm and Irony" wing and dedicated it in the name of "the
Sandman," who as you all well know is the living personification of the
word "humor". Over the years many have you have witnessed the
scintillating wit and cracklin dry prose of the Sandman and probably
wondered, "how Does he stay SO funny?" Well his secret probably lies
somewhere between self flagellation with a cat'o nine tails made of fish
hooks, and running through a thistle thatch (thay that three times fast)
naked.
But his real skill shines through when we watch his weekly trashing of
Johnny Utah Lake masquarading as sarcasm and irony. It is because of his
achievements in these most difficult of humor's disciplines, that we
here at IHI have dedicated the Sarcasm and Irony wing of the institute
to him.
Truth be told, Sandman's powers of observation cannot be dimmed by the
glare of self-admiration in his own ego-mirror. He speaks the god's
honest truth when he says alt.surfing used to have a sliver of humor. I
remember those glorious times even when it included the sophomoric
persecution of NG favorite whipping boys, Pete Amschel, Cortical, and
VMLXD. Thems was da good olde days wasn't it Sandman?
Quite possibly though our honoree has stumbled upon the metaphysical
truth of why there is such divisiveness and cruelty here in our
supposedly friendly little NG. We have lost our sense of humor, or think
we have, and as a result our first reaction is to tee off at the mere
suggestion of a negative comment and go jugular (as opposed to Postal).
The most revealing point is that many sincerely defend themselves later
by saying they were only kidding or joking or teasing. Well Fuckin A
Jack! We all may think we write as funny as Monty Python (myself
included) but I can tell you from personal experience none of us is
going to get a humor award for what we post. We lose an awful lot of
humor between what we're thinking, and what winds up on the screen.
So whaddya do? Again, the sage of the NorthWest has stumbled into the
answer. We used to use emoticons all the time to denote a joke, a tease,
a good natured flame, and everyone sorta bought into the use and abuse
of 'em to enhance the meaning of what we said. I'm sorry if we are not
all skilled enough in the wordcraft to make our true meanings known in
this group. I for one will try to punctuate my lame attempts at Sarcasm,
Irony, and humor with the appropriate emoticon. d:^) I wish to take this
opportunity to thank Sandman, most sincerely, for bringing this issue
again to our attention. ;^\ And in the interest of elevating good humor
and positive stoke on the group %^), I hope you'll all join me at this
friendly time of year wishing each other, and especially those we've
dissed, a very Happy Hollow Day. :^)
-St.Foondoggy (Patron Saint of the Doughnut) Brought to you by the
Institute of the Humor Impaired -Sarcasm and Irony are our specialty
Rob DiStefano
Foondoggy, you da man!
;-)
- Rob (that old, bald-headed, overweight, stuffy dude)
John H. Lake
Boondoggy wrote:
>
> Johnny Utah Lake, steeped in conspiracy theories, wrote;
>
> >
> > post that started this very thread.
> >
>
> I've got it! A secret society of speed bumps are making inroads
> into the REAL surfing community with "FLEX" boards. Their plan;
> Every year make the boards a little more flexible, a little
> shorter, a little fatter, and by the year 2005, EVERYBODY will
> be riding a sponge! Clever indeed.
>
> Utah, great undercover work! I'll be nominating you for
> "Doped-up Internet Detective of the Month"
Good Forgery, you SandDevil.
John H. Lake
Rob DiStefano wrote:
>
> On Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:20:02 -0800, the Sandman
> <whamm...@whammer.com> wrote:
>
> >Rob wrote:
> >>
> >> dealing is so uncool. Let's all give the negativity a rest, eh
> >> Sandman?
> >
> >be dead serious. Hell, I surf with a knee-boarder on a
> >regular basis. RELAX
>
> Sure, no problemo, I'll chill with ya.
ok, now everybody hug and sing kumbiya (sp?)
Foondoggy
In article <349985...@nist.gov>,
> > upcoming episode of X-Files for the whole story. You see, I've been
> > working deep cover within "the organization" for Chris Carter to uncover
> > "The Project". I've found some startling information about a most
> > horrific invasion.
> >
> > post that started this very thread.
> >
>
> I've got it! A secret society of speed bumps are making inroads
> into the REAL surfing community with "FLEX" boards. Their plan;
> Every year make the boards a little more flexible, a little
> shorter, a little fatter, and by the year 2005, EVERYBODY will
> be riding a sponge! Clever indeed.
>
> Utah, great undercover work! I'll be nominating you for
> "Doped-up Internet Detective of the Month"
So clearly a forgery I am ashamed to be mentioned. Should you or any of
your MF (mofo)Team be caught or captured Mr.Sandman, the Secretary will
dissavow any knowledge of your existance, or sanity.
-Foondoggy (Accept no substitutes)
SurffOhio
The following was intercepted on a sub space communication from the Klingon
sector to the Sandman's dish on Mt St Helens:
Hak moi chau, Sandman.
( I see you are fighting with the bodyboarders on alt.surfing, Sandman.)
Yes, my lord.
Chaaaa Mak loi!!!!!!!!! HaHaHaHaHaHa!
( They are like drowning rats on driftwood, eh? )
Yes, my lord.
Yauk Lak mai chi?
( Have you eliminated that donut stuffing, do gooder Foondoggy yet? )
No, my lord.
Mak Lai?
( Do you find your present life enjoyable?)
He is very wily, my lord. I have tried to find him and the other scourge of
alt.surfing, Neal Miyake.
Cha Lak choi mok!!!!!!!!!!!!
( I want two small piles of ashes floating on two stupid sponges!!!!!)
Yes my lord.
Luk Mai cheng sha!!
( You can be replaced with Johnny "Utah" Lake! )
Transmission ended.
Surff
Nagdog1
>> Nicholas Eugene O'neill wrote:
>> >
>> > Has anyone heard anything for better or for worse about the new Patagonia
>> > Epoxy Surfboards? Supposed to be 70% stronger than normal boards and 15%
>> > lighter. Patagonia even will replace one if they break. I'm looking at
>> > their 9' Traditional longboard. dimensions are something like 2 7/8
>thick,
>> > 21" wide, Shaped by Michael Junod. Anyone ever hear of Michael Junod? his
>> > shapes? Also wondering if anyone sees the positives and negatives of
>epoxy
>> > VS poly resin.
I tried the exact board you are talking about, and frankly, if you are into any
type of "traditional" longboarding, you probably wouldn't want to get that
board, if the bottom designs are the same as the single fin I rode. First of
all, it was impossible, because of irregularities in the rocker and bottom
shape, to noseride. I tried the tri-fin 9'0" too, and I found that it surfed
like a big shortboard. As for Michael Junod, he is an excellent surfer with
great style, but as for his shaping, I can't judge. The only thing I can say is
that the boards that I rode shaped by him were below my expectations.
-Ian
Fleetmo
Excuse me?..."hardboard standup?" nnneeeerrrrrddddddsss
the Sandman wrote:
> Rob wrote:
> >
> > Er, sorry, none of what you've said above is true. At 52 years
> young
> > (I look as though I'm in my late 30's) and I have a full head of my
> > own dark brown hair (with just a tinge of gray). I'm a very slim
> 'n'
> > trim athletic person (have been a long distance runner since the mid
>
> > '70's). I surf hardboard standup (okay, okay - longboard only - no
> > shortboard). But I really dig kneeboarding most of all. I'm
> > certainly not ashamed to prone ride a sponge if it suits me and the
> > waves.
>
> OK, my mistake. "Stuffy" does fit however.
>
> >
> > Look, man, I can respect you for your belief in hardboard standup
> > only. But you'd do credit to yourself and your surfing philosophy
> if
> > you'd show a little respect for the riding craft choices of others.
> I
> > guess it somehow pumps and feeds your ego, but this sh!t you've been
>
> > dealing is so uncool. Let's all give the negativity a rest, eh
> > Sandman?
>
> <click #9 in the header if your Newsreader permits>
> If you look back at the original post, I was making a JOKE
> on Neals post. There are 2 other threads going right now
> that were 10X more malicious than mine and they appear to
Neal Miyake
Fleetmo <fli...@microweb.com> wrote:
> Excuse me?..."hardboard standup?" nnneeeerrrrrddddddsss
> the Sandman wrote:
> > Rob wrote:
<snipped>
> > > ... I surf hardboard standup (okay, okay - longboard only - no
> > > shortboard). But I really dig kneeboarding most of all. I'm
> > > certainly not ashamed to prone ride a sponge if it suits me and the
> > > waves...
What's wrong with saying hardboard standup? Rob just so happens to ride
multiple types of wave riding vehicles in different stances. He's just
differentiating them in his response. Not to mention the fact that he's
been riding waves for probably 40+ years. Don't resort to name-calling
just because, I assume, you view the surfing world in only one light
(probably surfing standup on a resin board).
Fleetmo
I don't know...been surfing 20years and the words "hardboard standup"
just seemed funny and new, that's all! I have nothing against boogie
boards (better tube rides no doubt), kneeboarding, bodysurfing, kayaks
(except for wave runners). Whatever it takes to enjoy/define mother
nature in the purest soup!
Fleetmo
Rob DiStefano
On Sat, 20 Dec 1997 10:26:15 -0800, Fleetmo <fli...@microweb.com>
wrote:
>I don't know...been surfing 20years and the words "hardboard standup"
>just seemed funny and new, that's all! I have nothing against boogie
>boards (better tube rides no doubt), kneeboarding, bodysurfing, kayaks
>(except for wave runners). Whatever it takes to enjoy/define mother
>nature in the purest soup!
>
>Fleetmo
Oops, should have clarifed that "hardboard standup" statement, 'cause
I also ride softboards standup sometimes (as well as double-knee,
drop-knee and prone: depends on the board, the wave and my mood).
Sorry 'bout dat, Fleetmo.
>Neal Miyake wrote:
>
>> Fleetmo <fli...@microweb.com> wrote:
>> > Excuse me?..."hardboard standup?" nnneeeerrrrrddddddsss
>> > the Sandman wrote:
>> > > Rob wrote:
>> <snipped>
>> > > > ... I surf hardboard standup (okay, okay - longboard only - no
>> > > > shortboard). But I really dig kneeboarding most of all. I'm
>> > > > certainly not ashamed to prone ride a sponge if it suits me and
>> the
>> > > > waves...
>>
>> What's wrong with saying hardboard standup? Rob just so happens to
>> ride
>> multiple types of wave riding vehicles in different stances. He's
>> just
>> differentiating them in his response. Not to mention the fact that
>> he's
>> been riding waves for probably 40+ years. Don't resort to
>> name-calling
>> just because, I assume, you view the surfing world in only one light
>> (probably surfing standup on a resin board).
Yeah, Neal, 42 years of surfing, come Spring of '98 - my, my, how the
time do fly. I've got a coupla souvenirs from all those years: great
memories of how it was back then when anyone who rode waves on
anything (and 'most anywhere you wanted to) had one helluva ball (most
of the time) 'cause we wuz all jus' surfin' - oh yeah, and a pair of
bad surfer's ears (95% exostosis, both ear canals) thanx to the cold
Northeast water. But I'd do it all again, anytime. There's way more
to surfing than just the act of flowing with a wave.
Rob.
the Sandman
Foondoggy wrote:
>
> Curses Sandweasel!!! They're on to us. Grab the cash, close the accounts,
> and E-mail Gates we're off on assignment. I'll meet you in Cabo, at the
> Purple Parrot on New Years Eve. You're buyin.
>
After this thread, I need a drink. Careful, you guys are
gonna drive me to drinkin again. Then it'll get ugly
JP
looking for: http://members.tripod.com/~sponger13
A really cool site!!!!!!!!!!!