Origin of the term "Haowly (sp?)"
Shine
I know local Hawaiians refer to whites as Haowlies - and it is not meant
to be complimentary. What does this really mean?
Hawaiians traditionally exchanged greetings by blowing their breath on
each other -- the early European explorers preferred to shake hands.
So, Hawaiians once refereed to whites as "no breath." I am wondering if
his is where the term comes from.
Foon
In the 50s they devoted an entire kids show to it.
"The Haoli Doody Show"
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sabuWinewinkle
Shine <Sh...@leading.net> wrote:
> I know local Hawaiians refer to whites as Haowlies - and it is not
> meant to be complimentary. What does this really mean?
http://library.thinkquest.org/3021/People/caucasion.html
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el_roca
(Regarding "haole")
> Hawaiians traditionally exchanged greetings by blowing their breath on
> each other -- the early European explorers preferred to shake hands.
> So, Hawaiians once refereed to whites as "no breath." I am wondering
>
Another version I've heard for this, is that because the Europeans
insisted on wearing their 'New England Weight' wool clothing, even
though they were in the tropics, they were rather odiferous and it
was better to hold one's breath when in close proximity to them.In
other words, they stunk so bad it would take your breath away.They
weren't real big on the concept of bathing,either.
Thus, "without breath"= haole.
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Süs
research on the question:
> http://library.thinkquest.org/3021/People/caucasion.html
Sabu ...
I do hope you are not one of my students.
"I found it on the internet." ... Hmmmm???? ... Did you happen to
notice that your *find* was written by high school students? Do you
have any idea where they got their information? Do you do any critical
analysis of what you read?
Get some tutoring in the learning center and report back.
Dktr Sus
lemmings!
jb
Isn't the term haole a racial slur?
On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 18:13:09 -1000, "Süs" <s...@lava.net> wrote:
> sabuWinewinkle <sabuwin...@my-deja.com> so generously offered his
>research on the question:
>
>> http://library.thinkquest.org/3021/People/caucasion.html
>
>
>Sabu ...
>
>I do hope you are not one of my students.
>
>"I found it on the internet." ... Hmmmm???? ... Did you happen to
>notice that your *find* was written by high school students? Do you
>have any idea where they got their information? Do you do any critical
>analysis of what you read?
>
MG
j...@swbell.invalid (jb) wrote:
>
> Isn't the term haole a racial slur?
Yes, it's a racial slur. While applied to all white people, intent can
vary. It can be a put down for being white -- as in ''dumb fucking
haole'' --, or a way of identifying someone who's white (''you surf
pretty good for a haole'').
HI is the only State where white people are discriminated against for
being white. Synonomous in the way black folks have been treated for
years down South.
MG
Foon
>against for being white.
And you should see what they do to freckled folks!!! Or as we
call them, People of Colors.
-Back'OdaBusFoon
Bud
> HI is the only State where white people are discriminated against for
> being white. Synonomous in the way black folks have been treated for
> years down South.
That is about the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard. You actually
believe that caucasians in Hawaii have historically suffered discrimination
as a race, comparable to black Americans??
Bud
MG
Bud <bu...@pixi.com> wrote:
> That is about the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard. You actually
> believe that caucasians in Hawaii have historically suffered
discrimination as a race, comparable to black Americans??
>
> Bud
>
Historically, no. Individually, yes. I'm only using blacks here to
illustrate a point.
All I'm saying is that if you're white, and in Hawaii, you'll be aware
of racism and tension, eventually. (Guess that depends on where you go
too.)
Michael Sullivan
>
> In article <38f1dfe4...@news.swbell.net>,
> j...@swbell.invalid (jb) wrote:
> >
> > Isn't the term haole a racial slur?
>
> Yes, it's a racial slur. While applied to all white people, intent can
> vary. It can be a put down for being white -- as in ''dumb fucking
> haole'' --, or a way of identifying someone who's white (''you surf
> pretty good for a haole'').
>
> being white. Synonomous in the way black folks have been treated for
> years down South.
whoooo! MG... Having contempt for a people who came in and
illegally and immorally usurped and conquered a free sovereign
nation through deceit and strength of arms is nowhere near
synonymous with systematically, politically, and religiously
relegating a race of people to sub-human status as US did
for 200 years to blacks.
I've travelled quite a bit and have been treated with
contempt at home and abroad as being either white or
American, tourist, or all three. I get over it, if it's
the worst thing that has ever happened it's a beautiful
day.
Oops, have i just been snagged?
if so, good one.
Mike
elvisTHEpelvis
MG <maui...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > That is about the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard. You actually
> > believe that caucasians in Hawaii have historically suffered
> discrimination as a race, comparable to black Americans??
> > Bud
> Historically, no. Individually, yes. I'm only using blacks here to
> illustrate a point. All I'm saying is that if you're white, and in
> Hawaii, you'll be aware
> of racism and tension, eventually.
> MG
The only people caring about haoles, blahlas, locals, and all
Hawaiian slang and terminology, are Hawaiian sympaticos.
Individually, I don't give a gosh darn how racial the term is,
frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn about the term haole. Take a
trip to Peoria, Illinois or Des Moine, Iowa, they've never heard the
word or care less. C'mon get on with your lives.
Aloha means goodby.EP
Crag T. Bagger
>HI is the only State where white people are discriminated
against for
>being white. Synonomous in the way black folks have been
treated for
>years down South.
I don't think it is synonymous at all, but in fact white people
are currently discriminated against in EVERY state.
Crag
sabuWinewinkle
"S=?ISO-8859-1?B?/A==?=s" <s...@lava.net> wrote:
> sabuWinewinkle <sabuwin...@my-deja.com> so generously offered his
> research on the question:
> I do hope you are not one of my students.
> "I found it on the internet." ... Hmmmm????
>
> Did you happen to notice that your *find* was written by high school
> students? NO!
> Do you have any idea where they got their information? NO!
> Do you do any critical analysis of what you read? NO!
> Get some tutoring in the learning center and report back. NO!
> Dktr Sus
Thanks anyway.
Dr.Saboo PHD, Universty of Munich
FlekToneZ
>HI is the only State where white people are discriminated against for
>being white.
ugh, yeah, right....i could spend three days naming off stuff, starting with
affirm action...which is racist to EVERYONE!
>Synonomous in the way black folks have been treated for
>years down South.
i'm from the South, I currently live in the South, i have no intent on being
anywhere else at this time. i am aware that slavery happened...it happend to
white folks, AND black folks in this country at one time or another. I don't
let it bother me...seems noone else does down here either...It's the people on
the OUTSIDE that seem to be bothered by it. I've run into MUCH more
discrimination for being a 'twenty-something' than ever i have being non-white.
I am treated well, my friend, and no matter where you are, with few
exceptions, you are treated for the way you present yourself....racism, as a
broad term, from what i've seen, is a hoax..propogated by politicians to divide
people.
>''you surf
>pretty good for a haole'').
yeah, sorda like, you play pretty good ball for a white boy, or, you read
pretty well for a black guy... there's a long running joke w/ some friends
that every time i say that i was reading about something...someone will whisper
into an imaginary lapel microphone "this black guy can read, send *two*
cars!"...yet i digress.
if i were in hawaii, and someone called me a 'haole', i'd consider that person
as much of a confused little bastard as someone calling me a 'nigger'. Pending
on the context, i would consider breaking an arm, but i'd probably just be
entertained.
superfly®
superfly in threads about cookies and nookies... I mean
you already surf right? What more do you need in the way
of temporal requirements? sounds like happily ever after
to me...
superfly- 200pds of cookie and nookie making surf muscle!
MG <maui...@my-deja.com> opened up a can of worms when she wrote:
> In article <38f1dfe4...@news.swbell.net>,
> j...@swbell.invalid (jb) wrote:
> >
> > Isn't the term haole a racial slur?
>
> Yes, it's a racial slur. While applied to all white people, intent can
> vary. It can be a put down for being white -- as in ''dumb fucking
> haole'' --, or a way of identifying someone who's white (''you surf
> pretty good for a haole'').
>
> HI is the only State where white people are discriminated against for
> being white. Synonomous in the way black folks have been treated for
> years down South.
>
> MG
Tom Tweed
<crag_t_bag...@my-deja.com.invalid> wrote:
[snipped]
>I don't think it is synonymous at all, but in fact white people
>are currently discriminated against in EVERY state.
Yeah, right! White people are so discriminated against and
oppressed that they still control most of the wealth and occupy
most of the positions of power in the political system. Yep, da
Man really got his foot on those white folks neck!
You've been listening to too much hate radio again, Crag.
Because Rush Limbaugh and Roger Hedgecock say it's true doesn't
make it true. Or did a person of color beat you out of a job
promotion or your rightful place in medical school?
Please quit injecting your conservative politics into what is
supposed to be a surfing forum. That sucks.
Thanks,
TT
---------------------------------
Tom Tweed mailto:twe...@ucsd.edu
La Jolla, CA, USA or ttw...@san.rr.com
"Religion is for those who are afraid of going to Hell.
Spirituality is for those who have been there."
---------------------------------
Crag T. Bagger
twe...@ucsd.edu (Tom Tweed) wrote:
>On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 11:33:23 -0700, Crag T. Bagger
><crag_t_bag...@my-deja.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>[snipped]
>
>>I don't think it is synonymous at all, but in fact white people
>>are currently discriminated against in EVERY state.
>
>Yeah, right! White people are so discriminated against and
>oppressed that they still control most of the wealth and occupy
>most of the positions of power in the political system. Yep, da
>Man really got his foot on those white folks neck!
Is it not a fact that civil service examination points are
awarded, and college admissions policies favor (to cite two
examples of many), minorities? Is it not a fact that such
policies fit the definition of "discriminatory"?
>You've been listening to too much hate radio again, Crag.
>Because Rush Limbaugh and Roger Hedgecock say it's true doesn't
>make it true. Or did a person of color beat you out of a job
>promotion or your rightful place in medical school?
Funny, I don't listen to Rush and never even heard of the other
guy. Equally funny was that I did not offer any political
opinion, merely an observation of fact, and that simply making
the observation earns me a political label.
>Please quit injecting your conservative politics into what is
>supposed to be a surfing forum. That sucks.
My politics are not conservative. But as long as this forum is
used by some people to advance political views with which I
dissent, I *will* voice that dissent. Stop trying to censor me,
Tom.
superfly®
it to politicize cam's AS crew page???
http://www.island.net/~surfer/page04ap.htm
In article <38ea412f...@news-server.san.rr.com>,
twe...@ucsd.edu wrote:
> Please quit injecting your conservative politics into what is
> supposed to be a surfing forum. That sucks.
Tom Tweed
<super...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>speaking of which, who's hair-brained idea was
>it to politicize cam's AS crew page???
>
>http://www.island.net/~surfer/page04ap.htm
If you're talking about the name of my boat, tolerance is not a
political issue, it's a virtue, one that could be exercised a bit
more often on this newsgroup, IMHO.
Tom Tweed
<crag_t_bag...@my-deja.com.invalid> wrote:
>Is it not a fact that civil service examination points are
>awarded, and college admissions policies favor (to cite two
>examples of many), minorities? Is it not a fact that such
>policies fit the definition of "discriminatory"?
Discrimination is a big word and it means lots of things. We
discriminate every day when we make common life decisions, such
as what to eat and who to talk to. The discrimination under
discussion was racism that leads to systematic oppression.
Your first two points above are facts (in some states, not all),
but they do not support your former or present conclusions. The
third "fact" you state is false. Those strategies fit the
definition of affirmative action, which was a policy designed to
counterbalance past discrimination against people of color. They
have not resulted in the widespread discrimination and oppression
of white people, as you implied.
> Equally funny was that I did not offer any political
>opinion, merely an observation of fact, and that simply making
>the observation earns me a political label.
You did not "observe" a fact, you stated a conclusion that
stretches the facts, based on current realities.
>My politics are not conservative.
That's not how you come off, from the statements you've made.
>But as long as this forum is
>used by some people to advance political views with which I
>dissent, I *will* voice that dissent. Stop trying to censor me,
>Tom.
This forum is not here to advance political views of any sort,
unless they are surf-related (beach access, clean water,
discrimination against SURFERS, etc., are political issues that
may be relevant for discussion here). I'm not trying to censor
you, I'm trying to call bullshit on a thread that has diverged
too far off-topic. I'm not going to argue the merits of AA with
you in AS, and no one else should either.
Over and out.
FlekToneZ
>snipped a bunch of sexist jargon>
>superfly- 200pds of cookie and nookie making surf muscle!
wow, that gov't. cheese must be getting to you...what's that? 5 lbs in 5 days?
glad to see you at least LIKE girls, or pretend to anyway....i can't stand
gays that women-bash...good to see you're 'bigger' than that...now quit
thinking of me when you jerk off you sick bastard.
MG
superfly® <super...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> Mauigirl. If I were you I'd stick with the lemmings and
> superfly in threads about cookies and nookies... I mean
> you already surf right? What more do you need in the way
> of temporal requirements? sounds like happily ever after
> to me...
>
I obviously have problems expressing myself, and some folks have
political hot buttons. And I consider myself apolitical.
My analogy might be off center, but the attitude I see towards haoles
isn't. Just my experience.
MG
Crag T. Bagger
twe...@ucsd.edu (Tom Tweed) wrote:
>On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 12:36:30 -0700, Crag T. Bagger
><crag_t_bag...@my-deja.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Is it not a fact that civil service examination points are
>>awarded, and college admissions policies favor (to cite two
>>examples of many), minorities? Is it not a fact that such
>>policies fit the definition of "discriminatory"?
>
>Discrimination is a big word and it means lots of things. We
>discriminate every day when we make common life decisions, such
>as what to eat and who to talk to. The discrimination under
>discussion was racism that leads to systematic oppression.
http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=discrimination,
does not make any mention of racism or systematic oppression. My
statement of fact is supported by the dictionary definition,
whereas your rebuttal requires augmentation of that definition.
>Your first two points above are facts (in some states, not all),
>but they do not support your former or present conclusions. The
>third "fact" you state is false. Those strategies fit the
>definition of affirmative action, which was a policy designed to
>counterbalance past discrimination against people of color.
And the method by which that policy (AA) has been implemented is:
discrimination (dictionary definition) that is intended and
purported to work to the benefit of the members of certain racial
groups.
> They have not resulted in the widespread discrimination and
oppression
>of white people, as you implied.
I implied nothing. I stated unequivocally that racially-based
discrimination against caucasians is currently practiced in every
state in the union. This is, politically-motivated semantic spins
notwithstanding, a verifiable fact.
>> Equally funny was that I did not offer any political
>>opinion, merely an observation of fact, and that simply making
>>the observation earns me a political label.
>
>You did not "observe" a fact, you stated a conclusion that
>stretches the facts, based on current realities.
I stated a fact. AA is by definition racially discriminatory.
That is a fact. I did not offer my political opinion as to
whether AA is either a good policy or a bad policy. It is you
who now seek to put a favorable political spin on AA, while
simultaneously accusing me of pushing a political agenda. How
surprising - a PC topic cop on usenet!
>>My politics are not conservative.
>
>That's not how you come off, from the statements you've made.
So, using words in their dictionary sense makes one seem
politically conservative? Revelatory of your own politics, I
suppose.
>>But as long as this forum is
>>used by some people to advance political views with which I
>>dissent, I *will* voice that dissent. Stop trying to censor
me,
>>Tom.
>
>This forum is not here to advance political views of any sort,
>unless they are surf-related (beach access, clean water,
>discrimination against SURFERS, etc., are political issues that
>may be relevant for discussion here). I'm not trying to censor
>you, I'm trying to call bullshit on a thread that has diverged
>too far off-topic.
It didn't diverge, it started out way off topic - unless the
topic of "surfing" somehow automatically covers Hawaiian-language
racial slurs. Why did you "call bullshit" on my post, rather
than one of the other posts? Why have you repeatedly interjected
your own political biases if your only purpose was to "call
bullshit?"
Regards
superfly®
Whatever you say... You're a person too! I
guess when it's your political agenda it's ok?
Anytime you want to explain how AS is intolerant
you just go ahead and let loose, okaaaaaaaaaaay
Thomas?
In article <38ea585f...@news-server.san.rr.com>,
twe...@ucsd.edu wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 20:31:59 GMT, superflyŽ
> <super...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> >speaking of which, who's hair-brained idea was
> >it to politicize cam's AS crew page???
> >
> >http://www.island.net/~surfer/page04ap.htm
>
> If you're talking about the name of my boat, tolerance is not a
> political issue, it's a virtue, one that could be exercised a bit
> more often on this newsgroup, IMHO.
Andrew Smith
news:8cd3e2$50m$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <38f1dfe4...@news.swbell.net>,
> j...@swbell.invalid (jb) wrote:
> >
> > Isn't the term haole a racial slur?
>
> Yes, it's a racial slur. While applied to all white people, intent can
> vary. It can be a put down for being white -- as in ''dumb fucking
> haole'' --, or a way of identifying someone who's white (''you surf
> pretty good for a haole'').
>
> HI is the only State where white people are discriminated against for
> being white. Synonomous in the way black folks have been treated for
> years down South.
Thanks for the generalization
...asshole
a.
Mama Sus
>It would seem from the posts regarding this thread that most
Hawaiians don't
>really consider themselves as part of the US of A . Is that
correct?
>It's rather amazing how much you Seppos are ignorant about your
own country
>let alone the rest of this planet.
LOL ... hmmm ... 'Seppos'? Not sure how insulted to be, Ron ;-)
But, thought you might like this answer: ("The Hawaiian Nation
Never Ended") http://starbulletin.com/2000/03/25/news/index.html
To read about our government: http://www.lava.net/~hawngovt/
Mama Sus
.. citizen of the planet (DNA: human; color: pinkish with those
foonish design extras)
.
Mongolian Horde
T. Bagger <crag_t_bag...@my-deja.com.invalid> wrote:
>In article <38ea58e0...@news-server.san.rr.com>,
[snip twaddle]
>http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=discrimination,
>does not make any mention of racism or systematic oppression.
Don't worry about Mr Bagger Tom, as it's clearly time for his
regular enema.
Meanwhile I beleive that Mr Bagger would get on fine with our
Beloved prime-minister Mr Howard who has recently been defending
one of his ministers who is trying to side step issues relating
to the international law definitions of genocide through
semantic twiddling and mean-spiritedness.
http://www.smh.com.au and look for articles on "the stolen
generation".
lemmings!
darat and foondoggy, but I havn't picked up the
crack pipe in many moons. when I was in the crack
business, getting on usenet and talking smack was
the furthest thing from my mind. consider yourselves
lucky...
as a once great but now washed up hazbeen of AS
exclaimed; "alt.surfing is not life" ;-)
never the less I will steadfastly persevere in my
attempt to increase my "tolerance"
lemming- 188 pds of tolerant surf muscle!
Tom Tweed wrote:
>
> On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 23:12:50 GMT, superfly®
> <super...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> >Anytime you want to explain how AS is intolerant
> >you just go ahead and let loose, okaaaaaaaaaaay
>
> OK, Preston, sure! Thanks for the opportunity.
>
> Tolerance is a wonderful, multi-faceted word. In relation to AS,
> I was speaking of the definition of tolerance as it is used in
> medicine, namely: "the natural or developed ability to endure or
> resist the harmful effects of the continued or increasing use of
> a drug."
>
> It is my firm belief that if you rummies could hold your brew and
> buds better, and especially put down that crack pipe, the signal
> to noise ratio on the newsgroup would go way up. d:-)
Tauras
Tom Tweed wrote in message <38ea87b7...@news-server.san.rr.com>...
>It is my firm belief that if you rummies could hold your brew and
>buds better, and especially put down that crack pipe, the signal
>to noise ratio on the newsgroup would go way up. d:-)
I believe signal to noise ratio is a sine function, more drops you get the
better the signal?
But maybe its all been said before and only the rummy versions are left?
Lets hope not ;)
Tauras
www.slonet.org/~tsulaiti/surfreport/
Süs
>I've travelled quite a bit and have been treated with
>contempt at home and abroad as being either white or
>American, tourist, or all three. I get over it, if it's
>the worst thing that has ever happened it's a beautiful
>day.
Michael!
Be careful ... you are watering down the message.
You see, we hope that more ppl will spread these stories about racial
tensions here. The ones that buy into the stories arrive with
defensive, arrogant atttitudes, find the hate they seek, and then go
home and perpetuate the rumors. It works.
(We just don't have room for anymore yahoos trying to make this into a
suburb of SoCal culture.)
Mama Sus
livin' on easy ...
... "Waat?! *You* go beef da dumb haole! I deed *tree* da kine
yestahday - dah buggahs wen hyperbolic!"
... "Hoh, humbug, eh?"
Ron Taylor
really consider themselves as part of the US of A . Is that correct?
It's rather amazing how much you Seppos are ignorant about your own country
let alone the rest of this planet.
Ron Taylor
> MG
Tom Tweed
<crag_t_bag...@my-deja.com.invalid> wrote:
[snipped]
> Why did you "call bullshit" on my post, rather
>than one of the other posts?
Because I was afraid that next you would be telling us that
Ronald Reagan was the best damn President this country ever
had....
Tom Tweed
<super...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>Anytime you want to explain how AS is intolerant
>you just go ahead and let loose, okaaaaaaaaaaay
OK, Preston, sure! Thanks for the opportunity.
Tolerance is a wonderful, multi-faceted word. In relation to AS,
I was speaking of the definition of tolerance as it is used in
medicine, namely: "the natural or developed ability to endure or
resist the harmful effects of the continued or increasing use of
a drug."
It is my firm belief that if you rummies could hold your brew and
buds better, and especially put down that crack pipe, the signal
to noise ratio on the newsgroup would go way up. d:-)
TT
FlekToneZ
>Thanks for the generalization
>
>...asshole
relax, my friend, there's no reason to get crazy over it.
FlekToneZ
>Because I was afraid that next you would be telling us that
>Ronald Reagan was the best damn President this country ever
>had....
dude, he was cos he did nothing!
superfly®
turning down the lights? life is much
simpilar my way
In article <8cdnh7$so1$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
MG <maui...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> I obviously have problems expressing myself, and some folks have
> political hot buttons. And I consider myself apolitical.
>
> My analogy might be off center, but the attitude I see towards haoles
> isn't. Just my experience.
jb
wrote:
>On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 23:12:50 GMT, superfly®
><super...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>>Anytime you want to explain how AS is intolerant
>>you just go ahead and let loose, okaaaaaaaaaaay
>
>OK, Preston, sure! Thanks for the opportunity.
>
>Tolerance is a wonderful, multi-faceted word. In relation to AS,
>I was speaking of the definition of tolerance as it is used in
>medicine, namely: "the natural or developed ability to endure or
>resist the harmful effects of the continued or increasing use of
>a drug."
>
>It is my firm belief that if you rummies could hold your brew and
>buds better, and especially put down that crack pipe, the signal
>to noise ratio on the newsgroup would go way up. d:-)
>
>TT
TT, I realize that you are the grand master of this ng, but would
you please keep your bitch-slapping to a minimum and tone down
the noise? Some of us are trying to get some sleep around here.
"Why don't you just take the prelims to e-mail and let us know
how the main event comes out?" ;)
Who started this racial slur question anyway?
-jb
MG
superfly® <super...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> I concur. now how about the cookies and
> turning down the lights? life is much
> simpilar my way
You really love those cookies. How bout you and Mr. Lems get in touch
with Dee Dee, since she's the Baker here, and enjoy them with the
lights turned down. I've got a session to finish up, OK? (I'm on a
diet besides.)
MG
MG
>
Tsk! Tsk! Don't hold back Andrew. Name calling suits some people.
Tell us, what part of the generalization didn't you like?
That some haoles are dumbing fucking assholes; or
That some haoles surf pretty good for haoles?
May I preface the above as a generalization? Please allow me.
MG -- There. I'm feeling better already
P.S. Surff told me to not be so serious. I'm trying....
jb
wrote:
>In article <8ce6ca$d9e$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> superflyŽ <super...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>> I concur. now how about the cookies and
>> turning down the lights? life is much
>> simpilar my way
>
>You really love those cookies. How bout you and Mr. Lems get in touch
>with Dee Dee, since she's the Baker here, and enjoy them with the
>lights turned down. I've got a session to finish up, OK? (I'm on a
>diet besides.)
>
>MG
>
MG, why do I get the feeling you are more concerned with erectile
dysfunction than you are with PMS? Do you nick yourself during
your morning shaves, or do you use the Ultra Glide?
And please, leave lemming alone. He is a bit slow to catch on
and he seems to have fallen head over heels for you.
-jb
JimtheGenius
their faces and mouths , thus haoles became the term for the whites
el_roca
the haves (his pals) and the have nots.He allowed an illegal
covert operation to be run from the White House.He ignored the
Aids problem because it was a disease contracted by people he
didn't give a damn about.He allowed the CIA to bring enough
cocaine into the country that the price was driven down,the
end result being crack, and all the problems associated with it.
He violated an act of Congress,and in general,pissed all
over the Constitution.He was an evil fucker.We still suffer
the effects of his 'legacy' to this day.
--
><
el_roca
><
http://homestead.deja.com/user.el_roca/
Foon
>Mama Sus
>... citizen of the planet (DNA: human; color: pinkish with those
>foonish design extras)
>
Yeah BAAABY!!! WE are the World, we ARE the Freckled ONES!!
-Foonski (Cult leader and another minority!!)
Foon
>I can't speak for anybody else, especially jb,
>da rat and foondoggy,
When did that happen? I know I missed a few days. Tell me?
NG exhibit #1:
>as a once great but now washed up hazbeen of AS
>exclaimed; "alt.surfing is not life" ;-)
Lemins use of a ironical "smiley!!"
NG exhibit #2
>never the less I will steadfastly persevere in my
>attempt to increase my "tolerance"
Two ironclad indications that the endtimes are near.
REPENT OH YOU SINNERS!!!
-Father O'Foonie
Foon
... "Waat?! *You* go beef da dumb haole! I deed *tree* da kine
>yestahday - dah buggahs wen hyperbolic!"
>.... "Hoh, humbug, eh?"
Foon translated:
Hey, you should go and greet our white visitors from the
Mainland. I welcomed three of them yesterday and they were
absolutely effusive in their appreciation. Wasn't that nice of
them?
-NoAkamaiFoon
Tauras
Tauras
www.slonet.org/~tsulaiti/surfreport/
Foon wrote in message <292e0cf1...@usw-ex0105-034.remarq.com>...
>OUR LEMMING SAID??:
>
>>I can't speak for anybody else, especially jb,
>>da rat and foondoggy,
>
>When did that happen? I know I missed a few days. Tell me?
>
>
> NG exhibit #1:
>
>>as a once great but now washed up hazbeen of AS
>>exclaimed; "alt.surfing is not life" ;-)
>
> Lemins use of a ironical "smiley!!"
>
> NG exhibit #2
>
>>never the less I will steadfastly persevere in my
>>attempt to increase my "tolerance"
>
>
> Two ironclad indications that the endtimes are near.
>
>
> REPENT OH YOU SINNERS!!!
>
>-Father O'Foonie
>
Michael Sullivan
>
> Michael Sullivan <gc....@forsythe.stanford.edu> wrote:
>
> >I've travelled quite a bit and have been treated with
> >contempt at home and abroad as being either white or
> >American, tourist, or all three. I get over it, if it's
> >the worst thing that has ever happened it's a beautiful
> >day.
>
> Michael!
>
> Be careful ... you are watering down the message.
>
> You see, we hope that more ppl will spread these stories about racial
> tensions here. The ones that buy into the stories arrive with
> defensive, arrogant atttitudes, find the hate they seek, and then go
> home and perpetuate the rumors. It works.
Yes, the PNW folks do this on AS, but I see right
through it.
>
> (We just don't have room for anymore yahoos trying to make this into a
> suburb of SoCal culture.)
This is funny, Mama. Until I started reading
AS years ago I never had any great desire to visit
Hawaii. I lived in SoCal for 13 years and all my
buddies there would surftrip there, or move there,
or had folks with houses there. My Mom-in-law
lived there and goes every year.
Them: 'Sully got to go to Hawaii!'
Me: 'What for, go see more Socals? I got beach
and bar rat chere'
I must know about half a dozen guys who surfed and
did construction in SoCal that took their latest
remodel check and moved to the islands before the
poor homeowner could discover the shoddy workmanship
they did.
But you and DeeDee and Neal and Bud are so unflaggingly
nice all the time it's convinced me to make the haul
someday with my marriage opponent and the junior Sullys.
I already promised Neal though that we'd only clog
up the tourist breaks, we won't go seeking any of
your secret spots. :^)
Mike
FlekToneZ
flek says:
i could pick apart your argument and we could hash it out, not gonna do it, but
suffice it to say:
>We still suffer
>the effects of his 'legacy' to this day.
yup check out These effects:
note the krispy kreme hot zone IPO note on the top right.
look for my email at your deja account....
lemmings!
concerning surfing, the whole surfing world
is waiting for a personal trainer to express
his views on the regan presidency and the finer
points of the american economy. don't leave us
hangin like that...
Ron Taylor
original question as it this most intelligent and logical one in this whole
thread? It would have saved a lot of time and trouble.
Ron Taylor
PS. With so much intelligence you'd have to be and Ozzie if not we'll adopt
you.
JimtheGenius <jimthe...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000405033259...@ng-df1.aol.com...
jb
(FlekToneZ) wrote:
>roca wrote a bunch of stuff..about regan...
>
>flek says:
>
>i could pick apart your argument and we could hash it out, not gonna do it, but
>suffice it to say:
>
>>We still suffer
>>the effects of his 'legacy' to this day.
>
>yup check out These effects:
>
>http://dowjones.com
>
I think I know where Flek is going with this and I think I have
to agree. The economy we have today is due to two factors.
First, regulations were stripped away during the Reagan era.
Second, during the Clinton era, government has been in gridlock
for 8 years. In other words, we are benefitting from the Reagan
era of deregulation and the Clinton administration has left it
untouched.
Was that your point, flek?
-jb
Joan
jb wrote:
> I think I know where Flek is going with this and I think I have
> to agree. The economy we have today is due to two factors.
> First, regulations were stripped away during the Reagan era.
> Second, during the Clinton era, government has been in gridlock
> for 8 years. In other words, we are benefitting from the Reagan
> era of deregulation and the Clinton administration has left it
> untouched.
Ever hear of Paul Volker? Alan Greenspan?
The Federal Reserve Board controls the economy. Not some 2 bit
politicans.
edmund
jb
wrote:
Alan Greenspan controls interest rates, not deregulation.
-jb
FlekToneZ
>
>-jb
yessir...but i think you put it so much more eloquently, if that counts...
i don't mean to be so vague sometimes, i just hate to be overly obvious.
:The Federal Reserve Board controls the :economy. Not some 2 bit
:politicans.
:edmund
The American People control the economy. Not some 2 bit Federal Reserve Board.
when are people going to learn? it's us that make this place what it is, not
some wanker in a tie.
I was wondering though if anyone takes offence to the 'seppo' thing?....that
and 'haole' are both racial slurs right?
FlekToneZ
>Are jetskiers
>surfers?
ugh, no. I don't think anybody answered because they either have the word
jetskiers kill filed, or they felt the answer was obvious.
steve m
: well shit. seeing that it's "all been said"
: concerning surfing, the whole surfing world
: is waiting for a personal trainer to express
: his views on the regan presidency and the finer
: points of the american economy. don't leave us
: hangin like that...
: FlekToneZ wrote:
: >
: > roca wrote a bunch of stuff..about regan...
Well shit, Lemming, that's all fine and good too. And I must
say this whole thread has been very, ummm, shall we say....tangential?
However, I can't take it anymore, so I've finally decided to
break down and crash this circle-jerk of tangentiation and
put in my 2 cents also: Ready?.....
It's RE*A*GAN dammit!
Okay, I feel good getting that out once in for all.
I can leave this thread in peace now.
Later,
Steve
--
Yeah, dude, whatever
Southoz
racial slur ? I guess some of you might. Are Texan's of a different race to
those in the PNW?
Southoz.
"FlekToneZ" <flek...@aol.comscrewoff> wrote in message
el_roca
>The economy we have today is due to two factors.
> First, regulations were stripped away during the Reagan era.
> Second, during the Clinton era, government has been in gridlock
> for 8 years. In other words, we are benefitting from the Reagan
> era of deregulation and the Clinton administration has left it
> untouched.
>
better on a full moon,too.Both are myths.Reagan gave us the largest
national debt ever seen in peacetime.He and his cronies were
responsible for the banking crisis in the 80's.Another by-product
of his voodoo economics was the major recession of the late 80's.
The current economy has no relation to Reagan.We have had a protracted
struggle to correct the mess he created.Bush wasn't re-elected mainly
because of his continuation of Reagan-like economic policies.The Clinton
administration,and it's willingness to work with an otherwise
antagonistic Congress,is the sole cause of the current economic
situation.
Reagan was an evil,lying,heartless,elitist,clueless,scumbag fuck.
You probably think Nixon was a great man,also.
jb
wrote:
OK bigboy, hop up on the seat and tell us what Clinton has done
to create this economy? I do remember him trying to start a
massive socialized flop of a health care system. That was
shortly before the government shut down and closed its doors.
It doesn't matter who did it, but deregulation is the cause of
our robust economy today.
-jb
Foon
>It doesn't matter who did it, but deregulation is the cause of
>our robust economy today.
This has been great gentlemen. Very interesting, well documented,
and better then most PolySci 101 courses at a community college.
But as Moms Foon once observed, "You can't win an argument about
politics or religion."
So in honor of WSD this weekend lets turn the attention of AS's
little subgroup on Politics and the Economy to something more on
topic. How 'bout:
The merits of removing the Stars and Bars from the State House in
South Carolina.
-JohnnyFoon (Carolina Roots, Confederate Ancestry, raised in NYC,
who's my DADDY?)
steve m
: You don't address Lem as "Dad," anymore, huh.
: That's sad, becuase you had the
: Vader/Skywalker thing going.
: Show some respect to your pops! Let the world
: know you love your dad! (For anyone that does
: not know, Lemming is Steve's dad.)
Well...It's like this, Gams. I started to get
pissed off at pops when he kept backing off of
his promise to pay for my flight out to the PNW
so I could show him I ain't scared of surfing
the waves he thinks no one else has the balls to.
So, playing the part of every spoiled bratty
kid, I decided I should pout, throw fits, and
whine, "You're not my father anymore!!" until
he comes up with the big bucks to pay for my
every want, without me having to work at all
for anything I get.
Hey, wait a minute!
They always say, "Like father, like son," right?
Well, ol' pops certainly acts the same way
with his father (Bill Gates) and step-father
(the u.s. government), so maybe I *am* his
son after all.
Damn, things must be rougher on Lem than
I thought with that nasty family fight going
on between his father and step-father....
I guess maybe I *should* go easier on him.
: Maybe it's time for family counseling.
Time's running out; it's already in the penalty
phase.
FlekToneZ
>South Carolina.
the only people that need to worry about this are in south carolina, i am...who
else?
FlekToneZ
>racial slur ? I guess some of you might. Are Texan's of a different race to
>those in the PNW?
>Southoz.
yeah, a different race as much as whites and blacks are supposed to be a
different race.
Crag T. Bagger
twe...@ucsd.edu (Tom Tweed) offered up some bait:
>On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 15:20:10 -0700, Crag T. Bagger
><crag_t_bag...@my-deja.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>[snipped]
>
>> Why did you "call bullshit" on my post, rather
>>than one of the other posts?
>
>Because I was afraid that next you would be telling us that
>Ronald Reagan was the best damn President this country ever
>had....
>
Nice off-topic political troll there, Tom. Although the bait was
old and stale, it proved to be effective in catching some of
those hungry fish. FWIW, I personally don't recall ever having
expended too much energy extolling the virtues of that
particular non compos mentis criminal.
If you really wanted to be controversial, you could've offered up
an opinion about how the intellectually bankrupt dogmas of
political correctness are ruining the education system in this
country (and around the world), by turning academic institutions
at all levels into political reeducation camps. And how the
wellspring of this philosophical coprophagy is located at the
highest levels of the ivory tower.....
Crag
Foon
>wellspring of this "philosophical coprophagy" is located at the
>highest levels of the ivory tower.....
Oh MOMMY!!! I gotta work this into one of my posts!!! I'm sure
the statement is pure fact and well documented by irrefutable
evidence, so the only question I have is, Where is this Ivory
Tower?
-Foontower (Like an Ivory Tower only much lower)
el_roca
>philosophical coprophagy
>
I thought it was "koprophagy"?
In any case,I haven't heard that one
in ages. LOL !!