An account from the person who found Jay's body
DaRat~
rambling crap to get to Tim Godfrey's account of finding Jay
Moriarity's body in the Maldives, which is close to the
bottom of the page. Jay was committed, even to the very end.
http://www.sacklunch.com/benm/index.shtml
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The description of finding Jay's body:
"My dive buddy and I immediately descended the reef
slope and followed the rope toward the flat, sandy bottom at
24 meters. In the faint beam of the underwater light, I saw
Jay's body lying on the bottom a short distance away from
the reef.
It was apparent he died while diving at depth and not on
ascent, as his body remained near the bottom of the rope
where he was diving. He most probably died of hypoxia,
caused by low oxygen in the blood and in his last seconds
when his oxygen reserves would have been severely depleted,
he may have become disorientated and unsure of which way was
up or down and been overcome by the desire to breathe. More
probably, he prolonged his dive so much, that he blacked out
instantly. The condition in which I found his body seems to
confirm this as his body remained rock hard and cemented in
his final pose, Being at more than three atmospheres of
pressure, with little body fat, his airspace's compressed
and possibly with his lungs full of water, Jay's body was
negatively buoyant and very heavy, hence the reason it
didn't drift away in the strong current.
When I first saw his shadowy outline, it was like an
apparition, as though I was viewing some gladiator-like
statue that had fallen over. He was lying face down in the
sand with his head tilted to one side and his mask and
snorkel firmly in place. His legs were spread apart, like he
was balancing to do push-ups and his arms were bent at the
elbows and tucked under his body. His fists were clenched
and fingers closed tight, like he was racing himself for
some sort of onslaught. He was wearing only his O'Neill
board shorts, a watch and a ring on his wedding finger. His
back muscles rippled in the torchlight. That dying image was
one of strength and determination, not confusion and panic,
as one may have expected in the final moments."
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Donations can be sent to:
Coast Commercial Bank
Post Office Box 1818
Santa Cruz CA. 95061-1818
Attn. Moriarity Memorial Fund
Agent Utah®
>
> You'll have to wade through a bunch of Ben Marcus'
>
> http://www.sacklunch.com/benm/index.shtml
>
So my little Eric Bitch......since you're
the tattoo'd mag hound........what's with
this "sacklunch" and Ben Marcus
character. Who are they and what do they
have to offer us?
Pimps? Soul?
Let's hear the lowdown..........
p.s. see ya in couple months, buddy.
Lemmings!
"DaRat~" <surf...@hot-curl-mail.com> wrote
DaRat~
the rest of the profiles with you?
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Agent Utah® <agent...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Foon
>
>What the hell does a dead pro surfers family need money for?
It looks like some of that water you surf in has gotten into your heart.
=Foon
Lemmings!
I'm gonna make a point here and it's gonna go way over your head.
"Foon" <fo...@sanonofre.com> wrote
Greg Wolf
says...
> Shut up Foondummy.
>
> I'm gonna make a point here and it's gonna go way over your head.
This should be interesting. We'll wait.....
> "Foon" <fo...@sanonofre.com> wrote
> > >
> > >What the hell does a dead pro surfers family need money for?
> >
> > It looks like some of that water you surf in has gotten into your heart.
> >
> > =Foon
--
Greg Wolf
"What fools, we, who in our darkness failed to seek out
your lamp of wisdom, and drink from your fount of truth"
Grey Wolf 6:66
Smart guy, that Grey Wolf
Lemmings!
other than the obvious bullshit, I will proceed without further delay...
This is the 3rd time I've seen someone begging for money to be sent
to Jay's family. I find it preposterous that whatever relatively small
debts are incurred for burial and to pay off debts that his family
can't pay off, are not being taken care of by the surf industry
pimps that made millions of dollars off of Jay's image and endorsements.
It's shameful that people have to beg on usenet for surfers to take
responsibility for something that could easily be done by these
fat cats.
"Greg Wolf" <KEEPYOURgrey...@snotmail.com>
Foon
>
>Shut up Foondummy.
"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored." -Aldous Huxley
>I'm gonna make a point here and it's gonna go way over your head.
Oh, don't over estimate me. I will cling to every word.
-Foon (me thinkest my dart has found it's mark)
Greg Wolf
says...
> Well since no one has enough guts to add anything to this thread
> other than the obvious bullshit, I will proceed without further delay...
>
> This is the 3rd time I've seen someone begging for money to be sent
> to Jay's family. I find it preposterous that whatever relatively small
> debts are incurred for burial and to pay off debts that his family
> can't pay off, are not being taken care of by the surf industry
> pimps that made millions of dollars off of Jay's image and endorsements.
>
> It's shameful that people have to beg on usenet for surfers to take
> responsibility for something that could easily be done by these
> fat cats.
Hmmmmm.... I thought there was only one redneck in this group. Wrong
again.
> "Greg Wolf" <KEEPYOURgrey...@snotmail.com>
> > > I'm gonna make a point here and it's gonna go way over your head.
> >
> > This should be interesting. We'll wait.....
>
>
>
>
--
Lemmings!
"Foon" <fo...@sanonofre.com> wrote
Bud
> Well since no one has enough guts to add anything to this thread
> other than the obvious bullshit, I will proceed without further delay...
>
> This is the 3rd time I've seen someone begging for money to be sent
> to Jay's family.
I would point out that (in this case), the story was cut and pasted from a
website to the usenet/alt.surfing.
> I find it preposterous that whatever relatively small
> debts are incurred for burial and to pay off debts that his family
> can't pay off,
> are not being taken care of by the surf industry
> pimps that made millions of dollars off of Jay's image and endorsements.
> It's shameful that people have to beg on usenet
I've read a couple of different articles and saw an address to send
donations but don't recall anyone begging for anything, especially the
family. People often want to give gifts in these situations. I'd bet it was
friends - not the family, who set up what ever charity fund is going on.
> for surfers to take
> responsibility for something that could easily be done by these
> fat cats.
Then the cynics would probably call out the "fat cats" for trying to benefit
from the guys death.
Good surfing to you,
Bud
Agent Utah®
hey....where is my answer numbnuts? I
asked a question of the Mag hound, I
expect an answer damnit.
Agent Utah®
>
> Well since no one has enough guts to add anything to this thread
> other than the obvious bullshit, I will proceed without further delay...
>
> This is the 3rd time I've seen someone begging for money to be sent
> to Jay's family. I find it preposterous that whatever relatively small
> debts are incurred for burial and to pay off debts that his family
> can't pay off, are not being taken care of by the surf industry
> pimps that made millions of dollars off of Jay's image and endorsements.
>
> It's shameful that people have to beg on usenet for surfers to take
> responsibility for something that could easily be done by these
> fat cats.
>
If it were for a memorial or maybe a
scholarship fund "in memory of" I could
see the point. But I don't recall any
specifics of the $$$$ was for.
as for the whole situation of what
happened.......I have my own opinions that
I will respectively keep to myself.
Foon
>
>Foon I can't believe you are making a troll out of the death of a surfer...
What was I thinking? You're right again as usual. I will leave that dirty work
to the pros.
Lemkin wrote in his eulogy for Jay Moriarity:
"Well since no one has enough guts to add anything to this thread
other than the obvious bullshit, I will proceed without further delay"...
"What the hell does a dead pro surfers family need money for?"
A dead man,
Who never caused others to die,
Seldom rates a statue
-Anon
-Foon (I hate it when it gets slow in the summer)
The Supreme Court
>If it were for a memorial or maybe a
>scholarship fund "in memory of" I could
>see the point. But I don't recall any
>specifics of the $$$$ was for.
I have to agree. They simply can't be have made a dontaion address simply
because he was some sort of surf star. That would just be crass.
There must be more to it. Maybe he had kids, maybe for a scholarship or
memorial like Utah said. It must be something. Anyone know what the reason is?
I'd like to know what Jay did (besides charge hard - no doubting that - he gets
full respect in that department) as a contribution to society. Why should I be
more concerned with his death than the woman that got carjacked a shot to death
last week down my street? Is it becuase he is a surfer? If so, what kind of
surfer was he? Did he vibe people? Was he cool to people? Did he cut people
off? Did he help random surfers or just his bros?
I'm not trying to be cold, but more like asking: Who was this guy? What did he
do for the world? Why are we as a group (of surfers) concerned that he died? I
know guys that charge hard everyday. The difference between Jay and them is
(well, there's Mavericks) but the difference is that i know guys that charge
hard everyday and some of them have died. And I didn't know this Jay guy
except through marketing and pictures.
I realize many people on AS might have known this guy personally. I think I saw
Luis post a testimonial. Anyone else? Or are we concerned just cause he charged
hard? If charging hard is enough then so be it.
Gamivia Duke, Esq.
DaRat~
no mag hound, but will answer your questions as best i can.
someone who posts to aggroville on the mavsurfer site
had found the scribblings of ben marcus about jay's death
and posted the url. that's how i found out about sacklunch.
other than what i read from ben marcus, i have no idea, nor
am i really interested in what sacklunch is all about. from
the looks of things, it's another one of those cybermags
competing with skip snead's lifelounge and bluetorch.com.
all pimp, no soul. crap.
as for ben marcus, well he used to work for surfer mag
some years ago, and i think he was the one to write the
first article on mavericks' "discovery" back in the early
'90s. marcus is not a very popular character in the surf
world, at least up here in norcal. he dissed frank quirarte
in the same article that talks about jay's death because
frank's been too busy trying to get 'return of the drag-in'
ready for it's premiere in santa cruz, and also helping out
the moriarity family, to send marcus an advanced copy of the
video and more info on the benefit. benny could have just
checked out the mavsurfer site to find that stuff out.
anyway, other than that, i don't know much about ben
marcus but you can chalk him up as some bitter old kook who
thinks he's drew kampion. i did find the article interesting
in a sense that yvon from patagonia wants to make some
outrageous helicopter journey to look for surf and fish on
the kamchatka peninsula. a few weeks ago there was a good
sized system in the bering sea that was sending 8 foot plus
surf to the east coast. god only knows what the wind set-up
is like there. i want to go explore.
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DaRat~
name to start up a surf school on santa cruz's east side.
not sure how accurate that is, but that decision is left up
to the moriarity family. as for you, funny you mention
money. how's that huge settlement from microsoft?
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Lemmings! <lemm...@seanet.com> wrote in message
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DaRat~
and the other mavericks forum. there are over a thousands
posts from around the world expressing sorrow for jay's loss
and how he impacted their lives, whether they knew him
personally or just through videos and such. the kid was the
duke k. reincarnated. he always had a smile, always laughed,
never vibed anyone and didn't let his surf star status go to
his head. he'd talk to anyone, whether you were peter mel or
the average joe. he was the spirit of aloha. he'd help
anyone with their surfing and people felt confident in
serious conditions knowing he was in the water with them.
i seriously suggest you spend some time reading through
all the posts relating to jay, and then you'll get a better
sense of who jay was as a person.
http://www.mavsurfer.com/forum/
this isn't a pimp, but just to give you more
information, check out swell.com. evan slater wrote a very
good piece about jay. he was truly loved by the world more
for who he was as a person. he was jay.
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The Supreme Court <gam...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Lemmings!
additional donations, contact me via email.
"DaRat~" <surf...@hot-curl-mail.com> wrote
Gleshna
>What the hell does a dead pro surfers family need money for?
>
">> Donations can be sent to:
>>
>> Coast Commercial Bank
>> Post Office Box 1818
>> Santa Cruz CA. 95061-1818
>>
>> Attn. Moriarity Memorial Fund
"
Sometimes complete strangers want to express condolescenses(sp?) by donating to
a favorite cause. This is quite common with public figures from my experience.
It is might be worth noting that a memorial fund does not necessarily mean the
money goes to the family and usually is does not mean this.
However, unless a man has very good insurance or an exceptional financial
situation or a highly paid spouse, the family might well have furture financial
difficulties.
REd
Lemmings!
> Sometimes complete strangers want to express condolescenses(sp?) by
donating to
> a favorite cause. This is quite common with public figures from my
experience.
> It is might be worth noting that a memorial fund does not necessarily
mean the
> money goes to the family and usually is does not mean this.
Aaaah. Thanks for the insight REd. Sometime these modern American
social rituals concerning media celebrities perplex me.
> However, unless a man has very good insurance or an exceptional financial
> situation or a highly paid spouse, the family might well have furture
financial
> difficulties.
One of his sponsors or all of them should take care of this.
Ggcarroll
> It is might be worth noting that a memorial fund does not necessarily mean
>the
>money goes to the family and usually is does not mean this.
>However, unless a man has very good insurance or an exceptional financial
>situation or a highly paid spouse, the family might well have furture
>financial
>difficulties.
I've been thinking about this. Both Jay and his wife were in their early 20's.
How many people that age think about insurance? And if he did think about
it, could he even get it since he was such a high profile big wave surfer?
From what I read, his wife works at O'Neils..can't imagine it's a big salary
job.
ggcarroll
Neal Miyake
> other than what i read from ben marcus, i have no idea, nor
> am i really interested in what sacklunch is all about. from
> the looks of things, it's another one of those cybermags
> competing with skip snead's lifelounge and bluetorch.com.
Been watching Sacklunch on occasion. Started off as a sort of dot-com
demise news repository for action sports websites. Has changed a bit,
recently putting out not-so flattering news on extreme sports and media.
Sacklunch was the one who talked about the Hardcloud.com and Bluetorch.com
layoffs. Also remembered that it put out rumors that Swell.com was in
trouble. Even Diets was't spared, with some unkind words about
Surfcheck.com way back.
sponge
Doc
>
> > However, unless a man has very good insurance or an exceptional
financial
> financial
> > difficulties.
>
> One of his sponsors or all of them should take care of this.
Now, considering the rapacious nature of insurance companies - is there a
chance in hell that one of them would write a life insurance policy on
somebody who rode big waves for a living? Say, a half-million dollar policy
with premiums less than a hundred grand a year?? Hell, the minute you put
down Occupation - Professional Surfer. Place of Employment - Mavericks,
Jaws, Todos Santos. you can kiss that policy goodbye. The only way anybody
could get such insurance would be through a well heeled sponsor.
Another thing, while it's on my mind; those of you who have life insurance
( I don't ) - have a look at the fine print. And see under what sort of
circumstances they won't pay off. Assume that the company will try to weasel
out of anything that comes even close to those circumstances. Uh huh - that
really covers quite a lot, doesn't it.....
Doc....
Greg Wolf
jfm...@mediaone.two.three.four.net says...
> Another thing, while it's on my mind; those of you who have life insurance
> ( I don't ) - have a look at the fine print. And see under what sort of
> circumstances they won't pay off. Assume that the company will try to weasel
> out of anything that comes even close to those circumstances. Uh huh - that
> really covers quite a lot, doesn't it.....
Generally, a life insurance payout is automatic except in two cases:
1. if the insured commits suicide within two years of paying the first
premium
2. if the beneficiary is convicted of manslaughter or murder of the
insured, or if there is a strong suspicion of same, backed by some
evidence
Health insurance and property/casualty insurance is another matter.
Those folks are weasels to the core.
Example: after 14 months, the insurer is still fighting paying some of
my medical expenses from a vehicle accident. The reason: they don't see
how I could have gotten a head injury in the wreck. Hmmmmm..... sitting
next to the window, van gets hit on that side by three different
vehicles while sliding sideways across the freeway - head dribbled like
basketball off the window; nope, not even with those bruises and a
positive MRI.
</rant>
BTW, that paragraph probably explains a lot to some of y'all.
Agent Utah®
I read some of it. Ben Marcus thinks he's
the Sandman. Though it's more like he's a
cheap imitation.
Doc
"Greg Wolf" <KEEPYOURgrey...@snotmail.com> wrote in message
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> In article <Od%_6.3665$UT1.1...@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,
> jfm...@mediaone.two.three.four.net says...
>
> > Another thing, while it's on my mind; those of you who have life
insurance
> > ( I don't ) - have a look at the fine print. And see under what sort of
> > circumstances they won't pay off. Assume that the company will try to
weasel
> > out of anything that comes even close to those circumstances. Uh huh -
that
> > really covers quite a lot, doesn't it.....
>
> Generally, a life insurance payout is automatic except in two cases:
> 1. if the insured commits suicide within two years of paying the first
> premium
> 2. if the beneficiary is convicted of manslaughter or murder of the
> insured, or if there is a strong suspicion of same, backed by some
> evidence
Well, yes and no. From the Commonwealth Of Massachusetts insurance consumer
protection agency site....
"the company can refuse to pay if the cause of death is suicide, or if you
have made a material misrepresentation in the application. A "material
misrepresentation" happens if you do not tell the truth about a situation or
medical condition which would have caused the company to deny you insurance
if they had known the truth."
That is, if you engage in some hazardous occupation (such as surfing
Mavericks or whatever they want to call hazardous, commercial fishing is
one ) or hobby or sport they won't write you a policy for anything
affordable. If you state it in a way they can weasel around, and they get a
chance to weasel out of it, they will.
Bear in mind also that they have a large number of lawyers on staff, on
retainer and warming up in the bullpen who are quite happy to go to court to
take on your heirs.
Put it another way: these companies are not public services, they are
bookies with an edge. They figure out what the chances are of having to pay
off over the lifetime of the policy, then calculate the fee. Then multiply
that by quite a bit and that's what you pay.
>
> Health insurance and property/casualty insurance is another matter.
> Those folks are weasels to the core.
>
> Example: after 14 months, the insurer is still fighting paying some of
> my medical expenses from a vehicle accident. The reason: they don't see
> how I could have gotten a head injury in the wreck. Hmmmmm..... sitting
> next to the window, van gets hit on that side by three different
> vehicles while sliding sideways across the freeway - head dribbled like
> basketball off the window; nope, not even with those bruises and a
> positive MRI.
> </rant>
Uh huh...and if you collect more than fifty three cents, expect to pay that
back to the insurance co. many times over. You've become a 'higher risk' and
so they jack up the premiums. It's their ball game.
>
> BTW, that paragraph probably explains a lot to some of y'all.
Well, only up to a point. Thing is, that's just _your_ excuse. What about
everybody else's??
Doc........
Foon
>Ben Marcus thinks he's
>the Sandman. Though it's more like he's a cheap imitation.
I thought that was Lemkin?
-Foon (There are no imitations cheap enough!!)
Gioni Pasquinelli
>I've been thinking about this. Both Jay and his wife were in their early 20's.
> How many people that age think about insurance? And if he did think about
>it, could he even get it since he was such a high profile big wave surfer?
>
>From what I read, his wife works at O'Neils..can't imagine it's a big salary
>job.
>
>ggcarroll
Also, the rescue crew and arranging to have the remains sent back to
the States can be quite a lot of money.
Jay and his wife Kim were 23 or so and yes she worked in the O'Neill's
shop.
I got word from a friend of the family's that:
> the funds are going to Kim and Jay's family to
> offset expenses for the
> funeral and the like.
http://scsurfers.com
http://www.pacificwaveriders.com/gioni