Surfboards at Costco, redux
Neal Miyake
time "The Realm" boards that are made in China. Cost $239.99 plux tax in
Hawaii.
http://www.transworldsurf.com/article/surfbiz.cfm?alias_id=11038
sponge
(P.S. Original Costco surfboard announcement:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=105725a0.59
aec156%40usw-ex0102-016.remarq.com)
westoz
critical of these boards when so many of their products are produced in
third world country's, hmm reeks of hypocrisy don't you think?
And then the truth slips out:
"The silver lining," says Callaway, "is that we'll get a number of new
people that wouldn't have been surfers this year
Tom.
Neal Miyake
interesting reading. Came from some good dialog on the Transworldsurf
bulletin board (a better community of surfers than other places).
I agree that it is hypocritical. The industry wants to go big time, but at
the same time wants to maintain its soul. In fact, one ad line from another
company went like this, "If you surf, don't stop; if you don't surf, don't
start."
sponge
> people that wouldn't have been surfers this year.
Lemons!
customer base but at the same time portray the appearance of maintaining
it's "soul". There is no hypocracy in that. Only consumer deception.
The surf industry has no soul whatsoever.
"Neal Miyake" <spo...@iav.com> wrote
Bud
> The surf industry has no soul whatsoever.
1) Is a manufacturer of a quality surf product automatically
doomed to be "soul-less" if it is successful (sells product and
makes $$)?
2) Please name any successful surf companies with "soul" and
explain why they are/were soulful.
Please answer in the form of an essay. Your responses will be
graded according to my mood and how much beer I've consumed.
Bud
Foon
>
>1) Is a manufacturer of a quality surf product automatically
>doomed to be "soul-less" if it is successful (sells product and
>makes $$)?
>
>2) Please name any successful surf companies with "soul" and
>explain why they are/were soulful.
>
>Please answer in the form of an essay. Your responses will be
>graded according to my mood and how much beer I've consumed.
Good one Bud. That's pretty much the way I did it when I taught HS.
Can't wait to see his answer. Can't wait to see your grade :)
-Soulfoon (Best beach umbrella I ever owned was a Costco sale item; $12.00!!)
Lemons!
> 1) Is a manufacturer of a quality surf product automatically
> doomed to be "soul-less" if it is successful (sells product and
> makes $$)?
>
> 2) Please name any successful surf companies with "soul" and
> explain why they are/were soulful.
>
> Please answer in the form of an essay. Your responses will be
> graded according to my mood and how much beer I've consumed.
You must be starting early today...
Like I said, "the surf industry has no soul whatsoever". For some of the
above reasons you've mentioned. Now then, if you weren't so hyper
sensitive to attacks upon the surf industry, you would of read my post
in the correct context.
My post was in response to Neal stating "I agree that it is hypocritical.
The industry wants to go big time, but at the same time wants to maintain
its soul."
As if the surf industry *does* have soul. Therefor you need to take this up
with Neal. But I'm sure you won't.
Lemons!
> Good one Bud. That's pretty much the way I did it when I taught HS.
What? Show your lack of reading comprehension and lash out in anger
over the pushing of your personal hot buttons? I can see why you got
fired from public education and ended up working for the US gov now...
Foon
>What? Show your lack of reading comprehension and lash out in anger
>over the pushing of your personal hot buttons? I can see why you got
>fired from public education and ended up working for the US gov now...
Midol time sparky. You are working angst button too hard. Cool off, catch a wave
and don't take stuff here so serious. btw, you need a bath, sniff sniff.
-Fester Ingboil
Jvirata
of shaping machines that the "Major" manufacturers use? Then if so, what's the
big deal? We all talk about the surf biz having all this soul, but tell me
where the majority of their clothing (which makes the big bucks, not the
surboards) backpacks and other miscellaneous crap is made, and you'll see there
isn't much difference between a surfboard sold at Costco and a overpriced
t-shirt sold at your local surf shop.
n8
I used them.
Note: they were "OP" shorts - Made in Hong Kong, Size 33 (too big)
--
--n8
http://www.nacoma.cc/n8
"Neal Miyake" <spo...@iav.com> wrote in message
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Bud
>
> "Bud" <b...@wavelust.com> wrote
> > 1) Is a manufacturer of a quality surf product automatically
> > doomed to be "soul-less" if it is successful (sells product and
> > makes $$)?
> >
> > 2) Please name any successful surf companies with "soul" and
> > explain why they are/were soulful.
> >
> > Please answer in the form of an essay. Your responses will be
> > graded according to my mood and how much beer I've consumed.
>
> You must be starting early today...
>
<grin> Beers consumed today = zero
> Like I said, "the surf industry has no soul whatsoever". For some of the
> above reasons you've mentioned. Now then, if you weren't so hyper
> sensitive to attacks upon the surf industry, you would of read my post
> in the correct context.
Hyper sensitive to attacks on the surf industy? lol, jeez louise
I am/was just curious of your opinion. Seriously, do you consider
the manufacturer of your wetsuits to be "soul-less"?
>
> My post was in response to Neal stating "I agree that it is hypocritical.
> The industry wants to go big time, but at the same time wants to maintain
> its soul."
>
> As if the surf industry *does* have soul. Therefor you need to take this up
> with Neal. But I'm sure you won't.
Oh yeah we will. As industry hacks, we have daily round table
meetings over evry post to AS.
Good surfing to you,
Bud
rodNDtube
The surf industry has no soul? http://www.nxnwsurf.com/ has no soul?
Is this an attempt at a soul mission statement:
http://nxnwsurf.com/teamnxnw/nxnw.htm
Do Bud's broken boards have souls?
Rod Rodgers
eMail: rrod...@bcpl.net
Homepage: http://www.rodNDtube.com/
GuidoPalooza: http://www.rodndtube.com/gp/guidopalooza.html
Sequoia
Click on the 'No More Surftech' thread for a well known local shaper's take on it. He's dropped FCS because of it.
http://www.harboursurfshop.com/surftalk.html
Seq
superfly®
> Hyper sensitive to attacks on the surf industy? lol, jeez louise
> I am/was just curious of your opinion. Seriously, do you consider
> the manufacturer of your wetsuits to be "soul-less"?
Pretty much. Most corporations will exploit the resources
of those less fortunate to make a buck off of whoever. There
are a few exceptions but one only need to listen to the news
for 10 minutes to understand how much "soul" corporations
have these days. But that would require some critical thought
on your part and it may even convict someone in the surfing
industry. Do you think you are up for it?
> Oh yeah we will. As industry hacks, we have daily round table
> meetings over evry post to AS.
When you two get done toking each other's joint have a go at
this one...
superfly®
everything 5-6 times before it sinks into their thick fuggin skull...
"the surf industry has no soul". You can bring up whomever's
web site but it won't change my statement. Some people are
capable of making a stand for an ideal even though their friends
and associates may not share that ideal. This is called "character".
Something you may want to investigate someday...
"rodNDtube" <rrod...@bcpl.net> wrote
> The surf industry has no soul? http://www.nxnwsurf.com/ has no soul?
> Is this an attempt at a soul mission statement:
> http://nxnwsurf.com/teamnxnw/nxnw.htm
Of course it's relative. Even McDonalds started off as a sole proprietorship
and purchased fresh ground beef from a local farm and peeled their potatoes
by hand every morning. But that is a loooooooooooong fuckin way form the
comtemporary souless corporation that promotoes burning of forestland to
farm more beef, buys their beef from packing corps that shovel shit, rats
and disease into one big grinder that turnsd out endless homogenous beef
patties that setup overnight ghettos in midwestern town because they refuse
to pay a decent wage, that kills our nations children with e coli because
they
fight legistlation at every turn to regulate the industry...
Don't you guys read anything except alt.surfing and corporate doublespeak?
Neal Miyake
Points well taken.
One of the key points of "soul" in the surf industry was that every
surfboard was a handcrafted work of art. In fact (gentle chuckle), there
used to be a lot of flack given to bodyboarders because they were
manufactured as "popouts." Seems like surfboards are heading this way--it
was inevitable.
Don't get me wrong, I'm big on technology. I think board shaping machines
are great tools, and the precut blanks simplify (and possibly cheapen) board
manufacturing costs. I love CAD/CAM and computer modeling.
However, nothing beats talking to your shaper and working out what fits for
you. I love talking story with Ben Aipa and figuring out a board that will
match my riding style (or lack thereof). (I actually have had all my
bodyboards designed to my personal specs also).
Now, manufacture and labor in foreign country is a whole 'nother issue, but
again, was an inevitability in this global economy. Sad. Probably
unfortunate. But inevitable.
sponge
Tim Maddux
> The surf industry has no soul whatsoever.
I agree with Lemons!
--
don't email me
westoz
> Now, manufacture and labor in foreign country is a whole 'nother issue,
but
> again, was an inevitability in this global economy. Sad. Probably
> unfortunate. But inevitable.
>
> sponge
>
construction, multiple labels and will built to a price. Has certainly had
an impact on the sailboard world, I wouldn't be surprised if they start
pumping out surf boards.
But like you said inevitable.
Tom.
Doc on the road
running a surf shop for a while....
"Neal Miyake" <spo...@iav.com> wrote in message
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I'm pretty much in agreement.
Locally, the 'sports' shop has 'Surfboards Australia'. This, originally a
Gordon and Smith off-brand name made in the US, has apparently morphed into
a 'Made in China of US materials' brand. What those materials consist of is
anybody's guess: preshaped blanks sent to be glassed at best, god only knows
what at worst. Pretty much like the Ron Jons of a couple years ago.
However, as these boards are selling for a price right around what I would
have to pay for materials alone, and when you figure that these things have
gone across the pacific twice with all the associated shipping costs, there
is a question kinda popping up here....where is the ripoff? Is it in the
boards of questionable quality and Chinese manufacture being sold by the
more volume oriented, in it for a buck outlets? Or is it the volume produced
things of questionable quality being sold by the larger US manufacturers for
far more money to surf shops who really can't make any money on 'em and just
carry surfboards to show the flag as it were?
As a paralell issue, I was made aware the other day of one of the larger
running shoe makers rather cute trick: one, just one athlete is paid more
for endorsing the things than their entire Malaysian workforce who makes the
shoes. Consider the surf pros who make a very nice dollar endorsing
XYZMegaSurf clothing and accessories and the poor bastards who make the crap
for just about nothing in many of the same countries said pros are paid to
surf in. Which is also where the big money in the surf biz is.
Now, as to how sad it is that boards are made offshore...I'll kinda call
bullshit on that one. All this crap about soul shapers and the like is
simple - it lets them charge more for their so-so boards and get it, from
the big names to the clowns in garages who have no vague semblance of
quality control and pass of their screwups as 'soul' or some such nonsense.
They simply do lousy work. And indeed they have been pumping out cheap junk
that breaks easy or delaminates fast for years so that they can sell more
overpriced junk to the same suckers. And they get away with it. The rare
times when they actually stumble across a real innovation are ignored as
often as not.
Face it - the average Joe Surfer really should be on a mass produced
surfboard. He doesn't have the real ability to use any of the whoopie-do
whizbang nonsense nor is it going to help him surf better. Anecdotally, the
Bics I was renting last spring....a lot of the guys whose boards were
delayed in transit and had to use the rentals would take me aside so nobody
else would know about it and tell me 'You know, these things ain't all that
bad"..... but the industry has hyped custom (yeah, right ) boards to the
point where anything else is considered kook material. Well...it ain't so.
And on that note..... I gotta go peddle overpriced crap to the masses.....
Doc....
>
>
johnh
wrote:
>"the surf industry has no soul".
This is so obvious, I must agree. The primary and often only goal of
any business is to make money, and making money is soulless.
But who really cares? (You guys obviously)
The way you rant about it, one would think that that you caught the
"surf industry" sleeping with your wife behind your back.
I live in SoCal, which according to some, is the self-proclaimed surf
industry capital of the world, and I surf as often as possible. I
can't for the life of me think of any way in which the surf industry
affects my life. Not one! I've heard folks argue that the surf
industry draws people to the sport, thus increasing crowds in limited
wave conditions. Although I can't prove it, I just don't see this
happening. I think the surf industry may cause people to dream about
being surfers, but it ends there. In the three short years I have
been surfing, I have talked to at least 50 people who have expressed
an earnest interest in learning to surf (not counting those who are
just running off at the mouth), and not one of them actually has.
As soon as they find out that surfing is not about the glamour of
hanging at the beach with super beautiful people idolizing them on
warm summer days, they give up. The reality of paddling out into cold
water at the break of dawn in February, with not a soul on the beach,
is not what they had envisioned.
I grew up here, but did not start surfing until I was 36. The surf
industry can take at least partial credit for keeping me OUT of the
lineup in my youth. The advertising and marketing from them certainly
turned me off to the sport, at least until I was mature enough to
realize that surfing was nothing like what the marketeers wanted me to
think about it.
Soooo... for those ranting against it, please explain how the surf
industry has negatively affected your life.
Best of Rides,
johnh
angela
> There ain't much difference between a surfboard sold at Costco and > a[SIC] overpriced t-shirt sold at your local surf shop.
What a knockout punch, jvi...@aol.com. Except Costco's unconditional,
nonparallel, return policy on any item purchase at COSTCO. If your
not 100% pleased, will refund your money. Period end of report!
Try that at your *local surf shop*. Secondly, whatever happened
to the angry young models from Hawaii in Downing v Abercombie
and Fitch. Is someone's trying to redefine the phrase "Small
Potatos".
somewhere ove the rainbow
Neal Miyake
> > Now, manufacture and labor in foreign country is a whole 'nother issue,
> but
> > again, was an inevitability in this global economy. Sad. Probably
> > unfortunate. But inevitable.
> Have you heard of the Cobra factory in Thailand Neal ? Foam sandwich
epoxy
> construction, multiple labels and will built to a price. Has certainly
had
> an impact on the sailboard world, I wouldn't be surprised if they start
> pumping out surf boards.
> But like you said inevitable.
Think I may have read about it in a link on a surfing bulletin board.
sponge
Bud
>
> "Bud" <b...@wavelust.com> wrote
> > Hyper sensitive to attacks on the surf industy? lol, jeez louise
> > I am/was just curious of your opinion. Seriously, do you consider
> > the manufacturer of your wetsuits to be "soul-less"?
>
> Pretty much. Most corporations will exploit the resources
> of those less fortunate to make a buck off of whoever. There
> are a few exceptions but one only need to listen to the news
> for 10 minutes to understand how much "soul" corporations
> have these days. But that would require some critical thought
> on your part and it may even convict someone in the surfing
> industry. Do you think you are up for it?
>
Nah, you've got the critical thinking and convictions covered
pretty well. I'll just sit back with my blinders on and continue
living in the ignorance is bliss mode. Carry on.
The Supreme Court
>2) Please name any successful surf companies with "soul" and
>explain why they are/were soulful.
I'm not sure but I think my Elasto has soul. Not sure about Rip Curl the
corporation but the Elasto, yeah. But indivudual companies were not this issue
- the surf "industy" was - although prompted by the Quiksilver press release.
As a whole, I agree with Superfly - "the surf industry has no soul." Industy
being the operative word.
__________________________________________________________________
Tonight I will rage against the forces of fate
You best get outta my way
I'm not gonna fade away slowly
-- Pennywise, Searching
The Supreme Court
>The surf industry has no soul? http://www.nxnwsurf.com/ has no soul?
Dammit! When did NXNWSURF become the surf industry? Where was the memo? Who is
responsible for this appointment? Should I take up my issues with them?
I have done some research and found the following:
http://www.goodfellas.com is now the Pizza industry!
http://www.maplehillfuneralhome.com/ is now the funeral home industry!
http://www.pinehouse.co.uk/ is now the furniture industry!
So I guess it is appropriate that one surf shop is now the surf industry! The
surf industry does have soul after all!
superfly®
part of life plopped down in front of the TV you start to recite corporate
propaganda by heart. It just spews from your lips.
Rod your brain has been turned to mush.
"The Supreme Court" <distan...@aol.com> wrote
Foon
>johnh wrote:
>> Soooo... for those ranting against it, please explain how the surf
>> industry has negatively affected your life.
1.Due to their ads, I can only bring myself to buy Reef flip flops.
I have 600 pairs. ;)
2. With all the cool surfwear out there I now feel guilty when I wear my
J.C.Penny boardshorts and Gecko tank Ts.
3. Besides Bud and Neal's great sesh reports, I now have to make time to read
Neal's surfbiz releases.
4. With all the stuff I've bought I feel I have personally paid for Jack
O'Neill's cliffside house on the East side of SC.
-Foonsucker (surfbiz victim)
FleK
"superfly®" <superfly@the_pad.com> wrote in message
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> Of course it's relative. Even McDonalds started off as a sole
proprietorship
> and purchased fresh ground beef from a local farm and peeled their
potatoes
> by hand every morning. But that is a loooooooooooong fuckin way form the
> comtemporary souless corporation that promotoes burning of forestland to
> farm more beef,
..as opposed to government workers that keep burning forest land *near
homes* for personal gain??? Also, what w/ the forestland? There are more
acres of forest in the US now than there was when Columbus landed.
(according to dept. of forest #'s)
> buys their beef from packing corps that shovel shit, rats
> and disease into one big grinder that turnsd out endless homogenous beef
while meat packing is indeed gross. I would be suprised to find out if
anypart of that last statement is true...okay, maybe rats. They do,
however, have to conform to pretty strict guidelines anyway. Moreover, the
food at McDonalds isn't my choice for fuel, but it's cheap and won't make
you (seriously) ill.
> patties that setup overnight ghettos in midwestern town because they
refuse
> to pay a decent wage,
Again, they adhere to federal laws. If you have a problem, change those.
Nobody's *forced* into that labor. If they set up 'overnight ghettos', then
*somebody* must be moving there for the jobs.
> that kills our nations children with e coli because
> they
> fight legistlation at every turn to regulate the industry...
Current e coli legislated acceptable levels are way below what the body can
handle. And don't be confused about certain reports you've heard, all e
coli isn't that stuff that makes your insides jump (and fall) out. MOF, the
wife works w/ e coli all day in her cell splitting duties, but "it isn't the
kind that makes you sick". B
Besides, nobody has to eat or work there, you're forgetting to factor that
into your equations.
Same thing w/ the surf industry. I could care less if the industry has
'soul'. Just sell me the best surfboard at the best price, and offer the
best service. If there's a market for 'soul' in the industry, the people
will vote with their dollars and it will happen.
Now, I know there are people in this thread that want to bitch about the
lack of 'soul' in surfing that have bought surf products from the internet.
Nothing against that per se, but you can't have it both ways! Either accept
that these folks are out to provide an effiecient service for cash
(regardless of 'soul') or go make your own board.
>
> Don't you guys read anything except alt.surfing and corporate doublespeak?
>
Corporations own doublespeak?
"...from Soloman Barney Frank..." Cal Rep. Barbara Boxer (D) trying to say
"Soloman Smith Barney".
So yeah, I'm a capitalist. I admit it, I hope this world gets washed over
by capitalism of epidemic proportions. I hope free trade and capitalism run
rampant over every corner of this earth. The desire to do business and gain
wealth is the only true path to world peace. (the old, "no two countries w/
mcdonalds' have ever had a war" argument).
_Fl3K
FleK
> "Bud" <b...@wavelust.com> wrote
> > Hyper sensitive to attacks on the surf industy? lol, jeez louise
> > I am/was just curious of your opinion. Seriously, do you consider
> > the manufacturer of your wetsuits to be "soul-less"?
>
> Pretty much. Most corporations will exploit the resources
> of those less fortunate to make a buck off of whoever. There
> are a few exceptions but one only need to listen to the news
> for 10 minutes to understand how much "soul" corporations
you're talking about character and morals, not soul, dawg.
_FleK (I'm pretty sure I just said a dirty word or two)
superfly®
> ..as opposed to government workers that keep burning forest land *near
> homes* for personal gain??? Also, what w/ the forestland? There are more
> acres of forest in the US now than there was when Columbus landed.
> (according to dept. of forest #'s)
Oh the department of deforestation? You're getting the numbers from
the fox that's watching the henhouse. Besides I'm talking about foreign
forest mainly.
> while meat packing is indeed gross. I would be suprised to find out if
> anypart of that last statement is true...okay, maybe rats. They do,
> however, have to conform to pretty strict guidelines anyway. Moreover,
the
> food at McDonalds isn't my choice for fuel, but it's cheap and won't make
> you (seriously) ill.
It's common knowledge in the industry. A number of books have been written
about it. Upton Sinclaire's "the Jungle" and more recently try
"Fast Food Nation". Learning to read serious journalism with big words
and non-corp sanctioned ideas is worthwhile. You should try it?
> Again, they adhere to federal laws. If you have a problem, change those.
> Nobody's *forced* into that labor. If they set up 'overnight ghettos',
then
> *somebody* must be moving there for the jobs.
Talk to the neihgbor who's sleepy little quite neighborhood has turned
into a ghetto overnight.
> Current e coli legislated acceptable levels are way below what the body
can
> handle. And don't be confused about certain reports you've heard, all e
> coli isn't that stuff that makes your insides jump (and fall) out. MOF,
the
> wife works w/ e coli all day in her cell splitting duties, but "it isn't
the
> kind that makes you sick". B
There are many diff brands of e coli. Some kill and they wind up in the
nation's meat supply.
> Besides, nobody has to eat or work there, you're forgetting to factor that
> into your equations.
I don't but there are ppl less fortunate than you or I.
> Same thing w/ the surf industry. I could care less if the industry has
> 'soul'. Just sell me the best surfboard at the best price, and offer the
> best service. If there's a market for 'soul' in the industry, the people
> will vote with their dollars and it will happen.
Agreed. People are getting pretty much what they want. Garbage.
> So yeah, I'm a capitalist. I admit it, I hope this world gets washed over
> by capitalism of epidemic proportions. I hope free trade and capitalism
run
> rampant over every corner of this earth. The desire to do business and
gain
> wealth is the only true path to world peace. (the old, "no two countries
w/
> mcdonalds' have ever had a war" argument).
Bahahhaa. It's funny all of a sudden the whole world wants to jump on board
the capitalists bandwagon and this bandwagon has just as many cracks as the
others. You can only sell snake oil so long until the bottom rung realizes
that they
will never see daylight. In order for the rich to stay way on top you need a
shit
load of bottom feaders.
superfly®
But when someone try's to instill soul into a corporation
it has to be called out. Besides it makes good AS material.
I've been able to interject "brains turning to mush", "toking each
others joint" and "spec of sand in a mountain of shit" into these
threads. Plus I got a few more in store...
"johnh" <jherm...@yahoo.com> wrote
FleK
"superfly®" <superfly@the_ghetto.com> wrote in message
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>
> It's common knowledge in the industry. A number of books have been written
> about it. Upton Sinclaire's "the Jungle" and more recently try
> "Fast Food Nation". Learning to read serious journalism with big words
> and non-corp sanctioned ideas is worthwhile. You should try it?
I read 4 the WSJ, WND, MEMRI, Nando Times, Washington Post and the Orlando
Sentinnel before you get wake up, and that's still if I weren't in a
different timezone. That doesn't include chit-chats wild old friends, that
would make the hair stand up on any 'serious journalists' skinny little
neck.
>
> Talk to the neihgbor who's sleepy little quite neighborhood has turned
> into a ghetto overnight.
You said working...I assume they kidnapped your neighbor and forced her to
work in the shit-shoveling-into-the-burger-mix plant...I'll get my 10mm,
let's go rescue her!
>
> There are many diff brands of e coli. Some kill and they wind up in the
> nation's meat supply.
Yeah, lotsa gross stuff ends up in our food, so what? I was under the
assumption that you were the 'outdoorsy type'. I believe our food it *too*
sterile, but I digress.
> I don't but there are ppl less fortunate than you or I.
While there are people who have bad luck, there is no such thing as someone
who is chronically 'unfortunate'. Anybody can go to college, the poorer,
the better. You just have to want it. I'm probably the most blue-collar
bloke in here, I went into the military to help pay for college, it can be
done. You are only limited by your desire to work. So please, spare us the
bullshit about how poor people are trapped, thousands of immigrants come
here every year to bust their asses, because they know what we are blase'
about: that you can work your way into and out of any situation that
exists.
> > Same thing w/ the surf industry. I could care less if the industry has
> > 'soul'. Just sell me the best surfboard at the best price, and offer
the
> > best service. If there's a market for 'soul' in the industry, the
people
> > will vote with their dollars and it will happen.
>
> Agreed. People are getting pretty much what they want. Garbage.
>
That's fine, but as long as I can get a quality piece, I could care less.
Someone who buys their board at costco will either stop surfing within a few
months or realize what a POS it is and trade up. It's not yours or my place
to dictate who can and cannot sell boards.
> > So yeah, I'm a capitalist. I admit it, I hope this world gets washed
over
> > by capitalism of epidemic proportions. I hope free trade and capitalism
> run
> > rampant over every corner of this earth. The desire to do business and
> gain
> > wealth is the only true path to world peace. (the old, "no two
countries
> w/
> > mcdonalds' have ever had a war" argument).
>
> Bahahhaa. It's funny all of a sudden the whole world wants to jump on
board
> the capitalists bandwagon and this bandwagon has just as many cracks as
the
I don't know what you're trying to say here, but I've been on the capitalist
'bandwagon' since I lived abroad. You don't *have* oppertunities overseas
like you do here, you have to already have it, or be a part of an elite
ruling class (even in Mexico). Financial freedom is a basic human right,
and we have the best show in town right under our noses. I'll tell you
something else, those 'slaves' shoveling in meat packing "ghettos" have more
dignity than either of us being on the "state surf teams".
> others. You can only sell snake oil so long until the bottom rung realizes
> that they
> will never see daylight. In order for the rich to stay way on top you need
a
> shit
> load of bottom feaders.
True, but the bottom feeders are only bottom feeders because they want to
be. Some day I'll introduce you to a friend of mine from India, Gyan. He
came here in '82. He worked at an ACE hardware store, and paid the owner to
setup a cot and sleep in the back. He saved his money for nearly twenty
years, meanwhile working two jobs, and being promoted to management. He
owns that store now...the American dream happens so often that it's a
cliche'. My father in law is also from India. He came here on
scholarship...this guy is old school from India, rode to school on en
elephant and shit. Anyway, he's the director of DHEC, and is about to
retire w/ a full pension to a cushy consulting job.
If you're a bottom feeder, it's because you'd rather bottom feed than work
at not...
_FleK
FleK
"Dave Blake" <dbl...@popper.ucsf.edu> wrote in message
news:agfelc$22...@itssrv1.ucsf.edu...
> FleK <flek...@nocfl.rr.comspam> wrote:
>
> > ..as opposed to government workers that keep burning forest land *near
> > homes* for personal gain??? Also, what w/ the forestland? There are
more
> > acres of forest in the US now than there was when Columbus landed.
> > (according to dept. of forest #'s)
>
> Reference ??
>
> http://fia.fs.fed.us/library/ForestFactsMetric.pdf
>
> The numbers from the Forestry Service indicate a decrease
> in forests in the US in the west and south, and a moderate
> recovery in the northeast after a minimum in 1920 or so. (see page 3)
> But all three areas are less than the 1850s.
>
> Here is a relevant quote from that document from the Forestry Service
> ------------------
> It is estimated that at the beginning of European settlement in 1630
> the area of forest land that would become the United States was 423
> million hectares or about 46 percent of the total land area. By 1907,
> the area of forest land had declined to an estimated 307 million
> hectares or 34 percent of the total land area. Forest area has been
> relatively stable since 1907. In 1997, 302 million hectares or 33
> percent of the total land area of the United States was in forest land.
> Today's forest land area amounts to about 70 percent of the area that
> was forested in 1630. Since 1630, about 120 million hectares of forest
> land have been converted to other uses mainly agricultural. More than 75
> percent of the net conversion to other uses occurred in the 19th
> century.
> -----------------
>
> Perhaps you were confusing a quote from Rush Limbaugh with an actual
> document from the Forestry Service ?
>
> Rush Limbaugh, "Do you know we have more acreage of forest land in the
> United States today than we did at the time the constitution was
> written." (Radio show, 2/18/94)
>
> --
> Dave Blake
> dbl...@phy.ucsf.edu
>
FleK
"FleK" <flek...@NOcfl.rr.comSPAM> wrote in message
news:58IW8.194914$0g1.3...@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
>
> I read 4 the WSJ, WND, MEMRI, Nando Times, Washington Post and the Orlando
> Sentinnel before you get wake up, and that's still if I weren't in a
..I forgot Stratfor, Debka, Foriegnpolicy, and InterPol...from which I read
pertinnent selections.
Overall I spend about 3 hours reading daily news, about 4 days a week.
Mike Sullivan
Bud wrote:
> "Lemons!" wrote:
>
> > The surf industry has no soul whatsoever.
>
> 1) Is a manufacturer of a quality surf product automatically
> doomed to be "soul-less" if it is successful (sells product and
> makes $$)?
>
> 2) Please name any successful surf companies with "soul" and
> explain why they are/were soulful.
Alt.Surfing hit the top 1000 in the Standard and Poor index
which puts it up in the very top of successful newsgroups, largely
through the actions of our Aquisitions and Hostile Takeovers division,
Trophy Wives of AS Calendar sales, advertising on the hub,
and the intense marketing of Secret Spots.
If you were to define 'soul' as having a conscience and a propensity
toward thought and introspection whilst making money hand over
fist, AS qualifies in a twisted sordid sort of way. Certainly one could
charactarize our constant intramural flamage as a sort of conscience,
and our propensity to whine and bitch as a flavor of introspection...
Haven't figured the 'thought' part out yet, though, hopefully something
will come to me.
:^)
Mike
superfly®
> I read 4 the WSJ, WND, MEMRI, Nando Times, Washington Post and the Orlando
> Sentinnel before you get wake up, and that's still if I weren't in a
> different timezone. That doesn't include chit-chats wild old friends,
that
> would make the hair stand up on any 'serious journalists' skinny little
> neck.
Mostly corporate propaganda. When I'm up that earlyu, I'm usually surfing.
You should try it.
> You said working...I assume they kidnapped your neighbor and forced her to
> work in the shit-shoveling-into-the-burger-mix plant...I'll get my 10mm,
> let's go rescue her!
Listen again. When a large coporation decides to move into whatever little
burb thats suits their fancy and then they import hunderds or thousands of
low paid workers, the burb's way of life goes to hell. What don't you
understand
about that?
> Yeah, lotsa gross stuff ends up in our food, so what? I was under the
> assumption that you were the 'outdoorsy type'. I believe our food it
*too*
> sterile, but I digress.
I tend to stay away from eating cow shit, rats and insects. Our tastes in
food must differ.
> While there are people who have bad luck, there is no such thing as
someone
> who is chronically 'unfortunate'. Anybody can go to college, the poorer,
> the better. You just have to want it. I'm probably the most blue-collar
> bloke in here, I went into the military to help pay for college, it can be
> done. You are only limited by your desire to work. So please, spare us
the
> bullshit about how poor people are trapped, thousands of immigrants come
> here every year to bust their asses, because they know what we are blase'
> about: that you can work your way into and out of any situation that
> exists.
Only if you subscribe to that way fo thinking that work and making money
are thee most important facets of life and then you still might be
challenged.
You have to play by the rules. If you want to rise to the top you will have
to
step on the toes and backs and faces of your peers. Dog eat dog.
> That's fine, but as long as I can get a quality piece, I could care less.
> Someone who buys their board at costco will either stop surfing within a
few
> months or realize what a POS it is and trade up. It's not yours or my
place
> to dictate who can and cannot sell boards.
Really? You mean the surf industry isn't taking notes and planning their
future off of this thread?
> I don't know what you're trying to say here, but I've been on the
capitalist
> 'bandwagon' since I lived abroad. You don't *have* oppertunities overseas
> like you do here, you have to already have it, or be a part of an elite
> ruling class (even in Mexico). Financial freedom is a basic human right,
> and we have the best show in town right under our noses. I'll tell you
> something else, those 'slaves' shoveling in meat packing "ghettos" have
more
> dignity than either of us being on the "state surf teams".
Making money is not going to solve the worlds problems. It never has and
it never will. But if you'd like to say a prayer every night to a $100
dollar bill,
be my guest.
> True, but the bottom feeders are only bottom feeders because they want to
> be. Some day I'll introduce you to a friend of mine from India, Gyan. He
> came here in '82. He worked at an ACE hardware store, and paid the owner
to
> setup a cot and sleep in the back. He saved his money for nearly twenty
> years, meanwhile working two jobs, and being promoted to management. He
> owns that store now...
Sounds like an empty life to me...
> the American dream happens so often that it's a
> cliche'. My father in law is also from India. He came here on
> scholarship...this guy is old school from India, rode to school on en
> elephant and shit. Anyway, he's the director of DHEC, and is about to
> retire w/ a full pension to a cushy consulting job.
BFD. There's always exceptions to the rule. Sure there are good things that
come from free enterprise. I'm not denying that. I even engage in it myself.
But it's not the be all and end all of everything. And it's certainly not
the
path to world peace...
You're starting to sound like one of those pathetic skinny, pale skinned
liberals we hear so much about. "World Peace" <eye roll>
> If you're a bottom feeder, it's because you'd rather bottom feed than work
> at not...
Nope. Somebody *has* to shovel shit and the more the top dogs make, the
more shit shovelers they need. You can fall down the totem pole a lot easier
than you can climb it.
FleK
> "FleK" <flek...@NOcfl.rr.comSPAM> wrote
> > I read 4 the WSJ, WND, MEMRI, Nando Times, Washington Post and the
Orlando
> > Sentinnel before you get wake up, and that's still if I weren't in a
> > different timezone. That doesn't include chit-chats wild old friends,
> that
> > would make the hair stand up on any 'serious journalists' skinny little
> > neck.
>
> Mostly corporate propaganda.
Yeah, sorda like when you said my friends over at www.catalog.com were "a
house of cards"...btw, they just won a hosting award from cNet. You should
try it!
>When I'm up that earlyu, I'm usually surfing.
> You should try it.
You're not up that early. I'm up that early every morning, you should try
it!
>
> Listen again. When a large coporation decides to move into whatever little
> burb thats suits their fancy and then they import hunderds or thousands of
> low paid workers, the burb's way of life goes to hell. What don't you
> understand
> about that?
the issues was the workers. We were talking about the plight of those
'underpaid' workers, not your snooty friend that's too good for some
'underlings' to hang out in her town.
>
> > Yeah, lotsa gross stuff ends up in our food, so what? I was under the
> > assumption that you were the 'outdoorsy type'. I believe our food it
> *too*
> > sterile, but I digress.
>
> I tend to stay away from eating cow shit, rats and insects. Our tastes in
> food must differ.
You only think you do. There isn't much you can eat that can't be tested
pos. for fecal matter, insect appendages and all kinds of bacteria. You
should try it!
>
> Only if you subscribe to that way fo thinking that work and making money
> are thee most important facets of life and then you still might be
> challenged.
That's what we're talking about right? Making money? If you want
something, you have to devote serious time and effort to it, are you pissed
about that??? Duh. You must not surf very well if you tlhink things should
just be handed out to you w/o having to work hard at something...
> You have to play by the rules. If you want to rise to the top you will
have
> to
> step on the toes and backs and faces of your peers. Dog eat dog.
Consider the alternative...
>
> Really? You mean the surf industry isn't taking notes and planning their
> future off of this thread?
Does this mean your visions of grandeur have subsided??? Have your
'revolution of surf media' dreams been 'de-emphasized' in hopes of getting
in a zinger on Rod or Foon every now and then?
>
> Making money is not going to solve the worlds problems. It never has and
> it never will. But if you'd like to say a prayer every night to a $100
> dollar bill,
> be my guest.
Money won't sove everything, granted. But money does go a long way towards
security and health for you and yours. There are just as many poor assholes
as there are rich assholes...but at least rich assholes can buy their own
drinks.
> > True, but the bottom feeders are only bottom feeders because they want
to
> > be. Some day I'll introduce you to a friend of mine from India, Gyan.
He
> > came here in '82. He worked at an ACE hardware store, and paid the
owner
> to
> > setup a cot and sleep in the back. He saved his money for nearly twenty
> > years, meanwhile working two jobs, and being promoted to management. He
> > owns that store now...
>
> Sounds like an empty life to me...
To you, maybe. To him, it was his dream, and he could only live it here.
> > the American dream happens so often that it's a
> > cliche'. My father in law is also from India. He came here on
> > scholarship...this guy is old school from India, rode to school on en
> > elephant and shit. Anyway, he's the director of DHEC, and is about to
> > retire w/ a full pension to a cushy consulting job.
>
> BFD. There's always exceptions to the rule. Sure there are good things
that
> come from free enterprise. I'm not denying that. I even engage in it
myself.
> But it's not the be all and end all of everything. And it's certainly not
> the
> path to world peace...
You have an alternative that doesn't include flowery language? I didn't
think so.
> You're starting to sound like one of those pathetic skinny, pale skinned
> liberals we hear so much about. "World Peace" <eye roll>
World peace is a noble goal. As a poet/soldier once wrote: I love peace as
only a soldier can". You wouldn't know. You're short-sighted and
selfish...just the type that can think clearly about the situation! You're
too jaded for your own good, go get some sun. I was jaded once, but you
look around, and it's a year later, and you're still jaded...and believe me,
it turns the ladies on!!! /sarcasm
> > If you're a bottom feeder, it's because you'd rather bottom feed than
work
> > at not...
>
> Nope. Somebody *has* to shovel shit
Maybe, but if it's you, at some point you decided that that's all you wanted
to be, or worse yet, you made no decision at all. We live in a country
where poor people are fat, have cable tv and two automobiles...so forgive me
if I grin at the mention of the word 'poor'.
and the more the top dogs make, the
> more shit shovelers they need. You can fall down the totem pole a lot
easier
> than you can climb it.
that's true w/ anything. It's alot easier to fall than carve, to trip than
climb... G'head, your argument isn't w/ me, it's w/ the laws of physics and
nature. Top dogs make that kind of cash because there's a limit on that
particular resource (their ideas and work/trust ethic). That's why NFL
players make so much bling, there are only a handful of people that can do
their job.
Anybody can shovel shit, want to make bank? Get indispensable. You should
try it!
_FleK
FleK
keep digging, and I will too ;)
FleK
"In what are now the 50 U.S. states, there were 850 million acres of
: forest land in the late 1700s vs. 930 million acres today."
that's the earliers figure I can find.
BTW, what's your house made of?
_FleK >=]
"Dave Blake" <dbl...@popper.ucsf.edu> wrote in message
news:agfkrt$o...@itssrv1.ucsf.edu...
> FleK <flek...@nocfl.rr.comspam> wrote:
> > Columbus landed in 1492. Columbus did not land in 1850.
>
> Right. The Forestry Service (note - the actual Forestry Service,
> not the one you reference as "dept. of forest #'s") starts
> their survey at 1630, noted below. They use this time as the
> start of the European settlement, prolly b/c that settlement caused
> a lot of deforestation in the northeast.
>
> In any case, we are still missing your citation from the
> "dept. of forest #'s" that there is more forest here now
> than there was in 1492.
>
> Please supply a citation or concede that you were inventing lies
> to try to make a point.
>
> >> FleK <flek...@nocfl.rr.comspam> wrote:
> >> > ..as opposed to government workers that keep burning forest land
> >> > *near homes* for personal gain??? Also, what w/ the forestland?
> >> > There are more acres of forest in the US now than there was when
> >> > Columbus landed. (according to dept. of forest #'s)
> >>
> >> Reference ??
> >>
> >> http://fia.fs.fed.us/library/ForestFactsMetric.pdf
>
> --
> Dave Blake
> dbl...@phy.ucsf.edu
>
rodNDtube
> >From: rodNDtube rrod...@bcpl.net
>
> >The surf industry has no soul? http://www.nxnwsurf.com/ has no soul?
>
> Dammit! When did NXNWSURF become the surf industry? Where was the memo? Who is
> responsible for this appointment? Should I take up my issues with them?
>
> I have done some research and found the following:
>
> http://www.goodfellas.com is now the Pizza industry!
>
> http://www.maplehillfuneralhome.com/ is now the funeral home industry!
>
> http://www.pinehouse.co.uk/ is now the furniture industry!
>
> So I guess it is appropriate that one surf shop is now the surf industry! The
> surf industry does have soul after all!
It's as much part of the surf industry as COSTCO. There is no soul in
surfing, much less its industry. There is only soul in individuals. Hell
if any of us know what it is.
There is no SOUL in AS. Many of it perps are souless.
Many thanks to my fan club for their guiding words.
P.S. The memo is in your in-box ;)
Rod Rodgers
superfly®
> > Mostly corporate propaganda.
>
> Yeah, sorda like when you said my friends over at www.catalog.com were "a
> house of cards"...btw, they just won a hosting award from cNet. You should
> try it!
Haha. The flekfish were jumpin then!
OK lets assume for a minute that your reading list is valid and that you
actually
read and comprehend it...
Tell me, has there been any mention of corporate ethics in any of these
publications
for say the last 3 weeks? Has there been any mention of corp bigwigs hiding the
numbers so the stock continues to soar as they sell out and prevent the peons
from selling? Or did you gloss over that part?
Let me summarize it for you. This recent bout of "corporate ethics crisis" over
the
stock market and invalid valuation of companies amounted to a huge shell game
where
the ppl at the top reaped billions of dollars at the expense of Joe investor and
the corp employees. It's called fraud plain and simple.
I'm all for free enterprise but it's certainly not a panacea nor will it lift
everybody
up. Nor is your social status determined merely by your work ethic. There comes
a point called critical mass where a substantial amount of wealth can be used to
bully competitiors out of the market and strengthen your position in the market
at the expense of your employees, consumers and the communtity.
At this point it's not a matter of work ethic or even ethics.
> Does this mean your visions of grandeur have subsided??? Have your
> 'revolution of surf media' dreams been 'de-emphasized' in hopes of getting
> in a zinger on Rod or Foon every now and then?
Already revolutionized it! Having Rod and Foon for desert...
> You have an alternative that doesn't include flowery language? I didn't
> think so.
I love it when you talk about world peace. Whats next? Saving whales?
> World peace is a noble goal. As a poet/soldier once wrote: I love peace as
> only a soldier can". You wouldn't know. You're short-sighted and
> selfish...just the type that can think clearly about the situation! You're
> too jaded for your own good, go get some sun.
It's over 80 here. While you were reading more propaganda I hit the pool
for a mile and then the skate park. You should get out more!
> Anybody can shovel shit, want to make bank? Get indispensable. You should
> try it!
Flek. Remember I make more money than you do when I work.
The Supreme Court
>There is no SOUL in AS. Many of it perps are souless.
Rod, that strains logic so bad I wont even comment! Then again, draw yourself a
Venn Diagram.
>There is no soul in
>surfing
>There is no soul in
>surfing
I quoted that one twice for posterity!
>P.S. The memo is in your in-box ;)
Thanks!
rodNDtube
> This is called "character".
> Something you may want to investigate someday...
Like right on! I will follow your lead :)
Rod Rodgers
eMail: rrod...@bcpl.net
Homepage: http://www.rodNDtube.com/
GuidoPalooza: http://www.rodndtube.com/gp/guidopalooza.html
superfly®
> There is no SOUL in AS. Many of it perps are souless.
Rod. Your brain is mush. Seek help.
> Many thanks to my fan club for their guiding words.
Translation: My usenet support group helps me navigate
the complex world of alt.surfing. Somebody will stop by
to fix me dinner and give me a sponge bath later.
superfly®
just say so. You don't have to say it does just because I say it
doesn't... On second thought, continue being my little usenet sock
puppet. The ratings are good and we don't wanna fix somehting
that ain't broke.
Here's a little somethin to get you started again... enjoy!
"the sky is blue"
"rodNDtube" <rrod...@bcpl.net> wrote
superfly®
recently...
Houses are beginning to be made out of steel studs and composit
decking, siding and beams. Hardly ever see a shake roof anymore.
Why?
Because we have raped the forests...
"FleK" <flek...@NOcfl.rr.comSPAM> wrote
rodNDtube
> "the sky is blue"
How did you ever figure that one out... did you drop your sock for a
second and come out on a sunny day?
There is no soul in surfing; AS has no soul. It is that simple.
FleK
> "FleK" <flek...@NOcfl.rr.comSPAM> wrote
> > > Mostly corporate propaganda.
> >
> > Yeah, sorda like when you said my friends over at www.catalog.com were
"a
> > house of cards"...btw, they just won a hosting award from cNet. You
should
> > try it!
>
> Haha. The flekfish were jumpin then!
wow. That's the best you can do? I guess that's as close to a 'fess as I'm
going to get. It feels good.
>
> OK lets assume for a minute that your reading list is valid and that you
> actually
> read and comprehend it...
yeah, let's.
>
> Tell me, has there been any mention of corporate ethics in any of these
> publications
> for say the last 3 weeks?
Ugh, that's almost all any major publication has been about, duh. MSNBC:
top and center, something about 'corporate greed' Dead center of page,
Cbsnews.com "Cracking down on Corporate Crime"...Latest entry on the
National AP Wire: Bush Urges Jail for Corporate Criminals....
Did you have a point???
>Has there been any mention of corp bigwigs hiding the
> numbers so the stock continues to soar as they sell out and prevent the
peons
> from selling? Or did you gloss over that part?
That's all it's been about...and yeah, I glossed over it because I could
give a shit about biz news. To summerize: "irrational exuberance" went
further than just 'dot.investers'...corporate bigwigs took the money and
ran... NEWSFLASH: people do bad things, you make laws with the interest in
fairness and bust ass when they're broken... There's no debate there...
That doesn't mean that there's anything inherantly wrong w/ capitalism,
there's just something wrong with criminals...
> Let me summarize it for you. This recent bout of "corporate ethics crisis"
over
> the
> stock market and invalid valuation of companies amounted to a huge shell
game
> where
> the ppl at the top reaped billions of dollars at the expense of Joe
investor and
> the corp employees. It's called fraud plain and simple.
Yup, and this has ______ to do w/ what we were talking about. Are you
drinking?
>
> I'm all for free enterprise but it's certainly not a panacea nor will it
lift
> everybody
> up.
You're confusing crime with capitalism.
>Nor is your social status determined merely by your work ethic.
Could have fooled me...in *this* world, work ethic goes a long way in
determining social status.
> There comes
> a point called critical mass where a substantial amount of wealth can be
used to
> bully competitiors out of the market and strengthen your position in the
market
> at the expense of your employees, consumers and the communtity.
Again, you're confusing capitalism w/ crime...
> At this point it's not a matter of work ethic or even ethics.
>
> > Does this mean your visions of grandeur have subsided??? Have your
> > 'revolution of surf media' dreams been 'de-emphasized' in hopes of
getting
> > in a zinger on Rod or Foon every now and then?
>
> Already revolutionized it! Having Rod and Foon for desert...
>
...Sounded like Rod was having you for dessert.
> > You have an alternative that doesn't include flowery language? I didn't
> > think so.
>
> I love it when you talk about world peace. Whats next? Saving whales?
>
You've got me wrong fella. Who doesn't want peace? Hell, I'd love a utopia
w/ nekkid women serving fine wine but eventually there will be a gang of
assholes that will want to take everybody else's stuff. Such is human
nature. You are confused because I also believe that Peace isn't more
important than justice. Sometimes, peace is righteously interrupted, as we
saw in Afghanistan. War saves lives and misery when it's done right.
> > World peace is a noble goal. As a poet/soldier once wrote: I love
peace as
> > only a soldier can". You wouldn't know. You're short-sighted and
> > selfish...just the type that can think clearly about the situation!
You're
> > too jaded for your own good, go get some sun.
>
> It's over 80 here. While you were reading more propaganda I hit the pool
> for a mile and then the skate park. You should get out more!
Not only do I have a pool here as well, but it's 80 here in Jan/Feb.
Checkmate.
> Flek. Remember I make more money than you do when I work.
>
Sure, but you have nowhere *near* the stories, the past, or most
importantly, the future!.
FleK
*your* house, dingleberry.
SnorkyŽŠ
says...
> Rush Limbaugh, "Do you know we have more acreage of forest land in the
> United States today than we did at the time the constitution was
> written." (Radio show, 2/18/94)
Of course he's right. At the time the Constitution was written, the US
consisted of 13 states along the Atlantic seaboard.
The statement is true, but completely irrelevant.
--
Will B. Bacque
SnorkyŽŠ
flek...@NOcfl.rr.comSPAM says...
> Columbus landed in 1492. Columbus did not land in 1850.
For the next few years, we're going to have to live with Flek saying
that Blake thinks Columbus landed in 1850. Clueless is as Clueless does.
--
Will B. Bacque
Corbeau Freux
>"Lemons!" <lemons@the_tree.net> wrote in message news:<uijlqkt...@corp.supernews.com>...
>> The surf industry has no soul whatsoever.
>
>I agree with Lemons!
As much as I hate to admit it, me too. This is unbearably obvious
within a picosecond of opening any contemporary surfing magazine
(except for juuuust maybe TSJ and that's even a stretch).
C-F
SnorkyŽŠ
> Please supply a citation or concede that you were inventing lies
> to try to make a point.
And while he's at it, he can work on the mountain of lies invented to
make no point of consequence.
--
Will B. Bacque
SnorkyŽŠ
flek...@NOcfl.rr.comSPAM says...
> > OK lets assume for a minute that your reading list is valid and that you
> > actually
> > read and comprehend it...
>
> yeah, let's.
We'll have assume it. Looking at the reality, Flek has a difficult time
expressing a clear thought. If he actually understands what he reads, no
one else could tell. He garbles concepts - and the English language - to
the point where nothing that he regurgitates makes sense.
--
Will B. Bacque
noSURFatu
> Many many people per wave, big boards flying everywhere, people with
> no clear idea of wave priority (and I paddled around the buoy and
> everything).
DOOOOD! Yer the kook I paddled inside of!
Hahahahaha. Mine, I tell ya, all mine. Unless
you'd like me to jeet-kune-do yer ass on the beach.
Ahahahah!
Seriously, that was funny BWB.
I can empathise with you. During the summer
if there is a set wave, every punk-ass, balding
fat-fuck with a plastic fantastic (that he re-discovered
in the rafters of his garage after 20 years) is scratchin'
for it and eventually bailin' his board. I'm all for
sharin' but what goes around comes around.
Unfortunately, the deeper you go, the worse off you
are in summer situations; yer too busy pushin' people
back and tryin' to avoid a ding to really focus on
the wave. I can't wait for fall. In this town, cold
water separates the surfers from the wannabes.
FleK
"SnorkyŽŠ" <NOSPASMgreyw...@not-so-hotmail.communist> wrote in
message news:MPG.17953ceb5...@news.earthlink.net...
ugh, no.
I just have no desire to prove *anything* to you, because I coudn't care
less. Of course, I don't come out and say that...I say something witty
like: "I'll come forth when you either shit or get off the pot vis a vis
your lawsuit".
_FleK
westoz
snipo
> So yeah, I'm a capitalist. I admit it, I hope this world gets washed over
> by capitalism of epidemic proportions. I hope free trade and capitalism
run
> rampant over every corner of this earth. The desire to do business and
gain
> wealth is the only true path to world peace. (the old, "no two countries
w/
> mcdonalds' have ever had a war" argument).
>
>
Flek I read the above while listening to Eddie Vedder's redition of Bob
Dylans " masters of war" , most appropriate but at the same time spooky.
FWIW Flek free trade is a myth, just look in your own back yard.
Tom.
SnorkyŽŠ
flek...@NOcfl.rr.comSPAM says...
Oh my Gawd. Such wit. From the mouths of buffoons.....
Why should anyone believe that? You have committed several times to
answering questions (hard, embarrassing questions) - as soon as I do ...
And then I deliver, and you dodge the questions. It's a regular pattern.
But, I don't blame you - if I were as ignorant as you, and spouted off
on so many topics - I'd dodge the questions, too.
As for this supposed lawsuit: get it straight, fool. I never said
anything about a lawsuit. After a year and a half, you persist in saying
that I did, yet you never come up with any proof. It's an excellent
example of one of the lies from your mountain of lies.
Meanwhile, I have 3 1/2 GB of evidence on exactly what you said and
did....
--
Will B. Bacque
superfly®
> Yup, and this has ______ to do w/ what we were talking about. Are you
> drinking?
Yes, as a matter of fact. "old rasputin. russian imperial stout".
How fitting ;-)
> You're confusing crime with capitalism.
They go hand in hand. "The root of all evil is the love
of money"
> Could have fooled me...in *this* world, work ethic goes a long way in
> determining social status.
There are a thousand ways. You could be born into it for one.
> You've got me wrong fella. Who doesn't want peace? Hell, I'd love a
utopia
> w/ nekkid women serving fine wine but eventually there will be a gang of
> assholes that will want to take everybody else's stuff. Such is human
> nature
Exactly. World Peace won't materialize until human nature is changed.
And guess what? Capitalism doesn't change human nature. It just buys
drinks...
Bartender can you get flek an "old rasputin"?
> Sure, but you have nowhere *near* the stories, the past, or most
> importantly, the future!.
Well lets just start with a subset that we can validate... Do a google
search
for my surf stories and compare them against yours. I've got hundreds of
stories bro about many and varied disciplines.
The future is a bad bet. What I got is now.
Neal Miyake
> 3. Besides Bud and Neal's great sesh reports, I now have to make time to
read
> Neal's surfbiz releases...
Don't forget the contest press releases. They are bitchin'! ;-)
sponge
Andy
> FleK <flek...@nocfl.rr.comspam> wrote:
>
> > ..as opposed to government workers that keep burning forest land *near
> > homes* for personal gain??? Also, what w/ the forestland? There are
more
> > acres of forest in the US now than there was when Columbus landed.
> > (according to dept. of forest #'s)
>
> Reference ??
>
> http://fia.fs.fed.us/library/ForestFactsMetric.pdf
snip
> Rush Limbaugh, "Do you know we have more acreage of forest land in the
> United States today than we did at the time the constitution was
> written." (Radio show, 2/18/94)
>
> --
> Dave Blake
> dbl...@phy.ucsf.edu
Doh! smack...(the sound of Fleck's hand smacking head)
hello....?
Andy
Sequoia
> FleK <flek...@nocfl.rr.comspam> wrote:
> > Here we go, a report from F.A.I.R.:
> >
> > "In what are now the 50 U.S. states, there were 850 million acres of
> > : forest land in the late 1700s vs. 930 million acres today."
> >
> > that's the earliers figure I can find.
> >
> > BTW, what's your house made of?
>
>
> http://www.fair.org/press-releases/limbaugh-debates-reality.html
>
> I think you must have inadverdently misquoted F.A.I.R.
>
> The actual quote I see is "In what are now the 50 U.S. states, there
> were 850 million acres of forest land in the late 1700s vs. only 730
> million today (The Bum's Rush, p. 136). "
It wouldn't matter anyway. Revise the equation to include 'Old Growth' forest and the numbers will be radically different. There is
very little left. Some of the most awesome old growth strands are up by Gold Beach.
Seq
@lex
Flek put it this way:
> If there's a market for 'soul' in the industry, the people
> will vote with their dollars and it will happen.
wow! That's the best one I have ever read from you Flek!
Keep them flowing, I love them!!!
SOS
"Sell Our Soul"
@lex
@lex
superfly® was in verve:
> BFD. There's always exceptions to
> the rule. Sure there are good things that
> come from free enterprise. I'm not
> denying that. I even engage in it myself.
> But it's not the be all and end all of
> everything. And it's certainly not
> the path to world peace...
Amen... Thanks for clearly putting it into english Lem, you're not the only
one who thinks that here.
@lex
Foon
>Already revolutionized it! Having Rod and Foon for desert...
Hah!! Licking my pickle once a day hardly constitutes having me for dessert.
-Foonpickle (At least I can spell "dessert")
Foon
>Mind you, I am not taking a stance against Rush in general or you, but
>just a stance that one should not make up blatant lies to push their
>agenda.
That's unAmerican Blake. What do you think the Boston Tea party was about?
Taxes on Tea? HAH!
-Green Mountain Foon
Foon
uh.....whats the diff? ;^)
-Foon
FleK
news:uine7ip...@corp.supernews.com...
> importantly, the future!.
>
> Well lets just start with a subset that we can validate... Do a google
> search
> for my surf stories and compare them against yours. I've got hundreds of
> stories bro about many and varied disciplines.
you're a pseudo-writer, and sometimes good at it. Those who cannot do,
write. Or teach, how'd that go? Anyway, the fact that you've *written*
about surfing doesn't make it any more true than one of Carl Lenoard's
pill-popping rants.
>
> The future is a bad bet. What I got is now.
>
Well with that attitude it certainly is! You've got between 10 and 15 years
on me, of course you make more money now (although I'm sure I make wayyy
more money now than you did at my age). *That's* a good stat to go
on....and listen to you, you spend a whole thread railing against money,
then get into a pissing match over making more than me...kinda Blake-ish
don't ya think?
_FleK
FleK
"Andy" <ent...@nospam-ametro.com> wrote in message
news:agghk7$8p0$1...@news.datasync.com...
FleK
bad, it's fact.
Now aren't you supposed to be busy burning Synagogues?
_FleK
"@lex" <pors...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
news:agglu6$ln3mf$1...@ID-147123.news.dfncis.de...
FleK
"SnorkyŽŠ" <NOSPASMgreyw...@not-so-hotmail.communist> wrote in
message
> As for this supposed lawsuit: get it straight, fool. I never said
> anything about a lawsuit. After a year and a half, you persist in saying
> that I did, yet you never come up with any proof. It's an excellent
> example of one of the lies from your mountain of lies.
>
> Meanwhile, I have 3 1/2 GB of evidence on exactly what you said and
> did....
>
Either you're a nutjob or a nutjob, you can have it both ways!
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=flek+evidence+flek+OR+legal+group:alt.surf
ing+author:grey+author:wolf&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=MPG.1568f6d1234
96a7998973e%40news.earthlink.net&rnum=1
"What's important is that I have a life, and I have no interest in your
system - other than when I'm helping gather evidence against you."
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=flek+evidence+flek+OR+legal+group:alt.surf
ing+author:grey+author:wolf&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=MPG.156866f0d7e
8bf3598973c%40news.earthlink.net&rnum=2
"You should see the logs (and other evidence) that I sent them. In fact,
you probably will... in court."
That last one was over a year ago, do the wheels of justice turn that slowly
for you??? Having problems getting the respect you deserve when your med
records come up???
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=flek+evidence+flek+OR+legal+group:alt.surf
ing+author:grey+author:wolf&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=MPG.158ab8638eb
eee2d989823%40news.earthlink.net&rnum=3
"I need to stop talking now,(GOD, if only we could be so lucky...ed)
however. There *are* legal considerations."
*AND*
The guy stalked me, and several others in the A.S.
> > community. I have a restraining order ready to go if he relapses.
Okay, what say you? The term 'lawsuit' on usenet is as common and truthful
as the term "moderate arab state". Now please, have this warm bowl of 'shut
the fuck up', you'll feel better.
_FleK
FleK
>
> I think you must have inadverdently misquoted F.A.I.R.
could have, I can't find the link..the fact stands that neither of us can
*proove* thatthere was more forest land....
Okay, let's just assume we are "raping" the forests...what *today* are you
doing about it? Are you just bitching about it, or are you doing something
about it??? When I see something wrong w/ my local government, I go to town
meetings, city council meetings and petition my leaders. What are *you*
doing *today* about this scourge of a problem??? I mean, if it is, infact,
so very bad.
MMMMMMMMMM?
_FleK
superfly®
you quit and take your ball home. What will it be this time?
A terrorist attack? Someone making up words to a song?
You accidently throwing away your 6 month supply of prozac
weekly?
"Foon" <fo...@newsguy.com> wrote
superfly®
soul, then said that it doesn't, said that some ppl in AS don't have
a soul, and now say that surfing and AS don't have a soul.
Your brain is mush and it's slowly turning your spine into jelly.
See if you can rummage around in there amidst the mush and
find a few good neurons and put a coherent post together...
"rodNDtube" <rrod...@bcpl.net> wrote
> There is no soul in surfing; AS has no soul. It is that simple.
@lex
> not meant to be entertaining,
> frenchie, it's just fact, wether it's good or
> bad, it's fact.
Oh yeah it is a fact that you can sell soul if there is a market for that???
Please tell me you're just kidding, yank.
Please someone tell me he just *can't* be that ignorant about life and that
he is fooling around.
Suggestion for the next time you're bored, yank: have a look in the
dictionnary for the word "soul".
> Now aren't you supposed to be busy burning Synagogues?
What is this supposed to mean? The hell I don't know...
@lex
edmund
Dave Blake wrote:
> http://www.fair.org/press-releases/limbaugh-debates-reality.html
>
Classic website, I'm sure all the Dittoheads think the site is the work of the
"liberal media"
edmund
Foon
>When you pull out the spelling card it won't be long until
>you quit and take your ball home.
Tried that. The stalkers you sent found me and dragged me back :)
> What will it be this time? A terrorist attack?
Who needs that when we have you. Though I believe terrorists have more soul.
>Someone making up words to a song?
As an alternative to your daily spew, that would be refreshing.
You should hear DD sing Hawaiian love songs. Inspiring.
>You accidently throwing away your 6 month supply of prozac
>weekly?
I have arthritis not delusions of grandeur, unlike yourself.
Should I risk pointing out to the ng there's no denial of my pickle licking
charge in your response? hehehe, you've got better people than me to aggravate
Lemkin with a lot less scar tissue. @lex damn near lopped your dick off, all the
way from FRANCE!! Let's declare our monthly truce and find better things to
waste bandwidth on. Hey, how 'bout a surf report from the PNW? It's flat here in
Maryland so you can take up the slack. If I get to the shore this weekend I'll
supply you with a Longboard Challenge contest report. It'll be almost like a
real surfing newsgroup instead of the one you purportedly lead.
-Foon (contest ready, never been beaten)
Mama_Sus
OK ... this thread is marvahlous!! So much material. Here ya go,
Masterful Marketeer Mikey ... a thought ....
Why should we duplicate those cheesy cheesecake calendars out there
when we have the fuel (fodder) for something unique and exciting? We
need the first annual alt surfing walnut cracking butts in reef girl
pose calendar!! AND ... not just another buff boy thing ... we've got
real men with real butts ... AND we have *quotes* to go with each
pic!! (no, not rush and vedder quotes .... REAL freaky posted in the
month long thread quotes!) Each guy will have to pose at his fav break
, with his board of choice (this will make the body surfers ... stand
out ...) ... and ... we want those backsides pooched up, guys.
Start the production, Mikey. We will show the industry ... soul.
Sus
... expects the photoshop pros will get busy ...
> Alt.Surfing hit the top 1000 in the Standard and Poor index
> which puts it up in the very top of successful newsgroups, largely
> through the actions of our Aquisitions and Hostile Takeovers division,
> Trophy Wives of AS Calendar sales, advertising on the hub,
> and the intense marketing of Secret Spots.
>
> If you were to define 'soul' as having a conscience and a propensity
> toward thought and introspection whilst making money hand over
> fist, AS qualifies in a twisted sordid sort of way. Certainly one could
> charactarize our constant intramural flamage as a sort of conscience,
> and our propensity to whine and bitch as a flavor of introspection...
>
> Haven't figured the 'thought' part out yet, though, hopefully something
> will come to me.
Mike Sullivan
Mama_Sus wrote:
> Mike Sullivan <su...@forsythe.stanford.edu> wrote in message news:
>
> OK ... this thread is marvahlous!! So much material. Here ya go,
> Masterful Marketeer Mikey ... a thought ....
>
> Why should we duplicate those cheesy cheesecake calendars out there
> when we have the fuel (fodder) for something unique and exciting? We
> need the first annual alt surfing walnut cracking butts in reef girl
> pose calendar!! AND ... not just another buff boy thing ... we've got
> real men with real butts ... AND we have *quotes* to go with each
> pic!! (no, not rush and vedder quotes .... REAL freaky posted in the
> month long thread quotes!) Each guy will have to pose at his fav break
> , with his board of choice (this will make the body surfers ... stand
> out ...) ... and ... we want those backsides pooched up, guys.
>
> Start the production, Mikey. We will show the industry ... soul.
You could be right, Mama. 'But' as you know, I'm 'behind' the
eight ball as far as getting my 'ass' near any surf for a couple
more weeks. However, in my surfless time period, I've discovered
a new sport, called 'net surfing'. Here's Sully making the drop
on a three footer, bodysurfing of course, pure division, no fins or
wetsuit.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/020707/170/1t7fo.html
Mike - (net surfing ripper)
superfly®
> Tried that. The stalkers you sent found me and dragged me back :)
Well it's nice to see you grow emotionally over time. AS has been
real good to you. Painful but good.
> Who needs that when we have you. Though I believe terrorists have more soul.
I'm not a terrorist. I'm a warlord. Granted I use the barrel of a gun and/or
explosives to get what I want but I'm on the right side. Warlords are good.
Terrorists are bad.
> Should I risk pointing out to the ng there's no denial of my pickle licking
> charge in your response?
I gave that to you. After your shameful hotdog fest in my hottub the other
day, it was the least I could do. You even scared Lisa away.
> hehehe, you've got better people than me to aggravate
> Lemkin with a lot less scar tissue. @lex damn near lopped your dick off, all
the
> way from FRANCE!! Let's declare our monthly truce and find better things to
> waste bandwidth on.
Ok.
> Hey, how 'bout a surf report from the PNW? It's flat here in
> Maryland so you can take up the slack. If I get to the shore this weekend I'll
> supply you with a Longboard Challenge contest report. It'll be almost like a
> real surfing newsgroup instead of the one you purportedly lead.
We are thee largest supplier of real surf reports, text and images the world has
or ever will see. All w/o spending a damn dime. And we have retained our soul
in the process (except for Alvin and Denny)
I didn't even get my fingernails dirty...
superflyŽ << Ain't I clean, bad machine
Super cool, super mean >>
superfly®
> you're a pseudo-writer, and sometimes good at it. Those who cannot do,
> write. Or teach, how'd that go? Anyway, the fact that you've *written*
> about surfing doesn't make it any more true than one of Carl Lenoard's
> pill-popping rants.
When a story is contrived and the author has no experience with the matter
at hand, it's easy to spot. I've lived more in a month than you've lived in 10
years. Maybe 5 years. You do have some good stories and interesting
points of view.
> Well with that attitude it certainly is! You've got between 10 and 15 years
> on me, of course you make more money now (although I'm sure I make wayyy
> more money now than you did at my age).
I doubt it. I was at the peak of my earning career(so far) in my 20's. I drove a
carrera, always had $1k in my pockets as spending money and traveled out of
country at least once a month. I took a very large paycut to go legit.
I don't use the future as proof of concept. I use the past and now. Ppl who
are always talking about the future tend to be doing nothing right now. That was
my point.
> *That's* a good stat to go
> on....and listen to you, you spend a whole thread railing against money,
> then get into a pissing match over making more than me...kinda Blake-ish
> don't ya think?
You brought it up. I'll tell you again. I'm not anti-capitalist. I'm not a
republican
nor am I a democrat. The fact that I make money hand over fist and see the
cracks
in the free enterprise system only lends more credibility to my position.
superfly®
> could have, I can't find the link..the fact stands that neither of us can
> *proove* thatthere was more forest land....
One only has to take a drive thru forest land to figure this one out.
Did columbus bring a bunch of chainsaws over on the Pinta?
> Okay, let's just assume we are "raping" the forests...what *today* are you
> doing about it? Are you just bitching about it, or are you doing something
> about it???
I build with lumber thats on my land. I don't rape my land. I selectively cut
down trees and usually always have the same amount of growing lumber
on my land at any one time. I also build with trees that are down but not
harvested for one reason or another and I also used recycled lumber.
> When I see something wrong w/ my local government, I go to town
> meetings, city council meetings and petition my leaders.
Waste of time.
Doc on the road
"Mama_Sus" <stoke...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b8de1cb0.02071...@posting.google.com...
> Mike Sullivan <su...@forsythe.stanford.edu> wrote in message news:
>
> OK ... this thread is marvahlous!! So much material. Here ya go,
> Masterful Marketeer Mikey ... a thought ....
>
> Why should we duplicate those cheesy cheesecake calendars out there
> when we have the fuel (fodder) for something unique and exciting? We
> need the first annual alt surfing walnut cracking butts in reef girl
> pose calendar!! AND ... not just another buff boy thing ... we've got
> real men with real butts ... AND we have *quotes* to go with each
> pic!! (no, not rush and vedder quotes .... REAL freaky posted in the
> month long thread quotes!) Each guy will have to pose at his fav break
> , with his board of choice (this will make the body surfers ... stand
> out ...) ... and ... we want those backsides pooched up, guys.
>
> Start the production, Mikey. We will show the industry ... soul.
>
> Sus
> ... expects the photoshop pros will get busy ...
No way in hell are you putting me in a thong....... though I have managed to
stay in the same lean and mean state i was when I came back from Panama....
salivate all you want...
And how do you feel about fur?
Doc..... poster boy for 'hirsute'..........
Jane Moody
to
> stay in the same lean and mean state i was when I came back from
Panama....
> salivate all you want...
>
> And how do you feel about fur?
>
> Doc..... poster boy for 'hirsute'..........
>
>
darned hairy to someone just about hairless, and it just depends on the guy.
It's what's UNDER the hair that's important...
SnorkyŽŠ
says...
> Doh! smack...(the sound of Fleck's hand smacking head)
>
--
Will B. Bacque
SnorkyŽŠ
xlight...@earthlink.net says...
Good point. There's a world of difference between plantation trees and a
naturally-occurring, biodiverse forest. The former is a lot of today's
'forest' acreage; the latter is what was 100% of the forest acreage in
the 1600s & 1700s. There's a world of difference between the two.
It takes someone who actually goes out in the woods to learn, to
understand that.
--
Will B. Bacque
SnorkyŽŠ
flek...@NOcfl.rr.comSPAM says...
> not meant to be entertaining, frenchie, it's just fact, wether it's good or
> bad, it's fact.
>
> Now aren't you supposed to be busy burning Synagogues?
Have you ever passed on the opportunity to spew a stereotype?
> _FleK
>
>
> "@lex" <pors...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
> news:agglu6$ln3mf$1...@ID-147123.news.dfncis.de...
> >
> > Flek put it this way:
> >
> > > If there's a market for 'soul' in the industry, the people
> > > will vote with their dollars and it will happen.
> >
> > wow! That's the best one I have ever read from you Flek!
> >
> > Keep them flowing, I love them!!!
> >
> > SOS
> > "Sell Our Soul"
> >
> > @lex
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
--
Will B. Bacque
FleK
"SnorkyŽŠ" <NOSPASMgreyw...@not-so-hotmail.communist> wrote in
message news:MPG.1796916d7...@news.earthlink.net...
dear bitch:
when are you going to get around to explaining your 'lawsuit'?
The world is waiting.
driftwood®
well be true that there was more forest land in this country during the
revolutionary period than there is right now. it may be true for the eastern
seaboard, but definitely not on the west coast... especially not on the west
coast.
this might be of some interest. check out the diagrams on this webpage:
http://www.ancienttrees.org/history.html
logging operations have been a way of life for north coast (as well as the
entire PNW) residents since the virgin old growth redwood forests were
discovered back in the mid-1800s. i guess you could see this area has a rich
history when it comes to timber. from the mid-1800s to about the mid-1950s, saw
mills could be found everywhere. mills dotted every gulch and small valley along
the coast. mills dotted every valley along the interior as well. from the old
photos i have seen of this area, clear cutting was pretty much a way of life.
thousand year old trees were harvested, only to be replaced by saplings. within
50 years, the young trees were also cut, as old growth forests dwindled in size,
or were become protected parks.
when i was a kid, there were about five saw mills in willits alone. my
grandparents worked for one of the mills, so i was exposed to the timber
industry from an early age. logging trucks were still bringing in large redwood
logs... so big that only two or three cut logs would be able to fit on the
trucks.
over the years, less and less old growth forests were left along the north
coast. the rich history of the timber industry was beginning to come to a close.
the mills began to shut down, and what remained started harvesting young trees
just to be able to make ends meet. that's willits anyway, as well as some areas
of humboldt county. the few mills left in operation now are harvesting tan oak
bark or lumber from private property (or processed from saw mills on the coast).
there are a few timber operators left who have been practicing sustainable
logging operations on their property, but even that is drawing to a close.
Georgia Pacific's big mill in Fort Bragg is running on a skeleton crew right now
because there just isn't enough public forest land left to log.
then you have the mighty Pacific Lumber Company out of scotia, who for years
practiced sustainable logging operations on their thousands of acres worth of
forest land... that is, until Hurwitz came along and tried to pay off junk bonds
by reverting back to early 1900s logging... clear cutting everything in sight.
i'm sure you have probably heard of the huge battle to save the Headwaters
Forest.
http://www.headwatersforest.org/about/HW_Grove_and_Elk_Head.html
http://www.wildcalifornia.org/projects/headwaters/slides/lawrence_creek_cutover.html
http://www.wildcalifornia.org/projects/headwaters/slides/elk_areal.html
well, when you drive up into humboldt county now, it's a sad sight. hills
for miles around are now barren (especially around scotia) due to the massive
logging operations. what is a shame about Pacific Lumber now, is that they have
pretty much logged themselves into extinction. besides a certain ridgeline along
the northern edges of the lost coast, which is also a battlefield between
activists and rabid loggers, PL hasn't got much left and parts of the mill has
had to shut down because of it. their website now claims that PL is very much
into sustainable lumber practices.
http://www.palco.com/
sites of interest about the famed headwaters battle:
http://www.metroactive.com/Headwaters/headwaters1-9835.html
http://www.dunkerton.k12.ia.us/curriculum/mcdougall.html
maybe i have said too much?
eric b.
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SnorkyŽŠ
flek...@NOcfl.rr.comSPAM says...
>
> "SnorkyŽŠ" <NOSPASMgreyw...@not-so-hotmail.communist> wrote in
> message
>
> > As for this supposed lawsuit: get it straight, fool. I never said
> > anything about a lawsuit. After a year and a half, you persist in saying
> > that I did, yet you never come up with any proof. It's an excellent
> > example of one of the lies from your mountain of lies.
> >
> > Meanwhile, I have 3 1/2 GB of evidence on exactly what you said and
> > did....
> >
>
> Either you're a nutjob or a nutjob, you can have it both ways!
OK, let's see what you have.
> http://groups.google.com/groups?q=flek+evidence+flek+OR+legal+group:alt.surf
> ing+author:grey+author:wolf&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=MPG.1568f6d1234
> 96a7998973e%40news.earthlink.net&rnum=1
>
> "What's important is that I have a life, and I have no interest in your
> system - other than when I'm helping gather evidence against you."
I didn't say lawsuit there.
> http://groups.google.com/groups?q=flek+evidence+flek+OR+legal+group:alt.surf
> ing+author:grey+author:wolf&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=MPG.156866f0d7e
> 8bf3598973c%40news.earthlink.net&rnum=2
>
> "You should see the logs (and other evidence) that I sent them. In fact,
> you probably will... in court."
Nor there. Keep on digging: you find that YOU made up the lawsuit stuff.
If you still can't figure it out, maybe you can ask Duke; he could
explain it to you.
> That last one was over a year ago, do the wheels of justice turn that slowly
> for you???
For the rest of the world, it's sad that justice is so slow. For you,
it's a good thing. In fact, I'd have to say that YOU are a beneficiary
of 9-11-2001; the tragic events of that day re-directed resources away
from you.
> Having problems getting the respect you deserve when your med
> records come up???
Always one to take the high road, aren't you?
I hold my head high. I have a lifetime of accomplishments, a large
loving family, a beautiful home, and enough assets to make a lot of
right-wingers jealous.
I also have a couple of illnesses which seem to have been passed on down
through the genes. One of them causes unreliable firing of brain
synapses, and leads to mood disorders. It's a disease, not a moral
failure, not a lifestyle-induced defect. With some people, the basic
treatment is as simple finding a medication which enables the natural
synaptic activity to take place; I'm one of the lucky ones: my meds put
right on an even keel. It's as if someone flipped the switch, and
daylight came back into my life. People who have known me for a long
time are amazed at the difference.
It's a common disease. In the past two days I found out that Dick
Cavett, Rod Steiger, and Abraham Lincoln all had to learn to deal with
the same affliction. Since I started studying it, I have learned of
hundreds of famous & successful people who fought the same kinds of
symptoms that I have had to fight.
It's called depression. Read up on it: you might actually learn
something. Oh, never mind.....
> http://groups.google.com/groups?q=flek+evidence+flek+OR+legal+group:alt.surf
> ing+author:grey+author:wolf&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=MPG.158ab8638eb
> eee2d989823%40news.earthlink.net&rnum=3
>
> "I need to stop talking now,(GOD, if only we could be so lucky...ed)
> however. There *are* legal considerations."
>
I missed it. Do you see "lawsuit" in there?
>
> *AND*
>
> The guy stalked me, and several others in the A.S.
> > > community. I have a restraining order ready to go if he relapses.
>
Uh, darn, I don't see the "L" word there, either.
>
> Okay, what say you? The term 'lawsuit' on usenet is as common and truthful
> as the term "moderate arab state".
And the ignorance flows on.....
> Now please, have this warm bowl of 'shut
> the fuck up', you'll feel better.
Stooping to Jr.. high tactics again? You've had enough time watch pros
in action; surely that's not your best shot. Or maybe it is...... I need
to stop underestimating your ignorance.
Now for some praise:
I'm so glad you did your homework.
A for effort.
F for conclusions.
All that work and you didn't read it? Or are you simply unable to
comprehend what you read? (note to self: that would explain a lot)
You said lawsuit, not I. And all of the googlebits you posted help show
it. We'll wait while you dig some more - or concede the point: I never
said I was going to sue you or otherwise involve a lawsuit.
For your next assignment: find where I said I take Prozac. Not that
there's anything wrong with it....
As in the "L" word, you're going to find that YOU said I take Prozac; I
never said that.
You go through life leaping to erroneous conclusions and then professing
those erroneous ideas as fact. Maybe that's why no one takes you
seriously. You are the pathetic joke of alt.surfing. It was here before
you came along, and it will be here after you tire of humiliating
yourself.
Your pal,
Snorky
SnorkyŽŠ
says...
> Again, I never said it was so very bad, I just said that you haven't got
> your facts straight, and in this case you seem to be taking facts
> directly from Rush Limbaugh without checking them (which is perfectly
> fine as long as Rush is telling the truth).
1. Flek NEVER gets his 'facts' straight.
2. Considering how often Rush has been exposed as a manipulator of
information (and of people....), his 'facts' should always be checked
before relying on them. Unless, of course, one loves to be humiliated in
public. Which brings us back to Flek.
--
Will B. Bacque
SnorkyŽŠ
flek...@NOcfl.rr.comSPAM says...
>
> "SnorkyŽŠ" <NOSPASMgreyw...@not-so-hotmail.communist> wrote in
> message news:MPG.1796916d7...@news.earthlink.net...
> > In article <agghk7$8p0$1...@news.datasync.com>, ent...@nospam-ametro.com
> > says...
> > > Doh! smack...(the sound of Fleck's hand smacking head)
> > >
> > Not a chance. Flek never let the facts get in the way of a good agenda.
> > --
>
>
> dear bitch:
You seem to have me confused with someone else. It's OK, I understand:
you're easily confused.
> when are you going to get around to explaining your 'lawsuit'?
>
> The world is waiting.
I have no explaining to do. I never said anything about a lawsuit. We'll
wait while YOU demonstrate that I brought up the topic of "lawsuit".
Then you can explain to us who said I take Prozac. (hint: it was you,
not I).
Snorky
Surfer Bob
> >The surf industry has no soul? http://www.nxnwsurf.com/ has no soul?
>
And then distan...@aol.com (The Supreme Court) wrote:
> Dammit! When did NXNWSURF become the surf industry? Where was the memo? Who is
> responsible for this appointment? Should I take up my issues with them?
Your Honor, I think rod was poking Lem's knee. And Lem kicked hard.
This surfshop is in the heart of Lem's beloved surf wilderness, the
premier last bastion of PNW surfing soul. And even they market
themselves with "soul." So what's a poor PNW hardcore, real deal
surfer with an axe to grind with the surf industry to do? A man's
gotta buy his 5-mil somewhere. So Superfly put Lemons! under lockdown,
took to the keyboard and came out swinging. I think rod got a little
close to the bone here.
Surfer Bob
superfly®
> For your next assignment: find where I said I take Prozac. Not that
> there's anything wrong with it....
Sure there is. This nation is riddled with anti-depressents. If most of
these
ppl decided they would spend 2 hours/day in the the outdoors (thruout
the year) and stopped eating garbage they'd experience a world of
difference.
It's much easier to pop a pill tho.
> You go through life leaping to erroneous conclusions and then professing
> those erroneous ideas as fact. Maybe that's why no one takes you
> seriously. You are the pathetic joke of alt.surfing. It was here before
> you came along, and it will be here after you tire of humiliating
> yourself.
Damn I hope he hangs in there. This place can get real boring with just
you PC regulars. Where the flek is fuck tonight? Hey flek, I'm drinking
again! Poseiden imperial stout. This shit will grab you by the balls. 10%
bitch.
FleK
news:uiq5mgp...@corp.supernews.com...
> "Snorky®©" <NOSPASMgreyw...@not-so-hotmail.communist> wrote
> > For your next assignment: find where I said I take Prozac. Not that
> > there's anything wrong with it....
>
> Sure there is. This nation is riddled with anti-depressents. If most of
> these
> ppl decided they would spend 2 hours/day in the the outdoors (thruout
> the year) and stopped eating garbage they'd experience a world of
> difference.
> It's much easier to pop a pill tho.
>
there were some sugar-cane field laborers. The guy, in his 300$ pants and
'casual' shirt rode back to the plantation house with some of the guys to
get a can of fuel. The ride took about 25 minutes, so they go to talking as
to why he was driving from Miami to Tampa... He explained that his wife was
depressed. "Well senor, you put her to work out here in the fields for 3
weeks, she'll never be depressed again". The man smiled. 3 weeks later the
women killed herself... Moral of the story? Don't Date ROBOTS!!!
SO what??? sue me! I'm a sucker for a nice clear grey goose.
FleK
message
Five year old Melanie lives in a shack in the Phillapeans. She eats only a
bowl of rice and goes to sleep on a hard floor, listen to her gripping
testimony:
>
>" Today, we went to market to buy the head of fish, but we did not have
enough money, so I had to sell my finger.."
Would you please help? Her prozac can be bought for 70 cents a day, just 70
cents can change the life of this washed-up hasbeen PNW kook. Operators are
standing by, call us now!
_FleK
Sequoia
> i must say, this has become an interesting topic for debate.
> maybe i have said too much?
Not at all. Maybe the village idiot who tried to say that there's more forest land today than 'way back when' will actually read
some of it and get a start on education.
Seq
Surfer Bob
> I guess I might as well stumble into this thread.... being as I am back
> running a surf shop for a while....
Doc,
Thanks again for content rich, no BS reporting from our friend in the
surfstuff biz.
Your discussion of SE Asian factories reminds me of a recent piece
about Walmart written by Jim Hightower for his "Hightower Lowdown"
newsletter. In an article filled with nasty stuff about Walmart's
business practices, the thing that stood out for me was how they go to
sweatshop hellholes in countries where the prevailing labor rate is 65
cents an hour and they gouge and they gouge (as they do at every level
of their business) and they drive the rate in their factories down to
about 17 cents an hour. Heinous. They are the #1 most profitable
corporation in the world, ahead of oil, and everything else. The CEO
makes more than Bill Gates. Quite a spooky lesson in what corporate
capitalism is really all about.
Surfer Bob
FleK
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*catches breath after lmao.