WSD Past, present, and future (all those interested in future day input, please read)

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Steve M

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Apr 5, 2002, 10:30:05 PM4/5/02
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Note: for the important parts of my future WSD proposal,
just look for the asterisks if you're not interested in the rest.

WSD PAST:

As Dan King pointed out, it was *not* last year
that I "won." I was given the thermos in 2000.

I chose Ben Rak to be the winner in 2001, but
he was roaming around the globe and did not
accept the thermos. I chose Keener as the
runner-up since he accused Ben of snaking
him as the rightful owner of the thermos,
citing it was his (Keener's) action that made
Ben's report possible. However, Keener also
made no request for the thermos, so I gave
it to those attending GP2K1 this year. Rumor
has it that Rod and Foon have the best idea
of where the thermos currently is, and Sarge
hinted that he also knows where it is.

WSD PRESENT:

Even though Ben did not accept the thermos,
I still consider him the rightful "winner" of
WSD 2001, so it should be up to him to choose
the winner this year if he accepts the responsibility.
If the thermos cannot be located, I guess we can
take up Surff on the coffee cup offer....with the
stipulation it's not as smelly as the thermos was.

As for my WSD report, I'm still working on it and
hope to have it completed by Sunday.


WSD FUTURE:

I have noticed there are several different
threads going on about setting a specific day
for WSD. It's hard to keep up with each one
and connect them without making numerous
replies.

********* For this reason, I would like this
thread to be the focal point for any future
discussion for purposes of conciseness, not
for the reason that I think mine is any better
than the others.**********

Just to summarize, I think the main ideas that
have been thrown out are the solstices, the equinoxes,
Thanksgiving, Earth Day, and Halloween.

Earth Day, and the vernal equinox, and the summer
solstice (northern hem.), I think are poor surf conditions
for a majority of people. The winter solstice (n. hem), especially
if we go with the idea of the first saturday after it, probably
comes too close to Christmas, and may even *be* Christmas
in some years, so I think that's not the best.

I like the idea of Thanksgiving...Not the day, or even the
day after, for reasons discussed previously, but the *Saturday*
after Thanksgiving. I'm choosing something around Thanksgiving
not as a US-centric move, but that it's a fairly good arbitrary
time to pick that can be relatively easy to remember, and we
can remind those who are not familiar with Thanksgiving.
Besides, even if people are unaware of the US tradition, I think
we can take a surfing spin on the concept and use it as
a world-wide day to be thankful that we have the opportunity
to surf. The Saturday after Thanksgiving would be better
because I think many more would have the opportunity
to surf then instead of the Thursday or Friday.


*********************
Thanksgiving is also towards the end of November, close
to the winter solstice, so this would seem to correspond
to what seems to be the majority saying that time of
year is better than April.

So, this is my proposal:

WSD will be the saturday after Thanksgiving. When this,
or whatever date is finally approved, is chosen, I think
it should go into the FAQ to avoid this discussion every
year.
****************************************


I also don't like the idea of two WSDs, but I do like
the idea of *a* surf day being on Earth Day. So, if
we want to take this any further, I make another
proposal that we have an EDSD (Earth Day Surf Day), but
this would be secondary to WSD....No high-quality coffee
mugs for this occasion, and no "winner"....just a day
to celebrate the Earth and the surf.


So there ya have it.

Later,
Steve

SurfSarge

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Apr 6, 2002, 12:26:03 AM4/6/02
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Steve M wrote:

>and Sarge
>hinted that he also knows where it is.

I was wrong on my first inclination. But, I do know where it is residing now.
-PD


Neal Miyake

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Apr 6, 2002, 12:39:23 AM4/6/02
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yes.

sponge

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Mongolian Horde

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Apr 6, 2002, 5:35:47 AM4/6/02
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On Sat, 06 Apr 2002 05:39:23 GMT, Neal Miyake <spo...@iav.com> wrote:

>> Just to summarize, I think the main ideas that
>> have been thrown out are the solstices, the equinoxes,
>> Thanksgiving, Earth Day, and Halloween.

[Northern hemisphere] vernal equinox is when the day length across the
globe is equal. Therefore it seems to me that this is the best time
to have WSD. Although it's not a particularly good time most places
for surf. So, I would suggest a month after the 21st of september.
Is this the same as Thanksgiving.

Australia Day would be a really terrible time for WSD, as would the
Queen's birthday, so I don't see why you americans should be able to
name WSD by one of your poxy public holidays.

GK (whose e-mail address works again)

Always Stoke

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Apr 6, 2002, 9:16:50 AM4/6/02
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Steve M <ste...@infi.net> wrote:

> Note: for the important parts of my future WSD proposal,
> just look for the asterisks if you're not interested in the rest.

ut oh, ....


> WSD PAST:
>
> As Dan King pointed out, it was *not* last year
> that I "won." I was given the thermos in 2000.

Ok, we got that cleared up...


> I chose Ben Rak to be the winner in 2001, but
> he was roaming around the globe and did not
> accept the thermos. I chose Keener as the
> runner-up since he accused Ben of snaking
> him as the rightful owner of the thermos,
> citing it was his (Keener's) action that made
> Ben's report possible. However, Keener also
> made no request for the thermos, so I gave
> it to those attending GP2K1 this year. Rumor
> has it that Rod and Foon have the best idea
> of where the thermos currently is, and Sarge
> hinted that he also knows where it is.

AHA! So we have a RAT!!

Where's that smelly thermos you kooks??? :)


>
> WSD PRESENT:
>
> Even though Ben did not accept the thermos,
> I still consider him the rightful "winner" of
> WSD 2001, so it should be up to him to choose
> the winner this year if he accepts the responsibility.
> If the thermos cannot be located, I guess we can
> take up Surff on the coffee cup offer....with the
> stipulation it's not as smelly as the thermos was.

...LOL It STUNK didn't it??

> As for my WSD report, I'm still working on it and
> hope to have it completed by Sunday.

Geezz... you writin a Foo.. I mean, a novel?


> WSD FUTURE:
>
> I have noticed there are several different
> threads going on about setting a specific day
> for WSD. It's hard to keep up with each one
> and connect them without making numerous
> replies.

I know, I gave up even clicking on those threads.
When you guys decide on the date get back to me.
I dont care when it is. I'm sure I'll be surfing as usual.

> ********* For this reason, I would like this
> thread to be the focal point for any future
> discussion for purposes of conciseness, not
> for the reason that I think mine is any better
> than the others.**********

...but you do think it is right?


-----> <G>

This is where I sign off and let you guys decide.

Have fun.

--
...m@rk
...my toungue hurts from pressing against my cheek so hard!
---------> NJ SUX!!!!

KR

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Apr 6, 2002, 10:48:48 AM4/6/02
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"Steve M" <ste...@infi.net> wrote in message news:3CAE6BBD...@infi.net...
<SNip>

>
> As for my WSD report, I'm still working on it and
> hope to have it completed by Sunday.
>
>
<SNiP>.

>
>
> So there ya have it.
>
> Later,
> Steve

Steve,
I emailed your WSD report back to you almost 2 months ago. The changes I
recommended where minor and should have been simple for you to complete.
With that said, there really is no excuse for you not to have posted it yet.
-KR


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Steve M

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Apr 6, 2002, 1:17:11 PM4/6/02
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KR wrote:
>
> "Steve M" <ste...@infi.net> wrote in message news:3CAE6BBD...@infi.net...
> <SNip>
> >
> > As for my WSD report, I'm still working on it and
> > hope to have it completed by Sunday.
> >
> >
> <SNiP>.
> >
> >
> > So there ya have it.

>

> Steve,
> I emailed your WSD report back to you almost 2 months ago. The changes I
> recommended where minor and should have been simple for you to complete.
> With that said, there really is no excuse for you not to have posted it yet.
> -KR

KR, you freakin' IDIOT! Didn't you learn
*anything* from Ferg inadvertantly posting
those XXX pics to the newsgroup awhile back,
like that you should always be careful to
check whether you are e-mailing or posting
to the group before you hit "send" when dealing
with sensitive information?!

Now you've probably blown my cover. I had
such a nice set up, pretending I was slaving
over an award-winning WSD post, when, in fact,
I sent the draft to you months before as you
so ignorantly blathered to the newsgroup. As
you said, it only needed minor revisions
(I think I need to scratch out the part about
"the ocean folding over on me"), so it would
have been a fine masterpiece of epic proportions.
Now it will probably just go down as one of
the greatest scandals on AS of all time.

Ah, what the heck, I'll try it anyway. Alot of
times, these things go unnoticed.

.....But you're still fired as my future editor.

Later,
Steve

Steve M

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Apr 6, 2002, 3:49:28 PM4/6/02
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Mongolian Horde wrote:
>

> Australia Day would be a really terrible time for WSD, as would the
> Queen's birthday, so I don't see why you americans should be able to
> name WSD by one of your poxy public holidays.
>

Maybe I didn't include it in the asterisks, but
I had mentioned the day was choosen more for the time
of year than for the "poxy public holiday." Close
to Thanksgiving was used as an arbitrary benchmark,
cuz it would be easier to remember. If it makes
you happier, we can exclude all references to
the holiday and use Blake's terminology (except
for the fact he was one week off) and say that
WSD will be held on the Saturday after the *fourth*
Thursday in November. And the Southern Hemi test-
run can be the saturday after the fourth Thursday
in April (April 27 this year).

Later,
Steve

rodNDtube

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Apr 6, 2002, 3:33:05 PM4/6/02
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One month after Sept 21st is roughly Halloween (Oct 31st). Is there a
Halloween Down Under?

Rod Rodgers
eMail: rrod...@bcpl.net
Homepage: http://www.rodNDtube.com/
GuidoPalooza: http://www.rodndtube.com/gp/guidopalooza.html

SurffOhio

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Apr 6, 2002, 4:22:16 PM4/6/02
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Dave Blake wrote:
>Hear hear.
>
>The Mind has spoken, and proposed that the Saturday after
>the third Thursday in November be Fall WSD.

Hey, that's a good one. Dad's done
the family TG thing and shelled out
the bucks for the biggest shopping
day of the year on Friday, so Sat.
is all his.

Surff

KR

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Apr 6, 2002, 3:39:51 PM4/6/02
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"Steve M" <ste...@infi.net> wrote in message news:3CAF3BA6...@infi.net...

ummm...ooopps?
Sorry about that. I feel really stupid.

-KR


SurffOhio

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Apr 6, 2002, 6:57:01 PM4/6/02
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M@rk wrote:
> AHA! So we have a RAT!!
>
> Where's that smelly thermos you kooks??? :)

Well, after sifting through the
posts, it's become obvious.
Foon has it. My question is,
why has it been kidnapped
by Foon? He's obviously not
giving it up, so I guess I'll send
a coffee cup this year to the
WSD winner. Btw, who's the
judge of the WSD posts? Has
it come down to Andy and Bud?
Should I decide?

Surff

Mongolian Horde

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Apr 7, 2002, 12:23:13 AM4/7/02
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On Sat, 6 Apr 2002 15:33:05 -0500, rodNDtube <rrod...@bcpl.net> wrote:
>On Sat, 6 Apr 2002, Mongolian Horde wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 06 Apr 2002 05:39:23 GMT, Neal Miyake <spo...@iav.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> Just to summarize, I think the main ideas that
>> >> have been thrown out are the solstices, the equinoxes,
>> >> Thanksgiving, Earth Day, and Halloween.
>>
>> [Northern hemisphere] vernal equinox is when the day length across the
>> globe is equal. Therefore it seems to me that this is the best time
>> to have WSD. Although it's not a particularly good time most places
>> for surf. So, I would suggest a month after the 21st of september.
>> Is this the same as Thanksgiving.
>>
>> Australia Day would be a really terrible time for WSD, as would the
>> Queen's birthday, so I don't see why you americans should be able to
>> name WSD by one of your poxy public holidays.
>>
>> GK (whose e-mail address works again)
>
>One month after Sept 21st is roughly Halloween (Oct 31st). Is there a
>Halloween Down Under?

Yes, but somewhat illogically it happens in late Spring , whereas
Easter happens in Autumn.

This would be a much better time than later on in the year due to
still having a reasonable day length (N Hemisphere), and still mostly
offshore (S hem).

Lemons!

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Apr 7, 2002, 1:04:57 AM4/7/02
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So after all the wrangling and juggling of schedules, cold water
aversion and family obligations, you guys have managed to
find a fall WSD? I'm amazed that a newsgroup of alleged
surfers have actually found a day in their schedule to go
surfing...

"Dave Blake" <dbl...@popper.ucsf.edu> wrote

Foon

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Apr 7, 2002, 12:35:46 AM4/7/02
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SherlockOhio Says..

>Well, after sifting through the
>posts, it's become obvious.
>Foon has it. My question is,
>why has it been kidnapped
>by Foon? He's obviously not
>giving it up.

I assure you Dr Surffby, I do not possess the thermos. I held the stinky
thing once last Oct during the awards ceremony and that was enough.
I'm certain it has found a good home, but not mine. And to back up
that claim, I'll give you $1000 if you can prove I have it.
Can I interest you in a beer cozy?

-Foon

Neal Miyake

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Apr 7, 2002, 1:23:39 AM4/7/02
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"KR" <K...@med.comnet> wrote:
> "Steve M" <ste...@infi.net> wrote:
> > KR wrote: <snip>

You should.

Steve, we are still looking forward to reading it. Funny, because we didn't
even start dialog about having it two months ago.

sponge


westoz

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Apr 7, 2002, 8:25:26 AM4/7/02
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> One month after Sept 21st is roughly Halloween (Oct 31st). Is there a
> Halloween Down Under?
>
Mate it wouldn't surprise me if we started celebrating independence day down
here.

Tom.


Steve M

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Apr 7, 2002, 1:39:27 PM4/7/02
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Neal Miyake wrote:

>
> Steve, we are still looking forward to reading it.
> Funny, because we didn't
> even start dialog about having it two months ago.
>

No need to be surprised, Neal; These things
are written *well* in advance. My WSD 2003
report is well under way, and I have even
gotten started on an embryonic WSD 2004 report.
I need to start putting dates on these things
or I might start loosing track.

As for this year, it was *so* well devised.
It may have *seemed* like WSD was being discussed
less than a month ago, but that was all
part of the plan. I have known since
November or December that I was going to be in
SD, so a made a few minor revisions to the
report (which I started in 2000 I think), and
then got Dan and John H. to start a seemingly
unsolicited campaign for WSD to be while I
was visiting. We even pulled Andy into the
loop to make it *really* look like an
independent third-party request.

It all worked superbly until KR inadvertently
blew the cover by posting to the newsgroup instead
of by private e-mail.

By the way, I'm looking for a new editor
for my reports....You interested?

Later,
Steve

SurffOhio

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Apr 7, 2002, 1:47:23 PM4/7/02
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Steve M. wrote:
> We even pulled Andy into the
>loop to make it *really* look like an
>independent third-party request.
>
>It all worked superbly until KR inadvertently
>blew the cover by posting to the newsgroup instead
>of by private e-mail.

You probably use fake Xmas trees.

Surff

Neal Miyake

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Apr 7, 2002, 4:17:24 PM4/7/02
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I'll be your copy editor for 2004. Please send the manuscript to me, double
spaced, by the end of the month. I need to get a jump on my review so I can
return it to you in time. :-)

sponge


KR

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"Neal Miyake" <spo...@iav.com> wrote in message
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Steve, you farking ingrate!
I have been doing your WSD reports for, what? 3 years now?
One could argue that it was my input that allowed you to win the thermos that
one time.
But, after ONE mistake you fire me and give the job to Neal?
Unbelievable.

Well, I hope you enjoy the job, Miyake.
Working with Steve is a difficult task.

You know, now that I think about it, this may be a blessing...

-KR
>


Steve M

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Apr 7, 2002, 10:50:13 PM4/7/02
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Discussion of future WSD dates is hereby
deferred to the "WSD in fall - proposed date" thread

Later,
Steve

SurffOhio

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Apr 8, 2002, 12:36:03 AM4/8/02
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Steve M. wrote:
>Discussion of future WSD dates is hereby
>deferred to the "WSD in fall - proposed date" thread

Acknowleged.

Surff

Dan King

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Apr 8, 2002, 2:26:45 AM4/8/02
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ghengi...@hotmail.com (Mongolian Horde) wrote in
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> This would be a much better time than later on in the year due to
> still having a reasonable day length (N Hemisphere),

Short days make it much easier to surf all day long.

--
Dan

"I dive deep when it's ten feet overhead
grab the reef underneath my bed" - Sublime



Dan King

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surf...@aol.communicate (SurffOhio) wrote in
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> Btw, who's the
> judge of the WSD posts?

Ben Rak.

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