Stranger still again
Mike Cronis
probably scarring and swelling in the vas-differens (or something like
that). My ejac is now more rust-colored than anything else (which according
to everyone I've seen, is still "normal") but the amount is extremely less,
like a few drops. There's probably some kind of blockage that will go away
over time (according to docs). Anyone please have any ideas?
Mike
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"Mike Cronis" <mikean...@peoplepc.com> wrote in message news:<tt937mi...@corp.supernews.com>...
I hope others will write. All I can say is that your post-vasectomy
experience has been different from mine. My semen color didn't
change, and ejaculate volume remained the same. I have heard that
tinted cum is not that unusual for awhile after, but have never heard
anyone report that he ejaculated less short term. But your docs.
probably know a lot more about ejaculation than we do, so I guess you
should just keep doing what you are doing now to see if things return
to normal. If not, go see him again! What about your urine flow? (A
reduction would definitely suggest some swelling of the prostate.)
BTW, do your ejacs. feel any different when you shoot less?
Steve Law
A few facts:
[] My ejaculate was more yellowish, could be called a light rust after
vasectomy, more of a clear with a tint. Returned to the normal white
after reversal. Have read and had other men report the same thing.
[] Reuters news service reported a study showing ejaculate volume down
by 50% after five years post vasectomy. Was a few years ago before so
much web archives, about 1993. Hard to judge personal experience.
[] I did notice an immediate decrease in ejaculate strength (versus
orgasm, which did not seem any different). Remember their are hormones
and other chemicals that travel up the vas and interact with prostate
semen. Your are drying out the vas above the cut and there is a
storage location for sperm near the prostate which will no longer be
filled. Check out detailed medical drawings of the sperm delivery
system.
[] Lastly: Ice, Ice, Ice. Continue to Ice even after you feel you are
healed. Ice reduces swelling and will continue to aid deep healing. I
used (and needed) a lot more ice after the reversal than the
vasectomy. Ice is known to reduce scarring (where there is sliced
tissue there is scarring) and the scarring is internal also. Ice as
often as you can.
God Speed in your recovery,
Steve L
David
> by 50% after five years post vasectomy. Was a few years ago before so
> much web archives, about 1993. Hard to judge personal experience.
Reuters is a news agency NOT a medical body - it was reporting news a la
tabloids as that is what it does.
Medline has reports back to early this century so if it is availabe it will
be there - please supply some information so we can look.
Incidentally, the only medical paper I've yet to find on medline is the one
that started vasectomy off called "Observations on the structure and
diseases of the testes" by O Cooper, published in London in 1830 - that's
right eighteen thirty. I *WAS* actually pissed off by this as it would have
been interesting to read, and I pretty much expected them to have archived
it.
David
Mike Cronis
swelling apparent any longer (which is kind of nice) not much of a fever to
speak of (very low, like 99 degrees or less) but severe lower abdominal
pain, particularly lingering for as long as several days afer an ejac. Now
it's chronic though (the pain). Testis ache as well.
First few ejacs were great! Then trouble. Hemospermia, pain. Now lower
abdominal pain to boot. Perhaps it's epididymal congestion, or perhaps a
negative reaction to my own sperm? Epididymal blowout? Prostatis? I see
the urologist tomorrow, but they have no idea. My ejac is almost
non-existant now, and gel-like, and a weird shade that might be rusty? I
wish I had never done this procedure! So far 5 weeks of pain with no
relief. I have no appetite. Worse still, no hope in sight, as no one has
any idea what's wrong. Urologists tell me to take aspirin and just wait it
out and that all of this is probably normal. How am I supposed to live my
life like this???
Mike
"Steve Law" <stev...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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trifold
>
> A few facts:
>
> [] My ejaculate was more yellowish, could be called a light rust after
> vasectomy, more of a clear with a tint. Returned to the normal white
> after reversal. Have read and had other men report the same thing.
Fact: Hardly anyone reports any longterm change in semen color after
vasectomy. Conclusion: Those reporting such changes are probably
experiencing some non-vasectomy related condidition.
>
> [] Reuters news service reported a study showing ejaculate volume down
> by 50% after five years post vasectomy. Was a few years ago before so
> much web archives, about 1993. Hard to judge personal experience.
Fact: You have never been able to locate this "study," yet medline
includes many studies from this period. Conclusion: The study did
not appear in a creditable scientific source; or you have
"misremembered." (In any case, Mike reports an almost immediate
reduction in ejaculate volume, and by more than 50%. This suggests
something else is going on in his case. Frankly, I suspect a prostate
inflammation, esp. in that he also reported a reduction in urine
flow.)
>
> [] I did notice an immediate decrease in ejaculate strength (versus
> orgasm, which did not seem any different). Remember their are hormones
> and other chemicals that travel up the vas and interact with prostate
> semen. Your are drying out the vas above the cut and there is a
> storage location for sperm near the prostate which will no longer be
> filled. Check out detailed medical drawings of the sperm delivery
> system.
Query: what "storage location?" Are you talking about the seminal
vescicles? There is no reason these would not "fill" after vasectomy.
(They make stuff themselves, by the way, independently of the
testicles and the prostate, and so are not just a place for
"storage.") Could you point us to a source that describes the
movement of hormones and chemicals up the vas to the prostate that you
mention, please? I have asked you about this before, but you have
never answered. I have never heard of such a thing. (The mechanism
of testosterone movement out from the testicles is via the blood, not
the vas deferens, as you should know.)
>
> [] Lastly: Ice, Ice, Ice. Continue to Ice even after you feel you are
> healed. Ice reduces swelling and will continue to aid deep healing. I
> used (and needed) a lot more ice after the reversal than the
> vasectomy. Ice is known to reduce scarring (where there is sliced
> tissue there is scarring) and the scarring is internal also. Ice as
> often as you can.
The value of using ice after vasectomy is a subject on which you are
invariably accurate and helpful. Thanks for that.
Mike Cronis
normal now, but pain persists in the lower abdomen. I find removing any
pressure (such as boxers, etc.) almost immediately relieves any discomfort
to an almost negligible state. I think something is inflamed or infected
(perhaps) such as the prostate. Frighteningly, these signs also point to
certain STDs (which is pretty scary, though I find it unlikely) such as the
hemospermia, suffering urination, light fever, and possible prostate
swelling. Most of the fix-actions tend to lead toward Tetracycline 500mg
for 10 days or similar.
I've dismissed my urologist because 1) He's army and was extremely rude
throughout, especially -during- the operation, whereas when the lydocane was
not taking, and I was feeling -intense- pain, he merely laughed, "..what,
are you from SanFransisco or something? Take it like a man! What's wrong
with you?!" etc. and 2) Further visits have yielded that I'm normal and
this is all normal and just "...deal with it." Another urologist (sadly
army I think) is annoyed with my 3 calls to him as a referral, but agreed to
see me tomorrow, and has at least a slightly better "bedside manner" so far.
Sadly, when he examines me tomorrow, he'll probably check my prostate, which
will probably suck. Hopefully my prostate is enlarged (wow, I thought I'd
never say that!) and antibiotics will be the solution. I'll keep you all
posted!
Current symptoms at 5 weeks:
almost no ejac (rusty looking, final amount oozes out, and is gel-like)
urination strength less (but recently slightly better) at about 75% normal
pain in lower abdomen like a pressure (usually relieved by removal of any
pressure like boxers)
testis ache mildly (I guess this can be expected) on and off
open wound of non-stitch incision healed at about 90% now
some leakage (?) from urethra after ejac for several hours (very small
amount)
Wish me luck!
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Steve Law
Please use ice, ice, ice. Aspirin will help also if your stomach can
take it. Try to stay prone - prostrate with ass on a pillow. You want
the blood flow to be away from the testis and scrotum.
Don't be alarmed by the doctor's lack of help. Your body will slowly
recover, but keep the doctors in the loop in case of serious
complications. The Medical Establishment is good at fixing things, not
so good at things that shouldn't be fixed in the first place.
As to the prior email. It is true that Testosterone is produced in the
leydig cells and released through cells to the blood stream. Read a
few books on sperm producing cells and the fluid they swim up and it
has other hormones (or better put proteins). Find a doctor who can
fully explain this to you and you will find a doctor who has not had a
vasectomy and would not have one.
The interaction is not as simple as pro-vas folks would have you
believe. It is a fairly complex system. Something I am still learning,
but learned more than I wanted when my vasectomy went awry.
Even through your distress, please warn others that the risks are
greater than those who have not experienced them state.
God Speed in your healing (and did I mention: ICE, ICE, ICE),
Steve L
Mike Cronis
assume that's what you mean. Other urologists have suggested heat. I feel
weird taking heavy asprin, no-asprin asprin, etc., to deter the pain though.
Like turning up the radio during a car problem. I figure I have either an
infection or swollen prostate, as my lower abdomen feels full somehow, and
is relieved when all pressure is removed. I'll try your advise though!
Mike
"Steve Law" <stev...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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David
learned more than I wanted when my vasectomy went awry.
You never give us any information about your vasectomy and I have to admit
to being curious. Why did you decide to have one, how was the decision made?
David
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"Mike Cronis" <mikean...@peoplepc.com> wrote in message news:<ttevs0k...@corp.supernews.com>...
> Thank you for your response very much! Ice? Ice where, lower abdomen? I
> assume that's what you mean. Other urologists have suggested heat.
Ummmm . . .I would listen to your doctors on this one. Steve I think
was addressing the value of ice on the crotch post vas to keep down
swelling. Your present condition may be something entirely different.
Otherwise your docs. would be suggesting ice, which is the standard
recommendation post vas. (But I suppose ice can't hurt.)
> I feel
> weird taking heavy asprin, no-asprin asprin, etc., to deter the pain though.
> Like turning up the radio during a car problem. I figure I have either an
> infection or swollen prostate, as my lower abdomen feels full somehow, and
> is relieved when all pressure is removed. I'll try your advise though!
I think you are right to want to get this diagnosed rather than just
covered up. (I like your comparison to turning up the car radio!)
But if it is a prostate problem--and I guess you might get some
indication of that after you see the doc. today--he may recommend some
symtomatic relief in addition to other stuff (perhaps antibiotics).
Prostate problems are notoriously hard to diagnose and treat though.
(You might want to check out sci.med.prostate.prostatitis.) Your
concerns re: std are worth mentioning to your doc, btw.
trifold
"Mike Cronis" <mikean...@peoplepc.com> wrote in message news:<
>
> I've dismissed my urologist because 1) He's army and was extremely rude
> throughout, especially -during- the operation, whereas when the lydocane was
> not taking, and I was feeling -intense- pain, he merely laughed, "..what,
> are you from SanFransisco or something? Take it like a man! What's wrong
> with you?!" etc.
A regular jerk. My doc. was a former navy "surgeon" and he was very
good about this, asking throughout if I was feeling any pain. Also he
prescrited a couple days worth of antibiotic "just in case."
>2) Further visits have yielded that I'm normal and
> this is all normal and just "...deal with it." Another urologist (sadly
> army I think) is annoyed with my 3 calls to him as a referral, but agreed to
> see me tomorrow, and has at least a slightly better "bedside manner" so far.
>
> Sadly, when he examines me tomorrow, he'll probably check my prostate, which
> will probably suck. Hopefully my prostate is enlarged (wow, I thought I'd
> never say that!) and antibiotics will be the solution. I'll keep you all
> posted!
Well, this would prob. be good news, as you say. Although prostate
probs. can be hard to diagnose and treat.
>
>
> Current symptoms at 5 weeks:
> almost no ejac (rusty looking, final amount oozes out, and is gel-like)
> urination strength less (but recently slightly better) at about 75% normal
> pain in lower abdomen like a pressure (usually relieved by removal of any
> pressure like boxers)
This does sound like a prostate prob., including the weird ejac. and
urination.
> testis ache mildly (I guess this can be expected) on and off
Yes. I wouldn't say this is that unusual. I had some of this for
about a year and still get it occasionally. But ejac. takes care of
it.
> open wound of non-stitch incision healed at about 90% now
> some leakage (?) from urethra after ejac for several hours (very small
> amount)
>
> Wish me luck!
ok!
Mike Cronis
differens (or something like that.. pretty much "the tubes") are probably
inflamed and prescribed Neproxin (Aleve)sp? which is an anti-inflamatory.
This seems to work pretty well for the lower-abdominal pain, and makes it
sort of a warm-burn (which is far better than the 2x4-to-the-gut feeling I
was having. By using this, most of the pain is gone. Today, pain is much
less WITHOUT the Neproxin! Strange but great! I'll continue to take the
drugs as needed, and keep everyone posted.
I had this procedure done because my wife cannot have kids due to health
reasons, and other forms of birth-control don't work very well, and I
was -told- this procedure I had done was a piece of cake, with little pain,
etc., etc. Somehow the odds were against me though. I guess I should play
the lottery.
After 1 month today, pain is subsiding. I figure God was tired of hearing
my prayers. ;) I'll keep everyone posted. Pain is 1 or 2/10 now.
Mike
"David" <da...@brown6669.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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Jason Anderson
admit, your stories were making me squirm a little. Can't imagine what it
must have been like for you.
Take care of yourself, and stay away from the military docs ;)
Jason
"Mike Cronis" <mikean...@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
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"Mike Cronis" <mikean...@peoplepc.com> wrote in message news:<ttm40ml...@corp.supernews.com>...
> Hm. Well the docs did a series of tests on me, and figure that my vas
> differens (or something like that.. pretty much "the tubes") are probably
> inflamed and prescribed Neproxin (Aleve)sp? which is an anti-inflamatory.
> This seems to work pretty well for the lower-abdominal pain, and makes it
> sort of a warm-burn (which is far better than the 2x4-to-the-gut feeling I
> was having. By using this, most of the pain is gone. Today, pain is much
> less WITHOUT the Neproxin! Strange but great! I'll continue to take the
> drugs as needed, and keep everyone posted.
Sounds like you are on the mend at last. Are your ejacs. returning to
normal, too? BTW, were these docs. also military, or did you find
some civilian (civil) ones?
Steve Law
And don't forget the Ice, Ice, and more Ice.
Place it on the wounded area. The benefits are more than just reduced
swelling and pain relief, it has also been shown that ice treatments
aid in reducing scarring, even well after the scar tissue has formed.
This would include the internal scarring, not just the skin scarring
due to the incision.
BTW: Pain can be disassociated, that is it may 'feel' to be in a
different part of the body, than the injury itself - more true with
internal injuries. (Such as my boss, he is such a pain in my ass - and
he is not even a urologist.)
And, yes, please keep us posted.
Steve L
"Been There, Done That, Still Paying the Price"
David
> (Such as my boss, he is such a pain in my ass - and
> he is not even a urologist.)
Isn't that their Raison d'etre"? Mine spends all his working day drinking
coffee, smoking cigarettes and plotting to make people's lives miserable,
and his evenings shagging the artificial blonde in the office.
Dontcha just love 'em??
David