Question about unloading pre-vas
Foolscap
unloading several times in the 24 hours prior to my Monday morning
appointment with the Yankee Clipper? Intutitively, it seems to make
sense to go in as close to empty as possible, but if three or four
live rounds before the procedure will only trick my body into thinking
it needs toproduce more swimmers (sort of a demand-based thing), then
I would think to lay off in the two or three days prior. Thoughts?
Thanks.
trifold
I think we make swimmers at a constant rate, so you won't trick the
boys into working overtime by running down the inventory. Which is not
to say I don't endorse going into the vas doc as empty as possible. (I
did!). Some good reasons: 1) Tension release--waiting is the hardest
part! 2) Some docs say to wait a week or more (eeeeps!) after vas
before ejac.--and that's a looong time to wait! (You'll be
uncomfortable enough without being nail-biting horny as well.) 3)
It's just possible flushing the vas tubes right before your vasectomy
*will* reduce the waiting time before the all clear, since sperm are
slowly moving from the testicles up the pipeline to the "jumping off
point" on a constant basis. It's sperm that gets caught on the cock
end of the vas tubes after vasectomy that sometime show up in semen
samples after. (But frankly, you will clear that stuff out the first
few ejacs. after the vas in any case.) Finally, the last good reason
for ejaculating as often as possible before the vasectomy is . . .
4) WHY NOT?
Giraud
basis" reminds me of my wonderings [still] about the mechanism of sperm
movment on ejaculation:
There are two possibilities - one is that sperm movement through the vas is
constant and not dependent on ejaculation (i.e. they leave the balls/epi
when ready). The other is that ejecuation causes movement. A third
possibility is that they move constantly, but there is a bigger surge at
ejaculation.
Anyway, I've seen the statement on various web sites that ejaculation *does*
cause sperm movement through the vas. But since it takes 70 days from
creation to when they "jump off," this causality doesn't quite make sense.
It somehow makes more sense to me that they pool up on a continual basis...
And since there is no "holding chamber" from the vas down to the balls (the
epi, as I understand it, is a convoluted tube, not a chamber, per se),
there'd be no place where the "surge" could come from!
I'd still love to know more of the exact mechanics of it, since if
ejaculation does not cause movement in the vas (or very little), a
vasectomy is further removed from the ejaculation process, whereas if
ejaculation causes lots of movement through the vas, the vasectomy could
potentially change the mechanics of ejaculation more...
OK, sorry if I worded this in the most unclear way possible! ;)
Giraud
ROB
OK, here goes. Sperm move along at a constant rate and they do *JUMP*
off. They have to charge the fuel cells and mature( about 1 week).
Going in empty won't really matter unless you go off at least 10 times
before, yes that's 10 times. Just the thought of 10 ejaculations makes
my balls hurt. Trifold, you owe me a new keyboard damnit !! That was
just too damned funny!
All good medicine,
GREENFEATHER
trifold
Giraud <gir...@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<1vLDa.72$bF2....@news.uswest.net>...
> I know I've asked this before, but your statement about "on a constant
> basis" reminds me of my wonderings [still] about the mechanism of sperm
> movment on ejaculation:
>
> There are two possibilities - one is that sperm movement through the vas is
> constant and not dependent on ejaculation (i.e. they leave the balls/epi
> when ready). The other is that ejecuation causes movement. A third
> possibility is that they move constantly, but there is a bigger surge at
> ejaculation.
>
> Anyway, I've seen the statement on various web sites that ejaculation *does*
> cause sperm movement through the vas. But since it takes 70 days from
> creation to when they "jump off," this causality doesn't quite make sense.
> It somehow makes more sense to me that they pool up on a continual basis...
> And since there is no "holding chamber" from the vas down to the balls (the
> epi, as I understand it, is a convoluted tube, not a chamber, per se),
> there'd be no place where the "surge" could come from!
>
> I'd still love to know more of the exact mechanics of it, since if
> ejaculation does not cause movement in the vas (or very little), a
> vasectomy is further removed from the ejaculation process, whereas if
> ejaculation causes lots of movement through the vas, the vasectomy could
> potentially change the mechanics of ejaculation more...
>
> OK, sorry if I worded this in the most unclear way possible! ;)
>
> Giraud
I have to say, after some more web research, I am still confused about
what happens to sperm during ejac. Fact is, the information out there
is contradictory on almost every single point re: the little guys's
travels from balls out, except at the last. Sites seem to agree that
right before being ejaculated they gather in the ampullae, then are
joined by other stuff comprising semen (goo from seminal vesicles,
prostate, etc) before being ejaculated, when they end up in the
vagina--or more often in some less hospitable clime (like the shower
drain, bed sheets or bathroom ceiling). But the path from testicles
to that point is not consistently described. Some sites definitely
refer to contractions at ejac. moving sperm from epidydimi into the
vas tubes proper and out. Others make clear after leaving the epi,
sperm still have weeks to go before arriving at the jump off point.
Some refer to sperm swimming in the vas tubes. Some say they can't
swim till later. Some say they are moved along from epi (or even
within the vas tubes) by slow contractions and the gentle movement of
hairlike structures lining the walls. Others describe the hairlike
things helping movement within the epi only, insisting movement
through the vas tubes is by slow, constant muscle contraction. While
others say the contractions occur at ejac. To be honest, I'm
astonished by the lack of clarity on these points (and I've looked at
a wide range of sites, some quite technical and seemingly
authoritative).
My guess is that your "door number 3" describes the reality. That
there is constant movement of sperm through the vas tubes, but that at
ejac. stuff happens all along the line to move things on, initiating
movement out of the epi for some swimmers, and a surge of movement all
along the vas tubes which moves others up the line by a notch. This
would suggest I gave bad advice re: whether it is a good idea to
ejaculate alot right before vasectomy if you want to shorten the time
before the all clear, since each ejaculation might force a few more
swimmers out of the epi into the pipeline, where some would end up
stranded on the prostate side of the seal after vasectomy. Oh well, I
bet the guy enjoyed his weekend anyway!
I agree w/you that the question of how much the vas tubes are affected
by ejaculation *could* have relevance for how men experience
ejaculation after vasectomy. So it would be interesting to find a
definitive answer. But I haven't found one. It occurs to me, one
source of the seeming confusion might be that sites are not precise
about distinguishing between various sections of the pipeline
extending from testicles on up: in speaking of this pipeline, they
could run together the epididymi (inside the testicles), the section
of tube just outside the testicle, the midsections, and the sections
that run into the ampullae themselves. It is possible different
things happen at ejac. in different parts of these tubes.
I dunno. (But I will say, if you do a search on "sperm transport" you
will find that there is *much* more information on what happens to
sperm after we've had our fun--that is, on the part of their journey
that goes on from tip of dick to ovum within the woman.)
I hope someone can find out more!
trifold
http://www.vasectomy-information.com
trifold
>
> OK, here goes. Sperm move along at a constant rate and they do *JUMP*
> off. They have to charge the fuel cells and mature( about 1 week).
> Going in empty won't really matter unless you go off at least 10 times
> before, yes that's 10 times.
How do you know it's 10 times?
>Just the thought of 10 ejaculations makes
> my balls hurt.
Well, the guy did have the weekend!
ROB
> mrtwe...@prodigy.net (ROB) wrote in message news:
> >
> > OK, here goes. Sperm move along at a constant rate and they do *JUMP*
> > off. They have to charge the fuel cells and mature( about 1 week).
> > Going in empty won't really matter unless you go off at least 10 times
> > before, yes that's 10 times.
>
> How do you know it's 10 times?
clear, so that would thin the herd as it were.
>
> >Just the thought of 10 ejaculations makes
> > my balls hurt.
>
> Well, the guy did have the weekend!
think about! I've had occasion to have 6 ejaculations in a 12 hour
period and my balls hurt for 2 days afterwards!
>
> trifold
> http://www.vasectomy-information.com
All good medicine,
GREENFEATHER
Jason G
>
> I still stand by my first comment that it makes my balls hurt to
>think about! I've had occasion to have 6 ejaculations in a 12 hour
>period and my balls hurt for 2 days afterwards!
And how long was your hand in a brace? :-)
--
Jason G
"I walked all around town today and it was fun, but now I am very married."
--Me to front desk clerk in Costa Rica,
confusing two similar Spanish words.
Fletcher
I wonder if this may be the reason I'm having a loss of sensation during orgasm?
Fletcher
trif...@netscape.net (trifold) wrote in message news:<f6289b53.03060...@posting.google.com>...
trifold
fletche...@yahoo.com (Fletcher) wrote in message news:<9b6cb964.03061...@posting.google.com>...
> I would like more facts on this myself.
> I wonder if this may be the reason I'm having a loss of sensation during orgasm?
Well, keep in mind, we are still not certain the vas tubes do anything
during ejac. in non-vasectomised guys, esp. the part of the tubes that
are closer to the testicles (and so likely to end up on the "wrong"
side of the vas. cut). Also, we're not sure, assuming they contract
during ejac. before vasectomy, that they don't continue to do it
afterward. Even more important, from my point of view: it's hard for
me to imagine that even if the vas tubes *do* contract during ejac.
normally, and stop doing it after vasectomy, that those contractions
could contribute much to the total experience of ejaculation/orgasm.
I mean think about it: even the websites that mention the vas tubes
contracting during ejac. spend a lot more time talking about the more
dramatic stuff that is going on during ejac. For example, the
contractions of the prostate and ampullae (where semen and other goo
gathers right before you shoot), and things that happen inside your
cock. It is these contractions (esp. in the prostate) that account
for the force of ejac.: If you doubt this, get a mirror and watch the
area between your balls and asshole while you're cumming one day:
there are visible contractions under the skin there while you
shoot--and several after. (Better yet, have your wife/gf press her
thumb there while she she brings you off, and have her report--once
you catch your breath, that is!). These contractions in my experience
correspond to the pulses of pleasure I experience during orgasm. My
view is that all this other stuff is so powerful by comparison to
whatever might happen to the vas tubes during ejac. (and I emphasize
*might*), that I don't see how vasectomy could make a difference. (I
can say for sure that I have noticed no difference in my ejac/orgasms
since my vasectomy about 5 years ago, unless maybe that it takes me
longer to stop twitching afterwards.)
I guess I'm saying that if you are still experiencing a loss of
sensation, you should ask your doctor about it so he can look into
causes. (Prostate problems might be to blame.)
trifold