Ejaculation feelings
str...@hotmail.com
weird. Did not like it. It was not a pain but an uncomfortableness.
Made me shake and was cold.
This is embarassing. I suffer from PE and once before the fasectomy I
used a restriction deveice to keep the ujaculate from coming out hoping
it would "prolong" me. When I did have an orgasm with this on it hurt
and felt the same way as this does now.
Luan
vasectomy especially of the closed end type. I find it totally different
and for me painfull. I complained to doctors about this change and they
(2 that day) nearly laughed at me. Why would you expect the feelings to
be the same? The sperm cannot travel up the vas anymore.... I could feel
that happening and the vas pulsating. Now the vas is injured and the
sperm is trapped and pressure cannot release. This is a different feeling
to be sure and you will need to adjust to it. In my case the change went
to severe pain that disables me and trashes the pleasure of orgasm. What
do most men feel? My guess is that we will never accurately know because
most men lie or refuse to talk this. My brain does not recognize the
different and painful sensations I have now as orgasm. This makes sex
something that is not happening to "me" anymore but rather something that
happens to some part of my body that is no longer connected as it was
before. What you are supposed to do as I understand it is to learn to
like the pain and get pleasure from pain from now on. Can you do that?
Hope you have good luck doing this. My present local doctor tells me this
is what happens sometimes. He says pleasure and pain are so close they can
be interchanged. I decided maybe many men don't think of sex as pleasure
anyway so they are feeling evil or something and they feel they deserve
pain in sex so vasectomy is fine if it results in some mild pain. How
else can I explain the nightmare I am living after vasectomy? How else
can I forgive the men who misinformed me and the "dirty" doctors who
decided I didn't need this information to help me decide on vasectomy.
Good Luck
trif...@netscape.net
Luan wrote:
> I don't know how men can say there is no difference in ejaculation after
> vasectomy especially of the closed end type.
> (2 that day) nearly laughed at me. Why would you expect the feelings to
> be the same? The sperm cannot travel up the vas anymore.... I could feel
> that happening and the vas pulsating. Now the vas is injured and the
> sperm is trapped and pressure cannot release. This is a different feeling
> to be sure and you will need to adjust to it. In my case the change went
> to severe pain that disables me and trashes the pleasure of orgasm. What
> do most men feel? My guess is that we will never accurately know because
> most men lie or refuse to talk this.
Well, now, that's a great way to dismiss all the evidence and first
hand testimony--mine included--that vasectomy does not change the way
we experience ejaculation and orgasm. I could just as easily dismiss
your claims (which are unusual in my experience) that vasectomy has
ruined things for you. In fact, I am going to do that now: I think
you are a very unreliable source of information about anybody's
orgasms, including your own. You sound a little crazy to me. Sorry.
But since you glibly call all of us liars and sadomasochists, I think
it's only fair to return the favor.
trif...@netscape.net
str...@hotmail.com wrote:
> I had a vasectomy and one week latter had an ejaculation. It felt
> weird. Did not like it. It was not a pain but an uncomfortableness.
> Made me shake and was cold.
It's not unusual for men to approach the first ejac. after vas. with
some concern--or even for it to feel a bit different. (Mine felt even
better.) But don't jump to conclusions just yet. Give it another few
shots.
>
> This is embarassing. I suffer from PE and once before the fasectomy I
> used a restriction deveice to keep the ujaculate from coming out hoping
> it would "prolong" me. When I did have an orgasm with this on it hurt
> and felt the same way as this does now.
Well, I'm not sure exactly what sort of device you were wearing, but if
it was a cockring, it might have restricted the flow of semen from your
prostate on up. Vasectomy has no effect on that flow, restricting only
the movement of sperm into the amupullae, near the prostate. Sperm is
less than 5% of what you shoot when you ejaculate. And I don't believe
it moves from testicles to amupullae during orgasm, but is already
there when you start shooting.
Biker
two weeks after vasectomy were incredibly powerful and very
pleasurable. Now they are back to normal (one month after). It's
definitely not pain. It feels great, actually they are a bit more
intense than they were before vasectomy. And they are very pleasurable.
So I have to say that while you may have your own subjective experience
of what happened to you, you cannot generalize to all men.
Unknown
wrote:
> What
>do most men feel?
I feel absolutely no difference in ejaculation. It's no better and no
worse.
Luan
I also believe it is possible that vasectomy sometimes makes orgasm
better, more pleasurable for a time or even forever. I have a list of 53
men whom I have talked to at least once since my bad outcome and what I
learned confirmed some statments made by doctors. It is difficult to
believe (the fact of) PVPS even when it is a reality of life. It tends to
make life a nightmare that I keep trying to wake up from. Since there is
no good medical information to draw on for self screening we all take/took
a risk of remaining the same, having more pleasure or something less
desirable and possibly ending up crippled and living a pure nightmare.
From my conversations with the 53 men I know the winners are more free
with words than the losers. In fact it is very difficult to get the pvps
victims to talk at all. So I ask the doctor who fixes, as best he can,
PVPS problems. He says 3% to 9% have PVPS after vasectomy. Another
doctor I was seeking reversal surgery from told me he tells his vasectomy
patients 5% to 10% will end up with long term chronic pain. Pretty
significant numbers to be brushed off as RARE or unimportant or just not
mentioned at all. I believe about 20% of men would not have vasectomy if
they had the decision to make over again. The discomforts and problems
Post Vasectomy are many and varied and range all the way from acceptable
to terrible. In light of this reality confirmed by my own friends and
neighbors and told to me by Doctors who work daily with men I began to ask
the general public what they know about PVPS. I ask in the check-out line
WalMart, I ask everyone that comes to my workshop for repairs, I ask
people in the waiting room at the hospital, I tell of my problems and I
ask many. Finally I find one person who knows of a man who has PVPS. I
asked about 120 people before I found one and he (my orginal SCUBA diving
instructor) knew a man who complains of constant pain since vasectomy but
he did not know anymore about PVPS than this. Many of the people I asked
knew a man with PVPS who was already known to me, but they never heard of
it!
Every Man who has PVPS has to lie about it sometimes. I did quite often
in the beginning and made excuses for my doctor visits and I will continue
to do this in certain situations. In the workplace it is impossible to NOT
LIE sometimes. I have NOT told the people in the Bangkok Office that I
have PVPS. In Thailand vasectomy is not something upper-class men do.
Vasectomy is for the poor rural people. No man in a position of managment
would do this so I told everyone I had another problem. Even I lie about
vasectomy problems sometimes. So please know, if you ask a man if he has
a problem with vasectomy he may lie to you depending on the situation.
All men will lie about it sometimes. And I forgive this because I
understand it. I know I cannot believe the first statment a man makes
when asked. At home here I am able to say anything because nobodies
thoughts or actions affect my business or my life here. I am highly
respected and have good friends. Luan
David
without source. And I do NOT regard data based on men you don't know that
you accost in a Walmart checkout queue as being particularly valid either.
There aren't any reliable statistics that quote anywhere near your
estimates - period. Most responsible researchers and studies will
acknowledge that PVP exists, and also will suggest that men should be
informed there is a risk of PVP, but most research of note will not give an
incidence figure, as it's impossible tio calculate one.
There is a simple reason, as explained in the full text version of Vasectomy
surgical techniques: a systematic review. Labrecque M, Dufresne C, Barone
MA, St-Hilaire K. BMC Med. 2004 May 24;2:21.
"In most studies, assessment of post-vasectomy complications was based on
unsystematic, self referred unblinded medical consultations with no
objective criteria and no timing and length of follow up specified. All the
preceding pitfalls contribute to the overall low methodological quality of
most currently available comparitive studies on vasectomy occlusion
techniques".
I'd suggest that in the main, pvp exists in cyberspace. I personally believe
that some men do have long term problems with vasectomy. I'm not sure you
are one of them, as you have stated in the past that you had painful
ejaculations and other problems for some 20 years before you had your
vasectomy.
I've had an email conversation with a doctor who specialises in vasectomy
discussing PVP. UK practices who participate in one of the trade bodies now
publish practice audits of complications as part of the membership
agreement. He is of the opinion that it doesn't exist due to not actually
having seen any in practice.
In a similar vein, most men ask a few of the people they know about
vasectomy prior to having it done. Nearly always most men asking about it
will NOT find men with problems. I'm sure you will accuse them of all being
liars.
This is the problem you have when you inflate percentages to further a
ause - the very people you seek to convince cease believing you. Your
fellow men will contrast the cyberspace information with what they learned
from people they know, and dismiss the cyber "Evidence". Doctors will be
less inclined to take men that genuinely have problems with the seriousness
they deserve.
--
David
www.vasectomy-information.com
www.vasectomy-faq.org
http://vasectomy-news.blogspot.com
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peegee
this is a typical post from yourself. Pour water on others with any
other opinions than yourself.
Not everyone has to back things up with exact figures - inflated or
otherwise. The sentiment should be enough.
Often good posts are lost in the "jokes" that seem to follow the stuff
that should really matter in these posts.
The overall problem here is "men" don't like to even admit they had it
done - let alone there maybe a problem afterwards. .
Therefore whatever figures you can quote may only be the tip of an
iceberg!!! Even you can't deny that - surely.
So who's got the best figures - who cares.
Lets just understand that the problem mentioned in posts are
potentially bigger and wider than we'd all like to consider.
>From personal experience:
My father (20+ years on since his vas) still won't discuss it and is
certainly not advocating anyone beat a path to get it done themselves.
Of course he's and others like him are unlikely to figure in the
"stats".
That speaks volumes to me.
A close friend who was "done" more recently still wont discuss their
outcome and if things are ok.
Hardly the sort of feedback that would make us comfortable with going
through with the procedure - let alone believe any stats that may be a
true reflection or not.
These peoples and others who quietly "put up and shutup" don't figure
in anything your pushing forward.
Its not a question of believing or dismissing what others say - just
understanding alternative perspectives.
Thanks
PeeGee.
Giraud
Clearly, all of us here are examples of the opposite. But if it is true
that men do not want to discuss it - why?
Is it embarassment about having an operation done on one's nuts? Is it
a belief that others will see it as emasculating (perhaps because the
man feels this himself)? Is it not wanting to admit that you are no
longer a "fertile man" - because that implies loss of "power" (Luan's
statement about Thailand businessmen prompted this thought)? Is he
perhaps afraid women will be turned off by an infertile man? Anyone
care to speculate?
-Giraud
peegee wrote:
> The overall problem here is "men" don't like to even admit they had it
> done - let alone there maybe a problem afterwards. .
>
Doug
don't mention it because it is relatively minor. I frequently read in the
new group guys saying that they have no real problems or no problems except
the occasional twinge, ache, pain, pull, or whatever. The bottom line is
most of these guys had no pains at all before their vas and after they have
some minor pains that they don't consider bothersome. I would say for most
these pain are so minor and infrequent that it's not a problem to them at
all.
The problem I have is they frequently don't mention these minor pains when
asked and this skews the stats and can cause a person to make the wrong
decision. For example I suffer from PVPS. Before my vas I asked several
friends and co-workers that I knew had vas's about there vas. They all said
no problem at all, all is well, and I have no pain at all. Foolishly because
I did not see any red flags from the people I asked I only did a internet
search on "vasectomy" and all I returned was mostly medical sites showing
what it was and all the benefits. With no red flags I foolishly never
thought to do a search for "vasectomy problems" or vasectomy pain" one of
the dumbest things I have ever done.
Had one of the people that I asked said one peep about pain that would have
been a big red flag to me. Knowing 10% of what I know today I am sure I
would have never taken the risk knowing my luck.
So how do I know guys dismiss PVP (yes minor PVP is what I am talking about)
I confronted them all and asked them. Yes, every one of them finally
admitted they do have the occasional twinge, ache, pain, pull, or whatever.
Had any one of them told me the facts (however minor) I believe I would have
investigated better and ultimately decided not to get a vas.
I am glad that I am seeing more and more sites stress the fact that PVP is
possible and that it happens in more men them previously thought at some
level however minor.
Though still many even doctors are ignorant of PVP including my general
doctor that referred me for the vas. While at my general doctors I found
another doctor (general practitioner) that had a vas 6 months ago and is
suffering form PVP. He never knew about PVP before he was a suffer of PVP
himself. I just wish I knew about PVP before I had the vas. Sure hind site
is always 20/20 live and learn if it isn't broke don't fix it.
In a few weeks I go for my reversal and I will be sure to post about the
results. Now the reversal is something that I researched the living
daylights out of measured in weeks or months not minutes or hours. At this
point, I have to take a shot at being normal again.
And yes I will be the first to admit that if I had only the occasional
twinge, ache, pain, pull, or whatever I probably would have never found this
site because I would have never researched a vas any further then I did. I
would have been like most of you pleased. Though I will say, I would have
told people about the occasional twinge, ache, pain, pull, or whatever
because I never had a single twinge, ache, pain, pull, or whatever before
the vas.
Doug
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David
> other opinions than yourself.
I'd say it isn't a typical post personally. Just because I express an
opinion, that doesn't class as "pouring waters" anymore than other posters,
or inflame like other posters do. And if you read my posts, I don't
routinely go around accusing people of inflaming - this is one of the very
rare occasions that I've made a comment like this.
> Not everyone has to back things up with exact figures - inflated or
> otherwise. The sentiment should be enough.
When you are quoting figures we ALL have a responsibility to be accurate and
quote source. If you are expressing sentiment, or opinion that's absolutely
fine - call it what it is and don't call it statistics.
> Often good posts are lost in the "jokes" that seem to follow the stuff
> that should really matter in these posts.
The forum doesn't exist to discuss PVP solely.
> The overall problem here is "men" don't like to even admit they had it
> done - let alone there maybe a problem afterwards. .
>
> Therefore whatever figures you can quote may only be the tip of an
> iceberg!!! Even you can't deny that - surely.
> Lets just understand that the problem mentioned in posts are
> potentially bigger and wider than we'd all like to consider.
I have never argued against under-reporting. My problem is the fact any
under-reporting guestimates here are in the main based on "Official" figures
that have been plucked out of thin air in the first place. I see no problem
in pointing this out.
> Its not a question of believing or dismissing what others say - just
> understanding alternative perspectives.
And believe it or not, not only do I understand this - I actually achieve
the goal of informing men considering vasectomy of these potential risks -
big time.
I don't know how many people read this forum, but judging from the number of
posts a lot less than you'd think. Contrast that with the website that last
week had some 15,000 unique visitors. Note unique visitors and not raw hits.
Virtually all visitors waft in on general search term Vasectomy, and many,
many men wander out with a lot to think about. Pages that discuss problems
always draw many more visitors than pages that dont, likewise the stories
that are negative ones have many more hits. People who come to the website
are looking for this information.
OK - they don't find it in the form many some people here would like it to
be, but the difference is that because of the balance that exists between
positive and negative, people go away BELIEVING IT. Based on the feedback at
both the site, and that I've had in person, the site makes people stop and
think, and does indeed make a lot of men change their minds based on factors
they hadn't considered. And due to the large number of visitors, we are
talking a lot of men.
So back to the points I made originally:-
Scaremongering with plucked out of the air figures achieves nothing. Well,
the main thing it does achieve is to convince men considering vasectomy that
those men are cranks. Some men will be convinced, but the vast majority of
men won't be. People view information they see in the web very critically
nowadays, and it's my opinion that if you want men to believe that pvp
exists you need to do it with information that's accurate, believable and
sourced.
It's not a case that I don't believe men - it's a case that if you want to
convince men considering vasectomy that it exists you have to make a
believable case to them. They WILL contrast it with the personal reports
they have had from freinds and family. It's my understanding that the reason
many men post here about problems is to warn others off. That's one of the
purposes of the group. My opinion is that if you want to do this, simply
make it count - quoting statistics based on accosting men in a Walmart
checkout queue is really not going to be a convincing argument, and I
caution against such nonsense.
4rest
I was a 15 year old with a new toy. After 2 months they were pretty
"normal"; IE, like prior to the procedure. Then, after I went back into
the heavy physical agenda, I noticed a feeling like there was
"something crawling on my left testicle..like a bug"...just prior to
ejaculation. That lasted about 3-4 weeks, then everything was exactly,
or a little better, than prior to the snip. No pain, no wierd
sensations....just good. I am now 8 months post...Would do it again in
a heartbeat!
4rest
MRVAS...@gmail.com
is the word I'm looking for here. We can screw like rabbits anywhere,
anytime the mood strikes us now without fear of M getting pregnant.
All good medicine,
GREENFEATHER
Luan
results. Now the reversal is something that I researched the living
daylights out of measured in weeks or months not minutes or hours. At
this
point, I have to take a shot at being normal again.
Hi Doug,
I trust you have done your homework this time. Finding a reversal
specialist (for pain) is 1000 times more difficult than to find the
orginal AX man. You have my best wishes and more for your attempt at
being "normal again". I too will Put down my money (up front $10,100) and
take a shot at being normal sometime in the next 2 months. Tomorrow I will
see doctor number 22 and ask some questions but I don't plan on learning
much more. At this point I know a lot more than most doctors concerning
PVPS but this new Doc was a partner of my late brother-in-law so maybe he
will take a little personal interest in me and try to answer a few
questions or research a little into my case. He comes to this rural
hospital once a month from Minneaplois to the small nearby airport in his
plane so as a fellow pilot we will have some friendly conversation I
think. The nurses tell me he loves to fly and enjoys his visits when he
can come by air. My appointment is for the unexplained bleeding I had 3
weeks ago.
As I sit here at 3 am the orginal discomfort that is the feeling of a
weight tied to my testicles (2 pounds for anyone intertrested, just tie it
on and walk around for a few hours if you are really interested in what PVP
feels like, or try sleeping, I find that very difficult too) has fully
returned after the hormone therapy was stopped on 13 october. I have the
feeling of fatigue in my right leg nearly all the time and it is
increasing. I fear the strong pains might return too if I have to wait
too long using nothing for relief. The doc told me to wait 3 months after
hormone medication so he has the best chance to make the reversal. I hope
he agrees to do it a bit sooner as I know there is plenty of something
building up already.
I keep thinking of what one doctor told me. He said he would absolutely
not do a vasectomy on a man over 50 and he considered 45 to be the "cut
off" age limit. When asked why he simply said, "The outcome is often not
good." Well, I can add to his evidence and tell him why if he is
interested. In my case it is pure physical pain, sometimes extreme, that
is all he would need to hear to know my outcome is not good but there is a
lot more. Sometime after age 35 my sexual expereince began to change. I
was not aware of what could happen, how intergrated sex could become in my
brain. Many of my friends were reporting a down-hill type of experience
and most a less frequent type of sex life but that did not happen to me.
I recall in my early 40s hoping that I would lose some interest in sex so
I could get more sleep! However,I simply followed my bliss. Every day is
an adventure and unknown as I had no routine, weather was the biggest
factor in my life as a farmer and pilot. In this free style of life
things evolved as they will and by age 50 I was having a different sexual
experience completely than at age 35. I knew I was different from almost
every man I talked to because they said strange things to me. One
example: It seems to be assumed that any man can walk into the toilet at
the vasectomy clinic and come out a few minutes later with a sample of
seman for the test. Maybe I could have done that at age 35 I am not sure
but I know for the past 20 years absolutely NO, even with all the
"magazines". I'll get to the point. THE OUTCOME IS OFTEN NOT GOOD not
because of severe physical pain necessairly but because of a change in the
sensations that trigger the brain to allow orgasm to completely engulf the
nervous system. Lovemaking is a fine art and the body parts involved are
the instruments. If you smoke or drink you may never get to the place
where you actually learn some fine sexual music. At age 30 or 35 most men
are still playing chop sticks or jingle bells. I have had 6
brothers-in-law and scores of men dated my identical twin sisters. I
heard them discuss men (I am 3 years younger) and I knew many of these men
and I knew exactly what they were doing. I know most men never get beyond
the simple stages of sexual accomplishments. This has nothing to do with
how many partners, or how often either but it has to do with where the
orgasm takes you. When you say "normal" I think I understand what you
mean. With the change of vasectomy you find sex something less than
before. In my case - the brain doesn't recognize what happens Post
Vasectomy as sex. It is ejaculation but the discomfort present and
missing sensations at that time blocks the release and it all dies there.
In 15 months there is almost no improvment so I doubt it will be possible
to by-pass this. I compare it to trying to play classical music on a
violin with a string cut off, or trying to play piano with fingers broken.
It is impossible unless the tunes you play are very basic and easy to play
with two fingers or 2 or 3 strings. I also told many that sex after
vasectomy is like fireworks that never explode. The rocket goes up but no
stars! No color, no report! When I talk to a man who says,"Vasectomy
didn't make any difference" to him I know one of two things. I am talking
with a blind man or I was blinded because I had sight before vasectomy
which makes vasectomy a mistake! Maybe it is possible to learn some "fine
music" after vasectomy but like a pianist with fingers missing it may be
more difficult and less likely. For a man to damage his instrument
intentionally after he is an accomplished artist is a stupid mistake. It
is most likely the outcome will not be good. Here's my best wish for you
to have reversal and heal up and continue with your sexual development,
hopefully you will finally find a silver linning in this black cloud. For
me I sincerely believe smoking, drinking and vasectomy are generally
dangerous to health (and especially sexual health). I know many men will
continue to think they can prove something by using all these things. I
plan to interview the doctor who told me of the age limits he observed to
see what he has to report. I never heard of this from any other doctor.
Luan
trif...@netscape.net
Luan wrote:
> I also told many that sex after
> vasectomy is like fireworks that never explode. The rocket goes up but no
> stars! No color, no report! When I talk to a man who says,"Vasectomy
> didn't make any difference" to him I know one of two things. I am talking
> with a blind man or I was blinded because I had sight before vasectomy
> which makes vasectomy a mistake!
Well, there you go again. It seems you are trying to say that all the
men who say vasectomy didn't change sex for them or even made it better
are only saying this because they were never as good at sex as you were
before your vasectomy. What a load of crap. In another post you did
something similar, rejecting what they say by claiming that they have
the same pain you say you have, but enjoy it, so they don't complain.
Another load of crap.
>Maybe it is possible to learn some "fine
> music" after vasectomy but like a pianist with fingers missing it may be
> more difficult and less likely. For a man to damage his instrument
> intentionally after he is an accomplished artist is a stupid mistake. It
> is most likely the outcome will not be good.
Many men report sex gets better after vasectomy. I think the main
reason is probably that they stop worrying about making babies, they
can do it more spontaneously, etc. This probably applies especially to
men using rubbers--who, I suppose (to stick with your musical
metaphor), before the vasectomy were playing their trumpets with the
mute installed. Another reason--and this could apply to rubber users
as well as those of us whose wives were bearing the brunt of birth
control--is that taking responsibility for bc can deepen a man's
relationship with his partner. You seem to think that having sex is
something a man does to a woman. But in fact, they do it together.
Making "fine music" is not something a man can do by himself. It takes
a partner. For most of us, vasectomy doesn't get in the way but makes
things better.
I sympathize with men for whom vasectomy does get in the way,
especially those who experience pain after vasectomy. There are
multiple ways of treating this problem, and this newsgroup and its
related website have always been places for discussing these treatments
. But it seems you alternate between claiming pain is the cause of
your problems, which I could understand, and that vasectomy by its very
nature necessarily changes the experience of sex, which I reject. I
also reject the tactics you resort to, when you claim that anyone who
disagrees with you about how vasectomy affects their sex life is just
fooling himself. Or that they need you to tell them what good sex
really is, which seems to be the kind of sex you claim to have had
before your vasectomy. (I leave aside for now any comments about what
kind of sex that was. Those who are curious can look over your various
posts, which include some pretty wild accounts.)
Unknown
>Well, there you go again.
I don't even bother to read his rants anymore.
Doug
I had my reversal last wed and I will post some updates when I feel better.
I developed a painful hematoma in my pelvis that I am dealing with.
One thing I will say is I was awake for the whole thing and as soon as the
doc cut the vas going to the testicles sperm came flowing out and kept
coming out confirming that I was not nuts I did feel the pressure in my
nuts.
Doug
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