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john

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Feb 28, 2002, 5:18:32 AM2/28/02
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has anyone else experienced the following; all sexual functions normal
following the vasecomy except the orgasam during ejaculation. The
build up is normal but the ejaculation is just like a squirting
feeling, with no associated orgasam, pleasure , or satisfaction. There
does not appear to be any release of endorthins and sense of 'high'.
The testicals do not feel to be envolved anymore(no feeling of shudder
or wave through the area). The first ejaculation after the op was
accompanied by a mild tingling in the testicals , but nothing since.
The op was carried out 2 weeks ago. Has anyone else experienced
similar? if so, did it resolve itself? did you find a cure? has anyone
suffered this longterm, and if so, would it be restored to normal by
having a reversal?

trifold

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Feb 28, 2002, 10:06:11 AM2/28/02
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DROVE...@SUPANET.COM (john) wrote in message news:<41c6a9f0.02022...@posting.google.com>...

Ummm. . .No, I didn't experience this. My orgasms are just as
mindblowing as ever, and certainly wrack every fiber of my being. But
orgasms are more subjective than people think--that is, more in your
head (the one on top of your shoulders). If you lie there worrying
about whether it will feel right, it's likely it won't. It's
interesting what you say about feeling your testicles aren't involved.
I did worry a bit about this before my vasectomy. I think most men
think of their testicles as the source of their orgasm--after all,
they move around as you get excited and pull up just before you shoot.
For eons they have been the focus of our attention (maybe because
they feel good to play with--and even more importantly, hurt if they
are banged). Nature wants us to focus on them because nature wants us
to breed (even more than it wants us to feel good). So I worried that
after disconnecting them, I would begin feeling about them
differently. Well, it didn't happen. They still respond to being
played with, bringing me along with them. They still move around as I
get excited. They still move up before I explode. My advice to you
is to relax. Reversal is costly, painful, risky (more risky than the
original vasectomy, probably). And it won't change your sexual
feeling--unless it is all in your head.

trifold

David

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Feb 28, 2002, 2:31:49 PM2/28/02
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"john" <DROVE...@SUPANET.COM> wrote in message
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I'm the same as Trifold - no change in sensation.

Assuming things were normal before the vasectomy, I do wonder if you are
subconciously worried that energetic bouts of sex might put back your
recovery. Is there any swelling, bruising or unusual pains that you are
experiencing?

I think considering a reversal is a bit premature. What prompted you to have
a vasectomy in the first instance?

I would personally be inclined to have a chat with the doctor to check all
is OK physically.

David

www.vasectomy-information.com


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john

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Mar 1, 2002, 2:32:13 PM3/1/02
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"David" <da...@brown6669.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:<a5m0k8$441$1...@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>...

> "john" <DROVE...@SUPANET.COM> wrote in message
> news:41c6a9f0.02022...@posting.google.com...
> >
>
> I'm the same as Trifold - no change in sensation.
>
> Assuming things were normal before the vasectomy, I do wonder if you are
> subconciously worried that energetic bouts of sex might put back your
> recovery. Is there any swelling, bruising or unusual pains that you are
> experiencing?
>
> I think considering a reversal is a bit premature. What prompted you to have
> a vasectomy in the first instance?
>
> I would personally be inclined to have a chat with the doctor to check all
> is OK physically.
>
> David
>
> www.vasectomy-information.com

Thanks for the responses. In answer to questions; yes things were
normal before. No serious pains left now, only mild aches
occasionally. Vasectomy was the only practical solution for the
family, it would have been selfish not to have it done simply because
I hated the idea. Besides which, I know a few people who have had it
done - no problems, and I accepted that it should have no effect on
abilities or sensations. It was just the op to go through and that
would be that.
I can only think of 3 possibilities.
a/ That it is, as you suggest, all in the mind.
b/ That the shock and trama of the op desensitised the area temporally
and that things will gradually return to normal.
c/ That although ejaculation does not come from the testicals, some
sort of backpressure wave or similar was travelling back down the vas,
and that this is what is now missing. In which case it should be a
case of getting used to it. The comment about reversal was related to
this, on the basis that if someone had experienced something similar
and had subsequently had a reversal for whatever reason, had the
original feelings come back? Believe me , I am in no rush to hop back
onto a table and have my bits wrenched about again!

David

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Mar 1, 2002, 2:52:20 PM3/1/02
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> My advice
> to all vasectomized men is to get a reversal ASAP before further damage
> occurs or gets worse. World's best is www.earlowen.com.au. And don't
> trust the mainstream medical mafia in future! Wrecked my life, and
> possibly yours too.

Bearing in mind that only a small percentage of men are affected by pvp, why
should all men have to get reversals? In any case, reversal is only one
treatment option.
>
> Trevor.
>
> From www.dontfixit.org forum ...

I'd be very sceptical about any medical advice on that site. I note the
doctor does not give his qualifications. The good doctor may not have his
doctorate in medicine, or he may not even be a doctor at all.

It might be an idea to point out that the above site recommends castration
as the prime treatment for pvp. There are other treatments they recommend -
all drastic surgical ones.

http://www.vasectomy-information.com/asvfaq/display.asp?search=14 Medical
advice on the internet

and

http://www.vasectomy-information.com/asvfaq/display.asp?search=2 The truth
about dontfixit

David

www.vasectomy-information.com


David

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Mar 1, 2002, 5:13:15 PM3/1/02
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> Thanks for the responses. In answer to questions; yes things were
> normal before. No serious pains left now, only mild aches
> occasionally. Vasectomy was the only practical solution for the
> family, it would have been selfish not to have it done simply because
> I hated the idea. Besides which, I know a few people who have had it
> done - no problems, and I accepted that it should have no effect on
> abilities or sensations. It was just the op to go through and that
> would be that.

So did you really hate the idea? Did you feel pressured into it in any way?

I don't mean to be rude in asking this. It is a common theme here that those
who regret vasectomy due to being pressured into it seem to have a much
higher rate of PVP. I do think that it's a bit soon to judge. I've just had
a crown fitted, and it felt reallty weird for a while - I did contemplate
talking to the guy who did it and getting it re-cemented. However, a couple
of weeks later it's fine.

Same with vasectomy but worse. I think that losing one's fertility is much
worse phsycologically than having a tooth replaced, and the effect of this
is often under estimated. It can take time to come to terms with.

David

www.vasectomy-information.com


trifold

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Mar 1, 2002, 10:52:55 PM3/1/02
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Trevor wrote:

>John, you're another silly billy who didn't read my anti-vasectomy
warnings
>on this newsgroup before having yours. Lessening of sexual pleasure
and
>intensity is a common side effect and, unlike condoms, is not
reversible.
>Sounds like your vasectomist (has he had one?) snipped a nerve. My


advice
>to all vasectomized men is to get a reversal ASAP before further
damage
>occurs or gets worse. World's best is www.earlowen.com.au. And
don't
>trust the mainstream medical mafia in future! Wrecked my life, and
>possibly yours too.

Trifold answered:

This is absurd on its face. First, what "nerve" is in the vicinity of
the vas deferens that would affect the sensation of orgasm? Second,
if John's problem is caused by a cut nerve, how would a reversal help
him?

Oh yes, and what is your source for saying that lessening of sexual
pleasure is a common side effect of vasectomy? There is no evidence
of this. Your post is just another example of scare mongering.

trifold

john

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Mar 4, 2002, 11:45:37 AM3/4/02
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trif...@netscape.net (trifold) wrote in message news:<f6289b53.02030...@posting.google.com>...

> Trevor wrote:
>
> >John, you're another silly billy who didn't read my anti-vasectomy
> warnings
> >on this newsgroup before having yours. Lessening of sexual pleasure
> and
> >intensity is a common side effect and, unlike condoms, is not
> reversible.
> >Sounds like your vasectomist (has he had one?) snipped a nerve. My
> advice
> >to all vasectomized men is to get a reversal ASAP before further
> damage
> >occurs or gets worse. World's best is www.earlowen.com.au. And
> don't
> >trust the mainstream medical mafia in future! Wrecked my life, and
> >possibly yours too.
>
>TREVOR,

I HAD BEEN HOPING FOR SOME SOMEWHAT MORE RATIONAL VIEWPOINTS AND
EXPERIENCES, YOU DO SEEM TO BE A LITTLE FANATICAL (NOT TO MENTION
CONDECENDING). FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH I WAS NOT AWARE OF THE WEBSITE
UNTIL AFTER THE OP ANYWAY. IF I HAD NOT BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT THE AFTER
EFFECTS (WHICH THE CONSULTANT REFUSES TO ACCEPT EXIST) THEN I WOULD
NOT HAVE HUNTED FOR ANSWERS. I POINT THIS OUT IN CASE MY EXPERIENCE IS
PUTTING ANYONE OFF HAVING THE OP. THERE ARE A LOT OF STORIES ABOUT
POST VAS. PAIN ETC ON THIS SITE - BUT..... IF I HAD HAD NO PROBLEM
AFTERWARDS, LIKE 97% OR WHATEVER, I WOULDN'T HAVE VISITED THIS SITE.
SO THE SITE IS BOUND TO SHOW A MUCH MUCH HIGHER LEVEL OF PROBLEMS THAN
EXIST ACROSS THE BOARD. I DO BELIEVE I HAVE A GENUINE PROBLEM CAUSED
BY THE OP (HOPEFULLY TEMPORARY) BUT EVEN SO I AM NOT AGAINST
VASECTOMY. I DO THINK THAT MORE WARNINGS OF THE POSSIBLE SIDE EFFECTS
SHOULD BE GIVEN BEFORE THE OP, HOWEVER SMALL THE RISK. IN FACT , IF I
HAD READ THE DISCUSSIONS ON THIS SITE BEFORE, I WOULD STILL HAVE HAD
THE OP, ALTHOUGH I WOULD HAVE HAD AN OPEN ENDED OP RATHER THAN THE
CLOSED ONE I WAS RAIL ROADED INTO.

JOHN

trifold

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Mar 4, 2002, 2:42:59 PM3/4/02
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Hello, John,

>Vasectomy was the only practical solution for the
> family, it would have been selfish not to have it done simply because
> I hated the idea. Besides which, I know a few people who have had it
> done - no problems, and I accepted that it should have no effect on
> abilities or sensations. It was just the op to go through and that
> would be that.
> I can only think of 3 possibilities.
> a/ That it is, as you suggest, all in the mind.
> b/ That the shock and trama of the op desensitised the area temporally
> and that things will gradually return to normal.
> c/ That although ejaculation does not come from the testicals, some
> sort of backpressure wave or similar was travelling back down the vas,
> and that this is what is now missing.

1) It is possible you are still recovering (possibility "b"). Men
heal from this at different rates. Certainly my first few ejacs. were
different. Maybe you are still in that stage.

2)As for possibility "c," if a significant part of ejac. pleasure
comes from something that happens to the vas tubes themselves during
orgasm, then wouldn't all of us feel different after vasectomy? Yet
complaints of decreased pleasure are extremely rare (see our own
online survey and some of the medical sites at the website
www.vasectomy-information.com).

3) My own feeling is that you should not dismiss explanation "a." You
say above you hated the idea of the vasectomy. Also, in replying to
Trevor (the one who called you a "silly billy"), you said you were
"railroaded" into the conventional (as opposed to the open ended)
version. This too suggests you did not go into vasectomy with a glad
heart, so to speak. You may be feeling the results of that. (BTW, if
interruption of the vas tubes is the cause of whatever you are
feeling, or not feeling, then getting the open ended version wouldn't
have made a difference.)

I think you will get back to normal soon. But it might help to talk
about why you hated the idea of vasectomy in the first place.

trifold

john

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Mar 5, 2002, 5:34:00 AM3/5/02
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trif...@netscape.net (trifold) wrote in message news:<f6289b53.02030...@posting.google.com>...

Trifold-
Fair points but consider this for explaination 'c' -
1/ orgasam is a difficult thing to describe and is probably slightly
different for everyone.
2/ sensitivity is also highly variable, all over the body, so it
would be safe to assume that sensitivity in the genital area varies
from person to person too.

Now imagine that every day, for years on end, you have the same
routine when you leave home for work in the morning. Before you pull
out into the road, 3 cats , about 10 seconds apart, run across in
front of your car. You wait for them to get safely across , and then
pull out.
One of the cats has now died, but you don't know this. For how
many days in a row you you sit there waiting pointlessly for a while,
for the third cat to cross, before you assume that you can pull out
after 2 cats?

John

trifold

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Mar 5, 2002, 9:59:46 AM3/5/02
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Hey John,

DROVE...@SUPANET.COM (john) wrote in message news:

> Trifold-
> Fair points but consider this for explaination 'c' -
> 1/ orgasam is a difficult thing to describe and is probably slightly
> different for everyone.
> 2/ sensitivity is also highly variable, all over the body, so it
> would be safe to assume that sensitivity in the genital area varies
> from person to person too.

I can accept both these points. As I said, orgasm is more subjective
than people think. I like your cat metaphor too. But in your
original post you did not talk about a "slightly different" experience
after your vasectomy. You talked about "orgasm failure." You said,


"The build up is normal but the ejaculation is just like a squirting
feeling, with no associated orgasam, pleasure , or satisfaction. There
does not appear to be any release of endorthins and sense of 'high'."

This is not like missing one of the three cats, its like missing all
three! Hell, it's almost like not leaving the driveway!

BTW, has there been any change in your sensation since that first
post? Is there a difference in sensation depending on how the orgasm
is obtained or other circumstances? (BTW, my orgasms definitely vary
in big ways depending on all sorts of things. But I still get some
that are followed by very distinctive "aftershocks"--aftershocks that
cause my whole body to jerk every one and awhile for a minute or too
afterwards. These jerks, I suppose, mark the passing of extra
"cats"--but they are not there everytime, and I can't predict them.)

You said in another post that you hated the idea of vasectomy but went
through with with it anyway? Why did you hate it so much, and why did
you go through with it? And why do you feel you were "railroaded"
into the conventional as opposed to the open ended procedure?

trifold

john

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Mar 5, 2002, 2:22:17 PM3/5/02
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trif...@netscape.net (trifold) wrote in message news:<f6289b53.02030...@posting.google.com>...
TRIFOLD- YOU HAVE SLIGHTLY MISSED THE POINT OF THE CATS. THE THIRD
CAT IS THE TRIGGER, AFTER WHICH YOU PULL OUT INTO THE ROAD. NO
TRIGGER, NO PULL OUT. A BIT LIKE ONE....TWO.....THREE.....(BUT NO ONE
SAYS GO).
ITS A QUESTION OF HOW LONG THE BODY WOULD TAKE TO LEARN THAT WHAT
IT HAS USED AS THE TRIGGER SIGNAL FOR YEARS IS NO LONGER GOING TO
OCCUR. IT THEN HAS TO LEARN TO LIKE ANOTHER SIGNAL ENOUGH TO ACCEPT
THAT AS THE TRIGGER.
IN ANSWER TO THE OTHER QUESTIONS, YES THERE HAS BEEN SOME
IMPROVEMENT BUT STILL NOTHING LIKE WHAT IT USED TO BE. THE EXACT
DETAILS BEHIND THE DECISION TO GO THROUGH WITH THE OP ARE PERSONAL TO
MYSELF AND MY WIFE, RATHER THAN JUST TO ME, SO I WOULD RATHER NOT PUT
THEM ON THE WEB. SORRY.
JOHN

trifold

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Mar 5, 2002, 5:02:05 PM3/5/02
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Hey John,

Boy, it's been awhile since I thought so much about orgasm!

DROVE...@SUPANET.COM (john) wrote in message news:
> >

> TRIFOLD- YOU HAVE SLIGHTLY MISSED THE POINT OF THE CATS. THE THIRD
> CAT IS THE TRIGGER, AFTER WHICH YOU PULL OUT INTO THE ROAD. NO
> TRIGGER, NO PULL OUT. A BIT LIKE ONE....TWO.....THREE.....(BUT NO ONE
> SAYS GO).
> ITS A QUESTION OF HOW LONG THE BODY WOULD TAKE TO LEARN THAT WHAT
> IT HAS USED AS THE TRIGGER SIGNAL FOR YEARS IS NO LONGER GOING TO
> OCCUR. IT THEN HAS TO LEARN TO LIKE ANOTHER SIGNAL ENOUGH TO ACCEPT
> THAT AS THE TRIGGER.

> JOHN

Hmmmm. . .what you seem to be saying is that your sensation of orgasm
is triggered by something that happens in the vas deferens, NOT by the
other stuff that happens around ejaculation--eg. rythmic contractions
of the prostate and ejaculatory pipes and all the
neuro/vascular/muscular stuff that accompanies the process of
ejaculation. Quite honestly, this seems unlikely to me. You *are*
ejaculating, right? The things that go into ejaculation are so much
more dramatic than any movement in the vas deferens could possibly be,
that it seems unlikely your sensation would be so fundamentally
undermined by the absence of contractions in the vas tubes. Why would
your orgasm be triggered in the vas instead of by the other
contractions that make you (and me and every other guy) shoot? That
is, why are you waiting on the third cat (the vas contraction), which
must be the littlest cat of them all? (By the way, I'm not at all
sure that vasectomy *does* stop the vas from contracting during
orgasm. It might be interesting to find this out.)

> IN ANSWER TO THE OTHER QUESTIONS, YES THERE HAS BEEN SOME
> IMPROVEMENT BUT STILL NOTHING LIKE WHAT IT USED TO BE. THE EXACT
> DETAILS BEHIND THE DECISION TO GO THROUGH WITH THE OP ARE PERSONAL TO
> MYSELF AND MY WIFE, RATHER THAN JUST TO ME, SO I WOULD RATHER NOT PUT
> THEM ON THE WEB. SORRY.

I understand why you are reluctant to talk online about why you
decided to go for the vasectomy, in that the decision has to do with
things between you and your wife. (For similar reasons, online I call
myself "trifold".) But can you talk about why you say you "hated" the
idea of vasectomy so much? And about why you felt "railroaded" into
the conventional procedure? I insist on these points because I
believe the feeling that you have done something very much against
your wishes could explain why you don't like your orgasms now. "Hate"
and "railroaded" are strong words! And what exactly is "the idea of
vasectomy" that you hated? Maybe you haven't changed your mind about
this idea. Maybe you still hate it, and that hatred is getting in the
way of good orgasms. (I'm glad they are getting better, though!)

In the meantime, maybe someone could do some research into exactly
what happens during the male orgasm--and why it feels so good. I'll
have a look see myself, and maybe post something here. But others
should look, too. (By the way, I wonder how many variations on
orgasmic experience are represented within this very newsgroup?)

trifold

john

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Mar 6, 2002, 5:33:04 AM3/6/02
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trif...@netscape.net (trifold) wrote in message news:<f6289b53.02030...@posting.google.com>...

TRIFOLD- INTERESTING INFORMATION YOU FOUND. THIS SORT OF CONFIRMS MY
THOUGHTS THAT THE 'SHOOTING' IS NOT A RESULT OF THE ORGASAM, BUT
INSTEAD TRIGGERS THE ORGASAM TO TAKE PLACE. I HAVE A THEORY: SUPPOSE
THERE ARE AT LEAST 3 SEPARATE ZONES IS WHICH A PRESSURE SURGE DUE TO
'SHOOTING' COULD POTENTIALLY TRIGGER AN ORGASAM TO BE UNLEASED, AND
THAT OVER TIME OUR BODIES TEND TO CONCENTRATE ON PREDOMINANTLY 1 OF
THE THREE AND USE THE SENSATION AS THE TRIGGER.
ZONE X IS IN THE TOP END OR ABOVE THE VAS.
ZONE Y IS IN THE BOTTOM END OF THE VAS OR IN THE TESTICLES.
ZONE Z IS ELSEWHERE IN THE SYSTEM.
THE EFFECT OF A VASECTOMY WOULD BE DIFFERENT FOR ALL THREE CASES.
FOR THOSE WITH A PREDOMINANTLY ZONE X TRIGGER THERE WOULD BE NO
CHANGE OR POSSIBLY AN INCREASE IN AMPLITUDE, AS PRESSURE IS NO LONGER
LOST DOWN THE VAS
FOR THOSE WITH A PREDOMINANTLY ZONE Y TRIGGER THERE WOULD BE A
DRASTIC LOSS OF SENSATION AND POSSIBLY ORGASAM WOULD NOT INITIALLY
TAKE PLACE.
FOR THOSE WITH A PREDOMINANTLY ZONE Z TRIGGER THERE WOULD BE NO
DIFFERENCE AT ALL.

IN ANSWER TO THE OTHER QUESTIONS, I WOULD HAVE PREFERED TO HAVE HAD AN
OPEN ENDED OP NOT BECAUSE OF ANY DIFFERENCE IN SENSATION, BUT BECAUSE
I BELIEVE IT PROBABLY REDUCES THE CHANCES OF POST VAS. PAIN IN THE
YEARS TO COME. ALL I WAS TOLD BEFORE THE OP WAS THAT A VERY SMALL
PERCENTAGE OF MEN GET A VERY MINOR BACKGROUND ACHE IN THE TESTICLES
SOME TIME IN THE FUTURE. A SLIGHT UNDERESTIMATE OF THE DISTRESS CAUSED
TO SOME I THINK! I WASN'T EVEN TOLD ABOUT THE OPEN ENDED PROCEDURE.
WHY DID I HATE THE IDEA OF THE OP? IT WASN'T ANYTHING TO DO WITH
LOSING FERTILITY, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM AT ALL WITH THAT SIDE OF
IT. MY BODY JUST SCREAMED NO!!! IT COULD BE THAT I SUBCONCIOUSLY KNEW
I RELIED ON ZONE Y, WHO KNOWS?
JOHN

trifold

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Mar 6, 2002, 11:20:54 AM3/6/02
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John--I guess your notion of a specifically located "orgasm trigger"
could explain your present experience of post vasectomy orgasm (that
is, your trigger point is differently located than it is in most of
us). But what strikes me in the description of ejaculation I posted
is that successful ejaculation involves dramatic bodily changes: 1)
waves of contactions along the vas and at the amupulla (little pockets
normally full of sperm high up the vas tubes); 2) rythmic contractions
of the seminal vesicles (again, high up the vas tubes; 3)
constrictions of the prostate; 4) contractions of the sphincter; 5)
movement of semen into and through the urethra; 6) 3-7 contractions of
the pelvic floor. All this must happen for normal ejaculation. Some
of these things I can identify (now that I have read about them!) as
forming part of my orgasmic experience and as the source of my
pleasure at orgasm, particularly contractions of the prostate and the
pelvic floor and along the urethra. In that sense, they don't trigger
my orgasm, they *are* my orgasm.

On the other hand, the description also speaks of orgasm as the
*subjective* experience of pleasure accompanying ejaculation, an
experience that is "associated with and enhanced by the various events
of the emission and
ejaculatory process," but that is "separable from them in that it may
occur without ejaculation, as in prepubertal children, and with
markedly attenuated
sensation, as in anesthetic ejaculation." (I'd like to find out more
about how doctors explain "anesthetic ejaculation" when it occurs. I
know that I do not experience all my ejaculations in exactly the same
way, and that some are much more intense than others. Maybe
anesthetic ejaculation is just an extreme version of this.)

In the meantime, I'm glad you are getting back to feeling orgasm the
way you used to, and expect the feeling will continue to return as you
"practise, pratise, practise."

trifold

DROVE...@SUPANET.COM (john) wrote in message news:

> TRIFOLD- INTERESTING INFORMATION YOU FOUND. THIS SORT OF CONFIRMS MY

Jason G

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Mar 9, 2002, 12:14:56 AM3/9/02
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trif...@netscape.net (trifold) made obeisance before Us and spake thusly:

>
>In the meantime, maybe someone could do some research into exactly
>what happens during the male orgasm--and why it feels so good.

If you can get Jennifer Love Hewitt as a research technician, I'll volunteer
for the study.

--
Jason G
"You can put frosting on a turd, but what you end up with is a frosted turd."
--Pete, a.s.c.

trifold

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Mar 11, 2002, 10:08:56 AM3/11/02
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jrgusenet@REMOVE_ooo_THIS_xxx_PART_yahoo.com (Jason G) wrote in message news:<a6c5e...@enews4.newsguy.com>...

> trif...@netscape.net (trifold) made obeisance before Us and spake thusly:
> >
> >In the meantime, maybe someone could do some research into exactly
> >what happens during the male orgasm--and why it feels so good.
>
> If you can get Jennifer Love Hewitt as a research technician, I'll volunteer
> for the study.

lol. I don't know. In the interest of science, I think we would have
to vary technicians. Maybe Shelley Winters? (Oh wait. I think she's
dead.) Also, something electronic.

Jason Montoya

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Mar 14, 2002, 5:52:23 AM3/14/02
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In article <41c6a9f0.02022...@posting.google.com>,
DROVE...@SUPANET.COM (john) wrote:
>has anyone else experienced the following; all sexual functions normal
>following the vasecomy except the orgasam during ejaculation. The
>build up is normal but the ejaculation is just like a squirting
>feeling, with no associated orgasam, pleasure , or satisfaction. There

I have never had a vasectomy (but checked out this newsgroup as I'm
considering one), but I have the problem you describe. I'm 26, and have not
had a normal sensation with orgasm since I was 14. It just disappeared around
that time and has never returned. I have tried to find information about it
for years on the Web and my doctor, but so far no luck. I keep getting
referred to psychologists and counselors, but I really think that it's a
physiological problem, not psychological. The analogy I use to try to make
people understand is that I can chew, swallow, and digest my food just fine,
but there is no flavor and therefore no pleasure - only satiation of hunger.
I suspect it could be some sort of nerve damage, as I used a great deal of
pressure when I first discovered masturbation around that time. I try to
focus on the mental aspects of sex, as people emphasize a lot, but it just
isn't the same without the physical component. When I have sex, it's for the
sake of my partner, not me.

trifold

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Mar 14, 2002, 10:32:40 AM3/14/02
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Jason Montoya wrote:

trifold wrote:

Jason, this really sucks! In researching a response to John I came
across reference to "anaesthetic ejaculation," which seems to be the
medical term for what you guys are experiencing (or not experiencing).
I did a search on the term at Medline (a collection of medical
journal abstracts you can get to through our website by clicking on th
DocGuide logo). The result was disappointing, only a single page of
references. And they don't seem to be pointing to a physiological
cause. (It really does seem hard to imagine how nerve damage could
result from jerking off that would eliminate all sensation. Vasectomy
doesn't seem a likely cause either, for that matter, and certainly has
played no role in your case.) I paste in the relevant ones below:

2: J Sex Marital Ther 1994 Spring;20(1):56-60

Case report: anaesthetic ejaculation resolved in integrative sex
therapy.
Garippa PA.
New York Hospital-Cornell Medical College, Human Sexuality Training
Program.

The following case illustrates the treatment of a relatively rare
ejaculatory dysfunction wherein a patient does not experience any
genital pleasure or sensation during his ejaculatory phase. However,
ejaculation is physiologically
normal with a propulsive ejection of semen.

4: J Sex Marital Ther 1985 Spring;11(1):19-29

Anaesthetic ejaculation.
Williams W.

Literature on the uncommon symptom of anaesthetic ejaculation and the
relevant physiology is reviewed. Seven case vignettes describing the
clinical pictures, background histories and common features of this
problem are presented, along with some psychometric data. No physical
causative factors could be elucidated. The main features shared in
common by these men were problems in the recognition and expression of
emotions, and a performance orientation. Treatment by sex-therapy
procedures was ineffective.

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Hey Jason,

Jason, this really sucks! In researching a response to John I came
across reference to "anaesthetic ejaculation," which seems to be the
medical term for what you guys are experiencing (or not experiencing).
I did a search on the term at Medline (a collection of medical
journal abstracts you can get to through our website by clicking on th
DocGuide logo). The result was disappointing, only a single page of
references. And they don't seem to be pointing to a physiological

cause. (It really does seem unlikely that jerking off at 14 could
cause nerve damage that would eliminate all sensation for the rest of
your life. Vasectomy


doesn't seem a likely cause either, for that matter, and certainly has

played no role in your case.) I paste in the relevant abstracts
below.

Re: vasectomy, have you talked to a doctor about his yet?

*****

Abstracts:

2: J Sex Marital Ther 1994 Spring;20(1):56-60

Case report: anaesthetic ejaculation resolved in integrative sex
therapy.
Garippa PA.
New York Hospital-Cornell Medical College, Human Sexuality Training
Program.

The following case illustrates the treatment of a relatively rare
ejaculatory dysfunction wherein a patient does not experience any
genital pleasure or sensation during his ejaculatory phase. However,
ejaculation is physiologically
normal with a propulsive ejection of semen.

4: J Sex Marital Ther 1985 Spring;11(1):19-29

Anaesthetic ejaculation.
Williams W.

Literature on the uncommon symptom of anaesthetic ejaculation and the
relevant physiology is reviewed. Seven case vignettes describing the
clinical pictures, background histories and common features of this
problem are presented, along with some psychometric data. No physical
causative factors could be elucidated. The main features shared in
common by these men were problems in the recognition and expression of
emotions, and a performance orientation. Treatment by sex-therapy

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