Update
Fletcher
the Doc.
While I was there I informed him of my 2 problems.
As most of you know I suffer from loss of orgasm sensation and lebedo.
He said the only two things effecting this would be prostate and
testosterone.
Prostate is normal after his exam.
They did a blood test for my total T testosterone level.
My results show me at 714, normal range being 241-850.
I would have liked to have known what it was before the vas which was
almost 3 months ago now.
Another dead end and no answers as to why I am having these problems.
Reversal is almost certain at this point.
Comments?
Fletcher
Giraud
How do you feel, other than your problems, about being sterile? Does it
sit well with you? Apart from the libido issue, do you view sex
differently now? Were you excited at the prospect of getting a vasectomy,
or did you resist the idea (any pressure from another to get it done)?
I just ask because I have read of men who could not deal with their new
"state." It may go back to our evolutionary roots. I sometimes feel
funny knowing I am shooting blanks, as if this is "pointless." It's not
rational, of course, since using condoms also makes sex "pointless" in
this same way. It may be that deep history screaming from the past
saying, "you messed with my plan!" It does not affect my sex life,
but I can see how it could in some men. I believe the body and mind are
connected in so many ways that this could come out as feeling like a
physical problem.
Giraud
Fletcher
tired of people assuming that.
I never wanted children and I did it for birth control purposes.
Fletcher
"Giraud" <gir...@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<pan.2003.08.01....@nospam.com>...
Giraud
> I can tell you that it is NOT a phsycological problem and frankly I'm
> tired of people assuming that.
> I never wanted children and I did it for birth control purposes.
Fair enough. And I understand getting tired of that - I would, if I were
sure it was physical. Your case is just a strange puzzle, given the
latest test results. And I know in my case, physical symptoms often seem
mind-related (like when my balls started to ache a little a week before my
vasectomy - either a coincidence or I was thinking about it more, and this
mental state somehow stirred things up.
Sorry if I offended - just trying to think out of the box and help figure out
your puzzle. I still think that more investigation may be prudent before
you go for a reversal, even though I understand your wanting to get back
to normal.
Good luck in any case. I can sense your frustration.
Giraud
ROB
Fletcher,
Glad they found something concrete to show the cause of the pain.
Also, wishing you a speedy recovery.
I had a slight loss of sensation for about a month after my
vasectomy as well. As I would go along it was like pins-and-needles
midline of the scrotum. It has resolved itself and I never mentioned
it to the Urologist as it really felt like it was healing. I'd try
discussing it with him when you are healed, if not I would look into
seeing a neurologist to see if he can find anything that would be
causing this.
All good medicine,
GREEENFEATHER
Steve Law
Your Total T is good. Did you have Free T measured? Libido is more
tied to Free T then to Total T, but they are related higher Total T
usually means higher Free T. But as some chineses studies have
suggested, DHT may rise, which may/would lower Free T.
Also, exactly what sensation? Orgasm is comibination of several
factors, release of endorphins, release of prostate and seminal fluid.
There is even the pre-cum that is released prior to orgasm in
expectation of sperm soon to follow.
Vasectomy may or may not affect any or all of these. The sperm and its
associated fluids and hormones that come from the testis are cut off
and no longer available to stimulate the above mentioned areas.
The medical establishment ASSUMES these are not affected. I have seen
no correlated studies that actually try to measure the differences
caused by vasectomy. Reuters had a news release back in 1994/95 that
said men with vasectomies had half the ejaculate of non-vasectomized
men 5 years post vasectomy. But I have never seen anything on the net
on this study, but this was before the net became the source it is
now. So it is just a claim without cite, but the medical establishment
has never backed their assumptions with actual correlated studies that
try to quantify differences (a zero quantified difference would be
re-assuring).
God's Speed,
Steve L
trifold
I guess my comment is, why do you think reversal will help? It could
only help if the problem isT range. And you are still getting
erections, so I don't suspect nerve damage.
Fletcher
I feel at this point it would maybe bring me back to where I was
before I had the vas.
Since I never had any of these problems before and it seems quite
clear you have not been reading my past messages either.
My balls are disconnected so maybe reconnecting them will fix it.
Fletcher
trif...@netscape.net (trifold) wrote in message news:<f6289b53.0308...@posting.google.com>...
Fletcher
The sensation or feeling during orgasm has been reduced.
I would say it only feels about 50% as strong as before I had my vas.
Thanks,Fletcher
stev...@my-deja.com (Steve Law) wrote in message news:<47cbbd02.0308...@posting.google.com>...
Giraud
> Trifold,
> I feel at this point it would maybe bring me back to where I was
> before I had the vas.
> Since I never had any of these problems before and it seems quite
> clear you have not been reading my past messages either.
> My balls are disconnected so maybe reconnecting them will fix it.
Fletcher, my concern is that it is not certain that reversal will fix this
problem (because it is guesswork at this point, other than the logical
correlation between the vas and the problems). I suspect that you would
be devastated if you went through the expense and trauma of a reversal and
find out that it doesn't change anything. Plus, you might be fertile again.
Although I understand wanting to go back to the way it was before, it
might be worth investigating more what may be causing these symptoms before
jumping into another invasive procedure.
But I am not a doctor, so I really cannot give you a doctor's advice. It
just seems to me that it may be a bit too soon to reverse it, given that
it was so recent. If I were you, I'd want to be pretty sure it *would*
return me to my previous orgasms etc. I guess I's also want to be able to
trust any doctor who wanted to do a reveral on me - I'm sure a lot of them
make much of their money by this expensive procedure.
Giraud
Fletcher
total T that they needed to look at.
Since the level is excellant according to the doc I can't see going
back for more testing to pick appart all the different parts dht,free
t etc. since I have no idea what my levels were before it matters
little at this point.
Fletcher
stev...@my-deja.com (Steve Law) wrote in message news:<47cbbd02.0308...@posting.google.com>...
trifold
> I feel at this point it would maybe bring me back to where I was
> before I had the vas.
> Since I never had any of these problems before and it seems quite
> clear you have not been reading my past messages either.
> My balls are disconnected so maybe reconnecting them will fix it.
>
> Fletcher
Actually, I have read all your emails--and have been responding all
along.
As I recall, you experienced your symptoms of loss of libido and loss
of sensation at orgasm almost immediately after the vasectomy. To me,
this suggests a psychological origin. The fact your T. levels are
very good also makes this likely. I could be wrong. Perhaps
something physical is causing your symptoms. But I don't see how it
could be your vasectomy. (Not even the two guys who have posted here
claiming vasectomy undermines libido ever said it happens this fast!)
Bottom line: I really don't see how reversing your vasectomy could
help--unless the problem *is* psychological. But talking to a
psychologist would be cheaper and less risky than getting a reversal,
so I'd start there. (By the way, your balls have not really been
"disconnected." They still move up and down, don't they? And they
still produce hormones that flow directly into your blood supply so
they can do all the stuff they always have.)
If I were you, I'd definitely seek other medical advice, to rule out
some physical cause other than the prostate and T problems your doctor
has already investigated. But I'd also talk to a psychologist just to
be sure that doesn't help. I certainly wouldn't rush into another
operation on my scrotum, one that will be costlier, riskier, and more
painful than the first!
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trifold
http://www.vasectomy-information.com
trifold
> factors, release of endorphins, release of prostate and seminal fluid.
> There is even the pre-cum that is released prior to orgasm in
> expectation of sperm soon to follow.
>
> Vasectomy may or may not affect any or all of these. The sperm and its
> associated fluids and hormones that come from the testis are cut off
> and no longer available to stimulate the above mentioned areas.
"May or may not"? On what basis do you say this? How on earth
*could* vasectomy affect the release of endorphins, semen and precum?
And what do you mean by "sperm and its associated fluids and
hormones?" Which hormones? The flow of hormones from the testes is
not cut off during vasectomy, because these hormones do not move
through the vas deferens, but enter the blood directly. As for
endorphins, they are not made in the testes. Neither is pre-cum or
prostatic fluid.
Let's address the particulars of Fletcher's situation. He says he
experienced loss of libido and loss of sensation at orgasm
*immediately* after his vasectomy. Do you know of *any* study that
could explain this outcome? Not even you have ever claimed the
"damage" you ascribe to vasectomy ever takes effect this quickly.
>
> The medical establishment ASSUMES these are not affected.
The "medical establishment" knows about male plumbing. You don't.
>
> God's Speed,
An interesting closing. Exactly where do you think God is speeding
us?