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Luan

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Feb 20, 2005, 7:16:13 PM2/20/05
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http://www.mayoclinic.com/invoke.cfm?objectid=A0FC7DEB-DAF0-49E1-9974410BCC56D5F5

Or go to the web page of: www.mayoClinic.com where I find the best
mediical information for average people. Type in "vasectomy" in the
search and then choose: Vasectomy: The right form of birth control for
you?
This page looks new on Jan 21, 2005. I believe it is quite accurate and
truthful. Had they had this page as it is written now before I dedcided
on vasectomy there is no doubt I would have shown it to my G/F at least.
I am not one to make future problems for myself or take silly risks. It
would have been nice to know that up to 1/3 of men will experience pain
that last 3 months or more as a result of vasectomy. You can read for
yourself but also notice they do not recommend doing vasectomy if it is
mostly to please your partner. I wrote to Mayo Clinic after my
complications were obvioius (64 days of constant and sometimes severe
pain) and scolded them for leaving out the problem side of vasectomy on
their web site. Now I am very happy to see that they have written nearly
exactly what I have discovered personally to be the rest of the story even
if it is at the bottom of the page. We are all old enough to know we must
read the fine print and we expect it to be in the last paragraphs.
Remember they are still part of the medical establishment and are probably
telling only what they need to to remain "legally honest". I think it is
good to have a waiting period of a few weeks or months after deciding to
keep searching and learning once you are really serious. Both partners
need to be fully informed and involved. Too mnay females believe this is
easy and uncomplicated at least compared to what they have been through.
This is a false feeling and dangerous to the relationship.

David

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Feb 21, 2005, 1:59:11 AM2/21/05
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> This page looks new on Jan 21, 2005. I believe it is quite accurate and
> truthful. Had they had this page as it is written now before I dedcided
> on vasectomy there is no doubt I would have shown it to my G/F at least.
> I am not one to make future problems for myself or take silly risks. It
> would have been nice to know that up to 1/3 of men will experience pain
> that last 3 months or more as a result of vasectomy. You can read for
> yourself but also notice they do not recommend doing vasectomy if it is
> mostly to please your partner.

It's good that they have put this page up. I'd be interested as to where
they got the 1/3 figure from. I would say that the page bears quite a lot of
similarities to the "Well connected" document by Harvard Medical School that
has been online for quite a while now .

> I wrote to Mayo Clinic after my
> complications were obvioius (64 days of constant and sometimes severe
> pain) and scolded them for leaving out the problem side of vasectomy on
> their web site. Now I am very happy to see that they have written nearly
> exactly what I have discovered personally to be the rest of the story even
> if it is at the bottom of the page. We are all old enough to know we must
> read the fine print and we expect it to be in the last paragraphs.
> Remember they are still part of the medical establishment and are probably
> telling only what they need to to remain "legally honest".

It would be a result if the change had resulted from your letter. In any
case, it's good that they have put it up, even is it is overdue!

> I think it is
> good to have a waiting period of a few weeks or months after deciding to
> keep searching and learning once you are really serious. Both partners
> need to be fully informed and involved.

Absolutely. In France it's the law that there has to be 3 months minimum
wait. Here in the UK the NHS waiting list sees to that. It's my
understanding that in some US states there is a 30 days waiting period.

> Too many females believe this is


> easy and uncomplicated at least compared to what they have been through.
> This is a false feeling and dangerous to the relationship.

The difficulty is that as a statement that's basically true, if you compare
it to what they go through. However, the decision does deserve more
consideration than some women give it. I think what sometimes happens is
that the "I went through much worse when having the kids" is used as an
excuse, or some sort of reason not to have a serious debate about the
issues, and what is of concern to the man is basically ignored as some sort
of whining irrelevance.

It is why some doctors prefer both to be present at the counselling, and
there is research work that says satisfation with the procedure is higher
when this happens.

I'm going to have a look at the FAQ sections of the website(s) to see how
well decisions under pressure is covered. It is mentioned, but maybe this
point needs more clarification.

--
David
www.vasectomy-information.com
www.vasectomy-faq.org


french

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Feb 21, 2005, 5:28:35 AM2/21/05
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Luan a écrit :

> It would have been nice to know that up to 1/3 of men will experience pain
> that last 3 months or more as a result of vasectomy.


That seems incredible high , I think 1/3 had sometimes discomfort but
that doesn't alter their life . Vasectomy is a surgery and like any
surgery , you may have problems with recovery and Surgeon can may
mistakes like cutting the vas too short from the testes , I think it the
main cause of long term pain .

> yourself but also notice they do not recommend doing vasectomy if it is
> mostly to please your partner.

I completely agree , don't have a vasectomy to please your partner , you
may have big regrets if you do it , first you may change partner and
your next partner may want children . The main thing is be sure you do
want children no more because you had the number of child you want, for
example


> I wrote to Mayo Clinic after my
> complications were obvioius (64 days of constant and sometimes severe
> pain) and scolded them for leaving out the problem side of vasectomy on
> their web site. Now I am very happy to see that they have written nearly
> exactly what I have discovered personally to be the rest of the story even
> if it is at the bottom of the page. We are all old enough to know we must
> read the fine print and we expect it to be in the last paragraphs.
> Remember they are still part of the medical establishment and are probably
> telling only what they need to to remain "legally honest".


I would not go to Mayo Clinic , if they had 1/3 of vastomised men who
experimented pain during more than 64 days . I think it's not a common
average

I think it is
> good to have a waiting period of a few weeks or months after deciding to
> keep searching and learning once you are really serious. Both partners
> need to be fully informed and involved.


In France you must wait four monthes between the first consulting and
the surgery date . You are informed of the risks but nowhere they write
you may have long term problem . It's written , vasectomy is a
surgery and like any surgical procedure you may have complications .

In France Vasectomy is still not common and medical establishments do
not do it to earn money

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