Questions about causes
Dana
my symptoms. I don't have health insurance at the moment, so I'm not
seeing a doctor at the moment...Which I know is not a good idea.
*sheepish smile*
I'm 25 years old, female and I've had constant tinnitus in both ears
since early childhood (i.e., 5-7 years old). I don't remember how or
when it started. It's high pitched and relatively stable in tone.
Hearing tests over the years, up through college, have revealed no
apparent hearing loss but I've had occasionaly episodes where the
ringing gets much louder, a little lower in tone, and I partially lose
hearing in one ear. This is usually associated with some dizziness.
The rest of the time I generally don't notice the ringing unless I'm
in a very quiet room. When I'm (rarely) exposed to loud sounds, like
a rock concert, I get a scratchy, distorted sound in both hears that
washes out the music or other noises, and which is distinctly
painful...
Over the past year or so, I've also had a couple of near-fainting
episodes, but I'm not sure if they're related or not. These involved
difficulty breathing, sometimes hyperventilation, feeling very hot,
tunnel vision, dizziness, and hearing loss. These seemed to be
related to physical activity at the time, and my boyfriend had to help
me to the couch because I could barely walk or see...I'm also mildly
hypoglycemic, and the few bad episodes I've had with my blood sugar
have been similar but different (no sense of heat, tunnel vision, or
hearing loss; just dizziness, weakness, difficulty breathing), and not
nearly as harsh as the two near-fainting spells.
This year I've also had occasional stabbing pains in the forehead,
which occur suddenly and without warning, and which last for only a
minute or two at a time. These sometimes seem related to what I
thought was sinus pressure behind my eyes, but I've had them even when
I'm not having difficulties with allergies. I've noticed that I've
had a bit more trouble with dizziness, balance and concentration than
I have before, but since my hypoglycemia has only started to kick in
within the past two years, I'm not sure what to attribute that to.
Possibly stress...
Does any of this sound vaguely familiar? Since the tinnitus itself
never gave me any major problems, I tended not to worry about it, but
the more recent stuff is bothering me. Any advice or ideas would be
appreciated...
Thanks!
Dana Hughes.
ShrkAtty
Dana,
No reason to feel "sheepish." (baa!--sorry:) Medical insurance can be
expensive--and so is medical treatment.
But it's pretty chancey getting medical advice from anywhere on the web--even
(or more particularly), with a detailed list of symptoms. Support for
something you know about--sure!; Advice for something you don't know
about--nope! A doctor shouldn't do it, and no one else has any business doing
it. If you have symptoms which concern you, you should see a doctor--if for no
other reason than to "rule out" something which could be serious.
Money? Well . . .in the big picture of priorities . . . we're talking about
your health. If you're desperate--look to govenmental assistance anywhere you
can find it.
Stress? Sure, stress does lots of interesting things. So does poor diet and
lack of sleep. And I suspect there are people here who can describe similar
symptoms--without any major medical problems. But that's no substitute for
having your health looked into, in person, by someone who's trained to do it.
In-my-sheep-opinion,
Rog
Jim Chinnis
>Does any of this sound vaguely familiar? Since the tinnitus itself
>never gave me any major problems, I tended not to worry about it, but
>the more recent stuff is bothering me. Any advice or ideas would be
>appreciated...
You should see an MD, maybe starting with an internist. Your health is more
valuable to you than anything else.
--
Jim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA
The American Tinnitus Association can help: 800-634-8978
Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG
Eva Quesnell
> Hi, I'm looking for advice and suggestions about what might be causing
> my symptoms. I don't have health insurance at the moment, so I'm not
> seeing a doctor at the moment...Which I know is not a good idea.
> *sheepish smile*
No, it's not a great idea, but you don't have to feel bad. I agree
with Rog. You need to see a doctor. You can't get medical advice
on here. We can offer support and suggestions and coping techniques,
but we can't give you medical advice. No one on this newsgroup is
qualified to do that.
> I'm 25 years old, female and I've had constant tinnitus in both ears
> since early childhood (i.e., 5-7 years old). I don't remember how or
> when it started. It's high pitched and relatively stable in tone.
> Hearing tests over the years, up through college, have revealed no
> apparent hearing loss but I've had occasionaly episodes where the
> ringing gets much louder, a little lower in tone, and I partially lose
> hearing in one ear. This is usually associated with some dizziness.
> The rest of the time I generally don't notice the ringing unless I'm
> in a very quiet room. When I'm (rarely) exposed to loud sounds, like
> a rock concert, I get a scratchy, distorted sound in both hears that
> washes out the music or other noises, and which is distinctly
> painful...
>
> Over the past year or so, I've also had a couple of near-fainting
> episodes, but I'm not sure if they're related or not. These involved
> difficulty breathing, sometimes hyperventilation, feeling very hot,
> tunnel vision, dizziness, and hearing loss. These seemed to be
> related to physical activity at the time, and my boyfriend had to help
> me to the couch because I could barely walk or see...I'm also mildly
> hypoglycemic, and the few bad episodes I've had with my blood sugar
> have been similar but different (no sense of heat, tunnel vision, or
> hearing loss; just dizziness, weakness, difficulty breathing), and not
> nearly as harsh as the two near-fainting spells.
This fainting part really concerns me, plus the blood sugar factor.
Do you have diabetes in your family? Have you had a blood glucose
test to diagnose the hypoglycemia, or do you just get shaky if you
don't eat often enough? You can't be sure of the hypoglycemia if
you don't have the glucose test.
I also worry about high blood pressure with the dizziness??
> This year I've also had occasional stabbing pains in the forehead,
> which occur suddenly and without warning, and which last for only a
> minute or two at a time. These sometimes seem related to what I
> thought was sinus pressure behind my eyes, but I've had them even when
> I'm not having difficulties with allergies. I've noticed that I've
> had a bit more trouble with dizziness, balance and concentration than
> I have before, but since my hypoglycemia has only started to kick in
> within the past two years, I'm not sure what to attribute that to.
> Possibly stress...
>
> Does any of this sound vaguely familiar? Since the tinnitus itself
> never gave me any major problems, I tended not to worry about it, but
> the more recent stuff is bothering me. Any advice or ideas would be
> appreciated...
>
> Thanks!
> Dana Hughes.
My best advice is to get to a doctor pretty darn soon. If you
can't afford it, go to Medicaid. They can help you get medical
help. You need to rule out, just like Rog said, lots of things
that could be causing this. Please let us know what you do.
Hop on down to your nearest pharmacy and take your own blood
pressure. Something like that could be very dangerous if not
taken care of soon. I wish you well!
Eva
Ellen K.
near-fainting episodes sound like something that should not be
ignored.
Dana
> No reason to feel "sheepish." (baa!--sorry:) Medical insurance can be
> expensive--and so is medical treatment.
True enough!
> But it's pretty chancey getting medical advice from anywhere on the web--even
> (or more particularly), with a detailed list of symptoms. Support for
> something you know about--sure!; Advice for something you don't know
> about--nope! A doctor shouldn't do it, and no one else has any business doing
> it. If you have symptoms which concern you, you should see a doctor--if for no
> other reason than to "rule out" something which could be serious.
I agree...I should've known better than to ask that question, but I
guess I was more worried than thinking at the time I posted. *smile*
Thanks for the advice, though. Time to go doctor hunting again...
Dana
Dana
> This fainting part really concerns me, plus the blood sugar factor.
> Do you have diabetes in your family? Have you had a blood glucose
> test to diagnose the hypoglycemia, or do you just get shaky if you
> don't eat often enough? You can't be sure of the hypoglycemia if
> you don't have the glucose test.
>
> I also worry about high blood pressure with the dizziness??
My mother's family has a history of high blood pressure, but I don't
know of anyone in the family with diabetes. I've had my blood
pressure checked several times recently, wondering about syncope or
something similar, but the machines in stores, my mother's own home
unit, and the readings I've had at my old doctor's office this year
have all read about normal. My mother is hypoglycemic (she found out
the hard way, by ending up in the hospital). I had a blood glucose
test run last year which came up negative, but I didn't start having
with the shakes and stuff from lack of food until months after that,
by which time my old doctor had retired and insurance was gone...
> My best advice is to get to a doctor pretty darn soon. If you
> can't afford it, go to Medicaid. They can help you get medical
> help. You need to rule out, just like Rog said, lots of things
> that could be causing this. Please let us know what you do.
> Hop on down to your nearest pharmacy and take your own blood
> pressure. Something like that could be very dangerous if not
> taken care of soon. I wish you well!
Good advice...Thanks!
Dana
Eva Quesnell
> My mother's family has a history of high blood pressure, but I don't
> know of anyone in the family with diabetes. I've had my blood
> pressure checked several times recently, wondering about syncope or
> something similar, but the machines in stores, my mother's own home
> unit, and the readings I've had at my old doctor's office this year
> have all read about normal. My mother is hypoglycemic (she found out
> the hard way, by ending up in the hospital). I had a blood glucose
> test run last year which came up negative, but I didn't start having
> with the shakes and stuff from lack of food until months after that,
> by which time my old doctor had retired and insurance was gone...
You know, different doctors will read these tests differently. It's
quite frustrating. My sister had a blood glucose test ancient years
ago, and they told her she had hypoglycemia. Several years later,
another doctor looked at the same test and told her she didn't have
it. She went back to drinking sodas and eating sugar, and she's
been fine. So, IMHO, you have to go with your gut feeling on
something like that. Frequent small meals can help with the shakes.
> Good advice...Thanks!
>
> Dana
You're welcome, and good luck! Let us know how you are.
Eva
Ellen K.
fasting bg, which will be retested in another month.
On 24 Oct 2002 18:49:23 GMT, suf...@aol.comnospam (Susan Fein) wrote:
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>
>In article <2e0ceea5.02102...@posting.google.com>,
>j_ra...@yahoo.com (Dana) writes:
>
>> I had a blood glucose
>>test run last year which came up negative, but I didn't start having
>>with the shakes and stuff from lack of food until months after that,
>>by which time my old doctor had retired and insurance was gone...
>
>Hypoglycemia is completely curable and type ll diabetes preventable if you
>switch to frequent, small low carb/high fat meals.
>
>Worked for me, and all my blood pressure and lipid results improved, too. It
>also has been studied and found to help with tinnitus.
>
>Susan
Jim Chinnis
[from quoted abstract]
>"Treatment with vasodilators
>and a 500-calorie, high-protein, low-carbohydrate diet yielded improvement of
>symptoms in 83% of patients within five months of initiation of treatment."
If I were placed on a 500-calorie diet, I'd be telling my doc my tinnitus was
gone by the third day! "Five months"!!! Most of the patients must have just
disappeared altogether.
Ellen K.
Thanks for the information. :)
On 25 Oct 2002 13:15:47 GMT, suf...@aol.comnospam (Susan Fein) wrote:
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>
>In article <ev7hruora7jko12mm...@4ax.com>, Ellen K.
><72322.enno.es...@compuserve.com> writes:
>
>>
>>Do you have some references to studies? I have tinnitus and one bad
>>fasting bg, which will be retested in another month.
>
>I believe I have one study on Tinnitus, and probably a billion references to
>low carb for glycemic/hyperinsulinemia control.
>
>Best thing to do for the hypo is to go on a diet like Protein Power, middle or
>maintenance level if you don't have hypertension, obesity, high lipids. I eat
>about the middle level of PP.
>
>I find that when I eat a very high amount of salicylate containing food, I get
>a hiss. Vegetables and fruits are high, but only a concentrated amount of one
>at the very high end kicks up my T, which is always quiet, absent or tolerable
>these days.
>
>On low carb, one eats a LOT of veggies and salad, so it's a good idea to google
>up the list on salicylate content of foods from low to high.
>
>Here's the cite on diet and T: Low carbing, without low calorie, generally
>brings about dramatic improvements in lipids.
>
>Ear Nose Throat J 1997 Oct;76(10):716-20, 725-6, 728 passim Related Articles,
>Books, LinkOut
>
>
>
>Published erratum appears in Ear Nose Throat J 1998 Feb;77(2):145
>
>
>Progressive sensorineural hearing loss, subjective tinnitus and vertigo caused
>by elevated blood lipids.
>
>Pulec JL, Pulec MB, Mendoza I
>
>Pulec Ear Clinic and Ear International, Los Angeles, California, USA.
>
>The otologist frequently sees patients with progressive sensorineural hearing
>loss, subjective aural tinnitus and vertigo with no apparent cause. Elevated
>blood lipids may be a cause of inner ear malfunction on a biochemical basis. To
>establish the true incidence of this condition, all new patients (4,251) seen
>during an eight-year period were evaluated; of these, 2,332 patients had
>complaints of inner ear disease. All had a complete neurotologic examination,
>appropriate audiometric and vestibular studies and imaging, and blood tests
>including lipid phenotype studies. Hyperlipoproteinemia was found in 120
>patients (5.1%). Most patients were found to be overweight and had additional
>coexisting conditions such as diabetes mellitus. Treatment with vasodilators
>and a 500-calorie, high-protein, low-carbohydrate diet yielded improvement of
>symptoms in 83% of patients within five months of initiation of treatment.
>
>Comments:
>Comment in: Ear Nose Throat J 1998 Feb;77(2):145
>Comment in: Ear Nose Throat J 1998 Mar;77(3):224
>
>PMID: 9345815, UI: 98005748
>
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>
>Susan
>
terri231
<72322.enno.es...@compuserve.com> wrote:
>A 500-calorie diet? Yikes.
Maybe it was 500 calories a meal?
Terri
>
Ellen K.
On 25 Oct 2002 21:25:11 GMT, suf...@aol.comnospam (Susan Fein) wrote:
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>In article <rjcjru8rmjpohdbno...@4ax.com>, Ellen K.
><72322.enno.es...@compuserve.com> writes:
>
>>
>>A 500-calorie diet? Yikes.
>>
>>Thanks for the information. :)
>
>Forget the calories. Go for the low carb; I don't believe the calorie
>restriction is at all necessary, based upon tons of low carb research I've
>read. Plus, if you're hypoglycemic you MUST eat low carb to avoid becoming
>type ll diabetic later.
>
>I was so hypo before I low carbed that I had dizziness, sweatiness and shakes
>an hour and a half after eating. Now I can last 6 hours without food before I
>feel a little on the edge.
>
>Susan
ENTconsult
lowered their cholesterol with medication. At that time there was a unanimous
no. Anyone now had their tinnitus lowered when the cholesterol was lowered?
Murray Grossan, M.D.
http://www.ent-consult.com
http://www.TinnitusRelief.net
http://www.emedicine.com/ent/topic516.htm
Unknown
>We did a survey here last year: did anyone's tinnitus improve after they
>lowered their cholesterol with medication. At that time there was a unanimous
>no.
So there is no treatment known for tinnitus. Thank you for admitting
that. It's why TRT centers are apparently closing around the country.
>Murray Grossan, M.D.
>http://www.ent-consult.com
>http://www.TinnitusRelief.net
>http://www.emedicine.com/ent/topic516.htm
Stop advertising, you asshole.
Martin
Ellen K.
sugar, also no white potatoes or white rice, fruits limited to 2 per
day.
On 25 Oct 2002 22:51:19 GMT, suf...@aol.comnospam (Susan Fein) wrote:
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>In article <hrhjru4frqsaha7gf...@4ax.com>, Ellen K.
><72322.enno.es...@compuserve.com> writes:
>
>>I'm not HG. Possible diabetic, retesting next month to determine.
>
>Why not do something really healthy that can only help?
>
>Just cut all the white flour and sugar/sweets from your diet at first and see
>if you feel any better. Limit starches in general.
>
>FWIW, I tested one point below diabetic for about 10 years on the fasting
>sugar, but that didn't stop me from having severe diabetic complications, like
>peripheral neuropathies. Many experts believe that the ranges considered
>normal are way too high, because heart disease and neuropathies, retinopathies,
>and nephropathies happen many years before most diabetics are caught by the
>blood tests.
>
>It might help your T as much as it helps mine, too.
>
>Susan
Ellen K.
says its participants used fruits and vegetables for their
carbohydrate intake.
No way am I going on a 50%-fat diet, or any other cult-type thing.
If you're feeling good on what you're eating, I'm happy for you, but
frankly I'm feeling quite good on what I'm now eating, so until I see
double-bind peer-reviewed studies that indicate I should do otherwise,
I'm sticking with this.
On 27 Oct 2002 14:55:20 GMT, suf...@aol.comnospam (Susan Fein) wrote:
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>In article <9urmrukvuc2qf5gso...@4ax.com>, Ellen K.
><72322.enno.es...@compuserve.com> writes:
>
>>'m already on a strict diabetic-type diet, yes, no white bread, no
>>sugar, also no white potatoes or white rice, fruits limited to 2 per
>>day.
>
>Two fruits per day is over my healthy limit of total carbs, and I'm not
>diabetic.
>
>The standard diabetic diet allows most diabetics' disease to progress. For a
>better one, check out this publication from an endocrinology conference in
>1999:
>
>2) Title: DG-DISPATCH - ENDO 99: Diabetics Improve Health With Very High-Fat,
>Low
>Carb Diet
>Doctor's Guide
>June 15, 1999
>
>By Cameron Johnston
>Special to DG News
>
>SAN DIEGO, CA -- June 15, 1999 -- A very high-fat, low-carbohydrate diet has
>been shown to have astounding effects in helping type 2 diabetics lose weight
>and improve their blood lipid profiles.
>
>The results of three studies involving such a diet, which is similar to, but
>has a few key differences from the famous "Dr. Atkins Diet", were presented
>today
>at the annual meeting of the Endocrine Society.
>
>Dr. James Hays, an endocrinologist and director of the Limestone Medical
>Center in Wilmington, DE, admitted that the concept of a high-fat diet in
>people
>who are already at higher risk of cardiovascular disease might seem
>incongruous.
>Nonetheless, this study of 157 men and women with type 2 diabetes showed an
>impressive benefit in body mass index (BMI) triglycerides, HDL, LDL and HbA1c.
>
>
>Most people are encouraged to reduce the amount of fat in their diets,
>particularly saturated fats, and diabetics in particular are advised to reduce
>their
>overall caloric intake, Dr. Hays explained in an interview in San Diego during
>the
>conference.
>
>Whereas a normal diet would be in the order of 1800 to 2100 calories, with 60
>percent of calories coming from carbohydrates and 30 percent from fat, patients
>
>in this diet were restricted to 1800 calories per day and were encouraged to
>get
>50 percent of their caloric intake from fat, and just 20 percent from
>carbohydrates.
>The balance of 30 percent would come from proteins.
>
>A whopping 90 percent of the fat content in their diets was saturated fat,
>compared
>with just 10 percent that was monounsaturated fat.
>
>"I think this is at least worth considering for any diabetic," Dr. Hays said in
>an interview.
>"The thing many diabetics coming into the office don't realize is that other
>forms of
>carbohydrates will increase their sugars, too. Dietitians will point them
>toward complex carbohydrates ... oatmeal and whole wheat bread, but we have to
>deliver the message that these are carbohydrates that increase blood sugars,
>too."
>
>Higher-fat diets, on the other hand, seem to make the person feel full faster
>so they eat less; higher-fat diets also tend to reduce postprandial
>hypoglycemia so the patients feel better after eating.
>
>"Every diabetic comes home from the doctor with instructions as to what their
>diet should consist of, but they're not getting the information from
>dietitians about what complex carbohydrates they should eat,"
>
>Dr. Hays said:
>"The important thing here is no ketosis. We absolutely don't want people to
>become
>ketotic, and so we said they had to have so many exchanges of fresh fruits and
>vegetables and we specified the ones they could eat."
>
>They were able to eat all the meat and cheese they wanted, but as for
>carbohydrates, they are restricted to eating unprocessed foods, mainly fresh
>fruit and vegetables, he added.
>
>Subjects recruited into the study (84 men, 73 women) were all type 2 diabetics
>and
>were required to undergo a standard American Diabetes Association modified diet
>for
>one full year before entry into the trial. Over the course of one year, the
>subjects achieved a mean decline in total cholesterol of between 231 and 190
>mg/dl. Triglycerides declined from 229 to 182 mg/dl.
>
>Low-density lipoproteins (LDL cholesterol) fell from 133 to 105 mg/dl, while
>HDL
>increased from 44 to 47 mg/dl.
>
>HbA1c, which at the start of the study averaged 3.34 percent above normal,
>declined to the point that at one year, the mean was just 0.96 percent above
>normal.
>
>The average weight loss among subjects in the study was in the order of 40
>pounds, Dr. Hays said.
>
>By the end of the one-year study, he added, 90 percent of the patients had
>achieved ADA (American Diabetes Association) targets for HbA1c, HDL,
>LDL and triglycerides.
>
>Even among juvenile diabetics, he said, they might not be overweight and they
>might have more or less normal lipid levels, but when they are on this kind of
>diet
>it is possible to treat them with lower doses of insulin and make their lives a
>little
>safer, he said.
>
>As for the response from cardiologists who see a high-fat diet as anathema to
>what they have been instructing their patients for years now, Dr. Hays said he
>has
>three cardiologist patients who are now on the diet.
>
>"If you have a diet that results in weight loss, lower cholesterol, and a
>better lipid profile, eventually, everybody will be eating that way. It's going
>to come
>whether we like it or not."
>
>
>Susan
Jim Chinnis
>No way am I going on a 50%-fat diet, or any other cult-type thing.
The diets of the Mediterranean that have been cited as especially healthy in
recent years have a fat % of around 40-45. Most of the research I can find on
Medline seems to show that higher fat is healthier than higher carb. In any
case, I wouldn't consider 50% fat to equate to cultism!
If there's any cultism around, it's the ultra-low-fat diet that's pushed by so
many who should know better.
(Note that a 50% fat diet means percent by calorie measure. That means a diet
that is about 25% fat by weight, or even less if a lot of whole foods are
eaten (with high fiber content)).
ShrkAtty
Haven't you read the warnings about stepping into the middle of a "cat-fight?"
Raj
<ducking and running--somewhere behind Bruce :-)>
Eva Quesnell
The recommended percentages are: 58% carb, 30% fat, and 12% protein.
The carbs go bad on you if they're the wrong kind. You have to eat
good carbs. Pasta, when cooked el dente is a good carb. Pasta
gets a bad rap because people cook it too long, and it just turns
to sugar. Good, grainy, dark bread is also a good carb. It's
all a matter of balancing and choosing the right kinds of carbs
and proteins. That's why the Mediterranean diet is good. You
won't find soft, white breads in their diet. No bagels, donuts,
crap carbs. Just my 2 cents.
Eva
Jim Chinnis
>The recommended percentages are: 58% carb, 30% fat, and 12% protein.
From the New Testament or Old?
BruceMeyerz
Date: 27 Oct 2002 21:54:44 GMT
From: shrk...@aol.com (ShrkAtty)
Newsgroups: alt.support.tinnitus
-----------------------------
Oh great, Raj....! Now you've exposed MY position.
Quick make a break for the "Quick Fixes" thread.... on
my signal. OK.......... runnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
Bruce
Ellen K.
per day are fat, that leaves 250 calories for all your other
nutritional needs... I don't think so.
RON
T.
Ron
Eva Quesnell
> Eva Quesnell <eque...@unm.edu> wrote in part:
>
> >The recommended percentages are: 58% carb, 30% fat, and 12% protein.
>
> From the New Testament or Old?
From the continuing correct percentage -- tried and true.
Eva
Bob D.
Hey, wait a minute guys -- Bruce has NEVER backed away from
a Buffalo chip throwing contest ! At present, he is on a field trip
to an undisclosed location in Colombia negotiating the purchase
of some secret ingredients for our new EERIE WAX 2003.
He will CERTAINLY get back to you -- in fact, he'll come to the
house.
Ciao-4-now,
Bob D.
Long Island, NY
bdim...@optonline.net
terri231
Chinnis) wrote:
>Eva Quesnell <eque...@unm.edu> wrote in part:
>
>>The recommended percentages are: 58% carb, 30% fat, and 12% protein.
>
>From the New Testament or Old?
Seems to me that either of those would be more likely to favor a
Mediterranean type diet.
I just read this morning that a study done with 20,000 males showed
drinking 5 glasses of water reduces their risk of heart trouble by
50%. Every day something different comes out with respect to diet
and health.
A couple of points that need to be made in this entire discussion is
that heredity plays a greater factor than diet in many of the
conditions mentioned and you can't get the same answer from "experts"
regarding the "right" foods to eat other than to eat a balanced diet
and monitor caloric intact balanced with exercise. You could read
one study and I can read another each saying something completely
different and both could work for some people. What works in each
case may work because of the person's overall physical condition, and
environmental and/or heredity factors.
Terri
Bob D.
>
>The health benefits of *lots of water* cannot be overstated. I drink at
>least 60 ounces of Brita water per day.
>
> Jack
Jack:
We were wondering why they called you the "Running Man" .
Ellen K.
secondarily from fish. Very little of it comes from meat and cheese,
which Ms. Fein says make up the majority of her diet.
The Mediterranean diet also includes lots of fruits and vegetables.
Ellen K.
high blood glucose increases cholesterol. Conversely, weight loss,
even as little as 5 to 10% of body weight, decreases blood glucose
levels and ergo cholesterol levels also. For this reason, many Type
II diabetics are able to control their disease by means of diet and
exercise, i.e. without drugs. Keeping their weight down suffices.
Diets such as Atkins work the same as any diet: the dieter takes in
fewer calories than s/he expends. One reason the Atkins-type diet is
successful is that most people over any period of time simply cannot
eat sufficient quantities of meat and fat such that their calorie
intake exceeds their outgo.
When these dieters lose weight, their blood glucose and hence their
cholesterol values drop AS A RESULT OF THE WEIGHT LOSS.
Diabetics need to carefully monitor the percentage of calories from
protein, fat and carbohydrates and to eat balanced meals. Not only
must blood glucose levels be kept within appropriate boundaries, but
ketosis must be avoided. I have personally witnessed non-diabetics
on the Atkins diet gleefully exclaiming that they were experiencing
ketosis, a sure sign that their diet was working.
The fact that on the Atkins diet people must take laxatives and large
quantities of supplements speaks volumes.
What would be very interesting would be mortality and longevity
studies comparing these meat-and-fat diets to balanced diets. The
fact that people lose weight and improve their blood chemistry over
the short term is not really interesting in my opinion, for the
reasons stated above.
On 28 Oct 2002 13:57:32 GMT, suf...@aol.comnospam (Susan Fein) wrote:
>x-no-archive: yes
>
>
>In article <9i7pru4gpo5692k65...@4ax.com>, Ellen K.
><72322.enno.es...@compuserve.com> writes:
>
>>
>>Her other posted diet was for 500 calories per day. If 250 calories
>>per day are fat, that leaves 250 calories for all your other
>>nutritional needs... I don't think so.
>
>I'm sorry about your reading comprehension problem.
>
>I did NOT post a "diet" I posted an ABSTRACT of a study, and clearly stated
>that the low calorie element was not, in my experience, required to achieve a
>good result.
>
>Susan
Capt. Ron
you to diabetic complications, really, it's no skin off my nose.
Wow! A Real CAT fight, right here on AST!
Cool!
;-)
Capt. Ron
Jim Chinnis
>The fat in the Mediterranean diet comes mostly from olive oil, and
>secondarily from fish. Very little of it comes from meat and cheese,
>which Ms. Fein says make up the majority of her diet.
I never saw her say that.
>The Mediterranean diet also includes lots of fruits and vegetables.
Indeed. Has anyone said otherwise? I've been on about a 45-50% fat, low carb
(not very low carb) diet for a year or so now. I have about double the fruit
and vegetables recommended by the high carb USDA food pyramid. And--although
my diet was to improve overall health--it has produced an effortless loss of
25 pounds accumulated since high school. I now (age 58) am leaner than I was
at my high school graduation and weigh the same.
One of the reasons people check out support groups like a.s.t. is that the
medical profession responds slowly to new knowledge, with certain important
exceptions. A newsgroup can provide insights into treatments and ways of
handling problems that are unknown to most clinical practitioners. Those
insights can then be checked by doing the hard work of reading the
peer-reviewed research. The effort can pay off.
The policy authorities have--until very recently--been almost united behind
the idea that dietary fat is bad and that carbohydrates are good. This has
been despite the lack of good evidence in support of their views and despite
signs from available studies showing quite the opposite.
In many respects, this situation is similar to the situation with respect to
tinnitus, where most ENTs will tell a tinnitus patient to learn to live with
it and that nothing can be done. Just as with diet, the studies say otherwise.
Jim Chinnis
>Diets such as Atkins work the same as any diet: the dieter takes in
>fewer calories than s/he expends. One reason the Atkins-type diet is
>successful is that most people over any period of time simply cannot
>eat sufficient quantities of meat and fat such that their calorie
>intake exceeds their outgo.
Your claims seem to be contradicted by the research literature. As just one
example, the above claim, for instance, is in total contradiction to what was
just reported last week at the annual meeting of the American Dietetics
Association. The clinical trial comparison of a low-fat diet with a very low
carb diet showed that overweight women lost an average of 18.5 lb in six
months of the very low carb diet and only 9 lb in six months on the low fat
diet. Both groups consumed the same number of calories.
Unknown
>I showed you scientific abstracts pointing out that none of what you've posted
>is true, it's conjecture. You've posted crap, after demanding good science
>from me.
Uh oh....cat fight!
Martin van Buren
Unknown
wrote:
>Wow! A Real CAT fight, right here on AST!
I swear that I called it that BEFORE I read your message. I swear on
Murray's life...HA!
Martin
Ellen K.
Ellen K.
have not addressed Ms. Fein in the manner in which she has addressed
me, and do not intend to.
On 30 Oct 2002 08:10:40 -0800, Cap...@mostlysunny.com (Capt. Ron)
wrote:
>I'm sorry you can't read. You have my permission to let your ignorance lead