nagliar da stalker
astarchives
Well, since he just had the nerve to accuse someone else of being like
the Taliban, lets review his actions and see if he's the best
candidate
to join Al-Qaeda. I hope the people on his professional board have
e-mails so they can see this post too.
Here are just a few of the things Nagler did to harm this NG.
1- called a disabled person a fraud
2- called a disabled person spiritually dead
3- obtained a disabled person's SS number
4- illegally used that disabled person's SS number to get his
caseworker's name
5- tried to extort an apology as point out by Jeff R.
6- promised to leave this NG because he knows he was wrong, but stays
7- said tinnitus was horrible, but not disabling enought that someone
should get his tax dollars
8- posted a private and detailed e-mail which he just recently lied
about never doing. So, here it is:
***Note...the names have been removed from this post since it is
Nagler
who violated a private e-mail. There is no need to drag those people's
names back in here. The entire original post can be found with a
Google
search. But this does demonstrate that Nagler is lying yet again. When
will he stop?...when will he stop? Do the people on the new board know
of this
yet?***
Now is also a good time to remind the new reader that Nagler obtained
and used this person's Social Security number to get the name of his
case worker. He was not authorized to do so. It was an apparent
violation of the law:
"Any person who knowingly and willingly makes any representation that
is
false to obtain information or to receive information from Social
Security records, and or that is intended to deceive the Social
Security
Administration as to the true identity of the individual may be
punished by a
fine or imprisonment or both."
We have a scoundrel and a charlatan in our midst who lies even during
the holiday season. Here's hoping he is gone for the New Year and
peace
may return. But it seems that he is just plain too stupid to cut his
losses and get out of here. Or maybe he stays because he doesn't want
AST to be a place of support. He could be that sick from what we
witnessed in the last year.
From: nag...@mindspring.com (Stephen Nagler)
Newsgroups: alt.support.tinnitus
Subject: What I Intend to Tell the Judge
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 06:15:46 GMT
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I have just received the following e-mail from XYZ. As you
can see from the first lines, XYZ will not read my response,
but you all will.
In the e-mail from XYZ you will read that in Dr. X's opinion,
XYZ's tinnitus is "so severe and incapacitating
as to justify any consideration you [the court] can afford him." I
will not argue with Dr. X. He's entitled to his opinion. What I will
tell the Administrative Law Judge next week is the absolute truth:
#1 Dr. X never examined XYZ; rather he relied upon the
findings of somebdy else who - based upon those same findings - did
not offer a letter in support of XYZ's disability application.
#2 In view of the absence of any tinnitus reliability testing, I (as
a Doctor of Medicine) could not draw the same conclusion as Dr.
X. (a psychologist) did.
#3 In support of #2 above, I will offer as an exhibit weeks and weeks
of public Internet postings by XYZ, demonstrating focused
attention (when motivated) for several hours at a time over several
consecutive days. Based upon that evidence, I will challenge the
vocational rehab expert assigned to the case to explain why XYZ
could not participate in "Significant Gainful Employment" according to
at least one accepted definition of that concept.
#4 I will point out to the judge that XYZ has threatened me
and has stated he will "stop at nothing" to stop me. I will point out
to the judge that if XYZ had decided to get a job instead of
"stopping at nothing" that none of this would be happening in the
first place.
#5 I will point out to the judge that I, as well as every single
taxpayer, pays into the system that will be henceforth paying a weekly
check to this man with ABILITY that he CHOOSES not to use, in addition
to whatever DISability he might have. I will explain that my disgust
as a US taxpayer is the basis for my request for re-assessment of the
case.
#6 Finally, I will point out that XYZ in some five years of
"suffering" with tinnitus (already receiving disability checks for a
few years from one carrier based upon his tinnitus) has never made an
appointment at the universally respected University tinnitus center
(NON-TRT) that Dr. X himsef founded to see if he might find an
avenue towards relief and return to the workforce. I will point out
that while XYZ did not choose to travel to XXX, he did
choose to take several vacations to the Carolina coast.
#7 I will tell the judge that as an American and as a taxpayer I will
certainly respct the judge's decision upon his reassessment of the
case, but that I felt it my obligation as a taxpayer to supply some
additional information that might not have been available to the judge
at the time of his initial evaluation.
XYZ, in case you do happen to be reading this post, you have
publicly maligned and viciously slandered me. You have called me a
LIAR, but I do not lie. You have publicly called me a schizophrenic
psychotic asshole shill who should not be treating tinnitus patients.
You have threatened me. And THEN, you went outside this newsgroup and
wrote two highly inflammatory letters about me to the American
Tinnitus Association (the not-for-profit orgnization whose Board I am
honored to Chair) ... and one highly inflammatory letter to my closest
friend in the tinnitus community, Dr. X. XYZ, you have
taken our differences outside of this newsgroup ... and now I shall do
the same.
Stephen M. Nagler, M.D.
............
XYZ's e-mail to me appears below:
***Note that this is specifically an e-mail, which is something Nagler
claimed he has never posted. The horror...the horror***
<snip XYZ header>
>I am not going to read a response to this message. Even if you make it
>through my killfile, when I see it is you I will merely save it. I
still have not read the last two.
>I'll show you just how much I care about people and the ATA as it is
the only organization to back. Admittedly, I want you gone.
>Dr. X and I had a lengthy and detailed conversation about TRT. I
don't recall which word he used, psuedo-science or junk-science, when
he referred to it. He commented that in the long run, he did not think
it
would prove to be scientifically real. While he "might" recommend
people who say they will try anything, he made it clear that he did
not
recommend that I do it<
>He told me a story about where you and he were coming out of a hotel.
He walked you over to a fountain and asked if you could hear your
tinnitus. You replied that you couldn't. Then when you walked back
inside he
asked if you could hear your tinnitus. You said you could. Then he
asked why
you would be so adamant about putting people through TRT for such a
period of time when it was still unproven, and how masking gives
immediate relief to most<
>So stop stuffing TRT down my throat. It is junk science that you have
used to pace the illusion of self-import<
>Do not make the comment again that Dr. X would recommend that I see
you. As much as I would love to post all of his about you as you
are,deep down,
a despicable person, I will not to so at this time out of
regard for Dr. X and the ATA.<
>HOWEVER, if you refuse to comply with my wishes and make one single
comment after 12 noon EST on Friday, I will post the above as well as
the forst two sentences of Dr. X letter. They show you to be a
demonstrable liar. Again, you could not have claimed the judge didn't
know the facts when the facts are right here in these first two
sentences.<
>Re: XYZ
>To Whom It May Concern:
>I have reviewed the data regarding XYZ presented to me by
Dr. ABC. I have also discussed with XYZ his tinnitus
condition via telephone.<
><snip>
>In my opinion, Mr. XYZ tinnitus is so severe and incapacitating
as to justify any consideration you can afford him.<
>Respectfully submitted,
>Dr. X
>Swallow it up Stephen. You have lied. Maybe it is because of your
cause. Maybe it is because you are sick. I don't know and I don't
care. FWIW
my highly regarded psychiatrist was shown all of your rantings. He
will
not make a diagnosis without having seen you. He does not think you
are
psychotic. If I am recalling correctly, he does think you have some
serious issues you need to work out with a qualified therapist because
you are going to transfer these hostilities to the patients you see;
particularly ones who don't exactly fit your view of the world. He
said
to try and stay away from you because these writing are from a
troubled
person. It might be a temporary problem or it might be a far more
significant one. You are not doing me or yourself any good. But if you
continue to malign me I will stop at nothing to stop you from doing
so.
It is your choice.<
William Nunn
"astarchives" <astar...@hehe.com> wrote in message
news:mgnvbvgjqs1b4i8d2...@4ax.com...
TRT es el basura científico.