I have Xposted Dr. Nagler's comments in sci.med.cardiology to AST
since it is my belief that Dr. Nagler is still the most considerable,
important and viable historic force in AST. Try a Google on Nagler
and you will see the archives are chocked full of him. 19,400 posts
strong and Google ran out of gas.
Lurkers, regulars, newbies...anyone who is looking for information
will find that the archives of Usenet are the most complete and
relevant resource regardless of the daily activities and threads in
any Usenet group.
I see that one of the most crucial pieces of information for AST
information seekers is to have not only Nagler's archives but his
present Usenet activities as a method to determine all things Nagler,
his credibility, his value sets, his religious (non)beliefs, his
hypocrisy, his positive aspects.
Whether you agree or disagree is not the reason for this post. This is
Usenet; use it as you like. I will and am.
Thank you for your time.
Mu
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap040113.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.
..................
Cross-posted response - ast & SMC:
I have taken a breather from ast. I hope that on balance my
contributions on ast over the years have been helpful - although I
realize that such has not been the case 100% of the time.
This cross-posting stuff is an interesting troll concept. My
suggestion would be for you on ast and on SMC killfile the trolls -
but this guy Mu changes nicks daily.
I tell you this, my ast friends, I will not be held hostage to a
troll. I'll stop posting on SMC when I'm ready to. And, SuFein, you
have a LOT of balls (no surprise there) coming on to SMC and claiming
that *I* am harming ast because somebody ELSE crossposts.
smn
>Cross-posted response - ast & SMC:
>
>I have taken a breather from ast. I hope that on balance my
>contributions on ast over the years have been helpful - although I
>realize that such has not been the case 100% of the time.
Whose has?
>This cross-posting stuff is an interesting troll concept.
Uh-huh.
I believe this is a Xpost and considering you were to have left SMC,
then you didn't, then you said you were leaving again, then you came
back to SMC "at the request of others" (lol) and now all you do is
TROLL Chung and Mu, where the hell do you get off calling ME a troll,
Nagler?
> My
>suggestion would be for you on ast and on SMC killfile the trolls -
>but this guy Mu changes nicks daily.
Updating killfiles is simpler than Xposting responses, Nagler.
>I tell you this, my ast friends, I will not be held hostage to a
>troll. I'll stop posting on SMC when I'm ready to.
I don't care if you NEVER stop posting. There is nothing I can do
about it but that doesn't mean you get a free pass on your hypocrisy.
> And, SuFein, you
>have a LOT of balls (no surprise there) coming on to SMC and claiming
>that *I* am harming ast because somebody ELSE crossposts.
uh-huh
> Whether you agree or disagree is not the reason for this post. This is
> Usenet; use it as you like. I will and am.
>
> Thank you for your time.
Who gives a "rat's ass".
PS
>> Whether you agree or disagree is not the reason for this post. This is
>> Usenet; use it as you like. I will and am.
>>
>> Thank you for your time.
>Who gives a "rat's ass".
I suppose, in coming up with that really new and unique comeback, you
missed the part where I said I didn't care if you gave your "ass" or
not.
PaulS
"PaulS" <gat...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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PS
"PaulS" <gat...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:08:50 -0500, "PaulS" <gat...@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
>It was not my intention to post this to sci.med.cardiology.
>Just did not notice it had been cross-posted until I was alerted to it.
Tough thing about Usenet. There isn't much hiding out when you show
your rat hairs.
they say that being engaged in new information helps grow more brain cells and
connections.
Purusing Usenet for these old posts wil undoubtedly dissolve the cells, as
already shown here.
Murray Grossan, M.D.
http://www.ent-consult.com
>what wonderful splendid infromation!
It would be helpful if you quoted the post so we would know who it is
that you are addressing.
> Now we don't have to waste time watching
>games on TV or in person, or even reading a book. Thanks to your important
>information, we can spend hours poring over old E mails.
ok
>Can anyone think of a more rewarding use of one's time?
Depends on what ails you. If you have tinnitus, I would think that
watching TV (if you can without pain or discomfort) or reading "old
emails" (we need to have a Usenet refresher course Doc) as a choice is
a no brainer.
>Now, you too can quote what was said June 24, 2000. Think how this will amaze
>and delight your friends and family.
Must be a bored group.
> And if you are single, think what an
>effective way to meet and amaze the opposite sex.
Must be a bored social life.
>who will be the first one to announce that they have read ALL the posts in the
>Usenet Archives!
The one who needs psychiatric help?
>Who will prove that they spend their waking hours to good
>purpose by reading 15,000 posts!
uh, beats me.
>they say that being engaged in new information helps grow more brain cells and
>connections.
>Purusing Usenet for these old posts wil undoubtedly dissolve the cells, as
>already shown here.
oh, ok. I guess your point is that "they" are wrong?
>Murray Grossan, M.D.
>http://www.ent-consult.com
Here's an alternative.
We could spend hours learning about post nasal drip.
http://www.ent-consult.com/pnd.html
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap040114.html
PLEASE,I ask you again,this is a newsgroup for people with tinnitus.If
you have a quarrel with someone,take it elsewhere.This is not the
place for it.
Aprilm1
>On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:25:57 -0500, Panoramic Mu_n
Aren't you a sweet thing?
Hey Stephen...tell us what you did to get banned from Tinnitus Support
Message Board this time, will you? Is it Chung's fault? Mine? Ron
Yoli's? Inquiring minds want to know.
>Hey Stephen...tell us what you did to get banned from Tinnitus Support
>Message Board this time, will you? Is it Chung's fault? Mine? Ron
>Yoli's? Inquiring minds want to know.
......................
Cross-posted to ast:
A thread on the Off-Topic forum contained some On-Topic posts dealing
with current tinnitus research. None of those posts discussed TRT.
I posted a request that the pertinent on-topic posts be transfered to
the Support forum.
I got banned because the admins claimed that I had thereby violated
Rule #2, which said that all requests of the Admins be made directly
to them via e-mail and not posted. The Admins said that I had been
respectful in my request, but that it appeared in the wrong place.
Now that's the truth.
I think it's a stupid rule, but a rule's a rule.
Thank you for caring. And thank you for sharing.
smn
Let's face it asshole. Many, many people hate your guts because of all the
hatred and lies you have spread to and about others over the process of the
last 6-7 years and 5-6 boards that i have counted so far.
Funny how almost every board that you persisted on does not exist anymore.
"Stephen Nagler" <nag...@tinn.com> wrote in message
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> Hey Stephen...tell us what you did to get banned from Tinnitus Support
> Message Board this time, will you? Is it Chung's fault? Mine? Ron
> Yoli's? Inquiring minds want to know.
"Ear Rings" <N...@spamit.com> wrote in message news:<350cb66b61dd54e8...@news.teranews.com>...
> You got banned because the Moderators there found something to hang on you
> and restore the board to real people again. This is never possible anywhere
> that you exist.
I think that there are more than enough groups to use without
moderation effecting the freedom to speak. Moderating a group is,
after all, only a personal way of dealing with what we don't want
others to hear. It does not mean that others who use the group don't
want to hear what is said. Some groups on the Internet which are
moderated are also very empty too.
I have come across some groups which are moderated by academics, who
theoretically shouldn't have time for to do it, so I wonder why
myself? People only do things like this to gain something back for
themselves out of it, whether it be power or personal gain in other
areas of life.
Controlling free speach simply moves people on to other places where,
funny enough, they often run into people who 'supposedly' didn't want
to hear them before.
Carol T
> She trolled
>for months and months on ast, joining three or four other trolls.
Moving you off to TROLL SMC.
>Then she changed her nick to llilly and baited on the moderated board,
>flying just below the radar so she wouldn't be banned. And finally
>she set up her own "exclusive" moderated board where a person must be
>screened prior to admission. Trolls welcome. Nagler supporters not.
Who and where are these "Nagler supporters?
>But I have gradually come to agree that the unmoderated forums have
>certain advantages. The biggest advantage is the preservation of free
>speech.
Stephen, I swear, you fully but unintentionally support the claim that
passing medical school can be easily done with a limited and singular
intelligence range.
Usenet is a drop in the bucket in the "preservation of free speech".
If DARPA took Usenet back tomorrow, free speech wouldn't be inhibited
one iota.
> Free speech does come at a cost.
What cost have you paid for free speech?
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap040114.html
It would seem that Dr. Nagler has quite a history.
It remains my hope that God helps him.
Humbly,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/
> You got banned because the Moderators there found something to hang on you
> and restore the board to real people again. This is never possible anywhere
> that you exist.
>
> Let's face it asshole. Many, many people hate your guts because of all the
> hatred and lies you have spread to and about others over the process of the
> last 6-7 years and 5-6 boards that i have counted so far.
>
> Funny how almost every board that you persisted on does not exist anymore.
Faith in the non-existence of Christ remains hatred.
Sorry you and yours were victimized by this hatred, Ear Rings.
It is ironic.
>
> Carol T
Thank you for your discerning thoughts, Carol.
May God continue to bless you, in Christ's name.
>> Terri
>> http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport
>
>It would seem that Dr. Nagler has quite a history.
It also appears he has landed his burden on SMC.
yippee.
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap040114.html
> Faith in the non-existence of Christ remains hatred.
<LOL> Gonna keep trying to peddle that disbelief=hatred thing forever.
Stupid on the face of it and logically as vapid as most of those
brilliant one-liners from Henny Chungman.
Pastorio
>
>Dr. Chung, please.
>
>"Ear Rings" twice threatened on the Internet to murder me and rape my
>wife - he was investigated by the authorities and subsequent to that
>investigation was arrested for that felony.
What say you, "Rings" ?
>You also might think about discontinuing your cross-posting. Makes
>you look like a troll.
Chung answers posts and I am the only one who options to Xpost for the
sake of both newsgroups. Being a SMC TROLL, nagler, you ought to
understand this well.
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap040114.html
> On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 19:55:05 GMT, Stephen Nagler <nag...@tinn.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Dr. Chung, please.
> >
> >"Ear Rings" twice threatened on the Internet to murder me and rape my
> >wife - he was investigated by the authorities and subsequent to that
> >investigation was arrested for that felony.
>
> What say you, "Rings" ?
>
> >You also might think about discontinuing your cross-posting. Makes
> >you look like a troll.
>
> Chung answers posts and I am the only one who options to Xpost for the
> sake of both newsgroups. Being a SMC TROLL, nagler, you ought to
> understand this well.
Mu,
Your X-posting appears to be appropriate.
>>Your X-posting appears to be appropriate.
>
>...............
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 21:17:02 GMT, Stephen Nagler <nag...@tinn.com>
wrote:
>Dr. Chung -
>
>You are showing your true colors here. And those colors are
>definitely NOT Christian. Even a Jew like me can see that.
I have never found a Jew that could tell me one thing about living
with Christ and you, Nagler, can't either.
><MarsN...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Chung answers posts and I am the only one who options to Xpost for the
>>sake of both newsgroups.
>
>..............
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 21:14:44 GMT, Stephen Nagler <nag...@tinn.com>
wrote:
>Dr. Chung's post about being "victimized by this hated" was
>cross-posted. That is why I suggested he stop.
I would suggest that you stop deleting the Xpost so that the archives
will reflect on alt.support.tinnitus of your most recent Usenet
"contributions" and TROLLING of Chung and I.
>Whether his cross-posting was for anybody's "sake" is questionable.
Question away.
>>>Your X-posting appears to be appropriate.
>>
>>...............
>
> On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 21:17:02 GMT, Stephen Nagler <nag...@tinn.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Dr. Chung -
>>
>>You are showing your true colors here. And those colors are
>>definitely NOT Christian. Even a Jew like me can see that.
>
> I have never found a Jew that could tell me one thing about living
> with Christ and you, Nagler, can't either.
Dear M_astaba: Nagler isn't talking about living with Christ. He's
talking about living with a quack/fraud doctor and his familiar, both
of whom claim to be Christian but whose claims about that are as phony
as the rest of what they say. Note "liar" neatly contained in that
word? Shoe fits...
Pastorio
>><MarsN...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Chung answers posts and I am the only one who options to Xpost for the
>>>sake of both newsgroups.
>>
>>..............
>
> On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 21:14:44 GMT, Stephen Nagler <nag...@tinn.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Dr. Chung's post about being "victimized by this hated" was
>>cross-posted. That is why I suggested he stop.
>
> I would suggest that you stop deleting the Xpost so that the archives
> will reflect on alt.support.tinnitus of your most recent Usenet
> "contributions" and TROLLING of Chung and I.
<LOL> About as transparent as Chung's posting to other groups for
someone's "convenience."
Hey, everybody. M_animal crackers has a suggestion about how someone
else should act. <LOL> For future generations and the value to human
history contained in posts to usenet.
>>Whether his cross-posting was for anybody's "sake" is questionable.
>
> Question away.
No need. Walks like a duck, QUACKS like a duck...
Pastorio
>>>>>>>> I have never found a Jew that could tell me one thing about
living
> with Christ and you, Nagler, can't either.<<<<<<<<<
The true Jewish people will rule over us all (Christian's included)
when they have recognised and accepted the Saviour. Their destiny is
within their own grasp, it always has been, but the sin keeps them
from Him. They cannot rule a people who cannot love them because there
is sin, no forgiveness and a dampening of the light. The only true Jew
who has ruled over non-Jews and the Jewish in name only, has been
Jesus.
Today's Jewish people, have yet to know a Saviour who is more than
Jesus is to the Christian's across the World. They will have to
present Him as The One who will rule over all other religious leaders
and allow them a loving respect which will give them the power to rule
nations. They must know and understand the evil that gives rise to the
forgiveness of sin by a sacrifice so powerful people will bow before
it for eternity. First they have to recognise Him through
recognising their own sins of not being true to their faith; that if
He has been/is amongst us they have sins from their forefathers that
they are carrying too. You see the Saviour of the Jewish people is He
who truly lives to the standards God set for them.
The Jews have a lot to teach people about living with The Saviour if
they are true to their own faith in all their ways. It's a tough call
for them, if it is to be their destiny. Time is immaterial to when the
Spirit finally falls on them from their own calling for forgiveness,
but the intrinsic qualities of their saviour will never change, He
will always be the truest of all the Jews.
Carol T
>Carol, I did not say I could not forgive Ear Rings. But Ear Rings has
>never asked me for forgiveness.
Assuming you aren't lying, his asking you for jack makes no difference
in his salvation. Preferable, worthwhile, yes. You don't determine his
fate.
You don't give salvation, Nagler, even though you believe in the false
Jewish model that "only man can forgive man".
>What he did do is say that he would murder me - that when I spoke in
>public (which I did a lot of back then} I should be concerned for my
>well-being because he had some sort of laser sight on his weapon.
What kind of weapon did he have? The use of laser for pinpoint
sighting is an art requiring high levels of weapon knowledge, bullet
trajectories, fall rates, distance to target, etc etc.
Was it a BB gun?
>And
>he threatened my family. He repeated the threat at least twice.
>That's against the law, Carol. It is a felony.
Rings, what say you to these charges by Nagler?
>At that time I had no idea who he was in "real life." I did not know
>if he was a Barney Fife or a Hannibal Lechter. That being the case, I
>reported the threat to the authorities. They asked if I thought it
>was real, and I said that I had no way of knowing for sure - but that
>my family and I were working under that assumption. We changed our
>plans, we didn't let the kids out of our sight, we were careful in
>public places. So they tracked him down. And they arrested him.
Rings, were you unfairly arrested? Were you convicted? Of what, if so
and what was your sentence?
I did find your penchant for lawsuits on Usenet posters "interesting".
And. of course, your constant threats mixed with a kind of psychotic
swearing.
May I quote?
"Just who the hell do you think you are?
Yea. It's me. Nagler And if you had the guts to say to my face what
you have been saying behind my back for the past few weeks - e-mailing
people as if you were I and posting various places in my name, you'd
be gumming your food for the rest of your damned life, you son of a
bitch. People come here and to the Tinnitus Message Board for support
and for information You come here to get your rocks off under the oh
so safe coward's cloak of cyber-anomity. I don't know what your
problem is ... but if your mother never loved you, it was for good
cause. Now get the hell out.
stephen nagler
(yea, check the headers)"
>"Look over your shoulder a lot...especially at ATA meetings and
>'publicity stunts.' Keep your curtains closed at home. If you see a
>red spot on your walls, get behind something solid."
>
>Caol, the law regards that kind of thing as a felony. The precise
>term is "Uttering a Threat." It is punishable by up to 18 months in a
>federal penitentiary. I took it seriously. I had to for my family's
>sake. And the Atlanta Police, the FBI, the Royal Canadian Mounted
>Police, and the local authorities in Ear Rings's jurisdiction - having
>reviewed the circumstances - took it seriously as well.
Was he convicted? Yes or no?
>Can I forgive him? Sure.
>Now I realize that Jesus asked God to "Forgive them for they know not
>what they do." But Ear Rings knows full well what he did back then -
>and what he continues to do now.
So did the Jews of the Sanhedrin. Do you forgive them for killing an
innocent man and having the Son Of God crucified for purely political
reasons?
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap040114.html
> >>Your X-posting appears to be appropriate.
> >
> >...............
>
> On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 21:17:02 GMT, Stephen Nagler <nag...@tinn.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Dr. Chung -
> >
> >You are showing your true colors here. And those colors are
> >definitely NOT Christian. Even a Jew like me can see that.
>
> I have never found a Jew that could tell me one thing about living
> with Christ and you, Nagler, can't either.
YMMV.
My experience has been a little different.
>
>Funny how almost every board that you persisted on does not exist anymore.
....................................
Not this one!
-jean
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..................
We're committed.
And you're going to be when we find out who you are :)
- jean
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"Ear Rings" <N...@spamt.com> wrote in message
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> Appears to be a aggressive, violent type to me. Funny he blames me for the
> actions of somebody else whilst threatening others. I thought Lix threatened
> him. One could think insanity may play a key in the mystery?
Before or after the tinnitus?
Perhaps when he finally accepts Christ into his heart, his transgressions
will be forgiven and he can then reap the benefits of what he sows, i.e. his
education, his experience and his professed willingness to help others in
peril. This man has all ther makings of a Christian Saint given the right
path and direction.
Too bad.
"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
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"Bush Lied" <bush...@whitehouse.now> wrote in message
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> At the point of threatening Lix back a few years ago? It appears as though
> he threatened many souls with legal and/or other monitary results from the
> links to old postings I have witnessed. Most here can prove within a few
> moments of research he lied repeatedly in his postings especially about Lix,
> Yoli, Conlon, Simpson and even himself.
>
> Perhaps when he finally accepts Christ into his heart, his transgressions
> will be forgiven and he can then reap the benefits of what he sows, i.e. his
> education, his experience and his professed willingness to help others in
> peril. This man has all ther makings of a Christian Saint given the right
> path and direction.
>
> Too bad.
Indeed, we are nothing without Christ.
May God continue to bless you and yours, in Christ's name.
> When you worship the Devil there is no peace.
Strife and discord are the ways and pleasures of Satan.
If are what you claim to be, this will be the end of it. If you are just a
phony Jesus freak, then I can expect yet another sarcastic reply.
thanks,
PaulS
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You preach non-sarcasm and honesty all the while using a name that ridicules
your very words . You are just a lost sheep in Christ's flock.
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On the otherhand you're fairly interesting when you
post on tinnitus topics and not baiting people.
Just FYI.
Bruce
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