UK WARNING! Becareful with some private "metabolic clinic" Doctors!!!
pac...@tiscali.co.uk
recently visited Dr. Barry Durrant-Peatfield who I knew he had been
suspended by the GMC (General Medical Coucil) back in 2001. I had no
problems with that since I had red the article about why he had been
suspended, which basically was due to no following the general accepted
guidliness about how to treat thyroid desease (and I could't care less
about guidliness myself, as long as I recover my health).
Right, so far so good, then I gave him a ring and he said that he holds
a clinic in Crawley. I took a day off work, and travelled several miles
down to Crawley. Then I was visited by him and he prescrived me with
some herbal remedies (vitamin c an liquorice for the ones interested)
and what was worse charged me 120 GBP for the visit (but that I already
knew beforehand), and said that I really didn't need to switch to
Armour since whith the herbs would be enough.
I thought it was a bit weird he prescribed me herbal remedies ONLY, so
I went and rang the GMC and guess what, he is not on the register,
which means that he cannot prescribe proper medicines (AND THAT, I DID
NOT KNOW!!!!).
Just to clarify things, I am not saying he is a bad DR, but he
certainly can't prescribe POM medicines, which I was missled to belive
in a conversation with him. So if you want to visit him, make sure you
are aware you will get natural remedies and not proper meds!.
Good look to all those in search for better health, and I supose my
advice is... do some reserach before going to some private clinics (GMC
phone is 0845 357 0022 or visit web site) because you may find you will
be left with nothing but a large bill in your bank account.
Cheers! :)
pac...@tiscali.co.uk
that he is not a registered Dr. anymore, I have calmed down a bit. Also
I don't want to use my energies sueing anyone, what I do want is to
sort out my health problems (lack of concentration, memory probs,
carpal tunel sydrome, pins and needles, etc.), which I thought I would
achive through my visit to Dr Peatfield, since I thought he had all
rights to prescribe meds (armour, T3, etc.). Nevertheless, I wanted to
tell everyone about my experience because I think that you can't be
deceived if you know what to expect.
So now I'm back to square one now, trying to find another Dr around
Hertforshire (UK) area that is open minded and willing to try different
treatment options other that T4 alone. So does anyone know any good Drs
of the kind I just mentioned??? I would very much appreciate if someone
could facilitate me a contact, since I can't wait any longer to feel in
good health back again...
Ow and finally, thanks again diadema! but I'll conetrate in my health
before I worry about anything else...
Cheers!
moriarte
T3. He didn't prescribe it himself but said it would be cheaper if I
did it through my own GP and wrote them a letter recommending it. He is
currently on some sort of probation with the GMC too, so maybe he can't
prescribe either? That didn't occur to me at the time.
He gave me a very large starting dose of T3, to be taken on top of my
normal meds, and it made me very very ill. When I talked to him, he was
at a loss to know what was wrong ( overdose didn't seem to occur to
him) and said I should try switching to Armour (just to make an even
bigger mess of my already destabilised endocrine system). As my GPs had
made clear their disapproval of the treatment I was reluctant to go to
them when I had bad symptoms, as I was afraid of being sucked into the
complaints process.
My advice about going to these alternative thyroid gurus is that they
seem merely to be a means for some people to self-medicate. I was asked
me how much I'd like to try ( 'erhem, aren't you the doctor?'). This is
fine if all goes well, but if it doesn't you are in an extremely
compromised position with your GP. I believe Peatfield does give
natural adrenal extracts which can have a similar hyper effect to the
one I suffered, so his non-prescription medications can be quite potent
and unpleasant if given ill-advisedly. I thought I'd got to the stage
with conventional medicine where it could no longer help, and anything
would be better. I was wrong, 'alternative' turned out to be a lot
worse, and I now have a really good GP who spotted I might have a rare
autoimmune condition which might account for some of the persistant
thyroid symptoms, something I'd never have got to the bottom of if I'd
carried on seeing Dr S.
Also see the recent thread where I voiced these concerns about Dr S in
question on TPA in answer to another member's query about him, and the
post was censored by the moderator (Peatfield and Skinner are both
advisors to this group, and it it not clear when you first join that it
is run by very biased parties). The philosophy here is that Drs P and S
are thyroid heroes, the only people in the country that can make you
better. My experience has been that this is simply not the case.
Another one to be wary of is a Dr Myhill, an ME guru this time; she has
a website that claims to offer a wide range of private tests; when you
contact her you get a very hard sell about some rubbish about
'mitochondrial nutrition' and however hard you argue, no information
about tests (as apparently you won't need them once you've started on
the programme). I've heard less quacking in my duck pens...
squirre...@virgin.net
been 'suspended' is suprising, (incidentally, he was never suspended,
he retired before the end of the case). You knew he had no prescribing
rights and he makes it clear to every patient that he CANNOT prescribe
medicine. He gives recommendations only - as every other patient of
his will tell you. He makes this clear in the initial literature he
sends out to his patients. If your appointment was at very short notice
and you didn't receive this package, then he always makes sure his
patients are aware of this when he sees them.
You should be aware that neither Vitamin C or liquorice are POM's but
are bought over the counter. Are you saying that he wrote you out a
prescription for these products ?
Dr. P told you how much his fee was before you attended and that
includes a questionnaire for you to complete, an hours consultation
(often going on longer), a written report on his findings and
recommendations and three follow-up telephone calls.
He obviously recommended what he thought you needed for the moment. You
can't expect to get Armour automatically as this product is not
suitable for everybody - and other things have to be taken into
consideration, especially if you have adrenal stress. Such problems
have to be addressed first. Many patients need to be given suitable
supplements first in order to get their body in a healthier state
before recommending further treatment, if needed. You should be guided
by his great knowledge and 40 years experience in this field.
I suspect that Dr. P asked you to keep in contact to see if you felt
any improvement after taking these supplements, and I would suggest
that you do this (all included in your fee) and at the same time, take
your grievance to him instead of complaining on a public forum and
phoning the GMC. If he had recommended Armour, (and I guess this was
what you were hoping for), you would have to purchase it privately,
unless, of course, your GP agreed to prescribe. It is not licensed in
the UK as it was 'grandfathered' in as there have never been any
problems with it, so NHS doctors who prescribe it would not be covered
by their insurance if anything should happen to you through taking such
medication.
There are many hundreds of patients who have regained their health
under the care a\nd guidance of Dr. Peatfield - and he would never
deliberately decieve, or mislead anybody.
janet talbot
problems than gp,s and most endo,s do,he was the only one to properly
diagnos me with inadequately treated hypothyroidism (15 years)and added
adrenal problems,this has been now proved with blood and salivary test,left
to my gp and endo who denied both of the above i would have been working my
way to an addisons crisis and possible death,this has now been admitted by
my gp.private endos charge more than £120 and my endo misdiagnosed me.the
medical profession are jealous of dr peatfield knowledge on thyroid and
adrenal problems and some have waged an unjustified,obsessive 20 year battle
against him because of their jealousy it is them and one endo in particular
that hauled him before the gmc,all dr peatfield wants to do is help people
get better where the medical profession is failing people through their lack
of training and knowledge about thyroid and adrenal diseases,i say thank god
for dr peatfield he saved my life.i think it makes good sense to try natural
meds before trying other meds,you can obtain thyroid meds such as armour
from the internet yourself.
<pac...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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Skipper
janet talbot wrote:
some have waged an unjustified,obsessive 20 year battle
> against him because of their jealousy it is them and one endo in particular
> that hauled him before the gmc,all dr peatfield wants to do is help people
> get better where the medical profession is failing people through their lack
> of training and knowledge about thyroid and adrenal diseases,i say thank god
> for dr peatfield he saved my life.i think it makes good sense to try natural
> meds before trying other meds,you can obtain thyroid meds such as armour
> from the internet yourself.
My thyroid doc knows Dr. Derry, he taught him a bit about prescribing
thyroid meds. It's awfully coincidental that about two weeks after the
Peatfield proceedings that Dr. Derry had already received notice that
he would have to go before the medical college in Canada to justify his
treatment of patients. No patient complaint, but allegedly an endo
didn't like the labs of one of Derry's patients. I would imagine that
they would look better to an endo than would the labs of one of Dr.
Lowe's patients in the USA as he tends to give high doses of T3, and
the TSH and T4 show up as -0-, and T3 is high and far out of range.
Derry and Durrant-Peatfield both had links on Mary Shomons website. If
the global medical establishment wanted to know who to go after to make
an example, they could have found two papers that had a big influence
on patients and some doctors. My thyroid doc treats the adrenals
because a patient brought in the paper from D-P that talks about the
adrenals. I got one of my children treated for hypothyroidism based on
the article on TSH by David Derry.
Of course "conpiracy theories" are always delusional, so in spite of
the rumor, it couldn't have been the same people leading the charge
against Derry that had finished attacking D-P only two weeks before.
There was also Dr. Derry's book which had recently came out, "Breast
Cancer and Iodine" and not only did he let people know about a
multitude of thyroid symptoms that one never hears about, he thinks
cancer can be prevented cheaply. Talk about all the medical care
industries that would affect!
(Practically 20% of USA GDP is now medical care. That's going to make
the population wealthy, don't you think? There's a good parody on that
on Mercola's website, about the town of allopath and how they fared,
the couldn't get rid of health problems because it was their whole
economy. It's becoming close to that in the USA. 20% wasted on drugs
and doctor visits, and very rarely is anyone cured.)
Make no mistake about it, the medical industry is globalized. We used
to have Upjohn by me, a locally owned drug company. There aren't too
many of those around any more that haven't merged. (Maybe Gilead, the
one that actually owns the patent on Tamiflu and Donald Rumsfeld owns a
substantial share in, wonder why the US Government bought a drug that's
only stated to help you get better a day or two sooner.) If the goal
in America wasn't socialized medicine, I doubt doctors would charge
more than 95% of patients could afford to pay per visit without
insurance, and insurance wouldn't be so hard to afford. Not to mention
they socialized medicare and now even have an expensive prescription
plan, under which the price of drugs cannot be negotiated. Talk about
influence, there's a lot of lobbying reasons why you hear vaccine
manufacturers shouldn't have any liability for their produce, and
maximum award for medical malpractice should be $250,000.
I strayed a little, but I know some people do have more problems with
D-P now because he shies away from prescription meds. If the naturaly
supplement will work better, you don't need the prescription. I'm not
sure if he can advise people to buy Armour on the Internet, or Cortef,
so if you do need prescriptions he might not be the best source.
Doctors over here are afraid too. I corresponded a lot with someone on
this list that was a patient of Dr. Langer ("Solved the Riddle of
Illness""), and in spite of her having symptoms mentioned in his book,
he wouldn't give her more than two grains of Armour. People say that
Arem (I don't remember his book, but he's an endo) also tends to leave
people in a slightly hypothyroid state. I knew of a local doctor who
treated for chelation and Wilson's Syndrome, helped a lot of people,
but the FDA came after him and he was suspended.
The good doctors are likely to be gun shy. Why shouldn't they be?
Skipper
Skipper
>some herbal remedies (vitamin c an liquorice for the ones interested)
>and what was worse charged me 120 GBP for the visit (but that I already
>knew beforehand), and said that I really didn't need to switch to
>Armour since whith the herbs would be enough.
I don't know your treatment was adequate.
Without trying it, do you?
Without adequate Vitamin C, you will have adrenal problems. Is there a
reason he might have thought you weren't getting adequate amounts?
Licorice helps keep the cortisol levels up, and does some of the same
things one adrenal drug does.
Adrenals should be healthy before starting thyroid treatment if
possible. Did he say, don't bother contacting me again, I don't care
if you improve?
Skipper
Daisy
becasue he is referred to as Dr. P and is the medical adviser to a
thyroid support group people may get the wrong impression about what it
is he does. He may be a brilliant complementary therapist but if he is
not registered with the GMC in the UK he cannot prescribe medications
and really sholud not be working in the capacity of a doctor. I know
that he helps many many people and he is a very kind and caring man
from all descriptions However, maybe it needs to be made much clearer
in the various thyroid support groups that he is not practising as an
endocrinologist when he sees you, but as a great therapist who has a
deep knowledge of thyroid disease. He has helped many many people -but
is approach will not suit all -no doc is suitable for all!
Thyroid UK have a comprehensive list of "Alternative Docs" who can
prescribe if anyone is looking for one.
Daisy
Kevin G. Rhoads
>becasue he is referred to as Dr. P and is the medical adviser to a
>thyroid support group people may get the wrong impression about what it
>is he does. He may be a brilliant complementary therapist but if he is
>not registered with the GMC in the UK he cannot prescribe medications
Dr. D-P is a medical doctor who was fully licensed to practice in the UK before the
GMC went after him. The complaints against Dr. D-P were from other doctors, and
patients of his who were happy with his treatment were discounted (after all, they
are not doctors, their opinion is thus irrelevant to that decision process). Since
Dr. D-P was fairly old, he decided that rather than fight the accusations in the GMCs
Star Chamber, he would, instead, retire from practicing medicine. As a result he
is no longer licensed to prescribe in the UK, but his medical knowledge has not been
erased by his retirement.
AFAIK, at this time Dr. D-P is providing consultation and advice, and makes it clear
that he will not be prescribing prescription medicines. Which is a legitimate
thing for a medical doctor with clinical experience to do. Whether that is worth
what he charges, each must decide for themselves.
pac...@tiscali.co.uk
also did not mention that he could not prescribe POM's. I take the
point that he does the best he can without the licensed medicines
arsenal, but I just did not know that (so I was a bit crossed). I also
know, that he used to use POM's and that he helped a lot of pateints
when he was registered.
Now, having said that he is nowadays using a "natural" / OTC medicines
catalogue to adress very seriuos health issues, which I agree it's
allright to use natural remedies, as long as this does not mean that he
will not prescribe better POM drugs if the patient would be better off
with them, only because he is not able to prescribe them. And this is
my real point.
In answer to "squirrel.stu" I have to say, that I am totally entitled
to bring this question to public debate for several reasons a) I have
no way of knowing others experiences unless if I bring the question to
a forum like this b) Because nothing that I have said was untrue,
therefore I could be benefiting people by giving them extra information
(and for free) c) Because it's my health and I want to be sure I am
getting the best treatment, without restrictions.
In any case, and probably because of my desperation I went down to the
shops and bought myself Vit C and liquorice, and bought thyro complex
too (22 squid for that). So I have started taking those now and I
really hope they will do something.
What I proabalby won't do is take my adrenal stress test that he
presscribe (which is 70 squids more on top), mainly because I saw the
name of the lab listed in a web site, and secondly because everyone
that visits him seems to have adrenal stress (which makes meI wonder
what are the QC and QA standards in that lab). The wbsite says the
following:
"When evaluating practitioners, we would regard routine use of any of
these laboratories as an unfavorable sign."
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/nonstandard.html
And that really made me be a bit suspicious and I don't tend to belive
anything I see in websites, but by the same token I don't belive
everything that Doctors say, since I have to satisfy myself, and that's
precisely what I am not).
So I am glad that he has helped a lot of people, for the moment I just
want to shop around and see what else is available and then I may
change my mind or maybe not.
Thanks for your all thecontributions, I have learnt something from
everyones comments. I would like to ask again about openminded
endocrine doctors in Herts, can anyone help?
Cheers!
Daisy
and
It is not harmless - if you need it -it will help -if you don't -too
much can ake you ill!
Daisy
Skipper
pac...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
> What I proabalby won't do is take my adrenal stress test that he
> presscribe (which is 70 squids more on top), mainly because I saw the
> name of the lab listed in a web site, and secondly because everyone
> that visits him seems to have adrenal stress (which makes meI wonder
> what are the QC and QA standards in that lab). The wbsite says the
> following:
> "When evaluating practitioners, we would regard routine use of any of
> these laboratories as an unfavorable sign."
> http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/nonstandard.html
> And that really made me be a bit suspicious and I don't tend to belive
> anything I see in websites, but by the same token I don't belive
> everything that Doctors say, since I have to satisfy myself, and that's
> precisely what I am not).
Almost a badge of honor to be on quackwatch. It really doesn't mean
anything.
I know one person whom he said didn't need Cortef, so he doesn't treat
everyone for "adrenal stress." However, many people have thyoid caused
"adrenal stress." (Usually people have high cortisol to compensate,
which causes weight gain, or they develop low cortisol.)
>
> So I am glad that he has helped a lot of people, for the moment I just
> want to shop around and see what else is available and then I may
> change my mind or maybe not.
I don't know if the herbs are as good as the prescriptions.
Skipper
pac...@tiscali.co.uk
knew he was a Dr (that was my assumption), and I was not told at any
time that he could not prescribe, just the opposite we discussed in
length about aromur on the phone, which he said that could help me (but
he NEVER said he would prescribe it to me), and then he suggested that
I visited him. So he never said he could prescribe, but never said he
couldn't...
pac...@tiscali.co.uk
potassium though my diet (eating lots of bananas basicly),
and I am more hypotense than the corpse of a mummy (max 10 min 60). So
I think I am safe. But thanx for posting, someone else could benefit
from that advice. Take care!
pac...@tiscali.co.uk
words... thanks for your wise comments.
janet talbot
stress test done is NOT on the web site you mentioned in your post they are
a very reputable lab and it is very resposible of dr p to tell people to
have an adrenal stress test to confirm his diagnosis. from janannta
<pac...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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janet talbot
recommended web site for quack laboratories are in the USA weird or
what!!!!!!!!
"diadema" <diadema...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "the name of the laboratory that dr p recommended me to have an adrenal
> stress test done is NOT on the web site you mentioned in your
>
> So what? The OP has said that the lab they were referred to is.
>
diadema
janet talbot
therefore i say goodbye to this newsgroup.news:1143721896.9...@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
squirre...@virgin.net
'Janet' is NOT me and the only labs I have had anything to do with are
NPTech based in Newmarket and www.metabolicmeds.com based in Spain.
I'm squirrel.stu... if you don't already know and have been for the
past 4 years if my memory serves me correctly.
In case MetabolicMeds is new to any of you (as it was to me until a
couple of weeks ago when they contacted me - they are a very
professional firm. They sell Armour, Eltroxin, Liothyronine,
5-Diiodotyrosine 50mcg (T2) (yes!). Nutri Adrenal Extra, Adreno-Lyph 80
and lots and lots of other stuff. Excellent information about
everything on their website. Their prices are very competitive - and
for all their medications, you don't need a prescription if you live in
Europe. I understand they also have a branch in America and they also
do laboratory testing.
Kind regards
Sheila
Kevin G. Rhoads
>anything.
It means something, but it doesn't mean it is quackery. The very first site on quackwatch
should be quackwatch. They are too ready to dismiss any form of medical practice that doesn't
line the pockets of the pharmaceutical companies and the AMA members.
I do NOT trust quackwatch and I certainly don't let their biased opinions dictate mine.
(I'm perfectly capable of forming my OWN biased opinions. ;-)
Daisy
labs in the UK have to meet strinent standards.
Daisy
janet talbot
for thyroid or adrenal problems
"Daisy" <claire.wo...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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kalla...@yahoo.co.uk
And is this sort of advertising allowed on google groups? Anyone know?
S
kalla...@yahoo.co.uk
diadema wrote:> If you were led to believe you would be having an appointment with a
> bona fide licensed doctor who has prescribing rights, then you have
> grounds for a formal complaint. I imagine Trading Standards and the
> Police might be interested in hearing of your experience.
Both Trading Standards and the Police would be very interested. They
prosecuted one 'doctor' recently for misleading people into thinking he
had GMC registration when he hadn't. That was by 'omission' rather than
'comission', too!
I would say that if you are looking for medical help and someone calls
themselves 'Dr' you would automatically think they are a registered
medical practitioner. hocking that 'pace' was deceived in this manner.
kalla...@yahoo.co.uk
glasses!
Incidentally, Squirrel, he really did not have much option but to
retire. I am not saying the GMC were right in what they did any more
than I am saying Durrant-Peatfield was wrong but they must have had
some serious concerns to bring an action against him and to persue it.
You may not like to read it, but you cannot change the truth.
S
Rod
news:1143724766.2...@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:
<snip>
> 'Janet' is NOT me and the only labs I have had anything to do with are
> NPTech based in Newmarket and www.metabolicmeds.com based in Spain.
<snip>
> In case MetabolicMeds is new to any of you (as it was to me until a
> couple of weeks ago when they contacted me - they are a very
> professional firm. They sell Armour, Eltroxin, Liothyronine,
> 5-Diiodotyrosine 50mcg (T2) (yes!). Nutri Adrenal Extra, Adreno-Lyph
> 80 and lots and lots of other stuff. Excellent information about
> everything on their website.
I guess that the information quoted below, which is all I could find on
www.metabolicmeds.com prior to buying (no - I didn't!), is in your mind
"Excellent information"? I consider it scandalously thin with no
information whatsoever on source, amount of T4 or T3, proportion of
T4:T3, warnings about use, nothing. Not even a URL for Forest
Pharmaceuticals or Armour Thyroid.
Whilst this seems to be par for the course (lack of product information
is endemic among secondary web-based suppliers), it is nothing to be
praised from the rooftops as you appear to be doing.
A couple of weeks hardly seems long enough to establish such a fulsome
opinion of any company. Especially one that apparently contacts people
out of the blue. (Certainly sounds like spamming, albeit possibly only
of selected potential 'opinion formers'.)
It always shrieks 'Beware' when I type a company name into Google - and
get *not a single hit* for MetabolicMeds. (Except, of course, for the
post I am replying to when searching google groups.)
Please make up your own minds.
"Armour Thyroid 1 Grain
Armour Thyroid 1 Grain Product Ref : 903
Manufacturer : Pharmacuticals
Armour Thyroid Forest Pharmacuticals A natural replacement for thyroid
hormone When a thyroid is either underactive, nonfunctioning, or has
been all or partly surgically removed, you may be hypothyroid. The
diagnosis is made by your physician. The traditional treatment for
hypothyroidism is thyroid hormone replacement, which involves taking a
prescription drug (T4, T3, or a combination product containing both T4
and T3) that acts similarly in the body to the human hormone thyroxine
that the thyroid would normally produce. Armour Thyroid, one of several
drugs available for the treatment of hypothyroidism, is a naturally
derived thyroid replacement containing both T4 and T3. Other products
are available which contain synthetic T4 and/or synthetic T3."
--
Rod
Daisy
it's hardly any wonder that so many docs think that thyroid patients
are head cases!
Daisy
Kevin G. Rhoads
>some serious concerns to bring an action against him and to persue it.
>You may not like to read it, but you cannot change the truth.
Really? So you believe that if the authorities, whatever ones there are for the matter,
make a case against someone, that there must be some substance to it?
Frankly, I'm not nearly so trusting.
squirre...@virgin.net
Oh, that is SO true Daisy. Do these people realise the damage they are
inflicting on our mutual cause? They seem happy to let NHS doctors,
many of whom appear incapable of finding a correct diagnosis (because
of their adherence to blood results), and therefore won't treat
hypothyroid patients - and these same people allow such a protocol
within to carry on within the NHS, and do nothing, YET, they appear to
take delight in doing whatever they can to 'kill off' those great
doctors who have given up their lives in their determination to give
thousands of patients (i.e.NHS failures), back their normal health.
I innocently posted a message bringing a new (to me) pharmaceutical
company to the attention of members yesterday, for the sole reason that
I was impressed with that company, and last night, received in my
inbox, a message from Kallaway saying "Tell me, Squirrel, are you on
commission from Metabolicmeds?" and "Is this sort of advertising
permitted on google groups?". My answer to the first was "I wish" and
to the second "Don't ask me - ask them!". If members don't want or need
help and support from this or any other forum, they should leave it to
those who do. One wonders at their agenda!
Sheila
kalla...@yahoo.co.uk
Kevin
Sheila was firmly of the opinion that Dr P had never been suspended but
he had, and the information is freely available on the GMC website and
was reproduced here by a member. He was not struck off because he
retired before that could happen.
Many doctors retire but maintain their registration so that they can
undertake locum work so I was a little surprised that he chose to let
his registration drop rather than prove his innocence.
So, whilst Sheila did not like a member (I think it was Diadema)
posting that Dr P was suspended and thus her having to read it my
comment was true, you may not like to read something but that does not
affect it's truthful standing.
I certainly do not believe the authroities and have an action pending
myself at the moment but they must have thought they were on sure
ground to have brought the action and then kept renewing the suspension
until he 'retired'.
What I do believe is that there are always two sides to the story and
given that doctors are notorious for sticking together against the
public it makes one wonder. My own belief is that many of them are
morally corrupt.
Sue
Kevin G. Rhoads
THe NHS brought an action against Dr. D-P, yes. Does that make their allegations
true? No. Does that mean "they must have had some serious concerns" -- no. It might
mean that, or it might mean it was all political.
I do not believe that bringing an action against someone means much of anything.
And the legal system, at least, in the US of A, like the UK one from which it
was derived, agrees: innocent until proven guilty means something only when people
see raising the question as ONLY raising the question. There was no PROOF, even
by the NHS Start Chamber standards of any wrongdoing. That Dr. D-P chose to
retire rather than fight is also no proof of wrong-doing.
The NHS brought an action against him. Those of us who have actually looked into
the allegations and who was raising them have formed our opinions.
Personally, everything I saw indicated that it was a politically motivated lynching,
and Dr. D-P took an out rather than attempt to defend himself against charges in
a corrupt politicized setting, where the deck would have been heavily stacked against
him.
You, of course, are entitled to your opinion, which may be considerably different,
or not.
But please don't try to convince me that the NHS bringing an action against someone
is proof of anything. It isn't, it never was, and it never will be -- and it is not
intended to be. It is just raising the question.
Barbara Needham
> But please don't try to convince me that the NHS bringing an action
> against someone is proof of anything. It isn't, it never was, and it
> never will be -- and it is not intended to be. It is just raising the
> question.
I just watched a program last night about people who give false
confessions when pressured by police -- that is simplifying the program
maybe too much but the bottom line -- well one of them anyway; is that
just because a person is accused of something doesn't make it true. IE
I'm agreeing with you.
--
Barbara Needham
squirre...@virgin.net
>>I guess that the information quoted below, which is all I could find on
www.metabolicmeds.com prior to buying (no - I didn't!), is in your mind
"Excellent information"? I consider it scandalously thin with no
information whatsoever on source, amount of T4 or T3, proportion of
T4:T3, warnings about use, nothing. Not even a URL for Forest
Pharmaceuticals or Armour Thyroid. Whilst this seems to be par for the
course (lack of product information is endemic among secondary
web-based suppliers), it is nothing to be praised from the rooftops as
you appear to be doing.<<
As www.metabolicmeds.com give you the name of the manufacturer, they
would probably expect people to go to that company's website to find
out more about that particular product. For most of their products,
they do give basic information, apart from a few where they give
extended information (see T2 for instance) and these are underlined in
red. Anybody could contact them if they had a mind to do so and ask
for the manufacturer's URL to be included. I have found them very
co-operative and open to sensible suggestions. The excellent
information I was referring to can be found if you click on "Health
Concerns".
>>A couple of weeks hardly seems long enough to establish such a fulsome
opinion of any company. Especially one that apparently contacts people
out of the blue. (Certainly sounds like spamming, albeit possibly only
of selected potential 'opinion formers'.) <<
It was long enough for me. I read all the information on their website
and I ordered Armour from them which arrived only 2 days later. I
formed my personal opinion very quickly. They gave me excellent service
and their writers give more information than many other pharmaceutical
companies. I asked them if they would stock 4 Grain tablets of armour,
and this will be showing during the course of the next few days. I also
asked them to stock Nutri Adrenal Extra - which they now do. As they
are very new and in the business of selling their products, I would
expect they are looking for customers and I assume they trawled the web
to find people/organisations/support groups and contacted them by way
of introduction. If I were in such a business, I would have done the
same. Wouldn't you Rob? I'm not saying that is what they did. All I
was sent was their URL which was addressed to me through our website
contact details and not my private Email address.
>>It always shrieks 'Beware' when I type a company name into Google - and
get *not a single hit* for MetabolicMeds. (Except, of course, for the
post I am replying to when searching google groups.) <<
They may be so new they haven't reached the search engines yet? This
can take some time. They may have taken over another firm and changed
names. There are many such possibilities.
Sheila
squirre...@virgin.net
>>Dr. P told you how much his fee was before you attended.....
>The only way you could know this is if you discussed this client with
Mr Peatfield. Clent confidentiality?<
....well, considering that I have no idea who Pace is, this would be
rather difficult don't you think? It is made very clear in the
Information Pack that Dr. P sends to ALL his clients what the fee is,
and he also tells everybody when they make an appointment. I know,
because he told me this when I made an appointment to see him, and he
sent me the said Pack.
>Well, your patron seems to send your members to
other labs according to the messages on your group. Maybe you're just
out of touch?<
I'm the first to admit that I am SO out of touch with SO many things
diadema, so thanks for attempting to keep me up-to-date. However, on
this particular point, so far as I am aware, Dr. P recommends at least
two different labs - one of which is, indeed, NPTech, which we
recommend to our members in the UK. Don't you realise that some labs do
specialist tests that other's don't. Does it upset you that he
recommends more than one lab?
>>squirrel.stu...@virgin.net wrote:
>>5-Diiodotyrosine 50mcg (T2) (yes!). <<
>You do know there is no such substance? Did you mean
3,5-diiodotyrosine because if you did, you're still wrong.
3,5-diiodotyrosine is not T2, it's DIT. You really should learn to
distinguish between your tyrosines and your thyronines. Chapter 2 of
Thryroid Manager explains it all very fully<.
Nope.....I'm not talking about T3. However, perhaps you would care to
contact metabolicmeds and let them know they've got it wrong. I'm
surprised you haven't seen this information already as it is widely
available on my group. They say........
"T2 5-Diiodotyrosine 50mcg: Description: T2 is taken up by the cells
and acts directly on the mitochondria. The T2 is used to produce ATP.
ATP is the fuel for our cells; it is the energy our cells use to
function. So you see, T2 is absolutely vital for the cells to function,
certain cells in the body depend on it.
If you take synthetic thyroid hormone you should add T2 to your daily
regime. If you are on a dessicated thyroid hormone additional T2 is not
needed as Dessicated thyroid hormone contains T2. If you are on T3
alone then T2 is a must. Go and read all about it. BTW - how do you
know that no such thing as T2 exists?"
This is one product where there IS extended information. You might find
it interesting. Let us know what you think.
Sheila
kalla...@yahoo.co.uk
diadema wrote:
Perhaps you might ask your recommended supplier
> exactly what substance is in the bottles they are selling and you are
> promoting.
What excellent advice but sadly you are talking to a person who on more
than one occasion has said her motto is 'Forget the rules, just get on
with the game'. So what matter a few thyronines and tyrosines between
friends?
What worries me with all this promotion of Armour, T3, T2 (and, oh, I
seem to remember discussions about T1, too) and now a plethora of
supplements and PO meds from MM is that some poor unfortunate,
desperately ill, and desperatate enough for help to try anything will
read all of this, try it and become worse in the process.
Oh, but then we have seen a number of people extol the virtues of
Armour on TPA and then become ill afterwards. And then there was one
poor lady who reported developing thyroid antibodies after using
Armour; an immune system reaction to elements contained in porcine
thyroid. The body is a very complex piece of apparatus and thyroid
illness is not simply a matter of controlling thyroxine levels by means
of supplementing either thyroxine or T3 or Armour, or any other
substance for that matter.
betht...@yahoo.co.uk
becoming a bore. AST is surely not for sales pitching but thyroid
support.
betht...@yahoo.co.uk
surprised you haven't seen this information already as it is widely
available on my group.
Is this the group that you run? ? Are you a moderator on AST? You only
seem to try and promote sales of drugs here or argue with other posters.
Rod
news:1143885562.2...@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
> Rob wrote:
No he didn't. I (Rod) did!
> As www.metabolicmeds.com give you the name of the manufacturer, they
> would probably expect people to go to that company's website to find
> out more about that particular product.
I did not suggest that they in some way inhibited anyone from so doing.
But I think that all suppliers should provide URLs if that is what they
intend. Sort of saves the guesswork. Should I go to the manufacturer's
website? Or not? Do they mean me to? Or not? I tend to think of car
adverts where they must show fuel consumption figures and not just leave
you to find them yourself.
> For most of their products,
> they do give basic information, apart from a few where they give
> extended information (see T2 for instance) and these are underlined in
> red.
I followed that. I did a little calculation. That seemed to suggest 150
mcg of T3 per kg per day. Or 7500 mcg for a fairly normal 50 kg person.
Can you explain what they say there? I can't.
> Anybody could contact them if they had a mind to do so and ask
> for the manufacturer's URL to be included.
We shouldn't need to! As a minimum, the information in the
manufacturer's information for patients and doctors notes should
automatically be available at the point at which products are described.
(Though it might be that this lot are no worse than many others.)
I have found them very
> co-operative and open to sensible suggestions. The excellent
> information I was referring to can be found if you click on "Health
> Concerns".
I must admit that I am more likely to trust www.thyroidmanager.org.
>>>It always shrieks 'Beware' when I type a company name into Google -
>>>and get *not a single hit* for MetabolicMeds. (Except, of course, for
>>>>>>the post I am replying to when searching google groups.)
>
> They may be so new they haven't reached the search engines yet? This
> can take some time. They may have taken over another firm and changed
> names. There are many such possibilities.
Indeed, which I why I said 'Beware' - not 'No way'.
It might be marvellous that there is another supplier of Armour. But I
don't think that you are doing anyone a favour by being trusting of, or
impressed by, them.
--
Rod
squirre...@virgin.net
exactly what substance is in the bottles they are selling and you are
promoting<
I asked them this on Friday and responded immediately. I have been
without BB since then so couldn't get back to you sooner. I would
suggest that if you need further details, you contact them direct.
"The T2 is 50mg 3,5-diiodotyrosine which is the same as
3,5-diiodothyronine (T2), the product is a micronised powder in a
vegetarian capsule".
Sheila
Daisy
squirre...@virgin.net wrote:
> "The T2 is 50mg 3,5-diiodotyrosine which is the same as
> 3,5-diiodothyronine (T2), the product is a micronised powder in a
> vegetarian capsule".
They are NOT the same.........your source is mistaken.
You do seem to muddle tyrosine and thyronine. They are different
molecules.
Daisy
squirre...@virgin.net
>I'm
surprised you haven't seen this information already as it is widely
available on my group<
Thanks for the confirmation Dawn.
Sheila
squirre...@virgin.net
>What worries me with all this promotion of Armour, T3, T2 (and, oh, I
seem to remember discussions about T1, too) and now a plethora of
supplements and PO meds from MM is that some poor unfortunate,
desperately ill, and desperatate enough for help to try anything will
read all of this, try it and become worse in the process<
Errrm! Isn't medication one of the things that health forums discuss?
Sheila
squirre...@virgin.net
about thyrosine or thyronine - I am neither medically or scientifically
qualified to do so. As I told diadema - if they have got it wrong, then
let them know.
Sheila
Daisy
T'was you that said the above???
Does the left hand not know what the right is doing????
Daisy
Daisy
the sign of a responsible site owner to make sure that the information
you post is correct? People are making decisions on medication based on
information available on your site. You really do have a duty of
responsibility to ensure all your information is accurate as possible.
Daisy
Dawn Wood
sorry what confirmation I don't understand Sheila. This is the first time I
have posted to this thread
Dawn not needing to hide her ID
www.thyroid-disease.org.uk
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Daisy
mgs sorted out? It's such an easy and common mistake isn't it -even
docs get it wrong -and kill people!
Daisy
squirre...@virgin.net
Daisy<<
Yes, it does, and I pasted that with a purpose and only she would
understand - so that's OK.
Sheila
Barbara Needham
> Yes, it does, and I pasted that with a purpose and only she would
> understand - so that's OK.
Are you sure you are OK?
--
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Dawn Wood
How many times do I have to tell you I'm not Beth nor any of the other names
you persist in saying I am, although I'm rather partial to drippy duck maybe
I'll adopt it!!. Hope that nomination has gone well BTW fingers crossed for
you
I was actually out at that time on Saturday at a party and have several
alibis if you want your solicitor to check
Dawn
alicia...@yahoo.co.uk
>
> Thyroid UK have a comprehensive list of "Alternative Docs" who can
> prescribe if anyone is looking for one.
>
> Daisy
Do these Doctors need letter from a GP and how do I contact the group?
Ali
kalla...@yahoo.co.uk
promotion for metabolicmeds that you have carried out both here and on
tpa-uk in the last couple of weeks.
I have no problem with information being made available in this manner
PROVIDING IT IS ACCURATE!
In this thread alone it has been pointed out to you that there are
several errors in the information that you have posted regarding these
products.
You replied:
let them know.
I would suggest that, for everyone's safety, in future you confine your
activity to posting links and a brief explanation rather than paste or
copy technical information which you clearly do not understand. Would
it not bother you if someone acted upon your glowing recommendations
and was subsequently ill?
Then there is another worrying aspect of your behaviour and I, too,
feel that I must ask if you are OK.
You seem to be so mixed up of late:
* tyrosines and your thyronines',
* suspension of doctors as opposed to being being struck off
* your mcgs and mgs
* you state that a patient was told in advance of an appointment and
then say you don't even know the patient.
* mixing up BethTelford with Dawn so that Dawn had to ask
? sorry what confirmation I don't understand Sheila. This is the
first time I have posted to this thread
* You have confused poor Daisy to the extent that she has had to say:
errrrr...Beth was quoting you there?
T'was you that said the above???
Does the left hand not know what the right is doing????
And you have certainly confused me by posting to and even arguing with
Beth Telford. If I am not mistaken, is this not your own pen name under
which you used to write or illustrate children's books.
It seems to me, Squirrel, that you are in danger of losing your nuts,
so I seriously suggest you scamper back up your own ......
eh, tree and take a bit of a rest before the typos and cut and pastes
cause someone harm.
Daisy
this is the link - you will need to join to get the docs list - this
is as some of the docs did not want their details on the interenet!
Daisy
Dawn Wood
this neck of the woods if that's what you meant by confirmation after you
checked Beth's headers, (a little habit of Sheila's so she can check if
people who are who they say they are is checking the isp addy in the headers
to see if they match)
Carry on flinging unsubstantiated accusations about me and I may need a very
public apology at the very least
Dawn
"Dawn Wood" <da...@agesofelegance.co.uk> wrote in message
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Dawn Wood
packs reprinted with the correct information and sent to all the people you
sent the original mistyped packs to.
My contact at MAS was not impressed when I told her you had given her nurses
the wrong information to quote during the helpline and had not even had the
courtesy to let them know when you discovered this. I have had to get in
touch with Dr Peatfield myself to ask him to verify the correct information
so they are not liable for your typing mistakes
Also please make sure my name is taken off as helpline contact in the pack.
I am not comfortable with the calls I am taking for your organisation, when
I am in the process of setting up my own local group
Dawn
"Daisy" <claire.wo...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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alicia...@yahoo.co.uk
ta for that
squirre...@virgin.net
>>Your supplier is wrong, which speaks volumes about them not to mention
you and your fulsome trumpeting of them. You are irresponsible and a
danger to thyroid patients.<<
That is your opinion!
You asked me to do some "very dirty work" - which I was happy to do and
I wrote to MM asking for their comment regarding the ingredients in T2.
Below is their response which I received today (cut and pasted word for
word). I did NOT write anything about T2 or T1 nor did I tell anybody
what I THINK T2 or T1 is. I cut and pasted the information from the
website on to here. Perhaps you would be good enough to pass comment on
whether they are correct or incorrect.
________________
"Dear Sheila
Answer from compounding pharmacist regarding T2.
diiodotyrosine, diiodothyronine and diiodothyroxine are all synonyms of
each other, but to be T2, they must be preceded by a 3 and a 5.
There are three forms of T2:
3,3'-Diiodotyrosine (3,3'-T2) can be formed from the deiodination of
Triiodothyronine by the 5-Deiodinase enzyme or from Reverse T3 by the
5'-Deiodinase enzyme.
3',5'-Diiodotyrosine (3',5'-T2): This is an inactive isomer that is
formed from Reverse T3 by the 3-Deiodinase enzyme.
3,5-Diiodotyrosine (3,5-T2): This is the most metabolically active
isomer. This form can only be formed from the deiodination of
Triiodothyronine by the 3'-Deiodinase enzyme. This is the form that we
use."
Velvet
that your experience really was the PITS? WHY do you perpetuate bad
medical practise by paying the private salaries of bad medical
practitioners who DO NOT inform you, as the prospective patient,
BEFOREHAND, that they cannot prescribe certain strength drugs and that
therefore YOU, THE PATIENT are to receive inferior treatments for a
metabolic disease as they cannot offer you the fullest POSSIBLE
treatments available at their disposal? WHY did you write this post to
encourage OTHER patients to follow your lead and seek out inferior
treatments from bad medical practitoners at inflated private cost?
Is what 'I' want to know.
moriarte
cause? They seem happy to let NHS doctors, many of whom appear
incapable of finding a correct diagnosis (because of their adherence to
blood results), and therefore won't treat hypothyroid patients - and
these same people allow such a protocol within to carry on within the
NHS, and do nothing, YET, they appear to take delight in doing whatever
they can to 'kill off' those great doctors who have given up their
lives in their determination to give thousands of patients (i.e.NHS
failures), back their normal health. "
Judging from the number of people on TPA who seem to regularly end up
running to the GPs or casualty with severe hyper symptoms, either from
injudicious use of T3 or adrenal supplements I think these 'great
doctors' are inflicting damage on their own cause quite frankly.
Encouraging people to self medicate is thoroughly irresponsible in my
opinion, and one sees the evidence of it daily on TPA. Just because
there are a lot of bad, lazy and unsympathetic conventional doctors
doesn't make the alternative ones infallible.
moriarte
seem to remember discussions about T1, too) and now a plethora of
supplements and PO meds from MM is that some poor unfortunate,
desperately ill, and desperatate enough for help to try anything will
Yes, that's the position I was in 9 months ago. Guess what, I was taken
in by it, and was made really ill as a result. I wish the honesty about
these medicines expressed on these threads had been evident when I was
doing my initial research.
pac...@tiscali.co.uk
principle, I am affraid. I could but I won't waste my time turning the
argument back in my favour. In any case, the whole point of starting
this post was to let everybody know, that this doctor NOWADAYS! can't
prescribe POM drugs. If everyone knows that beforehand then is up to
every individual to decide whether they want to go and visit him or
not.
I consider this post finished because I made my point.
Hope help someone at some point in the future.
Good luck to all.
Daisy
wold make me better - I had convinced my GP -it made it very hard to go
back -eat humble pie - and say that I felt even worse than I had done
before!
Luckily I move house and could start with a clean slate with new GP
-and get good old thyroxine in a bo-standard dose -and I feel fine
-well- well enouh to run a busy small-holding and teach part time!
Daisy
Daisy
does this help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
for goodness sake -be told!
Daisy