Isn't it interesting......
Jenny's Sugir Daddy
wannabes when they show up here and yet the biggest fake of all is
sitting right under their noses and they remain suspiciously silent
about her.
Yep, you guessed it, I'm talking about good old Jennifer. Spent years
writing trans porn here, has spent years stringing everybody along
claiming she's really a transsexual and she's going to have SRS any
minute now, all things that get Diane and Elaine's hyperactive radars
going off like crazy, and now she's running around with a transfan she
just met in the newsgroups a few weeks ago and NARY A WORD ABOUT IT
FROM ELAINE OR DIANE.
They're probably jealous, wishing it was them Sugir Daddy was banging
instead of Usher.
Jennifer Usher
""E'" <no...@noway.com> wrote in message
news:kdUNd.2800$mG6....@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Actually you're probably right, troll. I believed that what she said was
> true but it obviouly was not.
Your mistake.
> > They're probably jealous, wishing it was them Sugir Daddy was banging
> > instead of Usher.
>
> LOL .....hardly.
No, in all honestly, you would have to reach the point where you actually
have a knowledgeable grip on what the situation really is. Right now you
seem to be pissed that I won't join your vendetta against someone who is not
guilty of the behavior you believe he is.
--
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
"Jenny's Sugir Daddy" <je...@gotanewdaddy.cum> wrote in message
news:Z7MEIMEM38391.3686921296@reece.net.au...
> Elaine and Diane are always the first to sniff out the fakes and
> wannabes when they show up here and yet the biggest fake of all is
> sitting right under their noses and they remain suspiciously silent
> about her.
ROTFL!!! Another anonymous troll without a clue. Or more likely the same
idiot who keeps showing his shortcomings here regularly.
> Yep, you guessed it, I'm talking about good old Jennifer. Spent years
> writing trans porn here, has spent years stringing everybody along
> claiming she's really a transsexual and she's going to have SRS any
> minute now, all things that get Diane and Elaine's hyperactive radars
> going off like crazy, and now she's running around with a transfan she
> just met in the newsgroups a few weeks ago and NARY A WORD ABOUT IT
> FROM ELAINE OR DIANE.
What a joke. I wrote ONE piece of political satire in the form of bad TG
fiction, which was not even posted to this group (a violation of the
charter, like posting binaries), am on track to have SRS this year which is
not the same as "any minute now" (didn't you hear, I have it covered by
insurance), and Diane and Elaine know enough about me to know my story is
true. The only one who seems to have a problem is you, and your stupidity
as regards this matter is clearly obvious.
> They're probably jealous, wishing it was them Sugir Daddy was banging
> instead of Usher.
Perhaps, though I doubt it. Now, as to you, well you just might well be
jealous.
--
Jennifer Usher
Sugir
""E'" <no...@noway.com> wrote in message news:EMUNd.2828
> Good luck....I want nothing more to do with you.
You want nothing more to do with anyone.
Right?
Or name one!
I dare you, fuckup.
We'll then see if they want anything to do with you
after they understand how full of shit you are.
I say that you need to leave this /support/ group, and
figure out some basic issues.
You ain't support to anyone.
You are just a fuckup.
Sugir
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diane...@yahoo.com
> Just quit lying about yourself and your supposed upcoming SRS. If
> you were actually a transsexual woman you would have nothing to do
with this
> guy.
>
> Good luck....I want nothing more to do with you.
Isn't that kind of harsh Elaine?
I mean I recall dating my share of transfans - especially in my very
early years. I think we do that because we find easy acceptance there
- something that is not easily obtained in the beginnings - and as a
pre-op.
I have known *many* TS woman who dated transfans and hey - as I said -
I did my share of dating them myself. So I think that you're a little
off base by saying that you can't be a TS if you fate a TF (trans fan
<heh> ). You believe that I'm a woman and you know that I date TF's
hence.....
FWIW I know more then a few woman and TS women who now believe that
simply partipating *here*, in obviously dysfunctional places like this,
raises doubts about one's TS motivations. So.... we should be more
careful about our opinions of other's motivations, IMHO. <except for
Lyle and Bill... all assumptions about them are de facto always true -
of course <heh> >
Sugir
<diane...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1107884901.5...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> "E' wrote:
>> Just quit lying about yourself and your supposed upcoming SRS. If
>> you were actually a transsexual woman you would have nothing to do
> with this
>> guy.
>>
>> Good luck....I want nothing more to do with you.
>
> Isn't that kind of harsh Elaine?
>
> I mean I recall dating my share of transfans - especially in my very
> early years. I think we do that because we find easy acceptance there
> - something that is not easily obtained in the beginnings - and as a
> pre-op.
So you are supposed to be Jenn's friend, and you can't believe
that I could care less about TS? She knows me very well,
and has told you all quite plainly. Do you call her a liar, or do
you figger Jenn is just deluded.
Is "transfan" the name given to /anyone/ that is willing to consider
a relationship with a TS????
Pretty stupid to call them names, IMO, if they are your best hope
of relationship, but whatever, that's your problem, not mine.
The fact is, if things don't work out with Jenn, I have NO plans on
<even> considering a TS for the position I advertised for.
My alt.com ad was changed long ago to uncheck the TG/TV/TS box
that got me into /this/ in the first place.
So if you can talk Jenn out of /me/, I'll leave and you
have one less person to call names. :)
Learning about TS has been interesting, and I am sympathetic
to TS problems, and open to a relationship with Jenn, but beyond
that, I would suggest that calling me a transfan mostly sounds like
you are ignorantly flattering yourself.
>
> I have known *many* TS woman who dated transfans and hey - as I said -
> I did my share of dating them myself.
You flatter yourself.
That blowup Ken in the closet doesn't count.
Sandra
Sandra
"Sugir" <Su...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:42090645$1...@127.0.0.1:
diane...@yahoo.com
> Is "transfan" the name given to /anyone/ that is willing to consider
> a relationship with a TS????
Heavens no!
A transfan is a name given to (inevitably) a male who hangs out in drag
clubs or TS oriented internet groups hoping to hook up. He's
(inevitably) going to tell you that he's not gay and likes women and
nine times out of ten the first thing he'll do when the clothes come
off is make a grab for the very thing the TS wants to relieve herself
of (he likes "functional TSs you see) and the other one time he'll want
to be "done".
Hope that helps!
and if the show fits....
Jennifer Usher
> There is no "vendetta" you are a TG person in love with a transfan.....no
> problem. Just quit lying about yourself and your supposed upcoming SRS. If
> you were actually a transsexual woman you would have nothing to do with
this
> guy.
I am not lying about anything. I have insurance that will cover my surgery,
and Sugir is not a transfan. Believe it, or not, but you are not
omniscient. And I am sure the HBIGDA will be wanting to add "Not having
anything to do with men who Elaine thinks are transfans," to the diagnostic
criteria in the SOC. I will ask my former therapist, who is a member, to
prepare the paper for submission.
> Good luck....I want nothing more to do with you.
Well, I have no problem with that, since you are simply full of crap. When
you get over yourself, we can talk.
--
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
> Isn't that kind of harsh Elaine?
Actually, I think it is more sad than anything.
> I mean I recall dating my share of transfans - especially in my very
> early years. I think we do that because we find easy acceptance there
> - something that is not easily obtained in the beginnings - and as a
> pre-op.
Oh, I've dated a few. I didn't really care for it. Of course, I suppose
it depends on how you define "transfan." I define it as someone who
objectifies someone's state of being a physical male who identifies and/or
presents as a female. Put another way, they are looking for a "chick with a
dick." Tom does not have that orientation, and thus is not, in my opinion a
transfan. It may be that Elaine would consider any man who would date a
pre-op to be a transfan. And any transsexual who is not totally celibate
before SRS as a TG.
> I have known *many* TS woman who dated transfans and hey - as I said -
> I did my share of dating them myself. So I think that you're a little
> off base by saying that you can't be a TS if you fate a TF (trans fan
> <heh> ). You believe that I'm a woman and you know that I date TF's
> hence.....
You know, the funny part of all this, is neither me, nor Sugir were looking
for each other. We just sort of happened. We connect on a number of levels
besides physical, and perhaps more on those levels, right now. That's not
to say that the sex isn't wonderful, but then again, that is really not
anyone's business anyway.
> FWIW I know more then a few woman and TS women who now believe that
> simply partipating *here*, in obviously dysfunctional places like this,
> raises doubts about one's TS motivations. So.... we should be more
> careful about our opinions of other's motivations, IMHO. <except for
> Lyle and Bill... all assumptions about them are de facto always true -
> of course <heh> >
One does have to wonder sometimes.
--
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
"Sugir" <Su...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:42090645$1...@127.0.0.1...
> So you are supposed to be Jenn's friend, and you can't believe
> that I could care less about TS? She knows me very well,
> and has told you all quite plainly. Do you call her a liar, or do
> you figger Jenn is just deluded.
Well, yes, Diane is my friend. And no, I am not deluded.
> Is "transfan" the name given to /anyone/ that is willing to consider
> a relationship with a TS????
I am beginning to wonder that myself. It is certainly not how I would
define the term. But then again, my self-image is not so poor that I would
feel the need to. Of course, if you take that view, then what about men who
willingly date post-ops?
> Pretty stupid to call them names, IMO, if they are your best hope
> of relationship, but whatever, that's your problem, not mine.
I agree, it is a problem. If I wanted to date a transfan, I could have my
choice just by going to Diva's. Shoot, I could even supplement my income
there. <g> As I said, I have gone out with a few transfans. I didn't
really like it at all. In fact, for over a year I was in a "relationship"
with a straight guy who was very nice, took me to a lot of movies, but
wouldn't even kiss me. I never really understood the dynamics of our
relationship completely, but he was better than dating a transfan. I
finally find a decent guy, and everyone refuses to believe it is even
possible.
> The fact is, if things don't work out with Jenn, I have NO plans on
> <even> considering a TS for the position I advertised for.
Well, I don't know about anyone else, but that pretty much rules out you
remotely being a transfan in my mind.
> My alt.com ad was changed long ago to uncheck the TG/TV/TS box
> that got me into /this/ in the first place.
>
> So if you can talk Jenn out of /me/, I'll leave and you
> have one less person to call names. :)
Sugir, I make up my own mind about my relationships. They are not going to
talk me out of anything in that regards.
> Learning about TS has been interesting, and I am sympathetic
> to TS problems, and open to a relationship with Jenn, but beyond
> that, I would suggest that calling me a transfan mostly sounds like
> you are ignorantly flattering yourself.
Again, I think it is more self-deprecating than anything else. It is not
just the women here. One of the women I work with has made remarks like,
"Well, we just have to settle for what we can get..." I work with clients
who have been in abusive relationships because they thought they could not
find a decent guy. I have others who are sex workers, at least in part,
because they think that is the only way they can have a man notice them.
> > I have known *many* TS woman who dated transfans and hey - as I said -
> > I did my share of dating them myself.
>
> You flatter yourself.
> That blowup Ken in the closet doesn't count.
Now be nice.
--
Jennifer Usher
Sugir
She is referring to some "transfan". I can't relate.
You did the same (a little).
I apologize for the blowup-gag, but in all honesty, I've told my
story /str8 UP/.
Jenn knows me fairly well, and at least regards transgenderism,
she has vouched for me, and my story.
I really don't like being labelled inappropriately by a black and white
dumbness that can't allow for someone that /just happened into TG/.
Fine, I can defend myself. :)
But what people are doing to Jenn is pretty sad.
How's the weather?
Sugir
"Sandra" <Sand...@notmyrealaddy.com> wrote in message news:Xns95F78C79A...@151.164.30.94...
Jennifer Usher
<diane...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1107902685.0...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> Heavens no!
> A transfan is a name given to (inevitably) a male who hangs out in drag
> clubs or TS oriented internet groups hoping to hook up. He's
> (inevitably) going to tell you that he's not gay and likes women and
> nine times out of ten the first thing he'll do when the clothes come
> off is make a grab for the very thing the TS wants to relieve herself
> of (he likes "functional TSs you see) and the other one time he'll want
> to be "done".
Okay, that is not the case here. Tom is here because he had met a
transsexual, was trying to help her, and she took off. We met because I was
trying to help her also. He was not looking for another transsexual.
Believe it, or not, but ours is pretty much a conventional beginning for a
relationship. Two people who meet for some reason, who then discover a
mutual attraction. And for those here who maybe don't quite grasp the who
thing, I was the one who made the first real move. I casually mentioned I
was looking for a relationship. Tom did not approach me, or anything like
that. As to the rest of what you said, I am not "fucntional" and yes, I
have met guys like that. My response is very simple. I ask them, "What
part of 'I am a woman' do you not understand, jerk?"
> Hope that helps!
> and if the show fits....
It doesn't fit. What can I say? I guess I am just lucky. Now, maybe I
should consider buying a few lottery tickets..... I mean, I will be honest,
the odds are probably not much worse of winning the big prize in Super Lotto
than finding a guy like Tom.
--
Jennifer Usher
diane...@yahoo.com
Sugir wrote:
> I really don't like being labelled inappropriately by a black and
white
> dumbness that can't allow for someone that /just happened into TG/.
A Long Long Time Ago...
In A Galaxy Far Far Away....
I used to hang out at a drag bar called the "Queen Mary" a lot.
The number of men who sat beside me and said to me, "Hey I didn't know
what kind of bar this is, I just walked into this place to get a bear.
So...ummm....do you date? " never failed to surprise me.
It doen't surprise me any more.
Sugir
"Jennifer Usher" <jenni...@hotpop.com> wrote in message news:36t1ihF...@individual.net...
>
> .. like Tom.
??
>
> --
> Jennifer Usher
Sugir
<diane...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1107902685.0...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Not at all.
You aren't keeping up.
Sugir
"Jennifer Usher" <jenni...@hotpop.com> wrote in message news:36t14gF...@individual.net...
>
> "Sugir" <Su...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:42090645$1...@127.0.0.1...
>
>> So you are supposed to be Jenn's friend, and you can't believe
>> that I could care less about TS? She knows me very well,
>> and has told you all quite plainly. Do you call her a liar, or do
>> you figger Jenn is just deluded.
>
> Well, yes, Diane is my friend. And no, I am not deluded.
But your so-called friend thinks you are.
>
>> Is "transfan" the name given to /anyone/ that is willing to consider
>> a relationship with a TS????
>
> I am beginning to wonder that myself. It is certainly not how I would
> define the term. But then again, my self-image is not so poor that I would
> feel the need to.
Learning to dance requires dancing.
> Of course, if you take that view, then what about men who
> willingly date post-ops?
Alas, my /dating/ is restricted.
>
>> Pretty stupid to call them names, IMO, if they are your best hope
>> of relationship, but whatever, that's your problem, not mine.
>
> I agree, it is a problem. If I wanted to date a transfan, I could have my
> choice just by going to Diva's. Shoot, I could even supplement my income
> there. <g>
And will you bring it home to Sugir? :)
> As I said, I have gone out with a few transfans. I didn't
> really like it at all. In fact, for over a year I was in a "relationship"
> with a straight guy who was very nice, took me to a lot of movies, but
> wouldn't even kiss me. I never really understood the dynamics of our
> relationship completely, but he was better than dating a transfan. I
> finally find a decent guy, and everyone refuses to believe it is even
> possible.
Sorry, Jenn.
>
>> The fact is, if things don't work out with Jenn, I have NO plans on
>> <even> considering a TS for the position I advertised for.
>
> Well, I don't know about anyone else, but that pretty much rules out you
> remotely being a transfan in my mind.
Sorta kinda, hunh?? :)
>
>> My alt.com ad was changed long ago to uncheck the TG/TV/TS box
>> that got me into /this/ in the first place.
>>
>> So if you can talk Jenn out of /me/, I'll leave and you
>> have one less person to call names. :)
>
> Sugir, I make up my own mind about my relationships. They are not going to
> talk me out of anything in that regards.
Why I teased... <kiss> :)
>
>> Learning about TS has been interesting, and I am sympathetic
>> to TS problems, and open to a relationship with Jenn, but beyond
>> that, I would suggest that calling me a transfan mostly sounds like
>> you are ignorantly flattering yourself.
>
> Again, I think it is more self-deprecating than anything else. It is not
> just the women here. One of the women I work with has made remarks like,
> "Well, we just have to settle for what we can get..." I work with clients
> who have been in abusive relationships because they thought they could not
> find a decent guy. I have others who are sex workers, at least in part,
> because they think that is the only way they can have a man notice them.
Or the only way they can make a living.
>
>> > I have known *many* TS woman who dated transfans and hey - as I said -
>> > I did my share of dating them myself.
>>
>> You flatter yourself.
>> That blowup Ken in the closet doesn't count.
>
> Now be nice.
Yeah, well.. if they tuck the "transfan" thing I'm as sweet
as green tea ice cream. :)
Sugir
>
> --
> Jennifer Usher
Paulinev01
>So...ummm....do you date? " never failed to surprise me.
Be carefull you may find dating a bear less then exciting. What kind of beer
did the bear order? Hamms
WHEN ITS TIME ITS TIME
The hardest step of any journey is the first,
The most satisfying is the last.........
www.TAVAUSA.org
www.TSTGSociety.org
REV Pauline Overby
www.churchofopenassumptions.org
PAULINE/Paula
Sugir
"Paulinev01" <pauli...@cs.com> wrote in message news:20050208212725...@mb-m28.news.cs.com...
> >s, I just walked into this place to get a bear.
>>So...ummm....do you date? " never failed to surprise me.
>
> Be carefull you may find dating a bear less then exciting. What kind of beer
> did the bear order? Hamms
"Rolling Rocks"... :)
Sugir
>
> WHEN ITS TIME ITS TIME
> The hardest step of any journey is the first,
> The most satisfying is the last.........
> www.TAVAUSA.org
> www.TSTGSociety.org
> REV Pauline Overby
> www.churchofopenassumptions.org
> PAULINE/Paula
Jennifer Usher
"Sugir" <Su...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:42096...@127.0.0.1...
>
> "Jennifer Usher" <jenni...@hotpop.com> wrote in message
news:36t1ihF...@individual.net...
> >
> > .. like Tom.
>
> ??
Sorry...
--
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
<diane...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1107909109.6...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> A Long Long Time Ago...
> In A Galaxy Far Far Away....
> I used to hang out at a drag bar called the "Queen Mary" a lot.
> The number of men who sat beside me and said to me, "Hey I didn't know
> what kind of bar this is, I just walked into this place to get a bear.
> So...ummm....do you date? " never failed to surprise me.
>
> It doen't surprise me any more.
I can imagine. But I can assure you, that is not the case here. And yes, I
need to call you when I can.
--
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
>
> "Paulinev01" <pauli...@cs.com> wrote in message
news:20050208212725...@mb-m28.news.cs.com...
> > >s, I just walked into this place to get a bear.
> >>So...ummm....do you date? " never failed to surprise me.
> >
> > Be carefull you may find dating a bear less then exciting. What kind of
beer
> > did the bear order? Hamms
>
> "Rolling Rocks"... :)
Nah, it would be Michelob Honey Lager.
--
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
<diane...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1107909109.6...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> A Long Long Time Ago...
> In A Galaxy Far Far Away....
> I used to hang out at a drag bar called the "Queen Mary" a lot.
> The number of men who sat beside me and said to me, "Hey I didn't know
> what kind of bar this is, I just walked into this place to get a bear.
> So...ummm....do you date? " never failed to surprise me.
A "bear?" In a drag bar? I don't think so. You sure you weren't down on
Folsom Street? <g>
--
Jennifer Usher