deb marsh a molester?

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No_Molesters

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Sep 24, 2001, 10:53:14 AM9/24/01
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It has been discussed here that Deb Marsh sexually abuses boys. If so, why is
he still running around free? He claims that his boyfriend Harry Shuster was
sexually abused as a boy, and that it turns them on and sexually excites them.
When they are having sex they like to play that Debs is sexually abusing little
Harry all over again. That is perverted.

Debs claims he is a post-op transsexual. What proof is there of this? Has
anyone ever met him? For all we know, he could be just another crossdresser who
loves his dick like Larry Blake.

It seems to me this Deb Marsh character is nothing but a liar, cheater,
molester, fraud that cannot, should not, be trusted by anyone.

Sickos like that should not be allowed on this board.

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rach...@tgforum.com

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Sep 24, 2001, 11:26:23 AM9/24/01
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On Mon, 24 Sep 2001 16:53:14 +0200, No_Molesters
<nomol...@no.molesting.no> in
<g6iuqt06g6kjjb0spvitfuhotan3j8mfmv@xcessmailer> via
<!news.alt.net!> wrote:

<snip actionable verbiage>

Are you a registered sex offender? Just curious. :)

Rachelle


Deb Marsh

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Sep 24, 2001, 11:57:29 AM9/24/01
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<rach...@tgforum.com> wrote in message
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We all know who this is though - don't we?

The sad disintegration continues - and it is sad really.

Debs


te...@softhome.net

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Sep 24, 2001, 12:28:17 PM9/24/01
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In the parking structure alt.support.srs Elaine <elai...@earthlink.net> whispered:
>
> "No_Molesters" <nomol...@no.molesting.no> wrote
>
> <snip> something sick.
>
> I would suggest that everyone ignore this lowlife. there is no point in
> killfiling him because he will simply change his ID again. He wants
> responses.........please don't feed him.

Oh! Jeez, I thought it was the kick off of The Unlimited North Dakota's
new "Got Kevlar?" ad campaign.

Theoni
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rach...@tgforum.com

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Sep 24, 2001, 12:47:54 PM9/24/01
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On Mon, 24 Sep 2001 16:57:29 +0100, "Deb Marsh"
<DebM...@gtbardfield.freeserve.co.uk> in
<9onl57$ddq$1...@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> wrote:

*I* am now doing as Elaine suggests. There's a collective sea-change
transpiring that's more or less conscious to all of us. But here and
now the challenge of living a normal life isn't just a challenge for
us anymore. To a large extent, our experience is shared by many more
people than was the case two weeks ago.

Being normal people when faced with the inexplicably. . . vexatious is
the goal.

Howling in a typhoon, dancing in an earthquake, exposing ones naked
heart to hyperborean gales, ones brain to the baking sun. . . (and the
next time I experience a seismic event, I *will* do a little
tap-dance. I've only "been in" one. :)

But. . . connecting with natural forces arising from the depths,
rather than being buoyed and uplifted by their naturally denser and
impenetrable nature perhaps anchors us, perhaps acknowledges something
essential - but at some point humanity does distinguish itself from
its own basis, which become collective and thus impersonal.

And I see that as somehow essentially feminine, to be unabashedly
connected with the most obscure secrets of "human nature" and yet to
also be wholistically human. . . it seems to be a tension that can't
be resolved, but simply as it were cherished for what it is and
continually held in tension.

Rachelle

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state whose paradoxical frozen motion insists on representing the
conflicted relationship of seemingly incommensurable subjective and
objective factors. Just as the symbol-bearing qualities of language
seem sacred, so also the imagistic smearing or blending of experience
extended backward into memory and projected forward into time seems a
priori, an immutable universal precondition that purports to define
both being and humanity by excluding that which is seemingly silent,
without perceptible precedent, and lacking in relevance to the future.
Similarly, just as authority of experience is imposed upon the
subject, symbolic authority superimposes and blends the mythical and
the hypothetical with the experiential, bounding and binding subject
to object and object to subject in a relationship whose liminality is
at once made possible and limited."
---from "The Middle Book"

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Nicole Hamilton

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Sep 24, 2001, 1:16:20 PM9/24/01
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"Deb Marsh" <DebM...@gtbardfield.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> We all know who this is though - don't we?

If you're thinking this is Diane, you're wrong. We talked late last night.
She's had a bit of bad luck, getting mugged at knifepoint and then having
her only computer crash, both the day before. She's not even on the
internet right now.

Nicki


Deb Marsh

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Sep 24, 2001, 2:07:50 PM9/24/01
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"Nicole Hamilton" <hami...@hamiltonlabs.com> wrote in message
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Nicki, I wouldn't believe Diane if she said that it got dark at night.

Her history precedes her and her tactics and her targets are all too
predictable.

Debs


Nicole Hamilton

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Sep 24, 2001, 2:33:25 PM9/24/01
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"Deb Marsh" <DebM...@gtbardfield.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> Nicki, I wouldn't believe Diane if she said that it got dark at night.

Okay, but to make accusations on the basis of absolutely zero evidence is
hardly different than just exactly what you're complaining about. In any
event, the point is that this is Usenet. It's not like there aren't =lots=
of kooks and troublemakers to choose from at any given moment.

Nicki


Natasha Thompson

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Sep 24, 2001, 3:10:52 PM9/24/01
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No_Molesters <nomol...@no.molesting.no> wrote in message news:<g6iuqt06g6kjjb0spvitfuhotan3j8mfmv@xcessmailer>...

> It has been discussed here that

This is really inappropriate. Would you work out your
incest survivors trauma in a constructive way instead
of making false accusations?

> Sickos like that should not be allowed on this board.

You should get some help rather than posting such
sick garbage here. Please get some help.

Natasha

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rach...@tgforum.com

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Sep 24, 2001, 3:21:11 PM9/24/01
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On Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:53:37 -0400, Laura Blake <ldb...@region.net>
in <c50vqt08obpgrgki3...@news.region.net> wrote:

>Maybe so... but now we are all thinking you are covering for

Wrong (please pardon my bluntness, Laura) - blatant energy feeding is
usually preceded by a little warm-up, a little softening-up, and
that's been absent in this case.

I feel the jury is out?

Please, please note a pattern here. *One post* has already engendered
*eight more.*

Consider staying frosty. Consider taking Nicole's words at exactly
face value, and waiting to see what develops. . . and I *know* how
that goes against the grain! :)

Rachelle


Gwendolyn Ann Smith

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Sep 24, 2001, 3:41:48 PM9/24/01
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In article <9onpp...@enews2.newsguy.com>, Nicole Hamilton
<hami...@hamiltonlabs.com> wrote:

> > We all know who this is though - don't we?
>
> If you're thinking this is Diane, you're wrong. We talked late last night.
> She's had a bit of bad luck, getting mugged at knifepoint and then having
> her only computer crash, both the day before. She's not even on the
> internet right now.

For what it's worth...

I suspect it isn't Diane as well. It doesn't "fit."

There are a couiple other names that come to mind, but it requires
thinking around corners, and putting aside the obvious.

Cheers,
Gwen Smith

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te...@softhome.net

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Sep 24, 2001, 4:04:11 PM9/24/01
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In the parking structure alt.support.srs Nicole Hamilton <hami...@hamiltonlabs.com> whispered:

I'm on the Internet right now for a one dollar bill from
David's Coffehouse in Hillcrest.

Versatile thing, communication.

Theoni
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Deb Marsh

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Sep 24, 2001, 4:15:23 PM9/24/01
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<te...@SoftHome.net> wrote in message
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> I'm on the Internet right now for a one dollar bill from
> David's Coffehouse in Hillcrest.

Have a cream doughnut for me whilst ya there - ok 8-)

Debs


Nicole Hamilton

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Sep 24, 2001, 3:55:14 PM9/24/01
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"Laura Blake" <ldb...@region.net> wrote:
> Maybe so... but now we are all thinking you are covering for Diane.

It's probably a waste of time to say this, but I am not "covering" for
Diane, merely pointing out that I have personal knowledge (in those specific
cases where I do have some) that accusations that Diane has done something
are wrong.

> You appear to have found a really convenient way of winding
> up on people's shit lists.

When merely telling the truth (including reporting that Diane has been
mugged at knifepoint) lands you on someone's shit list, I'd say that's one
shit list made up by a shithead.

Nicki


te...@softhome.net

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Sep 24, 2001, 5:42:29 PM9/24/01
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In the parking structure alt.support.srs Deb Marsh <DebM...@gtbardfield.freeserve.co.uk> whispered:

Shroom and Onion Quiche, and the One True Drug today....

Theoni
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Dani

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Sep 24, 2001, 6:10:25 PM9/24/01
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in article 9onpp...@enews2.newsguy.com, Nicole Hamilton wrote:
> If you're thinking this is Diane, you're wrong. We talked late last night.
> She's had a bit of bad luck, getting mugged at knifepoint and then having
> her only computer crash, both the day before. She's not even on the
> internet right now.
>

I'm sorry. I really hope she's okay.

Dani

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cindY

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Sep 24, 2001, 7:00:28 PM9/24/01
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Absolutely amazing. Our nation is going to war and Diane Lask plays
sockpuppet on Altopia.

Diane Lask, fka Richard Elliot Lask is *not* a stand-up kinda guy. He
is however, a sour shit.

cindY

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Sep 24, 2001, 7:12:07 PM9/24/01
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And her dog ate her microprocessor, I'll bet. Is this the best you
can do for your drug addicted mental case of a target?

Pitty Diane "Richard Elliot" Lask is not a stand up guy.
>

cindY

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Sep 24, 2001, 7:13:34 PM9/24/01
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On Mon, 24 Sep 2001 19:41:48 GMT, Gwendolyn Ann Smith
<gw...@gwensmith.comatose> wrote:

>In article <9onpp...@enews2.newsguy.com>, Nicole Hamilton
><hami...@hamiltonlabs.com> wrote:
>
>> > We all know who this is though - don't we?
>>
>> If you're thinking this is Diane, you're wrong. We talked late last night.
>> She's had a bit of bad luck, getting mugged at knifepoint and then having
>> her only computer crash, both the day before. She's not even on the
>> internet right now.
>
>For what it's worth...
>
>I suspect it isn't Diane as well. It doesn't "fit."
>
>There are a couiple other names that come to mind, but it requires
>thinking around corners, and putting aside the obvious.

Isn't that special.

Stephe Thayer

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Sep 25, 2001, 12:47:09 AM9/25/01
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cindY wrote:

>
> And her dog ate her microprocessor, I'll bet.

Weirder things have happened. I had a crown fall out the other day, set it
on the table next to my computer and =My dog ate it=!!!!

I don't believe Diane could survive a DAY without being on line.

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Stephe

Loree Thomas

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Sep 25, 2001, 1:04:32 AM9/25/01
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rach...@tgforum.com wrote in message ...


It doesn't go against my grain at all. I believe Nicole completely. That
doesn't mean Diane isn't the poster in question.

It's an alt.net post and alt.net is accessible from any machine connected to
the internet. So even if she was 100% honest with Nicole, she could still
have gone to the public library, work, a friends house or an internet cafe
and posted that screed.

Is Diane devious enough to use Nicole (without her knowledge) to establish
an alibi? Of course she is... but is that what happened? I don't know and
I don't think there is any way to know.

I'm betting that whether Diane is the Author or not, she quotes or post a
Google link to that message before the end of October.

Any takers?

Hugs,
Loree


Anna

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Sep 25, 2001, 1:09:41 AM9/25/01
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"Loree Thomas" <lor...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Hi,
You all forgive me if this is a dumb question. I'm new here, I've only been
lurking for a few weeks.

Some people seem to be saying that the post everyone is replying to is a
bogus post because it's from alt.net. What is alt.net? Also, how can you
tell? I looked at the headers and couldnt find any indication that that's
where the post came from. How can you all tell?

Also there seems to be a lot of fighting about a lot of things. I thought
when I found htis group it would be full of friendly ts's. I know, silly
me, please don't laugh too hard.

Anyway, thanks.

Anna

te...@softhome.net

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Sep 25, 2001, 1:18:46 AM9/25/01
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In the parking structure alt.support.srs Anna <no-...@mail.com> whispered:

Wombat!

Sweetie, there are more friends here than you can point a Mark VII
flamethrower at, and _many_ of us COOK. Curry is my thing, but my meat
loaf is pretty good (it's my beloved's recipe), and _all_ of the things
I do to eggs run counter the the Geneva Accords.

This group has merely been under attack by demons, and, well, if you've
ever fought demons, you know how techy it makes you.

Don't you fret, you're welcome, and your words will get read...and, if
you are engaging, your message will get replied to...or warped and the
resultant straw armadillo will be replied to.

Wombat!

Warp? Engage? Never mind.

Wombat!

Theoni
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Worried

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Sep 25, 2001, 1:19:12 AM9/25/01
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No_Molesters says...

This is very serious. Have you contacted the authorities?

People like that need to be put away. We must protect our children.


Denise D

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Sep 25, 2001, 4:11:04 AM9/25/01
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Anna wrote:

> Also there seems to be a lot of fighting about a lot of things. I thought
> when I found htis group it would be full of friendly ts's. I know, silly
> me, please don't laugh too hard.
>
> Anyway, thanks.
>
> Anna

Hi Anna,

I'm new here too and I am kind of sad to see this going on here. I need support
and I don't find all these "jokes" very funny at all. At least I see there are a
few people here who seem like they're nice. I just found this place and I have
so many questions I don't know where to start, but now I'm worried about sharing
my concerns with people who go for the throat so easily. There were more than
1500 messages waiting when I joined and after a couple hundred I was sad. If
there weren't so many nice people here I'd just leave.

Sorry to start off complaining!

Deee

Deb Marsh

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Sep 25, 2001, 6:04:52 AM9/25/01
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"Worried" <wor...@about.this> wrote in message
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> People like that need to be put away. >

Well, there's egg and bacon; egg, sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg,
bacon and spam; egg, bacon, sausage and spam; spam, bacon, sausage and spam;
spam, egg, spam, spam, bacon and spam; spam, sausage, spam, spam, spam,
bacon, spam, tomato and spam; spam, spam, spam, egg and spam; (Vikings start
singing in background) spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, baked beans,
spam, spam, spam and spam.

Message has been deleted

Golly!

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<rach...@tgforum.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 24 Sep 2001 16:53:14 +0200, No_Molesters
> <nomol...@no.molesting.no> in
> <g6iuqt06g6kjjb0spvitfuhotan3j8mfmv@xcessmailer> via
> <!news.alt.net!> wrote:
>
> <snip actionable verbiage>
>
> Are you a registered sex offender? Just curious. :)
>
> Rachelle

Talking to Debs?


Golly!

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<te...@SoftHome.net> wrote in message
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You forgot to tell her that besides cooking you also like to impersonate a
transsexual on usenet.

And wear rubber. <g>


D a#344

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Sep 26, 2001, 1:42:09 AM9/26/01
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On Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:19:40 GMT, "Elaine" <elai...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

>
>"No_Molesters" <nomol...@no.molesting.no> wrote
>
><snip> something sick.
>
>I would suggest that everyone ignore this lowlife. there is no point in
>killfiling him because he will simply change his ID again. He wants
>responses.........please don't feed him.
>


ITs Brandon "Daedra"Orr again, Same posting style, same tired
attacks and same hatred of anyone who has surgery.,

Hes a sick fuck, it took forever to wash him out of our groups/

Dana
a#344


Anna

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Sep 29, 2001, 5:00:46 PM9/29/01
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Yikes.. another one for the looney bin.

Is this a support group, or a shrink's waiting room?

"Laura Blake" <ldb...@region.net> wrote in message
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> Replying to article: <NdUr7.15495$2H2.1...@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com>
> Posted: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 01:09:41 -0400
> Written by: "Anna" <no-...@mail.com>


>
>
> >Some people seem to be saying that the post everyone is replying to is a
> >bogus post because it's from alt.net.
>

> Naaa, it's not about alt.net... it's about a long term abuser who just
can't
> be gotten rid of.


>
>
> >Also there seems to be a lot of fighting about a lot of things.
>

> Naaa, it's not about fighting... it's about a long term abuser who just
> can't be gotten rid of.


>
>
> >I thought
> >when I found htis group it would be full of friendly ts's.
>

> Naaa, it's not about TSs... it's about a long term abuser who just can't
be
> gotten rid of.
>
>
> If you get my drift <G>...
>
>
>
> -----
> Laura Blake
>
> http://niagara.region.net/~ldblake
> -----

Anna

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Sep 29, 2001, 5:03:33 PM9/29/01
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"Elaine" <elai...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Denise D" <dda...@slymail.net> wrote

> > Anna wrote:
> >
> > > Also there seems to be a lot of fighting about a lot of things. I
> thought
> > > when I found htis group it would be full of friendly ts's. I know,
> silly
> > > me, please don't laugh too hard.
>
> > Hi Anna,
> >
> > I'm new here too and I am kind of sad to see this going on here. I need
> support
> > and I don't find all these "jokes" very funny at all. At least I see
there
> are a
> > few people here who seem like they're nice. I just found this place and
I
> have
> > so many questions I don't know where to start, but now I'm worried about
> sharing
> > my concerns with people who go for the throat so easily. There were more
> than
> > 1500 messages waiting when I joined and after a couple hundred I was
sad.
> If
> > there weren't so many nice people here I'd just leave.
> >
> > Sorry to start off complaining!
>
> Denise and Anna,
>
> Please try to overlook all the conflict. There really are supportive
people
> here. Just ask for help or information and see what happens. :)

Thanks Elaine. But I've been lurking here on an off for a while now and
even the people who are so called "supportive" seem to go off now and then
too. I can't understand it, but then I also don't have all day to sift
through hundreds of messages to understand what each one's psychological
kinks are and what sets each one off. Somehow my little old brain tells me
there's got to be an easier way. So off I go to find it. :)

Anna

te...@softhome.net

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Sep 29, 2001, 8:16:27 PM9/29/01
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In the parking structure alt.support.srs Anna <no-...@mail.com> whispered:
> Thanks Elaine. But I've been lurking here on an off for a while now and
> even the people who are so called "supportive" seem to go off now and then
> too. I can't understand it, but then I also don't have all day to sift
> through hundreds of messages to understand what each one's psychological
> kinks are and what sets each one off. Somehow my little old brain tells me
> there's got to be an easier way. So off I go to find it. :)
>
> Anna

Good luck then, Anna. As a support group, (or any group of human beings)
we are much more like a family, albeit a sometimes subfunctional one, than
we are a Wal-Mart. "Support" isn't available off the rack here, if it
is anywhere. Rather, what _is_ available here are many willing listeners,
and a rich variety of viewpoints and life-experiences. Granted, to get
the most out of people, you kinda need to get to know them.

So, may the wind be at your back, and if you decide to hang out, while
we can't promise solutions, we can promise company of the most intriguing
and wierdest kind:).

Sometimes, making new friends can substitute for solutions, and turns
out the be better than the OEM.

Love,

Theoni
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Christine Beatty

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Sep 29, 2001, 10:43:40 PM9/29/01
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And let me say here and now that Theoni is one of the sweetest, most
intelligent and caring members here. ... *and* she looks good in
leather!

Christine

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te...@softhome.net

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Sep 30, 2001, 3:09:30 AM9/30/01
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In the parking structure alt.support.srs Christine Beatty <chri...@glamazonrocks.com> whispered:

> And let me say here and now that Theoni is one of the sweetest, most
> intelligent and caring members here. ... *and* she looks good in
> leather!
>
> Christine

Well...let's say that I try to maintain good intent, control my temper,
and learn from my mistakes. To date, I've occasionally achieved phase 1.
But I'm not dead yet.

But you're a love, and no mistake:).


Theoni
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te...@softhome.net

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Sep 30, 2001, 3:22:27 AM9/30/01
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In the parking structure soc.support.transgendered -={Queen Vamp}=- <vamp...@vampiress-au.net> whispered:
>
> "Christine Beatty" <chri...@glamazonrocks.com> wrote in message
> news:3BB686C2...@glamazonrocks.com...

>> And let me say here and now that Theoni is one of the sweetest, most
>> intelligent and caring members here. ... *and* she looks good in
>> leather!
>
> yeah yeah.. but I look better
> :-P

You've had more practice, and a modicum of paranormal help, if rumor is
to be believed. Gimmie _time_, gul.

Also, you have the unnatural aid to your irrestibility of latex
clothing...how many others here can make that claime (or have the
nerve to:)?

Theoni
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te...@softhome.net

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In the parking structure soc.support.transgendered -={Queen Vamp}=- <vamp...@vampiress-au.net> whispered:
>
>> You've had more practice, and a modicum of paranormal help, if rumor is
>> to be believed. Gimmie _time_, gul.
>>
>> Also, you have the unnatural aid to your irrestibility of latex
>> clothing...how many others here can make that claime (or have the
>> nerve to:)?
>
>
> (/^^^\)
> meow!!

NONONO, not meow, I'm _older_ than you are, I freely admit it. Look, I'm
so old, when I was in the Army, we didn't wear cammies. I'm SOOOO old,
when I was in 5th grade, I had a bad case of the 'flu, and the doctor made
a HOUSE CALL and gave me a shot.

You've just had more experience being publicly beautiful than I have.
You are post transition, had more estrogen for longer, and have more
practice being gracious to others. I was still arresting people when
you were practicing the sidelong glance.

Credit where credit is due.

Also, you do wear latex:).

te...@softhome.net

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In the parking structure alt.support.srs -={Queen Vamp}=- <vamp...@vampiress-au.net> whispered:

>
>>
>> NONONO, not meow, I'm _older_ than you are, I freely admit it. Look, I'm
>> so old, when I was in the Army, we didn't wear cammies. I'm SOOOO old,
>> when I was in 5th grade, I had a bad case of the 'flu, and the doctor made
>> a HOUSE CALL and gave me a shot.
>>
>> You've just had more experience being publicly beautiful than I have.
>> You are post transition, had more estrogen for longer, and have more
>> practice being gracious to others. I was still arresting people when
>> you were practicing the sidelong glance.
>>
>> Credit where credit is due.
>>
>> Also, you do wear latex:).
>
>
> heh.. i was arresting people in hormones and all.
> Gracious is as gracious does, dearheart.

Well then, you -will- let me model the handcuffs for you, right?

(Pout).

Theoni
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Christine Beatty

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te...@SoftHome.net wrote:
> Well then, you -will- let me model the handcuffs for you, right?

Strumpet Alert! Strumper Alert!
So shameless! [spank-spank-spank!]

Christine Beatty
http://www.glamazon.net

te...@softhome.net

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In the parking structure soc.support.transgendered Christine Beatty <chri...@glamazonrocks.com> whispered:

>
> te...@SoftHome.net wrote:
>> Well then, you -will- let me model the handcuffs for you, right?
>
> Strumpet Alert! Strumper Alert!
> So shameless! [spank-spank-spank!]

Can we repeat the above, oh, maybe fifty times?

Canwe pleeze? Canwe?

Theoni
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Christine Beatty

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te...@SoftHome.net wrote:
>
> In the parking structure soc.support.transgendered Christine Beatty <chri...@glamazonrocks.com> whispered:
> >
> > te...@SoftHome.net wrote:
> >> Well then, you -will- let me model the handcuffs for you, right?
> >
> > Strumpet Alert! Strumper Alert!
> > So shameless! [spank-spank-spank!]
>
> Can we repeat the above, oh, maybe fifty times?
>
> Canwe pleeze? Canwe?

"No, it's too perilous."
"Just a little bit of peril?"

cindY

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On Thu, 04 Oct 2001 17:10:08 GMT, s...@sfgrrl.com wrote:

>In alt.support.srs Nicole Hamilton <hami...@hamiltonlabs.com> wrote:
>
>> If you're thinking this is Diane, you're wrong. We talked late last
>> night. She's had a bit of bad luck, getting mugged at knifepoint and
>> then having her only computer crash, both the day before.
>

>Karma?
>
Instant. Better get herself together,and join the human race.

Christine Beatty

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If you define humanity by frailties, then Diane is more human than many
of us. Hers is a deep and abiding resentment, a gnawing insecurity and
more pain than many of us will ever know. People don't behave the way
she does unless they are ruled by monsters ... or are hopelessly
mentally ill.

cindY

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What on earth do you think you are?
Your a superstar
Well how right you are!

Well we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun
Well we all shine on
On and on and on
Everyone

Instant Karma's gonna get you.

Christine Beatty

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Remember when you were young, you shone like the sun.
Shine on you crazy diamond.
Now there's a look in your eyes, like black holes in the sky.
Shine on you crazy diamond.

Christine Beatty

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My lover passed this on to me. It's not only a great idea, it would be
superb poetic justice!

her-f...@aol.com wrote:

How is this for a great idea:
Killing Osama bin Laden will only create a martyr. Holding him
prisoner
will only inspire his comrades to take hostages to demand his release.
Therefore, we should do neither.

Let the Special Forces, Seals, Green Berets, etc., covertly capture
him, fly him to an undisclosed hospital and have surgeons quickly
perform
a complete sex change operation. Then return "her" to Afghanistan to
live
as a woman under the Taliban.

Christine Beatty
http://www.glamazon.net

te...@softhome.net

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Oct 6, 2001, 2:33:27 AM10/6/01
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In the parking structure alt.support.srs Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> whispered:
> In article <3BBCA6BC...@glamazonrocks.com>,

> Christine Beatty <chri...@glamazonrocks.com> wrote:
>
>> If you define humanity by frailties, then Diane is more human than
>> many of us. Hers is a deep and abiding resentment, a gnawing
>> insecurity and more pain than many of us will ever know. People don't
>> behave the way she does unless they are ruled by monsters ... or are
>> hopelessly mentally ill.
>
> Why does everyone assume that all of these atrocious messages (or any of
> them, for that matter) are from Diane? There are a number of malicious
> creatures who have infected these newsgroups, and it's easy for any of
> them to do this, especially if they want to further sully Diane's
> reputation.
>
> One of them (anathema666) was sending me hate email as well as posting
> some of it here. I blocked anathama's entire ISP from sending email to
> michelle.org and postop.org because her ISP didn't think her accusations
> of child abuse and threats to tell the authorities constituted extortion.
>
> I would bet one of my pension checks that anathema is not Diane, but
> everyone here has equated the two.
>
> These people (or more probably, one person) have gone way beyond what
> Diane had done regarding Debs and Cindy--even though Diane was
> completely wrong in what she did, she did have limits that this vermin
> doesn't.
>
> --Michelle

I'm proceeding from the policy that Diane has made common cause with
someone I knew in the early '90's named Joanne. You're right, she is
even less educated than Diane, and a -lot- more venal and money-hungry,
among various other qualities.

But they work together, and exchanged logins to better confuse the issue.
Some of "chrysalis" was obviously Diane, and some was from a much younger
and stupider mind.

But for all diplomatic purposes they are one nation.

Theoni
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Christine Beatty

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Michelle Steiner wrote:
>
> In article <3BBCA6BC...@glamazonrocks.com>,
> Christine Beatty <chri...@glamazonrocks.com> wrote:
>
> > If you define humanity by frailties, then Diane is more human than
> > many of us. Hers is a deep and abiding resentment, a gnawing
> > insecurity and more pain than many of us will ever know. People don't
> > behave the way she does unless they are ruled by monsters ... or are
> > hopelessly mentally ill.
>
> Why does everyone assume that all of these atrocious messages (or any of
> them, for that matter) are from Diane? There are a number of malicious
> creatures who have infected these newsgroups, and it's easy for any of
> them to do this, especially if they want to further sully Diane's
> reputation.

Excuse me, Michelle, but the targets of these messages are aimed
directly at some of Diane's most favorite targets, Debs and Theoni.
Furthermore the phrasing, tone and punctuation match missives posted
under Diane's name. Finally, it seems like evry time Diane drops off the
radar screen we start getting flooded with these infantile, vitriolic
posts that go after Diane's "enemies." Just how much circumstantial
evidence do you need? I understand that you look up to Diane, but I
believe you're in denial if you think these aren't Diane's doing.

> These people (or more probably, one person) have gone way beyond what
> Diane had done regarding Debs and Cindy--even though Diane was
> completely wrong in what she did, she did have limits that this vermin
> doesn't.

I don't think that *anybody* could have gone "way" beyond what Diane did
to Cindy and Debs. Don't minimize what she's done; it disrespects the
pain she's caused to those two women.

Deb Marsh

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"Michelle Steiner" <mich...@michelle.org> wrote in message
news:michelle-A8673E...@enews.newsguy.com...

> These people (or more probably, one person) have gone way beyond what
> Diane had done regarding Debs and Cindy--even though Diane was
> completely wrong in what she did, she did have limits that this vermin
> doesn't.

For what it's worth......

Whether we are talking about Diane, Diane's sock puppets or just someone who
has adopted Diane's nasty inventions, in order to pursue the same puerile
vendetta against the same targets, makes no difference to me now.

Debs


Jennifer Usher

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"Laura Blake" <ldb...@region.net> wrote in message
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> >Why does everyone assume that all of these atrocious messages (or any of
> >them, for that matter) are from Diane?
>

> Because she's spent 10 years developing a net-wide reputation as a first
> class fuckwit.

Based on that logic, you head the list of prime suspects.

--
Jennifer Usher


Jennifer Usher

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"Michelle Steiner" <mich...@michelle.org> wrote in message
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> Why does everyone assume that all of these atrocious messages (or any of


> them, for that matter) are from Diane? There are a number of malicious
> creatures who have infected these newsgroups, and it's easy for any of
> them to do this, especially if they want to further sully Diane's
> reputation.

It has become, for some here, a sort of dogma, repeated over and over.
Several of us have tried to point out that this is not Diane's style. But
it has become an accepted "truth" to some.

> One of them (anathema666) was sending me hate email as well as posting
> some of it here. I blocked anathama's entire ISP from sending email to
> michelle.org and postop.org because her ISP didn't think her accusations
> of child abuse and threats to tell the authorities constituted extortion.
>
> I would bet one of my pension checks that anathema is not Diane, but
> everyone here has equated the two.
>

> These people (or more probably, one person) have gone way beyond what
> Diane had done regarding Debs and Cindy--even though Diane was
> completely wrong in what she did, she did have limits that this vermin
> doesn't.

I agree.

--
Jennifer Usher


te...@softhome.net

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Oct 6, 2001, 1:23:59 PM10/6/01
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In the parking structure alt.support.srs Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> whispered:
> In article <9pmk9o$ko4$1...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>,

> "Deb Marsh" <DebM...@gtbardfield.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> For what it's worth......
>>
>> Whether we are talking about Diane, Diane's sock puppets or just
>> someone who has adopted Diane's nasty inventions, in order to pursue
>> the same puerile vendetta against the same targets, makes no
>> difference to me now.
>
> I can understand that, hon.
>
> The reason I pointed it out is that if it is someone in that third
> category, and everyone continues to blame Diane, it lets that person
> continue unchecked. One reason I think it is someone in that third
> category is that he or she doesn't limit themself to only the same
> targets, but has targetted people who Diane didn't.
> --Michelle

As did Diane Lask when her mind fell apart here. She began shotgunning
everything that moved. When she finally realized that she had no
followers, that the majority loathed and dispised her, that she could
never be "respectable" again, it produced personal collapse. Even then,
the "tone" in many of the Chrysalis messages was identical to the
over-the-top poster here, whom I identify as Joanne. They both worked
many sock-puppet logins alternatively, thinking this was a good way to
encypher their identities. (The hallmark of the amateur's sorties into
cryptography is that simple ploys produce unbreakable codes. They never
do, and they get read in seconds. Neither Joanne nor Diane are very
bright, which has contributed to their unhappiness in their careers of
trying to lie successfully to others.)

They are both whackos in the same sense, with many of the same handicaps
mentally and emotionally. It was likely Joanne who suggested the
login "Chrysalis", for two reasons: 1. She found it being used by an
innocent third party somewhere on the Web, upon whom she could blame
her misbehavior, and whom Diane could "out" to exculpate her cabal. 2.
"Chrysalis" was the name of my gender-support subboard on Chemin de
Guerre BBS from 1990-1994, where Joanne was a member. She ran repeated
attempts to lie to and scam my users, resulting in my banning her.
The word has meaning for her in her infantile revenge-universe, since
like Lask, she cannot accept responsibility for her misdeeds, ever.

She's produced too much shame in her life this year, something had
to give. The alternative would have been to realize what she was and
what her values and methods actually were and own them or change them.
Figure the odds of that. So she stayed with denial and blaming others
for her myriad failures. But she's reached the point where she can't
keep that level of denial up and stay functionally sane, and the result
is what we witnessed here.

You could play it all back from the archives, but it's not edifying.
It's kinda like going for a Sunday walk in a large metropolitain
mausoleum. If you do it, you'll likely get a severe headache.

Theoni
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Deb Marsh

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"Diane Lask" <di...@pachell.net> wrote in message
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> you're still not a woman no matter what you
> choose to say about me. That's the bottom line Tom....people like me
> were woman so we changed sex..

What! So you became a man then?


Deb Marsh

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"Diane" <di...@pachell.net> wrote in message
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> Stop being part of the problem.

It's only being so cheerful that keeps you going, ain't it 8-)


Gwendolyn Ann Smith

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In article <9pnnuv$rr$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Deb Marsh"
<DebM...@gtbardfield.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

A curious trolling, no? "pachell.net?"

Cheers,
Gwen Smith

. .
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> () < Board Member, GEA * Columnist, Bay Area Reporter
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Deb Marsh

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Oct 6, 2001, 4:26:35 PM10/6/01
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"Gwendolyn Ann Smith" <gw...@gwensmith.comatose> wrote in message
news:061020011317545660%gw...@gwensmith.comatose...

> In article <9pnnuv$rr$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Deb Marsh"
> <DebM...@gtbardfield.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > "Diane Lask" <di...@pachell.net> wrote in message
> > news:85murtgnltgadp6tr...@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...
> >
> > > you're still not a woman no matter what you
> > > choose to say about me. That's the bottom line Tom....people like me
> > > were woman so we changed sex..
> >
> > What! So you became a man then?
>
> A curious trolling, no? "pachell.net?"

All the same thing to me, Gwen, same tactics, same targets, same silly shit
8-)

Whatever happened to originality - that's wot I want to know 8-)

Debs


Diane

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Oct 6, 2001, 4:35:22 PM10/6/01
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On Sat, 06 Oct 2001 20:17:19 GMT, Gwendolyn Ann Smith
<gw...@gwensmith.comatose> wrote:

>
>A curious trolling, no?

There's nothing curious about it Gwen.
And it's not a trolling....it's a statement of what I believe with
regard to Tom Laura and Debs.

Much more importantly though the posting contained 3 simple steps to
stopping all the crap that's been going on here as of late.....the
fact that the first few responses to my post completely ignored such
points is something I find delightfully ironic.

As with most problems, if the participants would simply look to
correcting their own behaviors instead of continually bemoaning the
ravings of silly trolls then there would be no problem.

The problem is not with the trolls per se - it with the idiots who
feel compelled to respond and comment about them.

Karen

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Oct 6, 2001, 4:35:46 PM10/6/01
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Gwendolyn Ann Smith <gw...@gwensmith.comatose> wrote:
> A curious trolling, no? "pachell.net?"

She has posted with that Email munge before.

- karen

Karen

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Diane <di...@pachell.net> wrote:

> http://www.tsroadmap.com/early/netstealth.html
>
> As always, Andrea has put up one of the most useful pages on this
> subject that I have seen so far. Follow that advice to a ....T

And it actually contains a warning about you!!!!

Actually you have been one of the bigest polarizing factors and trouble
makers here over teh years... You personally bear major responsibility
for the state of the newsgroups.

- karen

Gwendolyn Ann Smith

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In article <1f0v7ex.sf3rcn1i5ygviN%kaa-...@mediaone.net>,
kaa-...@mediaone.net (Karen) wrote:

> > A curious trolling, no? "pachell.net?"
>
> She has posted with that Email munge before.

Ah - thanks. :-)

Christine Beatty

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Oct 6, 2001, 4:51:33 PM10/6/01
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Diane wrote:

> As with most problems, if the participants would simply look to
> correcting their own behaviors instead of continually bemoaning the
> ravings of silly trolls then there would be no problem.

Do you mean behaviors like outing people and involving innocent third
parties and making chickensh*t veiled accusations of child molestation
and namecalling (i.e. "Batty" and "Vampshit") and all of your other
infantile ways? Stop trying to pass off yourself as a balanced or
reasonable person, nobody who's been here for more than a few
nanoseconds buys it for one minute.


> The problem is not with the trolls per se - it with the idiots who
> feel compelled to respond and comment about them.

As you respond and comment to anyone who disagrees with you?

Christine Beatty

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Diane wrote:
>
> <G>
> Thank you for making my points so self-evident :) .
>
> Those looking for places where TS/TG issues are discussed rather then
> the personal problems of a few tortured souls are well advised to look
> into the moderated lists I posted earlier.

Do you mean abandon ship, rather than fix the leaks and toss out the
sociopath who keeps poking holes in the hull? There are few souls here
as tortured as yourself, Diane. Get help, seriously. alt.support.srs was
doing pretty well as a supportive forum until you jumped back onboard.

Deb Marsh

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Oct 6, 2001, 5:15:52 PM10/6/01
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"Christine Beatty" <chri...@glamazonrocks.com> wrote in message
news:3BBF6EB8...@glamazonrocks.com...

> Do you mean behaviors like outing people and involving innocent third
> parties and making chickensh*t veiled accusations of child molestation
> and namecalling (i.e. "Batty" and "Vampshit") and all of your other
> infantile ways? Stop trying to pass off yourself as a balanced or
> reasonable person, nobody who's been here for more than a few
> nanoseconds buys it for one minute.

Just like old times, Christine, the moaning, groaning and the shedding of
festering body parts all over the place 8-) Yes, it's auntie Diane warning
us all about people just like her.

Bit strange really, she outs people - publishes their personal details in
public forums and goes in for a bit of character assassination on the side.
Then she goes quiet for a bit before <poof> reappearing as some sort of
missionary warning us all about people who out people - publish their
personal details in public forums and go in for a bit of character
assassination on the side.

A variety of perpetual motion - ya think?

Debs


Christine Beatty

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Deb Marsh wrote:

>
> A variety of perpetual motion - ya think?

More likely, a variety of some arcane psych disorder. It's sad, really.

Deb Marsh

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Oct 6, 2001, 6:29:10 PM10/6/01