A Pre-Christmas Thought ...
JenniferFlusher
forum got together and formed their own web newsblog focussing on TG
issues? Something that had a current list of support providers , a
(heavily moderated for civility) forum where people could discuss
things safely and sanely, an up to date news feed/commentary - things
like that.
We come from very diverse backgrounds here and some of us disagree on
some very fundamental things. So what? We could have different
editorial sections perhaps expressing different points of view.
We have an established writer here, a linux guru, the mysterious Barbie
and who knows what all else is reading this now. What is we got
together to do something nice?
Tsroadmap provides an interesting source of info but is updated very
irregularly. Presumably , for whatever reason at least 3 of us here
have enough time to work on such a thing and we obviously still hold an
interest in such a community as exhibited by our continued coming to
this rather sad place. Why not let bygones be bygones and do something
potentially wonderful?
Any thoughts (aside from the obvious ones by Usher and his sockpuppet Ruby) ?
barbie
I had previously considered hosting a site for ts|tg|whatever floats
your boat. I have tons of server space, bandwidth, and a possibly
suitable domain available that I grabbed earlier this year when I
noticed nobody else had taken it. I remember that at the time, Willow
was also partial to the idea.
As I pointed out elsewhere, Canada has anti-hate laws that would
require people to treat each other with a certain modicum of respect -
no outing people, no pronoun abuse (calling someone "Lardo" is
permitted, since "fat" is not a protected category. Calling someone
who identifies as a woman as "He" is not). Usher made it quite clear
that was one rule that Usher was NOT going to respect, so maybe it's
one of those *good things*.
At the time Usher accused me of "trying to take over the group."
That's ridiculous, but it shows the mentality, same as the last post
trying to stir up the flames of past resentments now that peace is
breaking out all over.
If people really are interested, I'm always open to suggestions. Or
if someone else wants to do it, and needs help, I would certainly be
willing to help modify an existing content management system.
(me mysterious??? really???? )
fluffybunnie
> On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 08:18:40 -0800, JenniferFlusher
><jflu...@imaman.org> wrote:
>
>>What would happen, I wonder, if a few of the participants on this
>>forum got together and formed their own web newsblog focussing on TG
>>issues? Something that had a current list of support providers , a
>>(heavily moderated for civility) forum where people could discuss
>>things safely and sanely, an up to date news feed/commentary - things
>>like that.
>
> To be honest, I actually prefer good old fashioned nntp.
> It is more open and accessible.
>
Me too. Though if a web forum was done effectively, I might visit and
post from time to time. But I love usenet, in spite of the fact that
it appears to be drawing near to its EOL (the fact that "kids today"
use it mainly to "violate copyright" may well be its demise once ACTA
passes).
But here's another thought, for Willow:
I pay 10 Euros (~14USD)/year for usenet via news.individual.net.
If you got a real usenet provider and would filter out you-know-who,
that would be that. You're his raison d'etre, and if he knew you didn't
see his trolls he'd most likely give up after a bit and find someone
elsewhere to troll.
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(=^.^=)
(")_(")
Jennifer Usher
"Helen Detroit" <FutureG...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 08:18:40 -0800, JenniferFlusher
> <jflu...@imaman.org> wrote:
>
>>What would happen, I wonder, if a few of the participants on this
>>forum got together and formed their own web newsblog focussing on TG
>>issues? Something that had a current list of support providers , a
>>(heavily moderated for civility) forum where people could discuss
>>things safely and sanely, an up to date news feed/commentary - things
>>like that.
>
> <snip for brevity>
For what it is worth, I think this would be a wonderful idea. I would give
it, at most, maybe six months before it would decline into a worse cesspool
than this place has ever been. I mean, Goat Boy, Dickhead David, Willy Boy
and Hudson? Yes, six months, tops.
> I would not be a regular and ongoing participant, but I would certainly
> stick my nose in once in a while if it were welcome. To be honest, I
> actually prefer good old fashioned nntp. It is more open and accessible.
> Of course that can be as much a curse as a blessing, but all in all it
> suits me best, I think. To take fullest advantage, though, one should
> probably have a sockpuppet or two. I will work on that one of these days
> LOL!
>
> There have been a lot of moderated forums spawned by this newsgroup, and
> I have not been involved with any of them, though one of my exes I think
> was, before and briefly after her SRS. I guess I just don't like the
> idea of any person being in control, know what I mean? I am not against
> the idea in principle... I just do not wish to be a core participant.
Actually, that does raise an interesting question. Of the four above, which
would be in charge. I don't see ANY of them giving control over to another.
They could try sharing control, but that would be even more fodder for
humor. Not that I would be around for any of it, but I suspect the fallout
would wind up back here. Still, I do think that would be such fun. The sad
thing is, none of them would have enough sense to learn anything from the
effort.
> I would actually like to see the CD group revived but it is like a tomb
> in there. Not even any interesting spam LOL! And if this group picks up
> and things begin to revolve back around SRS related discussion, I will
> probably check in less frequently here. Right now it is more a social
> thing, and frankly I feel quite at home here at the moment.
Oh, I think any group dominated by the above would essentially be a
crossdressing group. I mean, in reality, that is what two of them are, and
the other two are not very successful as post-ops, so it should be perfect
for someone like Helen.
Yes, that should be a wild ride.
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Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
"Helen Detroit" <FutureG...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:49:41 -0800 (PST), barbie
> <openvid...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>same as the last post
>>trying to stir up the flames of past resentments now that peace is
>>breaking out all over.
>
> Barbara, if you mean my post, I can assure you that stirring up flames
> of resentment was the last thing on my mind. And I kind of like the
> peace. I forgot all about the controversy over forming a Canadian forum
> and the ruckus that ensued. Again, I will state that I have no problem
> with that, and no problem with anyone participating in it. I just won't
> be in it very much, that's all.
As I said, this will probably never get past the issue of who will be in
charge.
--
Jennifer Usher
barbie
wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:49:41 -0800 (PST), barbie
>
> >same as the last post
> >trying to stir up the flames of past resentments now that peace is
> >breaking out all over.
>
> of resentment was the last thing on my mind. And I kind of like the
> peace.
I wasn't referring to YOU stirring up problems - just the usual
suspect whining about how people should not forget their old
hostilities ...
I forgot all about the controversy over forming a Canadian forum
> and the ruckus that ensued. Again, I will state that I have no problem
> with that, and no problem with anyone participating in it. I just won't
> be in it very much, that's all.
Like I said at the time, I'm willing to defer to anyone here (except
Usher) who wants to start one up, give them a hand, or whatever.
Of course, checking further down the thread, I see that Usher is again
trying to make it out to be a "control" issue.
That says a lot - about Usher. Then again, we already knew there were
problems there - why would anyone continue to participate in a
newsgroup where their behaviour is totally unacceptable to everyone
else, has driven away a lot of good people, stifled discussion,
and ... well, you can imagine how an outsider or someone coming across
this place looking for information would see it.
BTW, it was actually the reasonable tone of your posts that was the
tipping point to get me back to posting again - I would check in every
once in a while and see it was the "same old, same old" - 100% Usher
either going "I can't here you!" or "ROFL"ing away while insulting
people, and I would rather fill the space between my ears with better
stuff (well, most of the time :-)
So don't worry, it certainly wasn't anything YOU said that was
"stirring up the flames of resentment", but Usher posting this
garbage:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.srs/msg/6cfa6cd872eb3c28?
Jennifer Usher wrote in message:
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> Willow" <panga...@telus.net> wrote in message
>
> news:e7901a21-eab0-4e48...@15g2000prz.googlegroups.com...
>
>> Yes, indeed. All of that is true and yes, I do so hope we might meet
>> for lunch one day. Friends, acquaintances - none agree on
>> everything. With civil discourse, we can explore other ideas and
>> perhaps even change our minds on some issues. I know I have changed
>> my mind on many issues as I gain further understanding, often from
>> civil discussions with those that I initially disagree with totally.
>> We have our regrets but we also have grown beyond those things.
>
> Oh, this is just too funny! I mean, it is so perfect. Diane Lask, who went
> out of his way to make Willy Boy's life miserable a while back just tosses
> him a couple of ego strokes and all is forgiven. He forgets that Lask is,
> for example, the one who actually pursued him to the book groups. I only
> posted there AFTER Willy Boy's hilarious demand that I denounce Lask or "the
> other shoe was going to drop." That incident was one where Willy Boy showed
> his male bravado to the extreme. And he also forgets that we know he lives
> in a crappy part of town because of Lask's efforts. We know that the house
> he loves to brag about is actually owned by Sonia, because of Lask as well.
> In fact, quite a bit of the best dirt on him came from Lask. His
> involvement with Satanism, his bizarre nudist past, etc. Yes, all courtesy
> of Lask. But all is forgiven because he strokes Willy's ego. Just shows
> how truly desperate for approval he really is.
>
>> I would be very distrustful of someone who agreed with everything I
>> thought! Bored too, I dare say...
>
> Yes, but stroke his ego and he will forgive the worst of abuse. Ah, such a
> joke.
&<===&<===&<===&<===&<===&<===&<===&<===
That's a pretty disgusting response. How overflowing with pent-up
vile do you have to be to write something as mean-spirited as that?
No wonder the fundies gave Usher the boot - Usher hasn't got the first
clue about such basic tenets as forgiveness - oh no - gotta keep
judging people! That's the ticket - if you are insane with jealousy.
It's sad. None of this had to happen, but Usher insists on having the
right to refer to people as "He" or "Him" well after all the
legalities have been met, and has the temerity to complain when people
return the favour. Even an atheist knows you reap what you sow :-)
barbie
> "Helen Detroit" <FutureGirl70...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>
> news:ufs1j5p6f4nd36lba...@4ax.com...
>
> > On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 08:18:40 -0800, JenniferFlusher
> > <jflus...@imaman.org> wrote:
>
> >>What would happen, I wonder, if a few of the participants on this
> >>forum got together and formed their own web newsblog focussing on TG
> >>issues? Something that had a current list of support providers , a
> >>(heavily moderated for civility) forum where people could discuss
> >>things safely and sanely, an up to date news feed/commentary - things
> >>like that.
>
> > <snip for brevity>
>
> For what it is worth, I think this would be a wonderful idea. I would give
> it, at most, maybe six months before it would decline into a worse cesspool
> than this place has ever been. I mean, Goat Boy, Dickhead David, Willy Boy
> and Hudson? Yes, six months, tops.
Especially me. Because I'm the original "traitor" who refused go
continue to go along with your campaign of slagging Willow, apologized
publicly, and Willow gracefully accepted. Sure can't trust someone
who's willing to look at more than one side to a question. Tsk, tsk.
> > I would not be a regular and ongoing participant, but I would certainly
> > stick my nose in once in a while if it were welcome. To be honest, I
> > actually prefer good old fashioned nntp. It is more open and accessible.
> > Of course that can be as much a curse as a blessing, but all in all it
> > suits me best, I think. To take fullest advantage, though, one should
> > probably have a sockpuppet or two. I will work on that one of these days
> > LOL!
>
> > There have been a lot of moderated forums spawned by this newsgroup, and
> > I have not been involved with any of them, though one of my exes I think
> > was, before and briefly after her SRS. I guess I just don't like the
> > idea of any person being in control, know what I mean? I am not against
> > the idea in principle... I just do not wish to be a core participant.
>
> Actually, that does raise an interesting question. Of the four above, which
> would be in charge. I don't see ANY of them giving control over to another.
> They could try sharing control, but that would be even more fodder for
> humor. Not that I would be around for any of it, but I suspect the fallout
> would wind up back here. Still, I do think that would be such fun. The sad
> thing is, none of them would have enough sense to learn anything from the
> effort.
For you, its all about control. You should ask yourself why. Really,
it's sickening to look at.
Or you could look at the bright side You would then be able to play
with your sock-puppet in peace.
Of course, there's no reason why an auto-repeater can't be arranged to
re-post everything that goes on in any eventual web forum to here, so
that you can rant and rave all you want in the wilderness without fear
of contradiction. The downside for you? Any such mirroring would also
serve to let people know that there are others around who won't judge
them based on the "purity of the Usher HBS doctrine", or whatever your
next fad will be.
> > I would actually like to see the CD group revived but it is like a tomb
> > in there. Not even any interesting spam LOL! And if this group picks up
> > and things begin to revolve back around SRS related discussion, I will
> > probably check in less frequently here. Right now it is more a social
> > thing, and frankly I feel quite at home here at the moment.
>
> Oh, I think any group dominated by the above would essentially be a
> crossdressing group. I mean, in reality, that is what two of them are, and
> the other two are not very successful as post-ops, so it should be perfect
> for someone like Helen.
I saw what you did there. Throw around a few more insults and hope
people respond and leak a few more fragments of information so that
you can pounce on them as more ammunition to put people down. Too bad
I won't play that game, isn't it ...
> Yes, that should be a wild ride.
If you're looking for a wild ride, you could always call up Nutra-
Sweet. Or go "roll on the floor some more, laughing", since that's
been your primary contribution for most of this decade.
> --
> Jennifer (Lardo the Clown) Usher
You deserve what's coming to you.
barbie
I think Usher sees everyone who has ever posted here as grist for the
mill. "All bow down before the HBS Benjaminite" or some such
nonsense. Possible allies in the "Attack the Evil Willow" gang.
Remember how Usher always says "I have to respond because otherwise
Willow will be able to post unfettered!" This is not normal
behaviour. This is not even drug | alcohol | glue-sniffing brain-
damaged or doctor-slapped-me-on-both-ends-I-was-SO-fugly behaviour.
To have gone on so long, it's a fixation. Even if Willow never saw
another Usher post, Usher would respond to Willow.
"Jump, Usher, Jump!" And it still works after all these years.
>
> --
> (\__/)
> (=^.^=)
> (")_(")
A bit off-topic, but I hope you don't mind that I "stole" your rabbit
for my email sig file.
Just thought I'd let you know (rabbits do tend to multiply :-),
(Actually, I was tempted to put it in my posts here as well and let
Usher go crazy shouting "look - sock-puppet!!!", but I didn't want you
to be wrongfully accused.)
JenniferFlusher
> Just thought I'd let you know (rabbits do tend to multiply :-),
>
> (Actually, I was tempted to put it in my posts here as well and let
> Usher go crazy shouting "look - sock-puppet!!!", but I didn't want you
> to be wrongfully accused.)
That would be a auful thing to do
Fluffiy Jennifer
> (\__/)
> �(=^.^=)
> �(")_(")
(But so tempting! LMAO)
Willow
Usher can easily wrote to himself here or go play in his 62 other
groups.
Willow
JenniferFlusher
> As to an alternative group, sans Usher, I am certainly in favour.
Well I kind of thought the "sans Usher" part was understood :)
It would be an interesting experiment .... Can four TG people from
different backgrounds come together to create a useful project without
driving each other crazy? (cue Odd Couple music... ) LOL
It might be a very useful project to do. My own vision of such a thing
would be a TG news aggregation blog combined with various information
sections, editorial sections and ideally a forum (ummm... heavily
moderated). I imagine we should separate parts of it out into TG, TS
and possibly crossdreser sections. Heh , you know me - I'd rather not
do the crossdresser section but I'd go with the flow if everyone else
wanted it.
And of course , since all of us ,or at least some of us here (ahem),
are well versed in internet nastiness we'd be great subject matter
experts in what NOT to do or to allow in such a forum. As Barb pointed
out we don't want a repeat of this place. I'm pretty sure we all have
outgrown our internet deamons or at least can keep them in check at
this point.
Shall we take a leap of faith and contact each other? Personally, I'd
prefer to do a webcam conference using yahoo AIM or gmail ( I think
gmail had video but unsure - whatever). Everyone cool with that. ?
If so I can provide a temp email addy to contact me at and we can go
from there.
It would be nice if all of us Willow, Bunnie, Barb, and Helen could get
on board and contribute somehow. I'm serious if you are. What the
hell .
Whats in it for Me?
flogging a dead horse? This stopped being a support group many years ago.
As you can see in this post egos have become more important than the
topic....
It is hard not to be critical especially with the behavior of people here
and the total disrespect that anyone gives here makes that a challenge in
itself. How long does ones name have to live here constantly being dragged
through the net year after year even when they haven't participated in some
time and for me it had been years. The biggest crime many of the people
being accused of being trolls is that they were to honest about themselves
in an open forum early on leaving themselves open to being an easy target. I
know because I have been there. What brought the problem to my attention
recently was the group stalker that tracked me down through a website ,
emailed me to abuse personally through a remailer then other emails started
appearing as well. I found out there was a link posted here on this group
back to my website plus many sock puppet posts pretending to be me for
years. The stuff that was posted was totally fictional and the person
posting is clearly disturbed antaganising the situation for what purpose I
will never know. Who can you complain to no one.
We are all people sitting in front of a computer screen, many who use this
medium to abuse others pretending to be far superior than many when in fact
if you met face to face you wouldn't dare say half the stuff that many
people here do. People make many claims in this group and I am not going
to be chasing people all over the country ask people to drop their pants to
find out if they have had surgery or not and frankly dont care.
I have held my tongue in recent times as it doesn't matter what is said in
here really. I am who I am and someone who is lucky to have more than many
and really who cares what some person who can pretend to be anyone they want
to be on the net and who cares what a stranger thinks of me. I am proud I
have a job support of my partner of 10 years, support of my family and a
roof over my head a fantastic local GLBT community, I am thankful for all
the good that is in my life right now.
I am finally at peace with where I am at in my life, with all the crap that
is involved internal and external and no matter what anyone here may say
about me it is no longer going to matter why because my new years resolution
will be I DON'T CARE what total strangers say about me anymore.
I look forward to seeing what you can come up with a new group as long as
its not a free for all I would join....
Happy Holidays everyone.
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fluffybunnie
>
> It would be an interesting experiment .... Can four TG people from
> different backgrounds come together to create a useful project without
> driving each other crazy? (cue Odd Couple music... ) LOL
>
Cute. :)
> It might be a very useful project to do. My own vision of such a thing
> would be a TG news aggregation blog combined with various information
> sections, editorial sections and ideally a forum (ummm... heavily
> moderated). I imagine we should separate parts of it out into TG, TS
> and possibly crossdreser sections. Heh , you know me - I'd rather not
> do the crossdresser section but I'd go with the flow if everyone else
> wanted it.
>
> And of course , since all of us ,or at least some of us here (ahem),
> are well versed in internet nastiness we'd be great subject matter
> experts in what NOT to do or to allow in such a forum. As Barb pointed
> out we don't want a repeat of this place. I'm pretty sure we all have
> outgrown our internet deamons or at least can keep them in check at
> this point.
>
> Shall we take a leap of faith and contact each other? Personally, I'd
> prefer to do a webcam conference using yahoo AIM or gmail ( I think
> gmail had video but unsure - whatever). Everyone cool with that. ?
> If so I can provide a temp email addy to contact me at and we can go
> from there.
>
> It would be nice if all of us Willow, Bunnie, Barb, and Helen could get
> on board and contribute somehow. I'm serious if you are. What the
> hell .
>
The leap of faith you mention is too great for me, I'm sorry to say.
It's been quite a number of years since I "came out" to anyone, and
I have no intention of risking exposure like that.
Sorry if that sounds grinchy...
Our most prolific resident troll is the only person here (AFAIK) who
actually could out me, but it wouldn't serve his purpose to show
everyone the woman he likes to denigrate as "goat boy", LOL.
--
fluffybunnie
>
> I think Usher sees everyone who has ever posted here as grist for the
> mill. "All bow down before the HBS Benjaminite" or some such
> nonsense. Possible allies in the "Attack the Evil Willow" gang.
>
> Remember how Usher always says "I have to respond because otherwise
> Willow will be able to post unfettered!" This is not normal
> behaviour. This is not even drug | alcohol | glue-sniffing brain-
> damaged or doctor-slapped-me-on-both-ends-I-was-SO-fugly behaviour.
> To have gone on so long, it's a fixation. Even if Willow never saw
> another Usher post, Usher would respond to Willow.
>
> "Jump, Usher, Jump!" And it still works after all these years.
>
You might be right. I'd like to see Willow give it a try though.
:)
> A bit off-topic, but I hope you don't mind that I "stole" your rabbit
> for my email sig file.
>
No problem, I "stole" it from teh internets.
> Just thought I'd let you know (rabbits do tend to multiply :-),
>
> (Actually, I was tempted to put it in my posts here as well and let
> Usher go crazy shouting "look - sock-puppet!!!", but I didn't want you
> to be wrongfully accused.)
Oh, after all the silly accusations leveled at me it really
doesn't matter. :)
Willow
"core" can join. I have no problem with that, nor do I care who has
the "administrator" function". Heck, if someone is not civil, we can
easily control that. I do not do video conferencing. I have no
problem with any other situations that might arise.
Willow
fluffybunnie
I thought about you when we lit the yule log Monday night.
:)
--
fluffybunnie
> On 23 Dec 2009 18:43:39 GMT, fluffybunnie <fluffy...@127.0.0.1>
> wrote:
>
>>On 2009-12-23, barbie <openvid...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> A bit off-topic, but I hope you don't mind that I "stole" your rabbit
>>> for my email sig file.
>>>
>>
>>No problem, I "stole" it from teh internets.
>
> like that.
>
> We could have a club charter, like the Hell's Angels, except nice
> instead of mean. Torture evildoers with niceness. Just be so sickeningly
> sweet that unsweet people can't stand us, and leave us alone to go
> hippity hopping through the lovely scented cyber-fields of clover and
> daffodils to a pleasantly burbling brook where we could all sit in a
> circle and have a nice picnic while we commune with Mother Natures's
> other nice creatures as the foul-hearted ones look down from the barren
> crags with disgust, loathing, and a bit of jealousy over our happiness.
> Would you pass the carrots, please? Why of course. And how about a nice
> juicy celery stalk, or an apple wedge, peeled just the way you like it?
> Why, thank you ever so much! You are really too kind! No, I could never
> be too kind to my fellow bunnies. You are all so sweet, I get a warm
> fuzzy feeling! Well, when you are a bunny, you always have a warm fuzzy
> feeling, I would think. Mr Squirrel, won't you come down out of the tree
> and join us? We have some lovely pecans here for you! Oh there's Mrs.
> Deer... Hi, Mrs. Deer! How are you today? Won't you stay for a bite to
> eat, and tell us how your children are doing? Byebye, Miss Bluebird...
> sorry you couldn't stay and chirp with us longer. Oh, happy happy joy
> joy!
>
>
What a tempting picture you've drawn there.
I'd like to give that a shot, with or without an official
"gang affiliation". :)
barbie
<conceptg...@whatisthereality.com> wrote:
> Anything has to be better that the BS that currently goes on here, but is it
> flogging a dead horse? This stopped being a support group many years ago.
> As you can see in this post egos have become more important than the
> topic....
My concept for "support" is simple. An ear to listen. People looking
for support probably aren't looking for the latest theory on why they
are the way they are (and if they are, they can get that anywhere off
the web), but rather a chance to express themselves, let out something
that bothered them at work, at home, or elsewhere, or just to see that
they're really not alone.
This place degenerated into a "holy war", with a self-appointed
"defender of the gold standard". That's not support. That's just a
"pissing match." And an exclusionary one, at that, since people
looking for support would be devastated if their family or friends or
coworkers looked here - "You're like THAT? They're crazy! Judgmental!
Mean! Argumentative!"
It's not a healthy place to be "head-space-wise", for sure.
The idea is that, by helping other people, sometimes you end up
helping yourself (through gaining an additional insight, or a new
friend, or one of a number of other ways). It's altruistic behaviour
with a potential reward. You do it because you want to help, but if
there's a bonus, you won't refuse it.
In contrast, the quasi-religious dogma that Usher pushes regarding
transsexualism, and gender in general, not only doesn't edify - it's
destructive. If someone can contribute a valuable insight, or a bit
of support, who cares what their background is, or whether they meet
some "standard of transsexual purity"?
Then again, Usher failed that "purity test":
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.srs/browse_thread/thread/de85c3c2091d0d74/d2c19b88cb759a1f
... and everything since seems to have been loud noise to try to
distract people from an inconvenient truth. Normally, nobody would
care. Normally, nobody would bother with more than a comment or two
about "that's odd." However, when you've been attacking people for
years over that very issue, push-back is inevitable.
For any lurkers out there, this is what Usher doesn't understand. For
most people, how we cope with life isn't so important as that we
cope. How we came to be who we are isn't as important as who we
are. But when you throw too many rocks at too many people for too
long, and back it up with lie after lie, people lose their sympathy,
their willingness to accommodate. We all only sit in judgment on
Usher because Usher first unjustly judged some of those here, and did
a lot of harm. Usher has done a lot over the course of the decade to
earn the the lumps of coal in the Christmas stocking, and will never
change.
Whats in it for Me?
Anyone with a bit of common sense can google groups and find out the
continual rantings of members of this group. I went and did that recently
and found some great stuff and it keeps coming. We are all guilty of
calling one he here but it has gotten to the stage where there is no respect
so why bother.
Your idea sounds good a safe environment for open discussion is whats
needed, not people on the prowl ready to attack.
"barbie" <openvid...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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--
barbie
For the tech-minded (or otherwise curious) ... and anyone who wants to
have some fun playing around with web forums, etc ...
1. News aggregation
For news aggregation, something built around either simplepie or rnews
could work.
simplepie: http://simplepie.org/
rnews news aggregator: http://sourceforge.net/projects/rnews/
You give it a list of sites to look at, and it grabs the news feeds
formats them nicely, makes them clickable, and you're done (okay,
there's a bit more if you want to do something more elaborate, but
still, you get the idea). Once it's set up, the only real work is
deciding what feeds to add or remove.
2. Editorial content
The editorial section (where people would post stories and stuff for
discussion) could be handled by geeklog
http://www.geeklog.net/
An example of a geeklog site is http://groklaw.net
Pamela doesn't use all the facilities available in geeklog (like
embedding icons in the story so people can click on them and see
stories under similar topics - people like clicky pics)
The nice thing is that you can configure comments to either disallow
all, disallow anonymous, hold for moderation, or allow all. I think
that would solve one issue that's important to almost everyone here.
3. Forums
Creating discussion forums could be done in three ways
a. a separate install with the code slightly modified to use the same
login credentials,
b. create a "forums" topic on the principal install
c. forum software
The advantage of 3.b is that forums could then be just part of the
normal flow, so that people looking for information could be drawn
into discussions.
You can go here to play around with a whole bunch of Content
Management Systems and see what you like and don't like about each
one.
http://php.opensourcecms.com/scripts/show.php?catid=1&cat=CMS%20/%20Portals
Don't worry - even if you know NOTHING about how this stuff works,
just use the free demo account and have fun.
4. General Information
For general information, there's always wiki software. Pretty much
everyone seems to use mediawiki, but there are alternatives.:
http://php.opensourcecms.com/scripts/show.php?catid=8&cat=Wiki
There's also the static pages feature of of several CMS packages,
including geeklog.
End notes.
I've used drupal and joomla on commercial projects. Both require more
work to administer and the added benefits just don't seem to be worth
it to me. I used to prefer postnuke, but it just hasn't kept up with
the times.
I encourage everyone who's interested to investigate the other
possibilities at http://opensourcecms.com - you don't have to know
anything about writing code or web hosting to play with the demos,
either as a regular user or as an administrator. It's a great
resource for getting a "first look". Who knows - maybe my ideas are
totally off the wall and someone else will find THE perfect package
for what everyone wants.
--
Fluffy Barbie
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")
barbie
There are ways to participate w/o revealing your identity. The one
thing I would be cautious about is depending on Google (or any other
US-based company) for the infrastructure - I just use them for throw-
away email addresses and other unimportant stuff. Eric Schmidt
(google head honcho) has gone on record saying that as far as he's
concerned, you don't have any expectation of privacy when using
google. That puts him solidly in the "jerk" category as far as I'm
concerned. The whole "If you have something to hide maybe you
shouldn't be doing it in the first place" argument is thoughtless.
> I think judgment matters. If you have something that you don't want anyone to know,
> maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place. If you really need that kind of
> privacy, the reality is that search engines -- including Google -- do retain this
> information for some time and it's important, for example, that we are all subject
> in the United States to the Patriot Act and it is possible that all that information
> could be made available to the authorities.
Fortunately, I don't live in the US and I moved my hosting from the US
earlier this year, so no Patriot Act for me.
Here's a decent rebuttal: http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2009-12-10-n84.html
barbie
<conceptg...@whatisthereality.com> wrote:
> Barbie,
>
> Anyone with a bit of common sense can google groups and find out the
> continual rantings of members of this group. I went and did that recently
> and found some great stuff and it keeps coming. We are all guilty of
> calling one he here but it has gotten to the stage where there is no respect
> so why bother.
>
> Your idea sounds good a safe environment for open discussion is whats
> needed, not people on the prowl ready to attack.
Well, I suggested it a few years ago, but the goings-on here (more
specifically, Usher continually being rude to Willow and a few others)
just sickened me so much that I left.
I'd keep an eye on things once in a while, which is how I eventually
found out that someone else was posting claiming to be me. BTW:
Anyone who has my home email address from back then - it's still
valid. It hasn't changed this decade (oh, that makes me feel
old ... :-). If you're NOT Usher, feel free to drop me a line.
I've posted a few suggestions elsewhere in the thread of one way we
can approach it - if you want to build on it, comment on it, throw
rocks at it, I'm listening
--
Fluffy Barbie (gee, the rabbits are multiplying like rabbits)
Jennifer Usher
"Willow" <pang...@telus.net> wrote in message
news:329e17c3-ade5-4140...@m7g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> As to an alternative group, sans Usher, I am certainly in favour.
>
> Usher can easily wrote to himself here or go play in his 62 other
> groups.
Awww, I will so miss the hilarity of Willy Boy's attempts at spelling, and
grammar, and other things that one learns in elementary school.
--
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
Oh, this is too funny! I mean, really.....I was actually wondering if
Dickhead David, aka Diane Lask, had actually gone soft...nope, no chance of
that. Only a fool would willing give Lask access to their image. Of
course, he already has Willy Boy's....and I do believe that web site is
still up...no, I stand corrected...Lask finally took it down. I guess he
figured he better make this look good. Of course, Goat Boy is NEVER going
to let anyone see what he looks like. I do wish I had a photo of him to
share. And somehow I doubt anyone else wants to be seen.
>>It would be nice if all of us Willow, Bunnie, Barb, and Helen could get
>>on board and contribute somehow. I'm serious if you are. What the
>>hell .
>
> I would rather not do any videoconferencing. Nobody here knows what I
> look like now, and I prefer to keep it that way. It would be easy to
> reveal my current appearance, but not so easy to un-reveal it.
Smart move on Helen's part.
--
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
"Willow" <pang...@telus.net> wrote in message
news:ec479615-756c-4094...@t7g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
Yes, Billy Boy has lots of experience with what happens to those who are not
civil. He has quite a record of being tossed off of mailing lists.
And, of course, the only reason Willy Boy would not do video conferencing is
because he does not have a video camera. After all, his image is well
known, thanks to Diane. Of course, I saved a copy of that image, just in
case.
--
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
"Helen Detroit" <FutureG...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:e5s4j5l5dak4rqj9r...@4ax.com...
> We could have a club charter, like the Hell's Angels, except nice
> instead of mean. Torture evildoers with niceness. Just be so sickeningly
> sweet that unsweet people can't stand us, and leave us alone to go
> hippity hopping through the lovely scented cyber-fields of clover and
> daffodils to a pleasantly burbling brook where we could all sit in a
> circle and have a nice picnic while we commune with Mother Natures's
> other nice creatures as the foul-hearted ones look down from the barren
> crags with disgust, loathing, and a bit of jealousy over our happiness.
> Would you pass the carrots, please? Why of course. And how about a nice
> juicy celery stalk, or an apple wedge, peeled just the way you like it?
> Why, thank you ever so much! You are really too kind! No, I could never
> be too kind to my fellow bunnies. You are all so sweet, I get a warm
> fuzzy feeling! Well, when you are a bunny, you always have a warm fuzzy
> feeling, I would think. Mr Squirrel, won't you come down out of the tree
> and join us? We have some lovely pecans here for you! Oh there's Mrs.
> Deer... Hi, Mrs. Deer! How are you today? Won't you stay for a bite to
> eat, and tell us how your children are doing? Byebye, Miss Bluebird...
> sorry you couldn't stay and chirp with us longer. Oh, happy happy joy
> joy!
If I didn't know that Helen was a crossdresser, I might take this as a
wonderful parody.
Before it is over with, Lask will eat Helen alive.
--
Jennifer Usher
Willow
wrote:
> Hi Willow,
> I thought about you when we lit the yule log Monday night.
Many thanks. The longest night of the year - a good time to light a
nice fire.
We have -20 or so outside, That makes beign inside with a nice fire
especially good! A fire, a bit of mulled wine or cider. Hmmmm.
Willow
Willow
>
> > It would be an interesting experiment .... Can four TG people from
> > different backgrounds come together to create a useful project without
> > driving each other crazy? (cue Odd Couple music... ) LOL
Answer - Yes.
My friend Danielle and I differ on just about everything, but we ar
still the best of friends.
Now, let's go! Will one of the techie types please spend a few
minutes setting things up - I can do a Google group as anyone can, but
the things discussed here are way beyond my limited computer
knowledge.
I suppose we need an administrator and I don't really care who it
might be. We can set up any necessary rules once it is up and
running. Privacy is a must if we are to be candid - no swearing on a
drop of blood os such but enough to keep rouddies out. Many moons
ago, I was part of a group called the Sunday Evening Sewing Circle.
We had a wonderful time for years but sort of lost things when we all
- or almost all - finished the SRS race.
Oh yes, I think we should post a note here daily, advising other TS or
TG to avoid this place and apply to join us if they wish - or did I
miss something and we are going to be just the four. Either way,
oncwe up and running, we stay away from this place.
Willow
barbie
> "Willow" <panga...@telus.net> wrote in message
This is something I for one won't miss.
It's too easy to post a retort like "Let me guess: Your excuse is that
in Alabama they didn't teach manners until high school" ... Next thing
you know, that's ALL that's being discussed. Of course, it is now
obvious to everyone that this is Usher's goal ... get people drawn
into wars because that is all Usher can do at this point.
The whole HBS thing is pretty much flushed down the tubes. Everyone's
known for a few years that, contrary to claims otherwise, Usher isn't
"living well", that Usher just lives for the newsgroups, and can't
help but read every post - even the ones that are supposedly "kill-
filed." There's no possibility of positive contributions from Usher -
nastiness has become too much of an ingrained habit. To
"comfortable."
The *only* person who will miss this nastiness is Usher. Do I feel
sorry for Usher being stuck in perma-bully mode? Only until I remind
myself of how long this has been going on, how much hurt has been
caused, and that there comes a time to put any notion of pity aside.
I would like to take a moment though, to point out three things:
1. The 'i' and 'o' keys are side by side;
2. Everyone makes typos;
3. You are the one who continues to make yourself a target by bullying
others and deriding any positive ideas.
--
Fluffy Barbie
barbie
[a lot of useless nastiness removed]
> --
> Jennifer Usher
We've seen your pictures. More on that particular topic in another
post.
barbie
[more nastiness removed]
> --
> Jennifer Usher
For the record:
You always complain about the pictures that are available of you on
the net. You say they are of "poor quality."
Let's apply the Usher Predictive Translator to this issue.
Usher: "The pictures are of poor quality."
UPT: "The quality of the pictures is just fine - they show me like I
really am."
Inquiring minds would ask "Well, if the pictures are of such poor
quality, why don't you post some better ones? You have a webcam on
your laptop."
UPT predictive response: "I would, but I want to have pictures with
some nice outdoor scenery, and the battery is getting old, and in the
sunlight the screen is too dim."
UPT translation "I don't want to take pictures of me inside my single
room occupancy in the Vice Hotel for obvious reasons."
Inquiring minds would ask "So why not have a co-worker or friend take
a few pictures with their cell phone?"
UPT predictive response: "I don't want to bother anyone else."
UPT translation: "Friends?"
Inquiring minds would ask "Well, you could always use some of that
money you've saved by living in the Vice Motel to buy yourself a cheap
digital camera for the holidays. They're under $50 at
tigerdirect.com"
UPT predictive response: "Why should I spend money to prove anything
to this lot?"
UPT translation: "I don't know Photoshop. Just look at how badly I
messed up my eyes with MS-Paint in my profile picture."
Nobody here has an issue with the way someone might look except you.
You've made an issue of it for years, claiming that your appearance,
unlike the people you continually threw rocks at, was just fine. Then
everyone found out that you don't really pass at work, even in your
own mind:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.srs/browse_thread/thread/e8cf773e8eaf4c17/57f1ffc62378d0a9
&<====&<====&<====&<====
I like what I do, but it is not exactly a stealth
situation at all. I spend all day with people who are transgender,
discussing transgender stuff, and it gets real old, real fast.
&<====&<====&<====&<====
Having to work with those "icky transgendered people", some of who
probably look way better than you, must be a real pain. No wonder you
come here to beat up on people.
Also little wonder the Christians gave you the boot. You're way too
judgmental (though that's only one of the reasons, it's certainly
sufficient).
It's stuff like that which makes it obvious you only come here to pump
up your own ego, because discussing transgender stuff, in your own
words, "gets real old, real fast."
Nobody will miss your charade, or your meanful, spiteful, abusive
behaviour. Nobody. I feel dirty just replying to your garbage!
Jennifer Usher
"Willow" <pang...@telus.net> wrote in message
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> On Dec 23, 5:22 pm, barbie <openvideocl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > It would be an interesting experiment .... Can four TG people from
>> > different backgrounds come together to create a useful project without
>> > driving each other crazy? (cue Odd Couple music... ) LOL
>
> Answer - Yes.
ROTFL!
> My friend Danielle and I differ on just about everything, but we ar
> still the best of friends.
Translation: Danielle is as big a lose as Willy Boy.
> Now, let's go! Will one of the techie types please spend a few
> minutes setting things up - I can do a Google group as anyone can, but
> the things discussed here are way beyond my limited computer
> knowledge.
True...Willy Boy hasn't, as far as anyone knows, been thrown off of Google.
Yahoo, now that is another matter.
> I suppose we need an administrator and I don't really care who it
> might be. We can set up any necessary rules once it is up and
> running. Privacy is a must if we are to be candid - no swearing on a
> drop of blood os such but enough to keep rouddies out. Many moons
> ago, I was part of a group called the Sunday Evening Sewing Circle.
> We had a wonderful time for years but sort of lost things when we all
> - or almost all - finished the SRS race.
Only an idiot like Willy Boy would see SRS as some sort of race. No, it is
not a competition. It is something you have because you need it, not
something you have because you have some weird psychiatric problems because
you got raped in a Thai prison after you got caught doing something even
they think is immoral.
> Oh yes, I think we should post a note here daily, advising other TS or
> TG to avoid this place and apply to join us if they wish - or did I
> miss something and we are going to be just the four. Either way,
> oncwe up and running, we stay away from this place.
Yes, they should all definitely stay away from this place. And I would
think a regular posting of the Idiot Trolls FAQ should suffice to warn
people about the nutcases running this new "forum." Of course, keeping it
at four would make it easier for Dickhead David to get the info he is after,
and then go after the others when the opportunity presents.
Ah, what fools these idiot trolls be.
--
Jennifer Usher
Willow
<Snip>
> Ah, what fools these idiot trolls be.
One gets the impression that Usher is sensing his demise. The frantic
flopping of a dying fish...
Willow
barbie
wrote:
> Her insinuation, that there are trolls about, is not without some merit.
> Here we are discussing moving on to something presumably better than
> this group, but still not moving beyond giving Jennifer a poke in the
> eye. Remember, it doesn't hurt her... it hurts you. And Willow, I don't
> mean to single you out because there are others who also feel compelled
> to sling barbs at her, either in retaliation or gratuitously. Could we
> now begin to practice the good behavior that everyone insists be
> required on the new forum we are planning? It's the right thing to do.
> If we are to start this, let us start it in a spirit of sisterhood and
> goodness instead of mean-ness and enmity. Let sleeping dogs lie. Let
> barking dongs, well, continue to bark as they see fit, while we move on.
>
> Merry Christmas
> Helen
I'm ready to move on this weekend. I just sent an order for a neutral
domain name (not one that would be readily related to this group, like
the one I reserved earlier this year), that should be fulfilled and
running some time in the next couple of days (normally it would be
done within a few hours, but this *is* Christmas eve, and I'm not
about to nag them. They've always treated me right, and I have 9 years
left in my current 10-year deal with them :-).
We can take the discussions there within an hour of my getting the
notification that it's up (it'll take me a few minutes to install some
software), if everyone else is okay with that. Or we can do things
"in parallel" for a while, until someone else comes up with a better
plan, or wants to host everything, etc. It's all good by me.
If any of "the Bugs Bunny gang" wants to try out a particular software
package and play with some ideas for formats, content, etc., now might
be a good time to start making a list and checking it twice, because
this Christmas it would be a *good thing* to separate the naughty and
nice once and for all.
If there are delays because of the holidays, I have a half-dozen or so
other domains that I can temporarily "park" the group discussion and
anyone's experiments/trials/etc., under, but hopefully all will go
well. The group can then decide how we should proceed.
In the meantime, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to everyone.
... and yes Helen, , I'm done with the barking dog. I've said what I
felt needed to be said.
As Martin Niemoller said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...
First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I
was not a communist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not
a Jew;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.
Sometimes it's important to speak out, because silence could be seen
as quiet acquiescence. It's why, when I apologized to Willow, I did
it both privately and publicly. A private apology alone would have
left a corrosive doubt about whether the apology was genuine or not,
and we all know how THAT would have been exploited.
BTW, thanks :-)
Jennifer Usher
"Willow" <pang...@telus.net> wrote in message
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You have to love Willy Boy's touch of male bravado. Actually, quite the
contrary...I am enjoying watching these fools trying to build their new
playground. This should be totally hilarious. And the thought of this
place being free of Willy Boy and the rest of the stooges just warms my
little heart. It will either die off, or people will return. Either is
fine with me. But my demise? Not at all...not at all...
--
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
"Helen Detroit" <FutureG...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:gt57j5p9ctegh7bhg...@4ax.com...
> Well, is it productive for the rest of us to continue to yank her chain?
Well, in truth, it is about as productive as the idiot trolls will ever be.
Poor Helen. This person really does come across as just a bit na�ve.
> Her insinuation, that there are trolls about, is not without some merit.
Or perhaps not. Perhaps a bit of a light is beginning to come one...
> Here we are discussing moving on to something presumably better than
> this group, but still not moving beyond giving Jennifer a poke in the
> eye. Remember, it doesn't hurt her... it hurts you. And Willow, I don't
> mean to single you out because there are others who also feel compelled
> to sling barbs at her, either in retaliation or gratuitously. Could we
> now begin to practice the good behavior that everyone insists be
> required on the new forum we are planning? It's the right thing to do.
Now, that would truly be a Christmas miracle...or perhaps a Festivus one.
> If we are to start this, let us start it in a spirit of sisterhood and
> goodness instead of mean-ness and enmity. Let sleeping dogs lie. Let
> barking dongs, well, continue to bark as they see fit, while we move on.
We shall see....we shall see...
--
Jennifer Usher
Willow
wrote:
> Well, is it productive for the rest of us to continue to yank her chain?
I suppose I was a bit miffed that Usher chose to insult a person who
she does not know. That person has a life that puts Usher's in the
shade, deep shade. The contrast is striking and frankly, I don't like
people insulting those I know and love.
I intent to write more of my dear friend in our new group. It shall
be a pleasure to do so without the snide comments from "The Thing from
the Mission Hotel" (coming to a drive-in near you....)
Willow
Jennifer Usher
"Willow" <pang...@telus.net> wrote in message
news:bab526d8-6310-4a58...@z3g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 24, 9:00 am, Helen Detroit <FutureGirl70...@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> Well, is it productive for the rest of us to continue to yank her chain?
>
> I suppose I was a bit miffed that Usher chose to insult a person who
> she does not know. That person has a life that puts Usher's in the
> shade, deep shade. The contrast is striking and frankly, I don't like
> people insulting those I know and love.
I did not insult said person. I simply observed that such person cannot
possibly have successfully transitioned, otherwise Willy Boy would have
nothing but contempt for said person.
> I intent to write more of my dear friend in our new group. It shall
> be a pleasure to do so without the snide comments from "The Thing from
> the Mission Hotel" (coming to a drive-in near you....)
No doubt about how this "dear friend" has had to put up with so much, in the
brave effort to live as a woman, and how this "dear friend" perseveres on in
the face of so much hardship.
Willy Boy, the bad joke of the frozen north.
--
Jennifer Usher