The alt.support.srs Idiot Trolls FAQ
Jennifer Usher
Well, judging from the messages that have been disappearing, it would appear that Dickhead David (aka Diane Lask) and/or Goat Boy have been trolling again.... So, it is time for another round of the...
The alt.support.srs Idiot Trolls FAQ
Version 1.3
This is a collection of questions I imagine anyone stumbling into this place might ask. I will post it from time to time, as I see the need, as the only response I will make to the worst trolls here. All of them, save one, are in my kill file. I don't see their posts, and I don't read anything they say, unless it is quoted by another. As I point out, I will continue to respond to Willy Boy, if only because I know it irritates him.
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What is going on here? This place seems to be a mess!
This is alt.support.srs. It was created when alt.transgender was broke up in a vain attempt to end the flame wars that occurred there back in the mid-Nineties. Unfortunately, it quickly deteriorated into its own flame wars, and has pretty much deteriorated to its present condition.
This group is dominated by a group of trolls. Now, in case you don't know what a troll is, here is the canonical definition from the Jargon File:
troll: 1. v.,n. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames; or, the post itself. Derives from the phrase “trolling for newbies” which in turn comes from mainstream “trolling”, a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed troll is a post that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate troll. If you don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on it. See also YHBT.
2. n. An individual who chronically trolls in sense 1; regularly posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a newsgroup, discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to annoy someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by the fact that they have no real interest in learning about the topic at hand - they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming characteristics, and as such, they are recognized as a lower form of life on the net, as in, “Oh, ignore him, he's just a troll.” Compare kook.
Some people claim that the troll (sense 1) is properly a narrower category than flame bait, that a troll is categorized by containing some assertion that is wrong but not overtly controversial. See also Troll-O-Meter.
The use of ‘troll’ in any of these senses is a live metaphor that readily produces elaborations and combining forms. For example, one not infrequently sees the warning “Do not feed the troll” as part of a followup to troll postings. Now, clearly, we are talking about trolls in sense 2. And they also would qualify as kooks:
kook: [Usenet; originally and more formally, net.kook] Term used to describe a regular poster who continually posts messages with no apparent grounding in reality. Different from a troll, which implies a sort of sly wink on the part of a poster who knows better, kooks really believe what they write, to the extent that they believe anything.
The kook trademark is paranoia and grandiosity. Kooks will often build up elaborate imaginary support structures, fake corporations and the like, and continue to act as if those things are real even after their falsity has been documented in public.
While they may appear harmless, and are usually filtered out by the other regular participants in a newsgroup of mailing list, they can still cause problems because the necessity for these measures is not immediately apparent to newcomers; there are several instances on record, for example, of journalists writing stories with quotes from kooks who caught them unaware.
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You know, it is ironic that they try to accuse me of trolling, when I am not the one who posts obsessively to the group, trying, desperately, to get a response.
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Does anyone actually read this group?
At present, there appear to be four or five people actually reading here, including myself. I don't know if anyone else is around, or not. Possibly not, but what the heck, this FAQ will drive the three or four trolls present up the wall, so why not?
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So, who are the “players” here?
First off, there is myself, Jennifer Usher.
Then there are the “Three Stooges.” Now, like the original three stooges, there are actually more than three. But, for a long time, there were just three, and they have that juvenile, male nature about themselves, so the name just seems perfect.
First, there is the groups “Moe.” I refer to this person as “Dickhead David because, well apparently his birth name was “David,” and he really is a dickhead. Out in the real world, he goes by the name “Diane Lask,” though he has tried to hide his identity by using the name Diane Arons. Given his silliness, it is no wonder he tries to hide his identity. And he is perfect as the group's “Moe” because he tends to be something of a leader wannabe, he has that angry, sadistic quality, and well, his hair style does look a bit like Moe's bowl cut.
Second, there is the group's “Larry,” This would be the one I refer to as Goat Boy. He used to use the nick, “Mabel the Storm Goat. Then he was Electra for a while, and now he calls himelf “Fluffy Bunny,” Trust me, if you met this fellow, you would not be thinking either fluffy, or bunny. He is very obviously “transgender.” And well, he does look a lot more like a goat than anything like a bunny. Like Larry, he plays second banana to the group's “Moe,” and well, his hair would remind you a bit of Larry's hair. I knew him in the real world, but I cannot remember which names he used. Like many TGs he changed his name occasionally, never quite happy with whatever he was calling himself.
Third, there is the group's “Curly.” This would be the infamous “Willy Boy” who has trolled the world of transsexuals as “Willow Arune. Born William Orobko, he has a bizarre history and a bitter hatred of anyone who has ever successfully transitioned. He plays the role of Curly well, with his rather large size, his idiotic behavior, and well, while not bald, he does have the beginnings of male pattern baldness.
Finally, there is the group's “Shemp.” A less than stellar player, the man who calls himself “Hautebebe” is only an occasional member of the troupe. Like Shemp, he is something of a mystery.
There are a few others who post occasionally, like “Ruby.” I have a pretty good idea who Ruby really is, but hey, it's not me...in spite of what has been claimed. Of course, the idiot trolls, who have done plenty of sock puppetry, don't want to believe anyone might actually disagree with them.
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Is this the same “Diane” that has been here forever?
Yes, this person has been trolling these waters since the beginning, and was active on Fidonet before that. This nutcase has maintained a long term obsession with a fellow nutcase who called himself “Laura Blake” for a number of years. It turned out that his real name was Lyle Blake, and even though he left here long ago, Lask has continued to obsess over him, even going so far as to dig up dirt on him recently.
Ironically, Lask made peace with me, and we actually became friends for a while. I even let Lask sleep on my floor for a couple of days, though he now denies it. It turns out that while Lask was claiming to have well paying jobs as a programmer, he was actually quite broke and homeless. It was never completely clear what happened, but Lask does have decent computer skills. I have suspicions as to what led him to be on the skids, and it probably involved some sort of theft, but that is just, as I say, suspicions.
Lask spent a couple of days crashing on my floor, and then he moved in with a post-op who identifies as a lesbian, but who is more “tranny chaser” than anything else. I know this, because at the time, I had a personal ad on Craig's List (I was still pre-op at the time, and felt it was safer to be upfront) and this person contacted me. I was not really interested in dating a woman, but I was volunteering at a research project targeting “transgender people” at UCSF and I figured helping recruit subjects would look good. When I talked to the person, she said that a friend was going to stay with her. I had a hunch, and asked if it was Diane Lask. It was. I found that rather interesting.
I felt sorry for Lask, but I have to say, this is one sick puppy. I remember him showing me his pepper spray and saying that he was considering finding some homeless person to test it on. At first I thought he was just making a sick joke, but then I realized...he was serious.
Now, at the time, I promised Lask I would not reveal his “secret” but when it became clear that he was the anonymous troll who was making increasingly vicious attacks (he mentioned some things that only Lask would have known), I decided that my promise was no longer binding.
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So Why is this person so nasty?
The most likely explanation is, simply because this person is nasty. But, I suspect that some of the obsession is a result of his botched surgery. You see, Lask does not have a functioning vagina. Now, why he never had this corrected is beyond me, other than possibly finances.
As to my personal issues with Lask, these began when he decided that he wanted alt.support.srs to go away. He has always seen this as his personal kingdom, and he made the decision that he wanted this group to die. When I declined to obey his imperial edict, he turned on me. At first his crap was sort of amusing. I suspected it was him, but I was not sure. Then as he got increasingly nasty, I figured if it was him, he would bring up the time he spent with me. When he did, I knew it was him, and I fought back. He does not take kindly to those who stand up to him.
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So, how do you know “Goat Boy?”
I met this person during the time I was living at a local homeless shelter. He was there as well. I immediately read him as “transgender” (as did everyone else in the place) but he did not know I was a transsexual until I told him. He tries to deny this now, but the record shows he previously admitted it.
Again, we were friends...until someone pointed out that he was clearly not a transsexual. I could not, in good conscience, disagree with that assertion, and he, quite simply, blew a gasket because I would not “defend him,” He has since engaged in vicious attacks, most of which involve outright lies.
Goat Boy is quite the character. When I knew him in the shelter, he claimed to be HIV positive. I remember this, because at the time, I was rooming with a person who was, well....interesting. Among other things, she claimed to have psychic powers, and the ability to heal people. I never took her seriously, but I figured it was better to humor her. I remember talking to her about “healing” Goat Boy of having HIV. She said she had never done that before, but would try. Who knows, maybe it worked because more recently, Goat Boy claimed to be dying from lymphoma. In fact, at the time, he was literally at death's door, but has since had an apparently miraculous recovery. The only thing that can be definitively said about Goat Boy's health is that he obviously suffers from Münchausen syndrome.
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So what is the deal with “Willy Boy?”
Do a Google search for “Willow Arune,” and you will discover that this person is major net kook with a long history of attacking transsexuals. He had surgery in a bizarre effort to deal with a rape he claims occurred in a Thai jail. His story is totally bizarre, and is well documented. It is really not worth repeating here, when it is so easily researched online.
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What is the deal with your kill filing everyone but “Willy Boy?”
This is a good question. It is very simple. Willy Boy desperately wishes to be kill filed by me. Deep down, he wants to be unchallenged in his efforts to post his crap here. As it is now, he knows it will be quickly refuted, and he has quite even trying. On the other hand, the rest of the stooges desperately want my attention. Even though I only see them when they are quoted, I know they post obsessively. And from what little I see, I know that many of their posts consist of outrageous lies in the hope of goading me into responding. They also fantasize that I am reading their crap, and am just devastated by it. Oh well....
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So, what lies have they posted?
Well, a very common one is that I have not had SRS. I had my surgery on February 10, 2006. They know this is true, but they keep repeating this in the hopes of getting me to respond. My surgery was covered by insurance from my job. It was not, as some have tried to claim, performed in Thailand. It was not, as Willy Boy tried to claim, performed by a “no-name” doctor. My surgeon was not a well known as some, but my surgeon was well qualified, having been trained by Dr. Laub, perhaps the top SRS surgeon of all time.
Another lie, that seems to have become popular, is that I am living in a homeless shelter. Now, while it is true that I was once in a shelter (as were at least two others here), that has not been true for over six years. I live in a residential hotel. As I have pointed out, I spend less than a fifth of my income on housing. That leaves a lot for other things, like travel, and other pleasures. And contrary to a number of claims, while this place is not exactly “Nob Hill” it is not as bad as some make it out. A range of people live here. Some are challenged. Some, such as myself, hit hard times for a while. Many of the people here are quite decent folks...much nicer than the three who wish to attack me.
It is easy to find people more than willing to attack any place that provides sub-market rate housing. There are a lot of people in San Francisco who think, as former mayor Willie Brown supposedly said, no one should be allowed to live in San Francisco who does make at least $100,000. So, they can find more than a few articles that slam places like where I live. Interestingly enough, like much of San Francisco, my neighborhood is undergoing gentrification. Around the corner there is a rather upscale eatery...right between two relatively inexpensive ethnic places. For a while, there was a pretty ritzy night club there as well, though it is undergoing some sort of renovation. Next door to my building, there are relatively expensive condos. This is just the nature of San Francisco. And as these sort of things move into a neighborhood, there is an effort to move affordable housing out.
As I have observed, their attitudes about this show their attitudes of male privilege. Even though both Goat Boy and Dickhead David have seen hard times, they just cannot get past their sense of privilege. They have no understanding of life as a single woman. One does what one has to do. As I have said, I could spend more on housing, but I prefer being able to visit my daughter and grandchildren. Of course, as I say, the idiot trolls are very male in their attitudes. Things like that are lost on them.
It is also claimed that I have some sort of “workfare” job. Again, not true. I am a career (i.e. permanent) employee. I have received several advancements since starting with my employer. And no, I am not “hidden” away as some claim. Nor does my current position have anything directly to do with “transgender people.” There is currently one project that specifically targets transgender people, and other than the same work I do for all projects, I have nothing to do with that.
And I might add, for a job that they claim is non-existent, all three of the primary stooges went to great lengths to try to get me fired. Those efforts were laughed off, by the way. Oh, and Dickhead David's latest one was a hoot. He claims to have sent a copy of this to people I work with along with the claim that I was "outing" people. I mean, really? He is even more irony personified than Willy Boy.
One of the most absurd claims is about my weight. While I could stand to lose a few more pounds, I have never weighed anywhere near what is claimed. But, hey, nobody said these idiots are concerned with facts. Granted, I do seem to have lost about 75 pounds according to the latest from Dickhead David.
A new lie, or at least a newer version of an old lie, is that my ex divorced me for non-support. The actual grounds, as with almost any divorce, was irreconcilable differences. In our case, it was that I was becoming a woman, and she was not a lesbian. So, that is just fiction on the part of Dickhead David.
And another part of this same lie is that I moved in with an older man. Actually, the man I lived with for a year was actually a bit younger than I was (no, not that much younger...knowing the idiot trolls, I can just imagine the next round of lies, but hey, I can use a good laugh). Nor was he moved to a managed care facility. His father moved him to a less expensive apartment. During our year together, I worked, and he was on disability. I did not live off of his Social Security checks, as I paid for quite a bit of stuff out of my income. His father just felt that the place cost too much, and found a place where he could qualify for “Section 8.” And no, I was not his “gay lover.” We did not have a sexual relation, as I was pre-op and besides, he was not really able to have sex because of his injuries. But, idiot trolls have dirty minds. And some of them tend to be bizarrely homophobic. Which is really odd, given that Lask has been in a “lesbian” relationship with a post-op tranny chaser, and any relation with a male would not be able to involve any sort of normal sex.
A favorite taunt of all of the increasingly obsessive trolls is about how quickly I respond to Arune. That is funny for several reasons. First, I generally respond to Arune when I notice he has posted a message. When I am checking my email at home, I can see, easily enough, if there is a message in this newsgroup. If there is one, I click on the group. If the message is from a kill filed troll, it disappears at that point. (That is how I know they are still posting, though unless quoted by another, I have no way of know who, or what is, posted.) If it is from Willy Boy, is from someone who is not in my kill file, or if it is spam, I see it. I then respond, unless there is some reason to wait. I usually wait only if there is something I need to research to answer the post. That is very rare now, as most posts are either Willy Boys inane silliness, or they disappear.
Since I don't post during working hours, when I respond varies. If he posts early in the day, I may not respond for hours. If he posts closer to when I get off, it may take less time. If, as occasionally happens, he posts while I am answering other email, I may post right away. Now, only the most desperate of idiot trolls would try to make something out of this. But yes, that is exactly what the idiot trolls here have tried to do.
Yet another common lie among the idiot trolls is that I am uneducated. In truth, I have quite a few years of college. In truth, I probably have six or seven years total. So, why no degree? I changed majors a lot. Let's see, I started out in American Studies, switched to Journalism, then went back for Electronics Engineering Technology, followed by pre-engineering, and wound up taking several courses in pursuit of a nursing degree. Of course, you have to remember, all this time, I was dealing with being a transsexual....something that none of the idiot trolls can relate to, since the all seem to have decided they wanted to become women late in life, after successful careers. And, since completing transition my life has improved...and theirs have all gone down. Go figure.
The simple bottom line is, truth simply doesn't matter to the idiot trolls. For example, Dickhead David, in one of his attempts to claim someone else was me, made a big fuss about how the message was crossposted to several groups. He claimed this was the same behavior as “Lyell Blake,” who he is still obsessed with years after he left the group. Never mind the fact that this is actually classic behavior for him. Yes, Dickhead David Lask is probably the worst about crossposting to unrelated newsgroups in his trolling attempts.
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So why not just walk away from it all, and let this place die?
That is a good question. First off, I tried that. Some years back, I made an agreement with my boss at the time that I would stop posting to the group. It was not required, as I was posting on my own time, and my boss had no authority to make this a requirement, but I was still in my probationary period, and well, unlike some here, I'm not an idiot. Even though I stopped posting, Willy Boy continued to attack me. He was rather enjoying having the freedom to attack without me being able to respond. Once I was past probation, and was protected from being fired without good cause, I returned.
Now, we have Dickhead David, aka, Diane Lask. This idiot troll still obsesses over Lyle “Laura” Blake years after Blake has not only left the group, but has stopped even living as a woman. Blake moved on, but Lask cannot. He is obsessed with this place. It is his life. He spends hours searching for something he can use against his imagined enemies.
In a way, it would be interesting to leave. What might be forgotten is that Lask has targeted both Willy Boy and Goat Boy in the past. Both of these idiot trolls are so blinded by their hatred towards me (Willy Boy because I am successful, and Goat Boy because I refused to acknowledge him as a female because he is an avowed non-op) that they forget that fact. They overlook the fact that Lask was on friendly terms with me until I declined to obey him and leave the group when he decided to shut it down. They probably actually think that if I leave, their little love affair with Lask will continue. Boy, would they be in for a surprise.
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Jennifer Usher
Willow
"... because I am successful..."
Oh yeah. Sure. Living in a one room "suite" the Vice Hotel in skid
row, SF is "success". One could indeed go on, but you get the
point....
A fiction. One only wishes Usher were a figment of one's nightmare.
The Bedbug Queen of Alt.SRS Support, the one who believes that
"she" (using the term very loosily) is the zenith of success, romance
and beauty.
More may be found in many prior posts. Suffice to say, a dillusional
nutcase of major proportions...
Willow
Jennifer Usher
"Willow" <pang...@telus.net> wrote in message
news:6f6f7029-62f2-4f03...@s21g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 26, 10:32 pm, "Jennifer Usher" <jennisu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "... because I am successful..."
> Oh yeah. Sure. Living in a one room "suite" the Vice Hotel in skid
> row, SF is "success". One could indeed go on, but you get the
> point....
ROTFL! Well, of course, Willy Boy can't go on, because he is taking what I
said out of context. I have successfully transitioned, he has not. I live
as a woman. He does not. He is, as Ray Blanchard put it, "A man without a
penis." He lives on disability in a small Canadian town, and survives
because he has someone who pities him enough to let him live with her. He
has no job, though for a while he was a junior pimp in training, driving
prostitutes around to their, uh clients.
> A fiction. One only wishes Usher were a figment of one's nightmare.
No, unfortunately, I am a very real part of his very real nightmare.
> The Bedbug Queen of Alt.SRS Support, the one who believes that
> "she" (using the term very loosily) is the zenith of success, romance
> and beauty.
Now, you see, this is typical of Willy Boy. No, I am hardly the "zenith" of
any of those things, and have never claimed to be. What is true is that I
am doing far better than I did before transition. Unlike Willy Boy, I am
self-supporting, earning a living, and not dependent on others to get by. I
have had romances, which seems to drive Willy Boy up the wall. But, not
hardly the zenith of that. And beauty? Well, compared to Willy Boy, I at
least look like a woman. But, as I have said before, I am a no great beauty
and have never claimed to be one. But, hey I would rather be a plain
looking woman than a man in a dress like Willy Boy.
> More may be found in many prior posts. Suffice to say, a dillusional
> nutcase of major proportions...
Yes, a delusional nutcase of major proportions would be a apt description of
Willy Boy. And hey, at least I can spell delusional. And at least I know
to use a spell checker in case I make the occasional typing error.
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Jennifer Usher
fluffybunnie
>
> ROTFL! Well, of course, Willy Boy can't go on, because he is taking what I
> said out of context. I have successfully transitioned, he has not. I live
> as a woman. He does not.
>
ROFLMAO!
*Successful*!? Lardo?
Well, if success is maintaining lifelong welfare eligibility, then perhaps
yes. Otherwise, clearly not. Lardo is a giant sissy who uses the law to
bully people into calling him "Jennifer". But no-one thinks of him as "a
woman", you can be sure of that.
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Willow
> ROFLMAO!
> *Successful*!? Lardo?
> Well, if success is maintaining lifelong welfare eligibility, then perhaps
> yes. Otherwise, clearly not. Lardo is a giant sissy who uses the law to
> bully people into calling him "Jennifer". But no-one thinks of him as "a
> woman", you can be sure of that.
Too true. His idea of success seems to be rather strange. Perhaps,
as stated before, it is that he has never known better. A single room
in a project for the homeless is grand if your only option is living
on the streets.
W.
Jennifer Usher
> On Oct 27, 10:46 am, fluffybunnie <fluffybun...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>> ROFLMAO!
>> *Successful*!? Lardo?
>> Well, if success is maintaining lifelong welfare eligibility, then
>> perhaps
>> yes. Otherwise, clearly not. Lardo is a giant sissy who uses the law to
>> bully people into calling him "Jennifer". But no-one thinks of him as "a
>> woman", you can be sure of that.
Now this is what I don't understand about idiot trolls. They seem incapable
of actual thought. I mean, everything here is something I have pointed out
about Willy Boy. Goat Boy is just recycling my material. I have seen Willy
Boy do that as well. And, of course, none of it is true, but hey, I can't
remember the last time Goat Boy wasn't lying.
> Too true. His idea of success seems to be rather strange. Perhaps,
> as stated before, it is that he has never known better. A single room
> in a project for the homeless is grand if your only option is living
> on the streets.
ROTFL! It's funny....I have never said my place is "grand." I have said,
it is decent and affordable. Of course, we have to keep in mind, we are
dealing with men here, who approach this from a sense of male privilege. A
decent place that is affordable, that allows me to travel to visit my
daughter and grandchildren, that allows me to have money to induldge my
interest in photography, that allows me to have money to spend when I am out
with friens, that allows me to afford things I do care about, may not be
"grand," but it is quite fine with me. Put another way, I have nothing to
prove.
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Jennifer Usher
fluffybunnie
>
> "Willow" <pang...@telus.net> wrote in message
> news:a98c8f0c-1fed-4622...@h40g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> On Oct 27, 10:46 am, fluffybunnie <fluffybun...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>>> ROFLMAO!
>>> *Successful*!? Lardo?
>>> Well, if success is maintaining lifelong welfare eligibility, then
>>> perhaps
>>> yes. Otherwise, clearly not. Lardo is a giant sissy who uses the law to
>>> bully people into calling him "Jennifer". But no-one thinks of him as "a
>>> woman", you can be sure of that.
>
> Now this is what I don't understand about idiot trolls. They seem incapable
> of actual thought. I mean, everything here is something I have pointed out
> about Willy Boy. Goat Boy is just recycling my material. I have seen Willy
> Boy do that as well.
Actually the fact that you spend so much time projecting your BS onto
others is the most logical explanation. You think you're clever but in
fact you're completely transparent.
> And, of course, none of it is true, but hey, I can't
> remember the last time Goat Boy wasn't lying.
>
>> Too true. His idea of success seems to be rather strange. Perhaps,
>> as stated before, it is that he has never known better. A single room
>> in a project for the homeless is grand if your only option is living
>> on the streets.
>
> ROTFL! It's funny....I have never said my place is "grand."
What's funnier is that she never said you did.
Reading comprehension fail!
> I have said, it is decent and affordable.
>
Not so affordable for the poor taxpayers, nor a bit decent to anyone with
any sense.
> Of course, we have to keep in mind, we are
> dealing with men here, who approach this from a sense of male
> privilege.
>
Who the hell is "we"?
And what on *earth* makes you imagine you can conflate valid
criticisms into a sex/gender issue? Lord, you're such a moron!
> decent place that is affordable,
>
Nope.
> that allows me to travel to visit my
> daughter and grandchildren,
>
Your family actually refuses to see you, and you certainly don't have
a travel budget as you do qualify for that bug-ridden flophouse for
the homeless...
>that allows me to have money to induldge my
> interest in photography, that allows me to have money to spend when I am out
> with friens, that allows me to afford things I do care about, may not be
> "grand," but it is quite fine with me.
Absurd claims from an absurd fat transvestite pretending to be a post-op on usenet.
> Put another way, I have nothing to
> prove.
>
Yes, that is *quite* apparent.
What a totaL idiot you are, Lardo.