Past a joke
b
I mean not just about being offensive to the person targeted but saying
stuff which is just so vile that I can't see how anyone wouldn't be
disgusted?
cat-o-matic
It's not just you.
:(
c-o-m
Sugir
"b" <b...@spamnomore.mcfan.net> wrote in message news:1AJPd.88894$B8.4...@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Is it me but are some of the putdowns here getting past a joke?
Transfan was pretty funny for me, but who the joke is on
is a matter of debate.
>
> I mean not just about being offensive to the person targeted but saying
> stuff which is just so vile that I can't see how anyone wouldn't be
> disgusted?
You live a sheltered life.
Sugir
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Sugir
""E'" <no...@noway.com> wrote in message news:KUJPd.7078$mG6....@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> X-No-Archive: yes
I think most of the problems have to do with the fact that MtF TSs
have a very high probability of having a lousy relationship with their fathers.
How was yours?
Other than the stories that I've heard (which are all like this), there is a clear
dynamic that a (normally) het. father isn't going to readily accept a feminine,
or (horrors) gay son.
Bad relationship with a person's father causes a bad image of men in general.
Not to mention numerous other problems.
Does any of this sound right?
I think it is more: MTF TSs are VERY likely to have problems with men.
I had enough trouble with my own father so I can
relate somewhat. :)
Sugir
"cat-o-matic" <cat-o...@nospamfor.me> wrote in message news:20050213073410.4d7a6a97@rocket88...
I can only assume that the three of you refer to me??? :)
Or at least partially to me? (are there other suspected transfans?)
If so, I will state that when people call me names on Usenet,
impugn my motives, call me a liar, my normal course is to
let my morbid sense of humor out.
Laura has been a total fuckup in every interaction with me,
and I have little care for how offensive I am to her. (although
I will call her by her desired pronoun)
cat, b, E and yoohoo (assuming that is actually 4 different people)
nip at me with the "transfan" shite in every other post, and I'm /here/ trying
hard to deal with a trans. ONE FROM HERE, EVEN.
Not easy, and as I've said, I would never seek out or even
consider another.
When you call me "transfan" it always sounds to me
like you are attempting to flatter yourself.
In every way I'm sympathetic to Jenn's and Jaz' problems, but
I've got problems too. Neither Jenn nor Jaz's transgendered nature is
in any way a plus to me.
If you think calling me idiotic names, and me responding with my
offensive humor is good for this group or Jenn, have at it. :)
cat-o-matic
"\"E'" <no...@noway.com> wrote:
> X-No-Archive: yes
>
> Sugir wrote:
>
> > I think it is more: MTF TSs are VERY likely to have problems with
> > men.
>
> LOL ..... I have an excellent relationship with my current man and have for
> nearly 3 years now....... The point being he is a *man*, not a male who
> wants a "woman" with a dick.
>
>
I don't have problems with men who know how to behave themselves.
So much for that theory.
:)
c-o-m
diane...@yahoo.com
> In every way I'm sympathetic to Jenn's and Jaz' problems, but
> I've got problems too. Neither Jenn nor Jaz's transgendered nature
is
> in any way a plus to me.
> Sugir
You know, you seem nice enough and respectful towards people (except
Lyle...but that's normal enough) so personally I don't care where you
spent your Usenet time. Don't care if a person is or is not a transfan
as long as they act civilly.
But I do persionally think that you are fooling yourself (but not us
<g> )when you say that your motivation for being here is just to learn
and not to look for a TG/TS woman. I can't possibly think of any
other motivation for a non-TG male to hang out in an area where there
are mostly) TG women (very few TSs hang out here in reality). The "I
want to learn" explanation is ...well just not at all credible IMHO,
especially in light of the fact that you hooked up with a TS woman who
posts here within the first couple of weeks of your being here.
Oh well..... considering te Lyles and the Bills and the Toms and the
Marks who haunt this place, even a civil transfan is a step up.
Sugir
""E'" <no...@noway.com> wrote in message news:WxLPd.601$W%5....@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> X-No-Archive: yes
>
> Sugir wrote:
>
>> I think it is more: MTF TSs are VERY likely to have problems with
>> men.
>
LOL.... How about your father?
3 years? But these were all post-op, (Jenn thought)
No dick, doesn't count.
For many stories I've heard there is a 20 year marriage
and kids, mainly as a way to escape **FATHER**.
(I don't think it's your story, but it is a blindingly common one.)
> The point being he is a *man*, not a male who wants a "woman" with a dick.
I think I hit the head on the point. :)
Are you trying to tell me that any statistical number of
serious, future MtF TS's have a good relationship
with their father in early life?
Not saying it doesn't happen, but it isn't anything like the norm,
or at least that is what I postulate/observe.
Sugir
<diane...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1108315757.5...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> Sugir wrote:
>
>> In every way I'm sympathetic to Jenn's and Jaz' problems, but
>> I've got problems too. Neither Jenn nor Jaz's transgendered nature
> is
>> in any way a plus to me.
>> Sugir
>
> You know, you seem nice enough and respectful towards people (except
> Lyle...but that's normal enough) so personally I don't care where you
> spent your Usenet time. Don't care if a person is or is not a transfan
> as long as they act civilly.
I strive more for a sardonic, but as long as people don't strike first
I'm usually a pussy cat. :)
>
>
> But I do persionally think that you are fooling yourself (but not us
> <g> )when you say that your motivation for being here is just to learn
> and not to look for a TG/TS woman. I can't possibly think of any
> other motivation for a non-TG male to hang out in an area where there
> are mostly) TG women (very few TSs hang out here in reality). The "I
> want to learn" explanation is ...well just not at all credible IMHO,
> especially in light of the fact that you hooked up with a TS woman who
> posts here within the first couple of weeks of your being here.
It was more from her than myself.
Once aain:
Originally, (on New Year's) a TG answered an ad where
I had checked the TG box. Last time that will happen.
Your logic is flawed.
I'm disabled, and sexually, fairly dysfunctional.
I placed an ad for help in exchange for a room
on a BDSM dating site.
A TG applied. (Jazlinn)
If I could rewind it, I would not check the TG box.
You are supposed to be Jenn's friend? So what now???
All of her friends think I'm with her for her dick?
....and you won't listen to her tell you otherwise?
If you understood my disability/sexuality, it might be
clearer, but you don't want to hear about how a life of
real physical pain and disability makes /little/ things like
dicks secondary.
You seem nice, but what can I say?
I suggest you talk to Jenn on the phone, and then come
back to apologize.
Or not. :)
>
> Oh well..... considering te Lyles and the Bills and the Toms and the
> Marks who haunt this place, even a civil transfan is a step up.
Stop it! :)
Jennifer Usher
> They were never meant as a joke. Lonely old "male/women" and transfans
have
> difficulty interacting with women.
Well, I agree about the "male/women"...
--
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
> LOL ..... I have an excellent relationship with my current man and have
for
> nearly 3 years now....... The point being he is a *man*, not a male who
> wants a "woman" with a dick.
There is a difference between wanting, and waiting... Really, I do wish you
would at least open your mind to the possibility that you might be wrong.
--
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
> I don't have problems with men who know how to behave themselves.
> So much for that theory.
Tell me honestly...does your concept of "knowing how to behave themselves"
mean "not having feelings and getting rather upset when they are falsely
accused?"
--
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
"Sugir" <Su...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:420f8f38$1...@127.0.0.1...
> > LOL ..... I have an excellent relationship with my current man and have
for nearly 3 years now.......
>
> LOL.... How about your father?
Good question.
> 3 years? But these were all post-op, (Jenn thought)
>
> No dick, doesn't count.
>
> For many stories I've heard there is a 20 year marriage
> and kids, mainly as a way to escape **FATHER**.
Yes, that does sound familiar.
> (I don't think it's your story, but it is a blindingly common one.)
>
> > The point being he is a *man*, not a male who wants a "woman" with a
dick.
>
> I think I hit the head on the point. :)
>
> Are you trying to tell me that any statistical number of
> serious, future MtF TS's have a good relationship
> with their father in early life?
Not in my experience.
> Not saying it doesn't happen, but it isn't anything like the norm,
> or at least that is what I postulate/observe.
It is what I observe also. Of course the Freudians try to blame our being
transsexual on it, when it is obvious that it is a result of our being
transsexual.
--
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
> Of course. I never had a relationship with a male when I was still preop.
Ah, I see. And I can understand that. But I got a bit lonely. And I
wanted some romance in my life. I mean, I wasted 21 years of my life being
married to a woman that I was not really sexually attracted to. I didn't
really understand why, but it is one of the things I worked out when I
transitioned.
> > No dick, doesn't count.
>
> Would you like me to repost the one where you were commenting on how
> "beautiful" Jasmill's penis was?
>
> > For many stories I've heard there is a 20 year marriage
> > and kids, mainly as a way to escape **FATHER**.
> >
> > (I don't think it's your story, but it is a blindingly common one.)
> >
> >> The point being he is a *man*, not a male who wants a "woman" with a
> >> dick.
> >
> > I think I hit the head on the point. :)
> >
> > Are you trying to tell me that any statistical number of
> > serious, future MtF TS's have a good relationship
> > with their father in early life?
>
> Jennifer is the only one I've ever heard say that. (numerous times)
Really? Perhaps I am the only one willing to admit to it. I have heard a
lot of transsexuals say it.
> > Not saying it doesn't happen, but it isn't anything like the norm,
> > or at least that is what I postulate/observe.
>
> You know nothing.
I think he knows more than some are willing to admit.
--
Jennifer Usher
Sugir
""E'" <no...@noway.com> wrote in message news:3eMPd.7162$mG6...@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> X-No-Archive: yes
>>>
>>>> I think it is more: MTF TSs are VERY likely to have problems with
>>>> men.
>>>
>>> LOL ..... I have an excellent relationship with my current man and
>>> have for nearly 3 years now.......
>>
>> LOL.... How about your father?
>>
>> 3 years? But these were all post-op, (Jenn thought)
>
Then your opinion seems rather valueless.
>
>> No dick, doesn't count.
>
> Would you like me to repost the one where you were commenting on how "beautiful" Jasmill's penis was?
Why should I care. It is beautiful.
What is the problem?
I mentioned it mostly because I'm jealous of it,
and have major issues with my girlfriend having
a bigger cock than I do.
In addition, I think it's ironic that with such a beautiful
dick, Jazlinn is totally ashamed of it, wants to hide it.
She also wants to star in videos, so I suspect she will
need to overcome issues with her penis, since
in /those/ videos, the penis is essential.
Is that hard to understand?
>
>> For many stories I've heard there is a 20 year marriage
>> and kids, mainly as a way to escape **FATHER**.
>>
>> (I don't think it's your story, but it is a blindingly common one.)
>>
>>> The point being he is a *man*, not a male who wants a "woman" with a
>>> dick.
>>
>> I think I hit the head on the point. :)
>>
>> Are you trying to tell me that any statistical number of
>> serious, future MtF TS's have a good relationship
>> with their father in early life?
>
> Jennifer is the only one I've ever heard say that. (numerous times)
Not me.
>
>> Not saying it doesn't happen, but it isn't anything like the norm,
>> or at least that is what I postulate/observe.
>
> You know nothing.
You certainly aren't refuting me.
I've heard you are old. Why so long with no male relationships?
And you never answered RE, your own father?
Jennifer Usher
> I can only assume that the three of you refer to me??? :)
>
> Or at least partially to me? (are there other suspected transfans?)
>
> If so, I will state that when people call me names on Usenet,
> impugn my motives, call me a liar, my normal course is to
> let my morbid sense of humor out.
Seems reasonable to me. Of course, they don't know what we are saying to
each other as we sit here and type.
> Laura has been a total fuckup in every interaction with me,
> and I have little care for how offensive I am to her. (although
> I will call her by her desired pronoun)
Okay...
> cat, b, E and yoohoo (assuming that is actually 4 different people)
> nip at me with the "transfan" shite in every other post, and I'm /here/
trying
> hard to deal with a trans. ONE FROM HERE, EVEN.
> Not easy, and as I've said, I would never seek out or even
> consider another.
This is the bottom line. Sugir really did come here to learn. He really is
trying to get a second perspective in addition to what I have told him. He
is not, and never has been, a transfan. Really, believe me, I know. He is
caring enough to deal with my current situation, and I love him for that. I
understand where people are coming from, and I also understand that I am
very lucky. I WILL have my surgery soon, and neither Sugir, nor I, will
miss my penis.
> When you call me "transfan" it always sounds to me
> like you are attempting to flatter yourself.
It is that way to a degree.
> In every way I'm sympathetic to Jenn's and Jaz' problems, but
> I've got problems too. Neither Jenn nor Jaz's transgendered nature is
> in any way a plus to me.
Exactly. Sugir is being very honest here. It is not a plus at all. Let's
just say that we both had needs, and we found each other. But Sugir's needs
were not a penis, and mine were not someone who desired my penis. I got
lucky, again. For most of my life, I felt that nothing ever went right.
Then after I transitioned, things got better, but then Carl and I split up.
I felt that the improvement had ended, and that things were back to normal.
Then I moved to San Francisco. It has been uphill ever since. I know
things could change again, but for the moment, it looks like my life is
finally on track. It is like I am on a lucky streak, but then I don't
believe in luck. I have a fantastic job, and a fantastic lover. In keeping
with Mona's Law, I have a horrible apartment. <g> But even that may change
soon.
> If you think calling me idiotic names, and me responding with my
> offensive humor is good for this group or Jenn, have at it. :)
Well, Sugir, it doesn't make me happy at all, but I don't give them an
creedence.
--
Jennifer Usher
diane...@yahoo.com
Sugir wrote:
> If I could rewind it, I would not check the TG box.
I don't believe you. I do believe that you are being disingenuous -
perhaps you are fooling yourself as well?
> You are supposed to be Jenn's friend? So what now???
> All of her friends think I'm with her for her dick?
Most of the post-ops here probably do.
Myself included though I would have phrased it differently.
> ....and you won't listen to her tell you otherwise?
My experience is longer and more detailed then Jennifer's and though it
is *my* experience and not Jenn's it does seem to align with those of
the other post-ops that I have known as well as those who post here.
> If you understood my disability/sexuality, it might be
> clearer, but you don't want to hear about how a life of
> real physical pain and disability makes /little/ things like
> dicks secondary.
I don't doubt that at all .
But I also do not doubt that you are here because you are looking to
hook up with a TG person, as you already had done with this Jazz
person.
> You seem nice, but what can I say?
> I suggest you talk to Jenn on the phone, and then come
> back to apologize.
My relationship with Jenn has nothing at all to do with you or what I
feel about you or your motivations. My relationship with Jenn is
entirely seperate from my relationship with you. And I must say that
your repeated attempt to equae the two are a particularly obvious and
extremely inneffective form of control. :)
I know why you are here and so do the other experienced women here -
even if you choose to not admit the obvious to yourself.
Jennifer Usher
> You know, you seem nice enough and respectful towards people (except
> Lyle...but that's normal enough) so personally I don't care where you
> spent your Usenet time. Don't care if a person is or is not a transfan
> as long as they act civilly.
Yes, my Sugir is very nice. When you get a chance to meet him, you will see
that. And yes, he saw right through Lyle very early on.
> But I do persionally think that you are fooling yourself (but not us
> <g> )when you say that your motivation for being here is just to learn
> and not to look for a TG/TS woman. I can't possibly think of any
> other motivation for a non-TG male to hang out in an area where there
> are mostly) TG women (very few TSs hang out here in reality). The "I
> want to learn" explanation is ...well just not at all credible IMHO,
> especially in light of the fact that you hooked up with a TS woman who
> posts here within the first couple of weeks of your being here.
When I get a chance, I will call and we can discuss some things that I would
rather not in this forum. No, he really isn't a trans fan. Ours is a
rather unusual circumstance, where neither of us was actively looking and
yet we found each other. His story really is true, and he really was just
looking to learn. Now, well he is having fun with some people who treated
him rather poorly. We met because he was posting to
soc.support.transgender, when I was not even reading until Cecilia Chung
asked me to join the group again. He was looking for information to help
someone he had met. I was actually responding more as part of my work, than
anything else. When I realized that they might be in the Bay Area, I
contacted him by email. Things just went from there. He was not looking to
hook up, and it started when I casually mentioned that I was looking for a
LTR relationship. He can see past my shortcoming, and I really love him for
that. Let's just say that he cares for me in spite of it, not because of
it.
> Oh well..... considering te Lyles and the Bills and the Toms and the
> Marks who haunt this place, even a civil transfan is a step up.
Well, he is civil, but not a transfan.
--
Jennifer Usher
Sugir
<diane...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1108324490.6...@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Sugir wrote:
>
>> If I could rewind it, I would not check the TG box.
>
> I don't believe you.
I unchecked it weeks ago, Fuck you very much.
> I do believe that you are being disingenuous -
> perhaps you are fooling yourself as well?
Only in thinking that you might be something other
than the fuckup that you continue to show yourself as.
>
>> You are supposed to be Jenn's friend? So what now???
>> All of her friends think I'm with her for her dick?
>
> Most of the post-ops here probably do.
> Myself included though I would have phrased it differently.
Perhaps it won't work then.
>
>> ....and you won't listen to her tell you otherwise?
>
> My experience is longer and more detailed then Jennifer's and though it
> is *my* experience and not Jenn's it does seem to align with those of
> the other post-ops that I have known as well as those who post here.
You are a moron, hon.
>
>
>> If you understood my disability/sexuality, it might be
>> clearer, but you don't want to hear about how a life of
>> real physical pain and disability makes /little/ things like
>> dicks secondary.
>
> I don't doubt that at all .
> But I also do not doubt that you are here because you are looking to
> hook up with a TG person, as you already had done with this Jazz
> person.
Suck my dick, hon.
>
>> You seem nice, but what can I say?
>> I suggest you talk to Jenn on the phone, and then come
>> back to apologize.
>
> My relationship with Jenn has nothing at all to do with you or what I
> feel about you or your motivations. My relationship with Jenn is
> entirely seperate from my relationship with you. And I must say that
> your repeated attempt to equae the two are a particularly obvious and
> extremely inneffective form of control. :)
I was trying to say I was being polite to a fuckup because
she was Jenn's friend.
But clearly you are beyond that, hon.
>
> I know why you are here and so do the other experienced women here -
> even if you choose to not admit the obvious to yourself.
There are a few women here with a brain, but you ain't one, hon.
Sugir
"Jennifer Usher" <jenni...@hotpop.com> wrote in message news:420fba96$1...@127.0.0.1...
>
> <diane...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1108315757.5...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>
>> You know, you seem nice enough and respectful towards people (except
>> Lyle...but that's normal enough) so personally I don't care where you
>> spent your Usenet time. Don't care if a person is or is not a transfan
>> as long as they act civilly.
>
> Yes, my Sugir is very nice. When you get a chance to meet him, you will see
> that. And yes, he saw right through Lyle very early on.
At least. :)
Only as in not criminal. :)
Sugir
Jennifer Usher
> I strive more for a sardonic, but as long as people don't strike first
> I'm usually a pussy cat. :)
True...
> It was more from her than myself.
True...
> Once aain:
> Originally, (on New Year's) a TG answered an ad where
> I had checked the TG box. Last time that will happen.
Also true.
> Your logic is flawed.
>
> I'm disabled, and sexually, fairly dysfunctional.
> I placed an ad for help in exchange for a room
> on a BDSM dating site.
>
> A TG applied. (Jazlinn)
>
> If I could rewind it, I would not check the TG box.
>
> You are supposed to be Jenn's friend? So what now???
> All of her friends think I'm with her for her dick?
> ....and you won't listen to her tell you otherwise?
Well put. As I have said a number of times, I have dated a few transfans.
I don't care for it. Not at all.
> If you understood my disability/sexuality, it might be
> clearer, but you don't want to hear about how a life of
> real physical pain and disability makes /little/ things like
> dicks secondary.
As I have said, I am lucky. I honestly care about Sugir as a person, and he
cares about me. Two lonely people who found each other, and who have found
that they click. I revealed a need, just as a matter of conversation, and
he responded. We got to know each other, he wrote me a poem, we grew fond
of each other, and now we have a relationship. We both needed someone, and
we work for each other. I will have my surgery, irregardless of some
people's idiotic rants, and I will have someone there to take care of me.
> You seem nice, but what can I say?
> I suggest you talk to Jenn on the phone, and then come
> back to apologize.
I really do need to call Diane. I just haven't found the time.
> Or not. :)
>
>
>>
>> Oh well..... considering te Lyles and the Bills and the Toms and the
>> Marks who haunt this place, even a civil transfan is a step up.
>
> Stop it! :)
Please don't call him a transfan. He really isn't, and the accusation
really does hurt him deeply. I mean, good grief, here is a guy who sees me
as a woman, who is willing to look beyond my penis, and everyone is trashing
him as some sort of sicko. People here ought to be ashamed. People like my
Sugir are rare, but not nonexistent. To say they are, is to say that we are
not really women.
--
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
"L D Blake" <n...@any.adr> wrote in message
news:rhvu01l2k1e25f8b5...@4ax.com...
> The "joke" line was crossed 14 years ago when Lask got me booted off
> FidoNet.
That wasn't a joke. That was just a preview of your future.
--
Jennifer Usher
buena...@yahoo.ca
diane...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Sugir wrote:
>
> > If I could rewind it, I would not check the TG box.
>
> I don't believe you. I do believe that you are being disingenuous -
> perhaps you are fooling yourself as well?
Hi sweetie,
The first actual post that "Jazlinn's Sir", aka "Sugir" aka "Tom"
made, was put in SST, under the topic *Intro posting*. (He may have
pulled the original) I personally didn't see it and was warned by a
few others about the legitimacy of that person. In case you hadn't
read it, you may get an altogether different perspective from it. It
was not a very good first impression we got, and at best, it showed
fairly specifically what he was looking for. He has altered his story
since. Seems like another unwelcomed male intrusion thing to me, but
then "what do I know?" As far as Jennifer goes, that is her business
what she does, although trying to convince everyone that crap is
actually chocolate pudding is really very hard to swallow. He has done
nothing but insult those who don't cozy-up to him.
take care :)
j
> Hi,
> I'm a 52 yo male who has just
> aquired a 23 yo very lithe,
> sexy and srs bound sissy sub. (see attached)
> (hope photos are OK here?)
> I have been interested in kink for decades
> but little direct experience with transgender.
> (but long time interest, now look what Santa left)
> <GRIN>
> My sub slut is so young, and had such
> a youth that s.he has little experience
> but very intense desire to be female.
> So we will no doubt have some questions.
> Hope you can help. :)
> ...plus someone might join us,
> since we will have a guest/play room.
> Anyway, assuming anyone is interested my first question
> is "anal orgasms".
> Jazlinn (my slut) has for some time been totally shunning
> he.r cock in favor of masturbating anally.
> S.he has been taken with a strap on by a previous girlfriend
> many times, and had only anal orgasms
> Anyway... Anal orgasms seem to be all my little girl really desires.
:)
> (which I think is about as hot as it gets.. but hey..)
> S.he is pre-hormone, but ordered.
> Will the anal orgasms decrease with hormones?
> Are anal orgasms common?
> Will he.r desire for anal sex decrease on hormones?
> Thanks,
> Jaz's Sir
diane...@yahoo.com
buena...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> Hi sweetie,
>
> The first actual post that "Jazlinn's Sir", aka "Sugir" aka "Tom"
> made, was put in SST, under the topic *Intro posting*. (He may have
> pulled the original) I personally didn't see it and was warned by a
> few others about the legitimacy of that person. .....
Thanks for the background :) . You sound like someone that I know ;) .
At any rate I am unremarkably unsurprised. It would be nice if we were
all honest with each other (as well as ourselves) but I suppose that if
such were the case people would have no need to seek out places such as
these.
Jennifer Usher
<diane...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108324490.6...@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> I don't believe you. I do believe that you are being disingenuous -
> perhaps you are fooling yourself as well?
No, I think he is telling the truth.
> Most of the post-ops here probably do.
Now that bothers me. I plan to be post-op soon, and I would hope that I
don't become that retrospectively self-loathing. I have long felt that
there were some men who could accept a pre-op without being a transfan. I
dated one such guy...our relationship consisted entirely of going out to the
movies, and talking on the phone. I think, in his mind, he thought about
maybe going further after my SRS, but I got tired of waiting without being
sure. In truth, I never understood what he saw in me. But Sugir is
different. For whatever reason, it works. And it is in spite of my penis,
not because of it.
No Diane, I see myself as a woman, a woman in need of correction of physical
shortcoming, but still a woman. I won't date a man who does not see me as
such. I'll be honest, I was beginning to wonder if I would find such a man.
I dated transfans...most of who lied about how they felt. The last one told
me on the second date that he wanted us to be lesbian lovers, though he had
no desire to actually transition. Sugir is wonderful, he is not a transfan,
and we are having a lovely relationship.
> Myself included though I would have phrased it differently.
Perhaps you would have. Still, I can say more in private.
>> ....and you won't listen to her tell you otherwise?
>
> My experience is longer and more detailed then Jennifer's and though it
> is *my* experience and not Jenn's it does seem to align with those of
> the other post-ops that I have known as well as those who post here.
Diane, my short experience does also. There are way too many transfans out
there. I don't care for them. Yeah, I'm the incurable romantic who kept
looking in spite of the odds. I know one post-op who tells the new people,
"Hey, you have to settle for what you can get. After all, you are ONLY a
transgender." Wow, what a great way to boost self-esteem. Not! Is my
story typical? Nope. I got lucky. I knew what I wanted, and I finally
found it.
> I don't doubt that at all .
It does make a difference.
> But I also do not doubt that you are here because you are looking to
> hook up with a TG person, as you already had done with this Jazz
> person.
Diane, he was here while he was with Jazzlin. He really was looking for
help. For example, I talked her out of starting hormones without seeing a
doctor. And she had the hormones there with her. That is what Sugir
wanted. For me to advise a young transsexual who was barely starting
transition. He was trying to help her. She sort of dumped on him, and
left. Then we got to know each other. Neither of us saw this coming, but
it did.
>> You seem nice, but what can I say?
>> I suggest you talk to Jenn on the phone, and then come
>> back to apologize.
>
> My relationship with Jenn has nothing at all to do with you or what I
> feel about you or your motivations. My relationship with Jenn is
> entirely seperate from my relationship with you. And I must say that
> your repeated attempt to equae the two are a particularly obvious and
> extremely inneffective form of control. :)
Well, the way he put it to me was, "How can she know you, and what you look
like, and think someone might not want you just as a woman?" He knows you
are my friend, that we have met, and he feels that you ought to understand
that someone might not see me as anything but a woman.
> I know why you are here and so do the other experienced women here -
> even if you choose to not admit the obvious to yourself.
The obvious, in this case, is imaginary.
--
Jennifer Usher
diane...@yahoo.com
Jennifer Usher wrote:
> <diane...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> No, I think he is telling the truth.
>
> > Most of the post-ops here probably do.
>
> Now that bothers me. I plan to be post-op soon, and I would hope
that I
> don't become that retrospectively self-loathing.
It has nothing to do with self-loathng and everything to do with
experience, Jenn.
> I have long felt that
> there were some men who could accept a pre-op without being a
transfan.
There are. Such men do *not* hang out in places like these.
Pretty much Ever.
> Diane, he was here while he was with Jazzlin.
The posts that I was referred to indicate that he is looking
specificaly for a CWD.... though I believe that he may have great
difficulty accepting this or admitting this to himself, which is a
generous interpretation of the possibilities.
> He knows you
> are my friend, that we have met, and he feels that you ought to
understand
> that someone might not see me as anything but a woman.
This has nothing to do with you. It has to do with the experiences of
others with regard to men who behave in certain ways. It has nothing
to do with you. Anyone attempting to confuse those two issues has,
imho, an agenda for doing so.
> > I know why you are here and so do the other experienced women here
-
> > even if you choose to not admit the obvious to yourself.
>
> The obvious, in this case, is imaginary.
Time will tell then. It always does.
Sugir
"L D Blake" <n...@any.adr> wrote in message news:j4ev019perjn7s5gd...@4ax.com...
> On 13 Feb 2005 11:54:50 -0800, diane...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>I know why you are here and so do the other experienced women here -
>>even if you choose to not admit the obvious to yourself.
>
> Never forget this... Fuckwit knows *everything*. Even the stuff she
> imagines, she is absolutely certain of. She's never wrong and she will
> spend DECADES harassing you about it... online and IN REAL LIFE.
Seems doubtful, since she is wrong.
Even if I was a transfan, her whines are irrelevant.
>
> Motherfucker's cost me a small fortune in legal feed defending myself
> against her constant onslaught of false accusations and defamations. Looks
> like she's setting her sights on you... believe me, you won't like it.
Ummmmmm.... see above.
>
> Lask is probably the single most fucked up person ever to hit Usenet. Over
> 20,000 hate filled messages, more than 30 "identities", some of the worst
> lies ever told, police assisted harassment, online and offline stalking and
> lots and lots of people who'd probably love to pop her one...
Honestly, hon... Only 20,000 (how long)? Only 30 Ids?
How cute. :)
>
> In fact, I keep hoping someone does blow her away. It would be interesting
> to see how many "people" vanish from this newsgroup...
Probably me. :)
Sugir
>
>
>
> =====
> Laura
cat-o-matic
buena...@yahoo.ca wrote:
Ah, I missed that one.
:)
Here's the link to the entire thread in google's archive
in case he tries to claim you made this up:
c-o-m
Sugir
"L D Blake" <n...@any.adr> wrote in message news:b3fv01pfe3ipdd2ij...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:42:32 -0800, "Jennifer Usher" <jenni...@hotpop.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Yes, my Sugir is very nice. When you get a chance to meet him, you will see
>>that. And yes, he saw right through Lyle very early on.
>
Which one?
:)
Sugir
>
>
> =====
> Laura
Jennifer Usher
"L D Blake" <n...@any.adr> wrote in message
> Never forget this... Fuckwit knows *everything*. Even the stuff she
> imagines, she is absolutely certain of. She's never wrong and she will
> spend DECADES harassing you about it... online and IN REAL LIFE.
This from an idiot who has shown he knows as little about programming as he
does about transsexuals.
> Motherfucker's cost me a small fortune in legal feed defending myself
> against her constant onslaught of false accusations and defamations.
> Looks
> like she's setting her sights on you... believe me, you won't like it.
Lyle, I seriously doubt there is any truth to that claim, and I have to say
that I wish it were. First off, of course, you don't have a small fortune.
Second, you clearly have made up a bunch of stuff over the years.
> Lask is probably the single most fucked up person ever to hit Usenet.
> Over
> 20,000 hate filled messages, more than 30 "identities", some of the worst
> lies ever told, police assisted harassment, online and offline stalking
> and
> lots and lots of people who'd probably love to pop her one...
Sugir, you have to understand that Lyle likes big numbers. It is alway
10,000 or 20,000 or such. Now, Diane did report Lyle after he threatened to
come after her with is Glock. I can't say that I blamed her for calling the
Mounties in.
> In fact, I keep hoping someone does blow her away. It would be
> interesting
> to see how many "people" vanish from this newsgroup...
Why, you would be the primary suspect, and would be the first to vanish.
Remember, we have the death penalty here....
--
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
"L D Blake" <n...@any.adr> wrote in message
>>Yes, my Sugir is very nice. When you get a chance to meet him, you will
>>see
>>that. And yes, he saw right through Lyle very early on.
>
> Right... Asshole's playing along with you so he can get fucked tonight.
Lyle, you wouldn't believe the laughs we have had over the stupidity that
you have posted here today.
--
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
>> Yes, my Sugir is very nice. When you get a chance to meet him, you will
>> see
>> that. And yes, he saw right through Lyle very early on.
>
> At least. :)
Very true.
>> Well, he is civil, but not a transfan.
>
> Only as in not criminal. :)
Very true...
--
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
<diane...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108330305.6...@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Well, I missed that first post, and I admit I would not have been impressed
by it either. But in truth, it reflects his BDSM background (which yes, I
am aware of) more than anything. He has learned a bit since then.
--
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
>> I'm a 52 yo male who has just
>> aquired a 23 yo very lithe,
>> sexy and srs bound sissy sub. (see attached)
>> (hope photos are OK here?)
Hmmm, SRS bound? Not transfan material....
>> I have been interested in kink for decades
>> but little direct experience with transgender.
>> (but long time interest, now look what Santa left)
>> <GRIN>
He was interested, but not looking.
>> My sub slut is so young, and had such
>> a youth that s.he has little experience
>> but very intense desire to be female.
In another words, she is a transsexual, not transgender.
>> So we will no doubt have some questions.
>> Hope you can help.
>> ...plus someone might join us,
>> since we will have a guest/play room.
>
>
>> Anyway, assuming anyone is interested my first question
>> is "anal orgasms".
>
>
>> Jazlinn (my slut) has for some time been totally shunning
>> he.r cock in favor of masturbating anally.
As do many transsexuals.
>> S.he has been taken with a strap on by a previous girlfriend
>> many times, and had only anal orgasms
Jazzlin was more creative than I am.
>> Anyway... Anal orgasms seem to be all my little girl really desires.
>> (which I think is about as hot as it gets.. but hey..)
He doesn't seem to be that interested in her penis either.
>> S.he is pre-hormone, but ordered.
>
>
>> Will the anal orgasms decrease with hormones?
>
>
>> Are anal orgasms common?
>
>
>> Will he.r desire for anal sex decrease on hormones?
>
>
>> Thanks,
>> Jaz's Sir
Okay, he comes across as a bit sexist, though he does not do that way with
me. But then I am 50, not 23. But that is hardly the words of a transfan.
Not by the very definitions that have been bandied about here.
--
Jennifer Usher
Sugir
<buena...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message news:1108329902.4...@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> diane...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> Sugir wrote:
>>
>> > If I could rewind it, I would not check the TG box.
>>
>> I don't believe you. I do believe that you are being disingenuous -
>> perhaps you are fooling yourself as well?
>
>
> Hi sweetie,
>
> The first actual post that "Jazlinn's Sir", aka "Sugir" aka "Tom"
> made, was put in SST, under the topic *Intro posting*. (He may have
> pulled the original)
Why should I? But Google doesn't record it since it had
an image in it. My bad, but big deal. Won't happen again.
> I personally didn't see it and was warned by a
> few others about the legitimacy of that person.
There was nothing illegitimate.
> In case you hadn't
> read it, you may get an altogether different perspective from it. It
> was not a very good first impression we got, and at best, it showed
> fairly specifically what he was looking for.
I was looking for info on Jazlinn, originally.
> He has altered his story
> since.
And my SO, <doh>.
> Seems like another unwelcomed male intrusion thing to me, but
> then "what do I know?"
Who cares?
Change the charter or whine about it and disrupt the newsgroup
like a number of other morons.
> As far as Jennifer goes, that is her business
> what she does, although trying to convince everyone that crap is
> actually chocolate pudding is really very hard to swallow. He has done
> nothing but insult those who don't cozy-up to him.
Like I'm supposed to suck up to you?
Sugir
Jennifer Usher
<diane...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108332192.4...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> It has nothing to do with self-loathng and everything to do with
> experience, Jenn.
Well, I am the one experiencing my Sugir, and I know he is not a transfan.
As I said, I have been there, done that, and have the cheap comb to prove
it.
> There are. Such men do *not* hang out in places like these.
> Pretty much Ever.
Okay, let me see if I can clear this up. He came in s.s.t. looking for some
serious information. His first post was not very well worded, and he
probably thought that was what was expected. Remember, he does have a BDSM
background. He found some help, and stayed to discuss some issues. He got
attacked, and he stayed more out of a desire to clear up the mess than
anything. Now he is just having fun tweaking some noses. And he stays in
part because I am here. For example, he went ballistic when Arune posted my
picture.
>> Diane, he was here while he was with Jazzlin.
>
> The posts that I was referred to indicate that he is looking
> specificaly for a CWD.... though I believe that he may have great
> difficulty accepting this or admitting this to himself, which is a
> generous interpretation of the possibilities.
Nope, he had someone he had sought to do some cleaning and such. Jazzlin
answered his ad, and thought she might like the job. He came here looking
for info. She took off, and went back to SF, and he and I got to know each
other in email. He did not seek me, and I was the one who made the first
move, albeit not necessarily looking for anything. I did think he was nice
to try to help Jazzlin out, so I was open to him.
>> He knows you
>> are my friend, that we have met, and he feels that you ought to
> understand
>> that someone might not see me as anything but a woman.
>
> This has nothing to do with you. It has to do with the experiences of
> others with regard to men who behave in certain ways. It has nothing
> to do with you. Anyone attempting to confuse those two issues has,
> imho, an agenda for doing so.
Diane, I know you and others have had bad experiences with transfans. So
have I. Trust me, if he was, I wouldn't have anything to do with him.
> Time will tell then. It always does.
Yes, it will.
--
Jennifer Usher
Sugir
>
> Jennifer Usher wrote:
>> Sugir is wonderful, he is not a transfan, and we are having a lovely
>> relationship.
Thanks E, Google doesn't save them that have pictures. :)
>
> > Hi,
>
>> I'm a 52 yo male who has just
>> aquired a 23 yo very lithe,
>> sexy and srs bound sissy sub. (see attached)
>> (hope photos are OK here?)
>
>
>> I have been interested in kink for decades
>> but little direct experience with transgender.
>> (but long time interest, now look what Santa left)
>> <GRIN>
I'm charming, eh?
>
>
>> My sub slut is so young, and had such
>> a youth that s.he has little experience
>> but very intense desire to be female.
So true.
>
>
>> So we will no doubt have some questions.
>> Hope you can help.
>> ...plus someone might join us,
>> since we will have a guest/play room.
No responses yet, on this.
Jenn is more limited on this front than Jaz.
>
>
>> Anyway, assuming anyone is interested my first question
>> is "anal orgasms".
I got some answers on this. Thx!
>
>
>> Jazlinn (my slut) has for some time been totally shunning
>> he.r cock in favor of masturbating anally.
A real concern, eh? Weird if you ask me, but hey,
I'm new to this, but apparently so are most of you.
>
>
>> S.he has been taken with a strap on by a previous girlfriend
>> many times, and had only anal orgasms
Gotta hand it to TGs for some kinky stories.
I never thought of this one.
>
>
>> Anyway... Anal orgasms seem to be all my little girl really desires.
>> (which I think is about as hot as it gets.. but hey..)
>
>
>> S.he is pre-hormone, but ordered.
>
>
>> Will the anal orgasms decrease with hormones?
Likely, but not conclusive.
>> Are anal orgasms common?
No, but happen.
>> Will he.r desire for anal sex decrease on hormones?
Probably not, but I never had anal sex with Jaz.
>
>
>> Thanks,
>> Jaz's Sir
You were very polite, sir!
Sugir
diane...@yahoo.com
Jennifer Usher wrote:
> Okay, let me see if I can clear this up. ..........
Whatever....
Sugir
<diane...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1108332192.4...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>
> Jennifer Usher wrote:
>> <diane...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
>> No, I think he is telling the truth.
>>
>> > Most of the post-ops here probably do.
>>
>> Now that bothers me. I plan to be post-op soon, and I would hope
> that I
>> don't become that retrospectively self-loathing.
>
> It has nothing to do with self-loathng and everything to do with
> experience, Jenn.
You seem a total head-job during your preop period, no?
How is it that you think you know so much about preop
if you were a nutcase thru it?
>
>
>> I have long felt that
>> there were some men who could accept a pre-op without being a
> transfan.
>
> There are. Such men do *not* hang out in places like these.
> Pretty much Ever.
I like several posters here very much.
(just as friends :)
>
>
>> Diane, he was here while he was with Jazzlin.
>
> The posts that I was referred to indicate that he is looking
> specificaly for a CWD.... though I believe that he may have great
> difficulty accepting this or admitting this to himself, which is a
> generous interpretation of the possibilities.
I was being more generous at the time.
>
>
>> He knows you
>> are my friend, that we have met, and he feels that you ought to
> understand
>> that someone might not see me as anything but a woman.
>
> This has nothing to do with you. It has to do with the experiences of
> others with regard to men who behave in certain ways.
Yes!!!! Exactly....
Like your father, right?
It is YOU that has the problem with men.
That's why you have a problem with Blake, right?
> It has nothing
> to do with you. Anyone attempting to confuse those two issues has,
> imho, an agenda for doing so.
It has everything to do with Jenn,
and the way you spit in her face.
>
>> > I know why you are here and so do the other experienced women here
> -
>> > even if you choose to not admit the obvious to yourself.
>>
>> The obvious, in this case, is imaginary.
>
> Time will tell then. It always does.
Not at the edge of a black hole.
Sugir
"Jennifer Usher" <jenni...@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:37a4b1F...@individual.net...
Yes. My BDSM background will help in loosening up
the TG community.
It is clear I have a lot I can offer here.
Sugir
>
> --
> Jennifer Usher
Sugir
<diane...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1108339401.6...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>
> Jennifer Usher wrote:
>
>> Okay, let me see if I can clear this up. ..........
>
> Whatever....
Spit's cheap, isn't it?
Sugir
diane...@yahoo.com
> Yes!!!! Exactly....
> Like your father, right?
> It is YOU that has the problem with men.
> That's why you have a problem with Blake, right?
Here's a clue.
Not every psychological problem revolves about one's relationshio with
their father - as you have suggested to no less then three poeple now.
If such were the cast then psychologists would only have to go to
school for four days instead of four years...which clearly they do not.
Jenn will learn what she has to learn when she has to learn it.
Your increasingly hostile reactions to the...well...the obvious tell me
ll that I need to know.
Truth is I realy don't care either way ... though I wish there were
more nicer and self-actualized people in the world.
There is no reason for me to talk about this with you any further as
I've already done it to death.
Sugir
<diane...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1108361544.2...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Sugir wrote:
>
>> Yes!!!! Exactly....
>> Like your father, right?
>> It is YOU that has the problem with men.
>> That's why you have a problem with Blake, right?
>
> Here's a clue.
> Not every psychological problem revolves about one's relationshio with
> their father - as you have suggested to no less then three poeple now.
True, but almost all TSs have such father issues, wouldn't you say?
You certainly do, I'm sure.
Can't be easy to have your father think you are a sissy?
> If such were the cast then psychologists would only have to go to
> school for four days instead of four years...which clearly they do not.
I imagine most TSs offer little challenge to therapists.
Your dysphoria is more challenging to you than more stable
minds viewing you.
>
> Jenn will learn what she has to learn when she has to learn it.
> Your increasingly hostile reactions to the...well...the obvious tell me
> ll that I need to know.
You are similarly transparent.
Your problem with men is obviously deep.
I hope I don't dig into raw wounds!
>
> Truth is I realy don't care either way ... though I wish there were
> more nicer and self-actualized people in the world.
I wish for something other than people that spit on
their supposed friends.
>
> There is no reason for me to talk about this with you any further as
> I've already done it to death.
Your relationship was REALLY bad with your father I take it?
Sugir
>>True, but almost all TSs have such father issues, wouldn't you say?
>
If you say NO, then it is obviously FACT.
You are always wrong, and logic takes us home from there.
> That whole "absentee father" thing was a bunch of
> 1950s garbage used to explain homosexuals... it wasn't true then and it
> still bullshit now.
But with a sissy, the father would be more than absent.
This has got to explain much of the acting out.
>
> As for Lask her problem is simple... She went to a dirt cheap doctor who
> botched the operation and she went stark raving bonkers...
Yes, but she can appreciate a pun.
Now if she stopped spitting on her friends, and being dense
when people relate their truth, she seems like a fine person.
She has some distance to go though.
The diference between her and you, is that you don't have
enough connected brain cells to blow up a ballon, except
you never stop blowing.
Sugir
>
>
>
> =====
> Laura
Jennifer Usher
<diane...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108339401.6...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>> Okay, let me see if I can clear this up. ..........
>
> Whatever....
Well, it is the truth about how we came to be together...
--
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
> Yes. My BDSM background will help in loosening up
> the TG community.
Sometimes the lack of a sense of humor by some is horrifying...
> It is clear I have a lot I can offer here.
A few good laughs at the very least.
--
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
<diane...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108361544.2...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Here's a clue.
> Not every psychological problem revolves about one's relationshio with
> their father - as you have suggested to no less then three poeple now.
> If such were the cast then psychologists would only have to go to
> school for four days instead of four years...which clearly they do not.
True, but it can play a major role. I would have had my SRS almost 30 years
ago if it had not been for how my father's behavior affected me. I spent a
good bit of my life trying to be "gynephillic" because I was basically
afraid of men. When I finally transitioned, I realized it was actually
"androphillic." If I had of know that back around 1977 I would have moved
forward, instead of giving up hope.
--
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
"L D Blake" <n...@any.adr> wrote in message
>>True, but almost all TSs have such father issues, wouldn't you say?
>
> Truthfuly very few do. That whole "absentee father" thing was a bunch of
> 1950s garbage used to explain homosexuals... it wasn't true then and it
> still bullshit now.
Ah, Lyle spouts off again, and shows his ignorance. My father wasn't
absent. I wish he had of been. What is true, in many cases, is that a
transsexual (as opposed to someone like you) shows early signs of
femininity, which does not set well with one's father. He expects his son
to act like a boy, and when one doesn't things can get nasty. Of course
some of that is cultural. I grew up in the Southern United States. Ideas
of what a young boy is supposed to act like are more rigid than they might
be in some other cultures.
> As for Lask her problem is simple... She went to a dirt cheap doctor who
> botched the operation and she went stark raving bonkers...
You're problem is simpler. You are a transphobic moron who can't deal with
being a crossdresser.
--
Jennifer Usher
b
"cat-o-matic" <cat-o...@nospamfor.me> wrote in message
news:20050213073410.4d7a6a97@rocket88...
> On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:34:37 GMT
> "b" <b...@spamnomore.mcfan.net> wrote:
>
> > Is it me but are some of the putdowns here getting past a joke?
> >
> > I mean not just about being offensive to the person targeted but saying
> > stuff which is just so vile that I can't see how anyone wouldn't be
> > disgusted?
> >
> >
> >
>
> It's not just you.
I know cat, I'm just stunned that anyone finds it defensible here.
Its just sickening, and we both know we're not talking about profanity.
Getting worse too, the mouth opens and spews offensive derogatory crap
without missing a beat.
Its even derogatory to the people that are defending it *sigh*.
What was it that I said about third parties poking their noses in?
'I only want help...., I'm sincere honest.... we are walking this path
together'
......yeah please help by talking a long walk off a very short cliff.
*Sickened*
Sugir
>>
>> It's not just you.
>
> I know cat, I'm just stunned that anyone finds it defensible here.
> Its just sickening, and we both know we're not talking about profanity.
Just discussing TG issues.
I have the "Father Problem" nailed as the reason you all act so
badly around men.
I'm absolutely sure that it is a major contributor.
>
> Getting worse too, the mouth opens and spews offensive derogatory crap
> without missing a beat.
And when do you miss a beat to refer to me as "it", or transfan?
Read your charter. It is you in violation.
>
> Its even derogatory to the people that are defending it *sigh*.
I can only assume you have a lot of problems with men?
>
> What was it that I said about third parties poking their noses in?
Who cares? Your statements were **inappropriate**, and you are rude,
but I understand more about the /father issues/ thingy.
>
> 'I only want help...., I'm sincere honest.... we are walking this path
> together'
> ......yeah please help by talking a long walk off a very short cliff.
You have a nice day too. :)
>
>
> *Sickening*
You are, yes.
Sugir
cat-o-matic
"b" <b...@spamnomore.mcfan.net> wrote:
>
> I know cat, I'm just stunned that anyone finds it defensible here.
> Its just sickening, and we both know we're not talking about profanity.
>
> Getting worse too, the mouth opens and spews offensive derogatory crap
> without missing a beat.
>
> Its even derogatory to the people that are defending it *sigh*.
>
> What was it that I said about third parties poking their noses in?
>
> 'I only want help...., I'm sincere honest.... we are walking this path
> together'
> ......yeah please help by talking a long walk off a very short cliff.
>
>
> *Sickened*
>
It seems to me that when a stranger appears talking about
"wanting to help" that person is always a predator of some sort.
Like when someone you just met keeps saying, "you can trust me"
it really means, "better not turn your back on me". Ah well,
there goes the neighborhood -- again.
c-o-m
Sugir
>
> It seems to me that when a stranger appears talking about
> "wanting to help" that person is always a predator of some sort.
I didn't say "want to" (did I?), I said I *can* help.
But that was called "sarcasm".
See! I can teach you about sarcasm!
I've helped already, and will go to my grave a happier
creepy old man.
Now -- the above is called "recursive".
Which is much like the logic you use to make yourself
feel important.
> Like when someone you just met keeps saying, "you can trust me"
> it really means, "better not turn your back on me". Ah well,
> there goes the neighborhood -- again.
You are no doubt right.
Perhaps you should hide under your bed. :)
Sugir
>
> c-o-m