I've got a serious question...
Jennifer Usher
but of those who have, I would like to know how you dealt with it. On
Friday, I was looking a web site that my case manager suggested. I
noticed that it included personal ads, and one caught my eye. On a
whim, I answered, and it looks like this could turn into a more
serious relationship.
I plan to be careful, and my hope is that, if things work out, he will
care enough that it won't matter.
Am I crazy? Or can something like this work? The guy is really not
bad looking, and to be honest, I think he may be pretty well off.
I would appreciate some serious help here.
Jennifer Usher
Elaine
"Jennifer Usher" <jenni...@earthlink.net> wrote
> I don't know how many have dated straight men while they were pre-op,
> but of those who have, I would like to know how you dealt with it. On
> Friday, I was looking a web site that my case manager suggested. I
> noticed that it included personal ads, and one caught my eye. On a
> whim, I answered, and it looks like this could turn into a more
> serious relationship.
>
> I plan to be careful, and my hope is that, if things work out, he will
> care enough that it won't matter.
Uh uh, Jennifer. It will "matter". It's scary enough when you're postop and
don't disclose. What you're thinking about could be very dangerous for you.
Paulinev01
I didn't but it was becouse I was married.
once that was taken care of I found it no problem. I stumbled thru the I used
to be a ... the first date and never looked back.
the only real differance is I had SRS. the same guy I first went out with
progbably wouldn't have cared.
I did.
It was hard to take the steps but rewarding when I had.
P/B
WHEN ITS TIME ITS TIME
the hardest step of any journey is the first, the most satisfying is the last.
PAULINE/Paula
ccc
has to use online personals becuase HE has
no confidence in the world outside alt.support.srs
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ccc
"Jennifer Usher" <jenni...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> On
> Friday, I was looking a web site that my case manager suggested. I
> noticed that it included personal ads, and one caught my eye. On a
> whim, I answered, and it looks like this could turn into a more
> serious relationship.
>
> I plan to be careful, and my hope is that, if things work out, he will
> care enough that it won't matter.
>
> Am I crazy? Or can something like this work? The guy is really not
> bad looking, and to be honest, I think he may be pretty well off.
>
> I would appreciate some serious help here.
>
> Jennifer Usher
to be serious, you are crazy. you answered an online personal and have made
some big assumptions about him already (its now monday). the pic could be
fake, the guy might have issues (thats why he cant get a date in real
life).... if he was well off and good looking that would be no problem for
him. after a few emails over 4 days its looking more like a serious
relationship... AND YOU HAVE NOT EVEN TOLD HIM YOU USED TO BE A MAN. as well
as that you are pretty ugly and your lust for his money prooves you are
nothing but a wannabe skank. i hope you tell him your a *superior internet
transexual with lots of respect on alt.support.srs* face to face... i
really, really hope you do... *snicker*
Diane
Usher) wrote:
>
>Am I crazy? Or can something like this work? The guy is really not
>bad looking, and to be honest, I think he may be pretty well off.
If he's straight , then my experience has been that he is not very
likely going to take the idea of a pre-op very well. It's difficult
enough post-op but it's 10 times less probable as a pre-op.
Not meaning to be crude or hurtful but effectively, at this point,
there is no physical difference between yourself and a she-male. If
you don't think that he's not going to react well to a she-male then
it's not likely that he'll react well to yourself. This is not great
news but it's born of my experience.
Additionally since you said that this whole thing is from an internet
personals ad...well...I just think that there's even less chance of
him being able to understand and accept the person that you are under
such circumstances.
Country Girl
Here is what I have done. While I have not dated from a dating service I
have been out with several men. We go to dinner, or dancing, or the Dairy
Queen and enjoy a evening. I have a simple rule that I'll tell the guy if
need be. There will be no sex so don't ask for it, don't grope me, don't
push the issue. We do want to go out with gentlemen for more then one
reason. A gentleman will respect your wishes. And he won't mind treating you
like a lady. I will grant my date a kiss and hug at the end of the evening
if I'm at all entranced with him. After all, we enjoy the touch and
appreciate their attention if your heterosexual. The date is for our benefit
after all, as much theirs.
I had one run in once and it was my fault in ignorance. I went to a Country
dance bar and found it nearly empty as it was late. Disappointed but wanting
to do something to get out the shell I was living in at that time I played
pool with the bartender. After he left for the evening I played pool with
the manager and he suggested that I come back after closing because he isn't
allowed to play pool and run the bar also. Sounded right, foolish me. As I
waited for closing time I started to think about this and then decided it
really was a bad idea. So I told him I really must leave and he escorted me
to the front door and said goodnight. Now I wasn't expected a good night to
include a kiss, but it did. As I got in my pickup, confused by what had just
happened I realized it could have been worse under locked doors should I
have stayed. And he was a BIG man and I'm a small girl.
This is a common sense issue and at that time I was very new to being full
time. And pretty ignorant on top of that. It was after that I realized if I
didn't want police to find me dead behind a dumpster I had better be smart.
I put together my set of rules which I make clear with any new date. So I
don't tell my dates I'm a pre-op Transsexual. They don't need to know and I
want to enjoy a date, not sit at home and wonder why I'm not going out and
enjoying life. So be smart and put up a wall where limits are easily
understood and go out with gentlemen who will respect your wishes.
Kristen
"Jennifer Usher" <jenni...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Diane
wrote:
>
>This is a common sense issue and at that time I was very new to being full
>time. And pretty ignorant on top of that. It was after that I realized if I
>didn't want police to find me dead behind a dumpster I had better be smart.
>I put together my set of rules which I make clear with any new date. So I
>don't tell my dates I'm a pre-op Transsexual. They don't need to know and I
>want to enjoy a date, not sit at home and wonder why I'm not going out and
>enjoying life. So be smart and put up a wall where limits are easily
>understood and go out with gentlemen who will respect your wishes.
What a Great Response !!
Jennifer Usher
> Hi Jennifer,
>
> Here is what I have done. While I have not dated from a dating service I
> have been out with several men. We go to dinner, or dancing, or the Dairy
> Queen and enjoy a evening. I have a simple rule that I'll tell the guy if
> need be. There will be no sex so don't ask for it, don't grope me, don't
> push the issue. We do want to go out with gentlemen for more then one
> reason. A gentleman will respect your wishes. And he won't mind treating you
> like a lady. I will grant my date a kiss and hug at the end of the evening
> if I'm at all entranced with him. After all, we enjoy the touch and
> appreciate their attention if your heterosexual. The date is for our benefit
> after all, as much theirs.
Thanks Kristen,
That was sort of the approach I was considering anyway. Well,
actually, had I been born a female, that is still the approach I think
I would be inclined to take for other reasons. Maybe I am foolish,
but I am hoping the relationship can reach a point, provided we really
are a good match, where he will be willing to accept it and wait for
my surgery. I'll be honest, I am getting tired of waiting myself. I
really need to find a job soon, and get things moving. The first day
I have free, I plan to head for the City's employment service. If I
can get on there, I would only have about a year's wait. Shoot, I
would likely have to wait that long if I got the money today.
Simply put, I'm lonely. I am pretty much over Carl, though I still
miss him. The guy I was involved with when I first got here was a bit
too far from me in a number of ways.
Your advice is very good. Maybe I can at least have a good time.
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
> online personals, perfect for desperate granny trannies. typically jeniffer
> has to use online personals becuase HE has
> no confidence in the world outside alt.support.srs
Actually, Scary Gary, it was on a local page for information
concerning the area where I now live. I don't, as a rule, look at
personals. I just did it for a lark, and ran across one that sounded
interesting. Actually, I have quite a life outside of
alt.support.srs. Then again, I don't have to try to hide who I really
am here. Why does that seem to be a problem for you Gary? Are you
trying to escape that image we all have of you in bad drag?
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
> to be serious, you are crazy. you answered an online personal and have made
> some big assumptions about him already (its now monday). the pic could be
> fake, the guy might have issues (thats why he cant get a date in real
> life).... if he was well off and good looking that would be no problem for
> him. after a few emails over 4 days its looking more like a serious
> relationship... AND YOU HAVE NOT EVEN TOLD HIM YOU USED TO BE A MAN. as well
> as that you are pretty ugly and your lust for his money prooves you are
> nothing but a wannabe skank. i hope you tell him your a *superior internet
> transexual with lots of respect on alt.support.srs* face to face... i
> really, really hope you do... *snicker*
Scary Gary, the only thing serious about you is your mental illness.
Jennifer Usher
Elaine
"Jennifer Usher" <jenni...@earthlink.net> wrote
> That was sort of the approach I was considering anyway. Well,
> actually, had I been born a female, that is still the approach I think
> I would be inclined to take for other reasons. Maybe I am foolish,
> but I am hoping the relationship can reach a point, provided we really
> are a good match, where he will be willing to accept it and wait for
> my surgery. I'll be honest, I am getting tired of waiting myself. I
> really need to find a job soon, and get things moving. The first day
> I have free, I plan to head for the City's employment service. If I
> can get on there, I would only have about a year's wait. Shoot, I
> would likely have to wait that long if I got the money today.
>
> Simply put, I'm lonely. I am pretty much over Carl, though I still
> miss him. The guy I was involved with when I first got here was a bit
> too far from me in a number of ways.
>
> Your advice is very good. Maybe I can at least have a good time.
Jennifer.....be very careful. From the sound of your post I don't believe
you know men very well. Kristen's advice was what you wanted to
hear.....think about it. Good luck.
Elaine
Amanda Angelika
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Agree with Elaine here I think you need to be VERY careful. Particularly in the light
of what you say about "too far". I can see that dating a strait guy who doesn't know
would be very validating, and flattering and it might be nice to get away from the
type of guys who like trannies of one sort or another, but is it really worth it? I
suppose the danger aspect could be exciting even be a turn on for some but I don't
think it's worth the risk of ending up in a body bag :/
Not sure how well you would take this suggestion :) but I suppose the best scene to
find open minded people of various persuasions including straitish guys who are not
too bothered about anatomy is probably the Fetish scene. Yes I know it can be full of
TVs, and may not be the best place to find a long term relationship in an ideal
world. But we don't live in an ideal world. Mind it is quite validating to pass as a
genetic female in a room full of trannies, it happens to me all the time LOL ;) It's
also a good place to meet people from a wide social strata so is excellent for
networking in lots of ways :)
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>LOL ! Are you fucking serious ? ? ?
>
Didn;t take Long to start forging Me BRandon.
Diane
Usher) wrote:
>
>Actually, Scary Gary, it was on a local page for information
>concerning the area where I now live.
Care to share the URL ? <g>
Diane
>on the other hand this guy is probably Diane ,
>
>she has been known to place ads as a man
>
>looking for trannies with dicks to fuck her ass
Let's play "Who is More Dysfunctional"
Scary Gary or Looney Lyle ?
Jennifer Usher
It is something called Craig's List. In any case, things did not work
out after all. When he found out I was effectively homeless, he lost
interest. Well, he said he thought he would be a distraction from me
getting my life together, but I have to wonder.
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
> Jennifer.....be very careful. From the sound of your post I don't believe
> you know men very well. Kristen's advice was what you wanted to
> hear.....think about it. Good luck.
Well, it is moot now. Turns out he couldn't deal with me being poor.
<g> Seriously.
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
> Not sure how well you would take this suggestion :) but I suppose the best scene to
> find open minded people of various persuasions including straitish guys who are not
> too bothered about anatomy is probably the Fetish scene. Yes I know it can be full of
> TVs, and may not be the best place to find a long term relationship in an ideal
> world. But we don't live in an ideal world. Mind it is quite validating to pass as a
> genetic female in a room full of trannies, it happens to me all the time LOL ;) It's
> also a good place to meet people from a wide social strata so is excellent for
> networking in lots of ways :)
I don't know. It really doesn't sound too appealing. I want someone
long term. As my counselor said, "It must be hard meeting someone
nice in your situation." No kidding. Most, if not all, of the men at
church are turning out to be gay. The men I meet in the laundry room
where I am staying usually turn out to be total losers who start
telling me about their drug problems, or are clearly off of their
meds. I'll be honest, I'm hurting right now. He couldn't deal with
me being poor and homeless. It really looked promising, but in the
end, he bailed.
Jennifer Usher
Amanda Angelika
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and didst say:
Sorry to hear that :( though at least there aren't the other worries for the time
being anyway. But it does sound difficult , well I think it can be difficult all of
us really particularly pre-op. I suppose in my case I'm more into women if the truth
be known but obviously being as I am creates problems and always has in a way. I
therefore tend to be more into platonic friendships than into sexual relationships.
I suppose one thing about the Fetish scene is that it tends to attract quite a broad
range of people some people are Fetishists some are into BDSM, some are trannies, But
one finds people are generally open minded and one does get straitish/ Bi men that
like T'girls. I certainly don't think I would be short of boyfriends if I was
seriously into guys and I dare say the occasional fling does have the potential to
develop further. This is why I thought I'd suggest it, because in many ways it is
relatively safe and it's probably better than the gay scene because gay men are not
generally into woman.
I suppose the only disadvantage with the Fetish scene (apart from the connotations
and ideally one might wish not to be in ANY kind of "SCENE") is it can be expensive.
Well the parties can cost $20= or more (doing a rough sterling/dollar conversion) and
obviously it's nice to have some slightly more interesting clothes than one might
wear everyday. Still it's possible to do quite a lot on a shoe string I should know
;)
Mind I seem to be well sorted for parties at the moment I run a Website for a Club
near where I live so I'm on the pay roll as it were, so get to swan around as Madam
Webmistress and get to know everyone. I even get lessons on how to wield the Cat from
some of the Domimatrixes ;) If people ask me what I'm actually into I just say HTML
and Flash LOL ;) Well it saves mentioning that I might not be quite what I seem :)
BettyBoo
Well there you go. Serves yourself right. Go back and refine your search at
the site.
"him being a distraction to u" is simply a nice way of saying he thinks your
a looser and he's not interested.
however I suggest you give the URL to diane.. or are you avoiding that ? I
hope it wasn't some sleazy pickup site ur hiding from her ! ;)
Helen Smith
Usher <jenni...@earthlink.net> writes
>"Elaine" <elain...@msn.com> wrote in message news:<JzD%9.669$sd5.112181@news.
>uswest.net>...
>
>> Jennifer.....be very careful. From the sound of your post I don't believe
>> you know men very well. Kristen's advice was what you wanted to
>> hear.....think about it. Good luck.
>
>Well, it is moot now. Turns out he couldn't deal with me being poor.
><g> Seriously.
>
>Jennifer Usher
Jennifer, just my 2 cents worth but remember there's no such thing as a
knight in shining armour who'll gallop up and save you...
I really hope you find that job soon. They say; very good romances can
be found amongst co-workers these days. I think it's because you get to
know them to a good degree and if you date them you're aware of who and
what they are.
In the meantime be good to yourself. Look after number one :)
--
Helen Smith
Anne Marie Tobias
As soon as it got passed a little heavy petting, I told him. He was a
little put off at first, but we got through it. We actually had a real
nice time togther for a couple years. It never got way serious, but we
enjoyed the time we spent together.
A. Tobias
P. S. Don't let things get too far before disclosing, and you may want
to tell him in a public place with friends in the vacinity just in case.
A. Tobias
Anne Marie Tobias
Most of the ones I've met are wonderful gentlemen, have a great idea of
how to treat women. Aren't the least bit sqeamish with MTFs, and more
than a couple of the one's I've met are cute as a button.
That and most are desperate to find folks that can accept them without
consideration. Who knows, might just be a match made in heaven. Do you
have any FTM support groups in your area? Worth a looksee...
A. Tobias
Jennifer Usher
> >Well, it is moot now. Turns out he couldn't deal with me being poor.
> ><g> Seriously.
>
> Jennifer, just my 2 cents worth but remember there's no such thing as a
> knight in shining armour who'll gallop up and save you...
I know, and that was really not what I wanted...though it would be a
nice fantasy. No, what I really wanted was just a little romance.
> I really hope you find that job soon. They say; very good romances can
> be found amongst co-workers these days. I think it's because you get to
> know them to a good degree and if you date them you're aware of who and
> what they are.
I am working on it.
> In the meantime be good to yourself. Look after number one :)
I know. Yesterday was just rough. It was just one of those days.
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
> Sorry to hear that :( though at least there aren't the other worries for the time
> being anyway. But it does sound difficult , well I think it can be difficult all of
> us really particularly pre-op. I suppose in my case I'm more into women if the truth
> be known but obviously being as I am creates problems and always has in a way. I
> therefore tend to be more into platonic friendships than into sexual relationships.
You know, the really ironic part is, I have a fairly decent lifestyle
for someone who is "poor and homeless." I have a decent bed...not
perfect, but a lot better than some places I could be. Between food
stamps, and the money I get, I eat pretty well. Since I don't do
drugs or alcohol, I have plenty of money for necessities. Outside of
those who actually know me, most people have no idea I am homeless. I
don't look the part. So, I don't get treat shabbily. Of course, I am
targeted by the panhandlers. <g>
> I suppose one thing about the Fetish scene is that it tends to attract quite a broad
> range of people some people are Fetishists some are into BDSM, some are trannies, But
> one finds people are generally open minded and one does get straitish/ Bi men that
> like T'girls. I certainly don't think I would be short of boyfriends if I was
> seriously into guys and I dare say the occasional fling does have the potential to
> develop further. This is why I thought I'd suggest it, because in many ways it is
> relatively safe and it's probably better than the gay scene because gay men are not
> generally into woman.
Well, I don't really want someone who is into T-girls. Kind of
narrows the field too much, but that is not appealing to me.
> I suppose the only disadvantage with the Fetish scene (apart from the connotations
> and ideally one might wish not to be in ANY kind of "SCENE") is it can be expensive.
> Well the parties can cost $20= or more (doing a rough sterling/dollar conversion) and
> obviously it's nice to have some slightly more interesting clothes than one might
> wear everyday. Still it's possible to do quite a lot on a shoe string I should know
> ;)
Nope, definitely not for me.
> Mind I seem to be well sorted for parties at the moment I run a Website for a Club
> near where I live so I'm on the pay roll as it were, so get to swan around as Madam
> Webmistress and get to know everyone. I even get lessons on how to wield the Cat from
> some of the Domimatrixes ;) If people ask me what I'm actually into I just say HTML
> and Flash LOL ;) Well it saves mentioning that I might not be quite what I seem :)
No, I am definitely not into that sort of thing. <g>
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
> Have you ever considered dating an FTM?
>
> Most of the ones I've met are wonderful gentlemen, have a great idea of
> how to treat women. Aren't the least bit sqeamish with MTFs, and more
> than a couple of the one's I've met are cute as a button.
>
> That and most are desperate to find folks that can accept them without
> consideration. Who knows, might just be a match made in heaven. Do you
> have any FTM support groups in your area? Worth a looksee...
Actually, the thought has occured to me. The only problem is, they
tend to be as short as I am tall. <g>
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
> I dates a really sweet guy named Roger while I was preop...
>
> As soon as it got passed a little heavy petting, I told him. He was a
> little put off at first, but we got through it. We actually had a real
> nice time togther for a couple years. It never got way serious, but we
> enjoyed the time we spent together.
>
> A. Tobias
>
> P. S. Don't let things get too far before disclosing, and you may want
> to tell him in a public place with friends in the vacinity just in case.
Now see, this is what I was hoping for. And that was pretty much my
plan. Make sure it was a reasonably public place when I told him.
Private enough to be comfortable for both of us, but public enough for
safety. Oh well, as I said, it is moot now.
Jennifer Usher
Country Girl
handsome and caring F2M man. The relation is very enjoyable and issues such
as being TS are mute. We just enjoy life like any couple in society dealing
with everyday problems and joys. There is an understanding and bond that
surpasses any disappointment. I love him.
Kristen
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Amanda Angelika
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| news:<b1ptcd$147mhk$1...@ID-172934.news.dfncis.de>...
|
|| Sorry to hear that :( though at least there aren't the other worries
|| for the time being anyway. But it does sound difficult , well I
|| think it can be difficult all of us really particularly pre-op. I
|| suppose in my case I'm more into women if the truth be known but
|| obviously being as I am creates problems and always has in a way. I
|| therefore tend to be more into platonic friendships than into sexual
|| relationships.
|
| You know, the really ironic part is, I have a fairly decent lifestyle
| for someone who is "poor and homeless." I have a decent bed...not
| perfect, but a lot better than some places I could be. Between food
| stamps, and the money I get, I eat pretty well. Since I don't do
| drugs or alcohol, I have plenty of money for necessities. Outside of
| those who actually know me, most people have no idea I am homeless. I
| don't look the part. So, I don't get treat shabbily. Of course, I am
| targeted by the panhandlers. <g>
Well that doesn't sound too bad, and you do sound very positive which is the main
thing. I think if one can keep your spirits up and keep up ones appearance to, it
should help you find work. You sound happy enough anyway. Mind sometimes the old
Christian spirit of being happy with one's lot doesn't always furnish one with much
ambition or a competitive spirit which has always been my downfall really since I can
be quite content living on peanuts and apart smoking I have never been much for drugs
or alcohol, well dope makes me paranoid and alcohol puts me to sleep. So presented
with the UK benefit system back in the 70s I think I just thought I'd spend my life
painting pictures, as if I was God's gift to art or something LOL ;) I think this was
mistake really as a career move, but I dare say I shall sort my life out eventually
;)
|| I suppose one thing about the Fetish scene is that it tends to
|| attract quite a broad range of people some people are Fetishists
|| some are into BDSM, some are trannies, But one finds people are
|| generally open minded and one does get straitish/ Bi men that like
|| T'girls. I certainly don't think I would be short of boyfriends if I
|| was seriously into guys and I dare say the occasional fling does
|| have the potential to develop further. This is why I thought I'd
|| suggest it, because in many ways it is relatively safe and it's
|| probably better than the gay scene because gay men are not generally
|| into woman.
|
| Well, I don't really want someone who is into T-girls. Kind of
| narrows the field too much, but that is not appealing to me.
Yes I can see that really. Mind I do know a few Post-Ops who occasionally come to the
parties. Mind if my friend is anything to go by she has a kind of Love hate
relationship with these Scenes and one can sort of see why really. :)
|| I suppose the only disadvantage with the Fetish scene (apart from
|| the connotations and ideally one might wish not to be in ANY kind of
|| "SCENE") is it can be expensive. Well the parties can cost $20= or
|| more (doing a rough sterling/dollar conversion) and obviously it's
|| nice to have some slightly more interesting clothes than one might
|| wear everyday. Still it's possible to do quite a lot on a shoe
|| string I should know ;)
|
| Nope, definitely not for me.
:)
|
|| Mind I seem to be well sorted for parties at the moment I run a
|| Website for a Club near where I live so I'm on the pay roll as it
|| were, so get to swan around as Madam Webmistress and get to know
|| everyone. I even get lessons on how to wield the Cat from some of
|| the Domimatrixes ;) If people ask me what I'm actually into I just
|| say HTML and Flash LOL ;) Well it saves mentioning that I might not
|| be quite what I seem :)
|
| No, I am definitely not into that sort of thing. <g>
;)
Well yes I got into Web Design and computers a bit late really, since I originally
did Fine Art. I wouldn't say it's the boom industry it once was, but I dare say there
are opportunities there. But sometimes I think I ought to go back to painting
pictures I probably made more money out of it strangely enough ;)
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Jennifer Usher
> Well that doesn't sound too bad, and you do sound very positive which is the main
> thing. I think if one can keep your spirits up and keep up ones appearance to, it
> should help you find work. You sound happy enough anyway. Mind sometimes the old
> Christian spirit of being happy with one's lot doesn't always furnish one with much
> ambition or a competitive spirit which has always been my downfall really since I can
> be quite content living on peanuts and apart smoking I have never been much for drugs
> or alcohol, well dope makes me paranoid and alcohol puts me to sleep. So presented
> with the UK benefit system back in the 70s I think I just thought I'd spend my life
> painting pictures, as if I was God's gift to art or something LOL ;) I think this was
> mistake really as a career move, but I dare say I shall sort my life out eventually
> ;)
It is not a matter of being happy with one's lot, as much as it is a
matter of being realistic. I mean, I'm living in one of the world's
great cities. I am surrounded by beauty. The climate is ideal, never
too hot, never too cold. I can eat food from just about any ethnic
group you can name. I can do things I used to only dream of doing.
Yeah, things are not perfect, but they really are better than they
were a couple of months ago.
> Yes I can see that really. Mind I do know a few Post-Ops who occasionally come to the
> parties. Mind if my friend is anything to go by she has a kind of Love hate
> relationship with these Scenes and one can sort of see why really. :)
If that is what someone wants, good for them. But, it is not what I
want.
> Well yes I got into Web Design and computers a bit late really, since I originally
> did Fine Art. I wouldn't say it's the boom industry it once was, but I dare say there
> are opportunities there. But sometimes I think I ought to go back to painting
> pictures I probably made more money out of it strangely enough ;)
I'm not completely sure what I want to do on a long term basis.
Ideally, I would love to marry and be a housewife, preferably with
enough social status to do the garden club scene. Not likely, so I am
considering some other paths.
Jennifer Usher
Diane
Usher) wrote:
> Not likely, so I am
>considering some other paths.
If, by any chance you're considering the Tenderloin prostitution
scene....then I can't emphasize enough how much of a dead end that is.
Emphasis on "dead"
Paulinev01
>scene....then I can't emphasize enough how much of a dead end that is.
>Emphasis on "dead"
A few years ago in a like situation I made a joke like this, I had friends who
told me they would never speake to me if I did such a thing.
Talk to the people at section 8 and get a place to live. If it gets you back on
your feet its not charity. Its help.
WHEN ITS TIME ITS TIME
the hardest step of any journey is the first, the most satisfying is the last.
PAULINE/Paula
Amanda Angelika
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and didst say:
| news:<b1sdae$15qlbk$1...@ID-172934.news.dfncis.de>...
|
|| Well that doesn't sound too bad, and you do sound very positive
|| which is the main thing. I think if one can keep your spirits up
|| and keep up ones appearance to, it should help you find work. You
|| sound happy enough anyway. Mind sometimes the old Christian spirit
|| of being happy with one's lot doesn't always furnish one with much
|| ambition or a competitive spirit which has always been my downfall
|| really since I can be quite content living on peanuts and apart
|| smoking I have never been much for drugs or alcohol, well dope makes
|| me paranoid and alcohol puts me to sleep. So presented with the UK
|| benefit system back in the 70s I think I just thought I'd spend my
|| life painting pictures, as if I was God's gift to art or something
|| LOL ;) I think this was mistake really as a career move, but I dare
|| say I shall sort my life out eventually ;)
|
| It is not a matter of being happy with one's lot, as much as it is a
| matter of being realistic. I mean, I'm living in one of the world's
| great cities. I am surrounded by beauty. The climate is ideal, never
| too hot, never too cold. I can eat food from just about any ethnic
| group you can name. I can do things I used to only dream of doing.
| Yeah, things are not perfect, but they really are better than they
| were a couple of months ago.
Yes it sounds a very nice place. The weathers not quite so good where I live ;) but I
know when I first came to Cardiff back about 11 years ago now, although I wouldn't
say it was as nice as SF, I was absolutely amazed by how many different things one
could do and places one could go. I think the novelty can wear off after a while, but
city life has compensations and it's good not to take things for granted really :)
|| Yes I can see that really. Mind I do know a few Post-Ops who
|| occasionally come to the parties. Mind if my friend is anything to
|| go by she has a kind of Love hate relationship with these Scenes and
|| one can sort of see why really. :)
|
| If that is what someone wants, good for them. But, it is not what I
| want.
Yes. I realise that :)
|| Well yes I got into Web Design and computers a bit late really,
|| since I originally did Fine Art. I wouldn't say it's the boom
|| industry it once was, but I dare say there are opportunities there.
|| But sometimes I think I ought to go back to painting pictures I
|| probably made more money out of it strangely enough ;)
|
| I'm not completely sure what I want to do on a long term basis.
| Ideally, I would love to marry and be a housewife, preferably with
| enough social status to do the garden club scene. Not likely, so I am
| considering some other paths.
|
| Jennifer Usher
Well I always imagined in an ideal world I would have been a sort of Middle Class
Housewife married to a Doctor or a Solicitor living in a tree lined avenue in a
detached house in the Suburbs of London where I would have a summer house in the
garden and do Landscape paintings and show them in Knightbridge Galleries, behind
Harrods (actually I have done that bit), and entertain the vicar from time to time.
;) Well actually most of the female artists I know seem to be quite camp even for
women, so I think I fit in there OK at least I got the vocation right and can go
round with a long cigarette holder and long black gloves using words like Ambiance
and Juxtaposition and call everyone darling ;)
Amanda Angelika
news:20030206182722...@mb-dh.news.cs.com
and didst say:
It's surprising sometimes that "rough" areas are not always as bad as one might
think. I know I used to have a room I rented as an art studio in a rat invested
Victorian Wharehouse in Cardiff Docks, there were hookers hanging out on every street
corner. I just thought it was part of the Bohemian lifestyle, and I never had any
trouble there. Mind I did have a car at the time and didn't actually live there and I
wasn't living as a woman in those days either.
Others must have thought it an interesting place to live though because after a while
they knocked down our Wharehouse and built Yuppy housing with vastly extortionate
rents, Urban change can be so ironic The Yuppies frightened us artists away with
their pretentious rents, but the street girls had a boom LOL ;)
Jennifer Usher
Hardly! Personally, I try to avoid the Tenderloin, period. No, that
is not what I was talking about.
Jennifer Usher
Diane
Usher) wrote:
>
>> If, by any chance you're considering the Tenderloin prostitution
>> scene....then I can't emphasize enough how much of a dead end that is.
>> Emphasis on "dead"
>
>Hardly! Personally, I try to avoid the Tenderloin, period. No, that
>is not what I was talking about.
OK :) Just checking...good for you !
So have you been to North Beach yet? Great place to sit outside at a
table on the weekend and have a Latte and Gelato.
Jennifer Usher
I haven't really explored that neighborhood in depth. I plan to soon.
I do think I will take up your suggestion though. I also want to
check out Molinari's.
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
> >If, by any chance you're considering the Tenderloin prostitution
> >scene....then I can't emphasize enough how much of a dead end that is.
> >Emphasis on "dead"
>
> A few years ago in a like situation I made a joke like this, I had friends who
> told me they would never speake to me if I did such a thing.
>
> Talk to the people at section 8 and get a place to live. If it gets you back on
> your feet its not charity. Its help.
Actually, that is exactly what I am working on. I really don't want
to wind up in one of the SRO hotels, unless maybe I could get one in
Chinatown. I think that might be rather cool. But since most of them
actually are in the Tenderloin, I hope to avoid that.
Jennifer Usher
Diane
Usher) wrote:
>I haven't really explored that neighborhood in depth. I plan to soon.
> I do think I will take up your suggestion though. I also want to
>check out Molinari's.
It's really nice up there....there's a GREAT bookstore called City
Lights there That Ferlinghetti owns and a really great down to Earth
bar called (I think Vesuvius) right next to it that was involved in
the start of the Bohemian movement back in the 50's and 60's.
Worth going to any night.
Jenice Bay
Jennifer Usher wrote:
> You know, the really ironic part is, I have a fairly decent lifestyle
> for someone who is "poor and homeless." I have a decent bed full of bugs...not
> perfect, but a lot better than some places I could be, like at Dianes dumpster. Between food
> stamps, streetside sex and the money I get, I eat pretty well. Since I don't do
> drugs or alcohol, I have plenty of money for necessities, like the tampons i play with now. Outside of
> those who actually know me, most people have no idea I am homeless, but I get clocked every 5 seconds. I
> don't look the part. So, I don't get treat shabbily since they now pour my soup into the bowl. Of course, I am
> targeted by the panhandlers because I'm such a role model of this wonderful gotham. <g>
Actually the city of San Francisco and State of Califorina are about cut the entire free ride program you enjoy
Jennifer. I would make plans now to contribute to the 30 Billion deficet we all enjoy .
Or....
You could market yourself as a sexy lil shemale....
Why anyone would move here to enjoy our high cost of living and cut social services is totally beyond us. What
really crack us up is the idea that you will land a job with the City of SF and get a free sexchange...LOL....
Girl...they "clued up" real quick on that one, because they found it would cost too much to to hire a bunch of TS
posers to clean parks.! Take a number girly, cuz you will be at least 1300 tranny's deep in the hiring process(at
last count).
If you had any brains you would have settled in the East Bay or South Bay where they are not trying to clock you
every 5 seconds. We can see Diane was totally helpful here.
But hey... "Fearless Homeless Mary Tyler Moore Girl" Enjoy The Big City, and be sure to let us know how that job
search goes, because we are concerned that you have come to our state to panhandle, and clog our streets with your
stolen shopping carts.
Or....
You could get off this transvestite fantasy that you have about getting some California Sugar Daddy to pay your
way. Cuz there are plenty of sexy lil "shemales" that snagged all the rich guys long before you got here.
We are gonna share a little secret here, so please don't share this with the world.
You will best "pass" in Bakersfield,Fresno, Grover City, Modesto and Pelican Bay.
The Central Valley will accept you much better than SF will. San Francisco is tranny clocking paradise...a place
where you will soon learn that gender+sexuality=POLITICS!!!!
We can't wait to see the new and improved Jennifer Usher that supports the rain forest and marches in every protest
because there is free food.
Munch Down girl...."you just might make it after all."
>
> Well, I don't really want someone who is into T-girls. Kind of
> narrows the field too much, but that is not appealing to me.
Think "Sexy Shemale" it 's the Real California Cheese...you are going up against plenty of 21-26 year old
asians,latinas and sexy little california born hotties.
That leaves you with the reformed dopers and the local "rent a protester" circut.
Eureka!!!!!
You HAVE "Found it"....(boot to the head...thump!)
Kisses
Miss Jenice Bay
(donated my cans to J. Usher because I felt guilty)
Diane
>
>Actually the city of San Francisco and State of Califorina are about cut the entire free ride program you enjoy
>Jennifer. I would make plans now to contribute to the 30 Billion deficet we all enjoy .
>Or....
>You could market yourself as a sexy lil shemale....
.....advice from a 60 year old man who plays dress up on weekends and
on the internet....
http://www.thejeannettes.com/ImagesHome/PicJeannetteMark.jpg
Amanda Angelika
news:3E48EB4E...@cts.com
and didst say:
<snipped for brevity>
| Think "Sexy Shemale" it 's the Real California Cheese...you are going
| up against plenty of 21-26 year old asians,latinas and sexy little
| california born hotties. That leaves you with the reformed dopers and
| the local "rent a protester" circut.
|
| Eureka!!!!!
| You HAVE "Found it"....(boot to the head...thump!)
|
| Kisses
| Miss Jenice Bay
| (donated my cans to J. Usher because I felt guilty)
That was a rather bleak picture.
I think if Jenn were identifying specifically as a TG person or DQ what you say might
be true, I dare say there is prejudice against individuals that openly identify as
*deviant* in our society even in SF I would imagine, and I daresay this may cause
difficulties with employment because in the main employers tend to want people
committed to the job and fitting in.
In the main CDs and TGs are perceived as self obsessed and more concerned with being
the centre of attention and *different* from everyone else, than in buckling down to
an honest days work and placing commitment to a role within a company, I daresay
there is some truth in that perception, because Transgenderism as a state of
*otherness* is in the main about *being different* it's certainly not about being an
ordinary woman or an ordinary man for that matter or about fitting in with societal
norms (nothing wrong with that if that's what a person wants)
However, Jenn identifies as a woman and I can't see why for the most part she
wouldn't be accepted as such, she does seem to show commitment to this and is not
concerned for the most part in *being different* In this respect she is quite typical
for a TS.
I would think therefore she would be more likely to be accepted on her merits as a
relatively ordinary woman and would probably not experience the sort of Transphobia
that people who make a big thing out of being *different* or individualistic may
suffer.
One hopes therefore that she will manage to get out of this hole, being poor and
homeless is not a good situation to be in, but unfortunately until one finds a
certain niche in life it can be the lot of many *trans* women, it's certainly not a
thing that anyone should be gloating over and I can't honestly say my own situation
is that much better, but the thing is, one should sort the problems out that are
causing such difficulties and get on with life.
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Jennifer Usher
> Jennifer Usher wrote:
>
> > You know, the really ironic part is, I have a fairly decent lifestyle
> > for someone who is "poor and homeless." I have a decent bed full of bugs...not
> > perfect, but a lot better than some places I could be, like at Dianes dumpster. Between food
> > stamps, streetside sex and the money I get, I eat pretty well. Since I don't do
> > drugs or alcohol, I have plenty of money for necessities, like the tampons i play with now. Outside of
> > those who actually know me, most people have no idea I am homeless, but I get clocked every 5 seconds. I
> > don't look the part. So, I don't get treat shabbily since they now pour my soup into the bowl. Of course, I am
> > targeted by the panhandlers because I'm such a role model of this wonderful gotham. <g>
>
> Actually the city of San Francisco and State of Califorina are about cut the entire free ride program you enjoy
> Jennifer. I would make plans now to contribute to the 30 Billion deficet we all enjoy .
Oh how cute. You went and modified what I said. Such a cute loser
you are.
> Or....
> You could market yourself as a sexy lil shemale....
I'll just leave that to people like you.
> Why anyone would move here to enjoy our high cost of living and cut social services is totally beyond us. What
> really crack us up is the idea that you will land a job with the City of SF and get a free sexchange...LOL....
ROTFL! Clearly you know little about San Francisco.
> Girl...they "clued up" real quick on that one, because they found it would cost too much to to hire a bunch of TS
> posers to clean parks.! Take a number girly, cuz you will be at least 1300 tranny's deep in the hiring process(at
> last count).
That's nice.
> If you had any brains you would have settled in the East Bay or South Bay where they are not trying to clock you
> every 5 seconds. We can see Diane was totally helpful here.
Funny, I don't get "clocked." But I guess you can't imagine anyone
who doesn't get clocked like you.
> But hey... "Fearless Homeless Mary Tyler Moore Girl" Enjoy The Big City, and be sure to let us know how that job
> search goes, because we are concerned that you have come to our state to panhandle, and clog our streets with your
> stolen shopping carts.
You should really try comedy. It would be fun watching you get jerked
off the stage every time you tried.
> Or....
> You could get off this transvestite fantasy that you have about getting some California Sugar Daddy to pay your
> way. Cuz there are plenty of sexy lil "shemales" that snagged all the rich guys long before you got here.
ROTFL! Or, I can just enjoy watching you make such a complete ass of
yourself.
> We are gonna share a little secret here, so please don't share this with the world.
> You will best "pass" in Bakersfield,Fresno, Grover City, Modesto and Pelican Bay.
No thanks.
> The Central Valley will accept you much better than SF will. San Francisco is tranny clocking paradise...a place
> where you will soon learn that gender+sexuality=POLITICS!!!!
Yes, I clock them all the time. But I don't get clocked.
> We can't wait to see the new and improved Jennifer Usher that supports the rain forest and marches in every protest
> because there is free food.
>
> Munch Down girl...."you just might make it after all."
Nah, I don't think so.
> > Well, I don't really want someone who is into T-girls. Kind of
> > narrows the field too much, but that is not appealing to me.
>
> Think "Sexy Shemale" it 's the Real California Cheese...you are going up against plenty of 21-26 year old
> asians,latinas and sexy little california born hotties.
> That leaves you with the reformed dopers and the local "rent a protester" circut.
Nah, I'll leave those to losers like you.
> Eureka!!!!!
> You HAVE "Found it"....(boot to the head...thump!)
It's too bad I am stuck using Google for newsgroups. It would be so
nice to drop you into a kill file. Oh well, I'll just go back to
ignoring you and your fantasies.
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
Thanks. That not only cured my hiccups, it puts it all in perspective.
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
> That was a rather bleak picture.
> I think if Jenn were identifying specifically as a TG person or DQ what you say might
> be true, I dare say there is prejudice against individuals that openly identify as
> *deviant* in our society even in SF I would imagine, and I daresay this may cause
> difficulties with employment because in the main employers tend to want people
> committed to the job and fitting in.
Jenice is a rather bitter wannabe.
> In the main CDs and TGs are perceived as self obsessed and more concerned with being
> the centre of attention and *different* from everyone else, than in buckling down to
> an honest days work and placing commitment to a role within a company, I daresay
> there is some truth in that perception, because Transgenderism as a state of
> *otherness* is in the main about *being different* it's certainly not about being an
> ordinary woman or an ordinary man for that matter or about fitting in with societal
> norms (nothing wrong with that if that's what a person wants)
You know, I was just thinking along these lines. That sums up the
real difference between most who identify as TG and those who identify
as TS. The TGs tend to focus on being different. On being both male
and woman. They cannot stand the idea of fitting in. That is
certainly their right, but when they attack others for not sharing
their "vision" problems erutpt.
> However, Jenn identifies as a woman and I can't see why for the most part she
> wouldn't be accepted as such, she does seem to show commitment to this and is not
> concerned for the most part in *being different* In this respect she is quite typical
> for a TS.
Exactly.
> I would think therefore she would be more likely to be accepted on her merits as a
> relatively ordinary woman and would probably not experience the sort of Transphobia
> that people who make a big thing out of being *different* or individualistic may
> suffer.
Well, I haven't suffered an transphobia. People accept me as a woman,
period.
> One hopes therefore that she will manage to get out of this hole, being poor and
> homeless is not a good situation to be in, but unfortunately until one finds a
> certain niche in life it can be the lot of many *trans* women, it's certainly not a
> thing that anyone should be gloating over and I can't honestly say my own situation
> is that much better, but the thing is, one should sort the problems out that are
> causing such difficulties and get on with life.
I spent some time this morning talking with a doctor who operates a
clinic at the place where I am staying. She had noticed I was taking
both spironolactone, and Premarin, but she did not assume I was TS.
She first asked about my periods. We talked for a while, and when we
finished, she said that I was one of the few people she met who she
believed would not be permanently homeless.
Jenice is just mad because I am living better than she can ever hope
to.
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
Yes, City Lights is on my to-do list. Ah, so much to see and do...
Jennifer Usher
Jenice Bay
Jennifer Usher wrote:
>
> Jenice is just mad because I am living better than she can ever hope
> to.
>
> Jennifer Usher
You wanna rent my condo in The Sunset ...$3,100 a month 2br 1-1/2 bath, fireplace,great ocean view..steps from
Ocean Beach and the muni line is a block away ,available March 1. small pet ok.
Is Jennifer Really Bernie Ward????
Get a job!
www.mcdonalds.com
www.burgerking.com
www.starbucks.com
Elaine
"Jenice Bay" <jb...@cts.com> wrote>
>
> Jennifer Usher wrote:
>
> > Jenice is just mad because I am living better than she can ever hope
> > to.
> >
> > Jennifer Usher
>
> You wanna rent my condo in The Sunset ...$3,100 a month 2br 1-1/2 bath,
fireplace,great ocean view..steps from
> Ocean Beach and the muni line is a block away ,available March 1. small
pet ok.
LOL.....you have no idea what Jennifer is talking about.
Diane
>
>You wanna rent my condo in The Sunset ...$3,100 a month 2br 1-1/2 bath, fireplace,great ocean view..steps from
>Ocean Beach and the muni line is a block away ,available March 1. small pet ok.
Yeah right Mark....men who can afford $3k mo condo's **don't*
advertise themselves as "escorts" on the internet nor do the try to
sell third rate falsies on Usenet to make a living.
Loser.
Jennifer Usher
> LOL.....you have no idea what Jennifer is talking about.
Way too true! <g>
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
ROTFL! No, they don't besides, does this turkey expect us to believe
he commutes between San Francisco and San Diego? Just to play dress
up?
Jennifer Usher
Jenice Bay
Diane wrote:
Check out my videos...hot shemale on post op action....but these girls got some "depth".
In fact I spend a good deal of my time doing non profit " stent model" for post ops that still want that lezzie
thing with a nice stiffy (strapon).
I will just repeat what i told you on the phone Diane
You are not my type for pro bono...but I will be happy to accept your money if you need me to drill you a lil
deeper <wink>...
It would give me a good excuse to slap your subby self around.
Now take your 2 boot licker subby bottom homeless galpal's with you, and go find my nudes!
Back into the plonk box until i want to "play" with you again.
I made a statue of Diane and Jennifer drooling all over Elaine...
Amazing what you can do with yellow Lego's.
Kisses chumps!
Jenice
Cupid's Arrow of Fire
"Jenice Bay" <jb...@cts.com> wrote in message
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hehe quite amusing, i had a feeling that Aunty Usher and Diane "talk to me
lyle" Arons would think elaine was *king* shit, but I think that Elaine is
secretly scared of spanking them both becuase diane might call her a man- i
also think elaine is scared of loosing her alt.support.srs power base, thats
why elaine never tells diane to "fuck off with the troll baiting and get us
some peace around here". Don't forget Diane, Aunty Usher still has a dick.
Jennifer Usher
> hehe quite amusing, i had a feeling that Aunty Usher and Diane "talk to me
> lyle" Arons would think elaine was *king* shit, but I think that Elaine is
> secretly scared of spanking them both becuase diane might call her a man- i
> also think elaine is scared of loosing her alt.support.srs power base, thats
> why elaine never tells diane to "fuck off with the troll baiting and get us
> some peace around here". Don't forget Diane, Aunty Usher still has a dick.
Funny thing though, unlike you, no one suspects I do unless I tell
them. No one would ever imagine you as having anything else. Oh, and
mine's days are numbered. Your is secure in his position.
Jennifer Usher
Jenice Bay
Jennifer Usher wrote:
> "Scary Gary" <g...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<newscache$hpqaah$rj1$1...@mars.dataline.net.au>...
>
> > hehe quite amusing, i had a feeling that Aunty Usher and Diane "talk to me
> > lyle" Arons would think elaine was *king* shit, but I think that Elaine is
> > secretly scared of spanking them both becuase diane might call her a man- i
> > also think elaine is scared of loosing her alt.support.srs power base, thats
> > why elaine never tells diane to "fuck off with the troll baiting and get us
> > some peace around here". Don't forget Diane, Aunty Usher still has a dick.
>
> Funny thing though, unlike you, no one suspects I do unless I tell
> them.
Oh this is classic...LOL
They don't suspect because the don't WANT to know!!!! LOL
Homeless, Fat, Ugly and a tiny hairy lil Dick....RUN!!!!!!!!
Did someone say DICK(no wonder they run)
Hey Aunty Jenny??? How was your stay at Dianes apartment??? Nice to see she, and poser Granny Elaine took
you in, and served you "soup".
Jennifer Must Die now for the sake of this group....
> No one would ever imagine you as having anything else. Oh, and
> mine's days are numbered. Your is secure in his position.
>
> Jennifer Usher
The last statement boggles the mind...
Jennifer Usher has no plans, funds, job, home, food, car, cellphone, friends, lover, or even a
compass....SRS is way out of the question since she has been told she must lose about 100lbs first...if
she is not too old by that time.
Take the last pink bic razor they gave you at the clinic , and slit your own throat. That way you can
get a "5150 hold", and hang out in SF for a few more months before the state, and county funds dry up.
I guess you found what it is really like being a homeless MAN in SF....(cuz that's what you really are
still according to the state) if you were a homeless WOMAN (like diane thinks) you would be getting a
lot more G.A and the fasttrac to that section 8 housing you so desire.
My advice...
Find a sperm donor and have a baby....
Cuz you are a "real" woman.....and "you can".
Fat, Stupid and trading sex for bagles is no way to live hon.
Kisses
Jenice Bay
(Stent Model)
http://www.jenicebay.com
Jennifer Usher
Oh well, dream on. You have your fantasies, and I have my reality. I
honestly pity you.
Jennifer Usher