Another Sad Story...
Willow
Jennifer Usher
"Willow" <pang...@telus.net> wrote in message
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> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/28/mike-penner-dead-la-times_n_372751.html
>
> So sad....
Given that he realized that transition was a mistake, returned to his former
life, apparently was abandoned by those who supported him as long as he was
"Christine," and was not allowed to live down his previous decision, it is
not totally surprising. Publically transitioning is never a good idea, but
it is regularly pushed by the transgender activists.
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Jennifer Usher
Willow
> Given that he realized that transition was a mistake, returned to his former
> life, apparently was abandoned by those who supported him as long as he was
> "Christine," and was not allowed to live down his previous decision, it is
> not totally surprising. Publically transitioning is never a good idea, but
> it is regularly pushed by the transgender activists.
For once - actually several times more over time - we are in
agreement.
I have little doubt that his very public decision to transition
followed by his return to male - in a very male world - must have been
a real shaker. I cannot see his male collegues making that an eacy
thing to do. I have no idea if this was pushed by activists, but it
was clearly a mistake.
Willow
fluffybunnie
> On Nov 28, 8:57?pm, "Jennifer Usher" <jennisu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Given that he realized that transition was a mistake, returned to his former
>> life, apparently was abandoned by those who supported him as long as he was
>> "Christine," and was not allowed to live down his previous decision, it is
>> it is regularly pushed by the transgender activists.
>
> For once - actually several times more over time - we are in
> agreement.
>
> I have little doubt that his very public decision to transition
> followed by his return to male - in a very male world - must have been
> a real shaker. I cannot see his male collegues making that an eacy
> thing to do. I have no idea if this was pushed by activists, but it
> was clearly a mistake.
>
Actually the article says, "The Times said in a story Saturday Penner
was believed to have committed suicide.". Not the most conclusive statement.
It isn't unusual for people to jump to conclusions, esp when it comes
to a group with which they have little empathy. Not saying they did,
just that this far from proof that s/he committed suicide (pronoun
ambiguous because I have no idea how the subject actually identified).
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Jennifer Usher
> On Nov 28, 8:57 pm, "Jennifer Usher" <jennisu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Given that he realized that transition was a mistake, returned to his
>> former
>> life, apparently was abandoned by those who supported him as long as he
>> was
>> "Christine," and was not allowed to live down his previous decision, it
>> is
>> not totally surprising. Publically transitioning is never a good idea,
>> but
>> it is regularly pushed by the transgender activists.
> For once - actually several times more over time - we are in
> agreement.
Personally, I would not go anywhere near that far.
> I have little doubt that his very public decision to transition
> followed by his return to male - in a very male world - must have been
> a real shaker. I cannot see his male collegues making that an eacy
> thing to do. I have no idea if this was pushed by activists, but it
> was clearly a mistake.
From everything I have read, he broke off contact with the transgender
activists who had rallied around him when he transitioned. And it appears
they tried to maintain contact even though he turned them away. I have to
wonder if they were not trying to pressure him to return to what he had
already decided was a mistake.
It is interesting that Arune agrees that a public transition is a mistake,
as that is exactly what Arune did.
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Jennifer Usher
Willow
Now Usher...
Did I say anything negative about you in my post? No, I did not.
But you could not resist the temptation to get in a little dig, could
you. See what we mean about your behaviour?
Willow
Jennifer Usher
Interesting. I merely pointed out a fact, something that Willy Boy cannot
deny, something that is very well documented, and Willy Boy reacts like
this. This simply proves my point. He thinks he is above challenge and
should be allowed to post without anything he might not like being pointed
out.
I guess, to quote the classic line, "He can't handle the truth."
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Jennifer Usher
fluffybunnie
>
> I guess, to quote the classic line, "He can't handle the truth."
>
How macho of you, Lardo.
Willow
My "facts" are vastly different from your "facts". It is stupid to
insult a person and then calim you are only stating "facts" when you
have no idea of what the truth is.
I can indeed handle the truth. The problem is that you never write
it...
As above, your behaviour is the problem.
Willow
sillyputty
> > For once - actually several times more over time - we are in
> > agreement.
>
> Personally, I would not go anywhere near that far.
clearly want to continue the bickering. As Willow said, you try to
find any way to disagree and insult.
JenniferFlusher
> Baiting. Willow appears to be offering an olive branch, but you
> clearly want to continue the bickering. As Willow said, you try to
> find any way to disagree and insult.
Well now you did it. You "Disagreed With Usher".
That means he'll be declaring you a "Diane" now because in Usherland
anybody who disagrees with him is DIane. Heaven forbid that there
might be more than one person who actually didn't agree with him!
I guess we're all Diane now.
Jennifer Usher
> Usher - grow up.
>
> My "facts" are vastly different from your "facts". It is stupid to
> insult a person and then calim you are only stating "facts" when you
> have no idea of what the truth is.
Actually, facts are facts. As I said, the public transition of Willy Boy is
well documented, from the newspaper article he used to post a lot to his
claims of having optioned his story for a movie. Of course, I suppose that
project died along with Divine...who else could have played him? And that
is not to mention Willy Boy making himself the poster child for Blanchard
and Bailey, and there absurd theories. And then there are his very public
battles with Andrea James, Lynn Conway and others.
> I can indeed handle the truth. The problem is that you never write
> it...
ROTFL! Given the number of times Willy Boy has been caught in deliberate
lies, that is downright hilarious.
> As above, your behaviour is the problem.
Yes, I suppose speaking the truth is a problem for Willy Boy.
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Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
"sillyputty" <karmic...@2die4.com> wrote in message
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Oh good grief! No, I would simply not go anywhere near that far. That is a
simple statement of fact. I know where I stand on the issue, and I have a
pretty good idea where Willy Boy stands. It is pretty unlikely that we
actually agree on that much.
But this is an example of what I have said. I actually disagreed relatively
amicably, because, for once, he was being relatively amicable. But, since I
did not make a fawning post, I get slammed.
If I don't agree, I am not going to lie and say I do. And quite honestly, I
would not expect anyone else to that either.
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Jennifer Usher
sillyputty
> Oh good grief! No, I would simply not go anywhere near that far.
That is a
> simple statement of fact. I know where I stand on the issue, and I have a
> pretty good idea where Willy Boy stands. It is pretty unlikely that we
> actually agree on that much.
an insult.
sillyputty
> Well now you did it. You "Disagreed With Usher".
> That means he'll be declaring you a "Diane" now because in Usherland
> anybody who disagrees with him is DIane. Heaven forbid that there
> might be more than one person who actually didn't agree with him!
>
> I guess we're all Diane now.
in combat for eternity.
I clearly remember when Usher first posted in this group, before it
became defunct. When I, and at least one other person I knew,
disagreed with her we were called "bigots." She apparently comes from
a conservative, Baptist background. And like most fundamentalists, she
just could not stand anyone disagreeing with her.
Jennifer Usher
> Calling a post-op transsexual woman a "boy" and using male pronouns is
> an insult.
Actually, I would tend to agree. However, the person in question, while
"post-op" was never a transsexual (it could be argued that he is now, in the
form of an effective FTM) and is not a woman.
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Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
> It reminds me of the Star Trek episode where two entities were locked
> in combat for eternity.
ROTFL! As you wish. BTW, Goat Boy's silliness aside, I have no reason to
think you might be Diane.
> I clearly remember when Usher first posted in this group, before it
> became defunct. When I, and at least one other person I knew,
> disagreed with her we were called "bigots." She apparently comes from
> a conservative, Baptist background. And like most fundamentalists, she
> just could not stand anyone disagreeing with her.
Now, since I have no idea who you are, I cannot really address the veracity
of your claim directly. But, I don't call people bigots for just
disagreeing with me. I know some who will hide behind such a claim, in
order to avoid facing their own bigotry. And quite the contrary, I have no
problem with someone disagreeing with me. On the other hand, making remarks
about someone's supposed religious background, and using terms like
"fundamentalist" as an insult, well....that, I hate to break it to you, is
pretty darned bigoted.
I realize the subtlety of this is lost on you, but that is what makes it so
darned entertaining.
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Jennifer Usher
sillyputty
> > I clearly remember when Usher first posted in this group, before
it
> > became defunct. When I, and at least one other person I knew,
> > disagreed with her we were called "bigots." She apparently comes from
> > a conservative, Baptist background. And like most fundamentalists, she
> > just could not stand anyone disagreeing with her.
>
> Now, since I have no idea who you are, I cannot really address the veracity
> of your claim directly. But, I don't call people bigots for just
> disagreeing with me. I know some who will hide behind such a claim, in
> order to avoid facing their own bigotry. And quite the contrary, I have no
> problem with someone disagreeing with me. On the other hand, making remarks
> about someone's supposed religious background, and using terms like
> "fundamentalist" as an insult, well....that, I hate to break it to you, is
> pretty darned bigoted.
the vast majority of fundamentalists are antithetical to GLBT rights
and think trans people are "sinners," tampering with what God created,
etc.
As for not having a problem with someone disagreeing with you - that
doesn't seem to be the case with Willow.
Jennifer Usher
No, you are making an unsubtantiated claim that can neither be proven or
disproven and which is therefore worthless.
Now, you may choose to identify as "trans," I do not. And since I am not G,
L, B or T, that is not of direct concern to me. No, I do not agree with
those who are antithetical to GLBT rights. Living where I do, I have quite
a few friends who happen to be gay or lesbian. Ironically, for what it is
worth, I found that many people you would label as fundamentalist (and some
who would call themselves that), are quite accepting of transsexualism once
they understand that it is a medical condition and not simply a "lifestyle
choice." Yes, there are some who still refuse to understand, but far less
than you would imagine.
> As for not having a problem with someone disagreeing with you - that
> doesn't seem to be the case with Willow.
My problems with Willy Boy have nothing to do with simple disagreement.
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Jennifer Usher
sillyputty
> Now, you may choose to identify as "trans," I do not.
biologically transsexual. You are not a genetic female. Refusing to
believe that is self-deception (I suspect you have a lot of that going
on in your life).
> And since I am not G,
> L, B or T, that is not of direct concern to me. No, I do not agree with
> those who are antithetical to GLBT rights. Living where I do, I have quite
> a few friends who happen to be gay or lesbian. Ironically, for what it is
> worth, I found that many people you would label as fundamentalist (and some
> who would call themselves that), are quite accepting of transsexualism once
> they understand that it is a medical condition and not simply a "lifestyle
> choice." Yes, there are some who still refuse to understand, but far less
> than you would imagine.
I disagree. Go to any religious right website, forum, or
fundamentalist church and you'll find the majority believe GLBT people
are "sinners" and going against "God's plan." I do agree that once one
gets to know GLBT folks their opposition mellows and they may become
accepting, but they are in the minority.
> My problems with Willy Boy have nothing to do with simple disagreement.
Yes, you have an obsession.
Jennifer Usher
> On Dec 1, 6:20 am, "Jennifer Usher" <jennisu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Now, you may choose to identify as "trans," I do not.
> It's fine not to identify as trans, but if you are post-op you are
> biologically transsexual. You are not a genetic female. Refusing to
> believe that is self-deception (I suspect you have a lot of that going
> on in your life).
Ah, so now you are choosing to be insulting. Ah, hypocrisy.... No, I don't
claim to be a "genetic female." Actually, I have no idea what my karotype
is.
>> And since I am not G,
>> L, B or T, that is not of direct concern to me. No, I do not agree with
>> those who are antithetical to GLBT rights. Living where I do, I have
>> quite
>> a few friends who happen to be gay or lesbian. Ironically, for what it is
>> worth, I found that many people you would label as fundamentalist (and
>> some
>> who would call themselves that), are quite accepting of transsexualism
>> once
>> they understand that it is a medical condition and not simply a
>> "lifestyle
>> choice." Yes, there are some who still refuse to understand, but far less
>> than you would imagine.
> I disagree. Go to any religious right website, forum, or
> fundamentalist church and you'll find the majority believe GLBT people
> are "sinners" and going against "God's plan." I do agree that once one
> gets to know GLBT folks their opposition mellows and they may become
> accepting, but they are in the minority.
While it is possible, perhaps even probable that a majority of
fundamentalists do not know, or are at least unaware that they know, someome
who is LGBT, they do tend to become more accepting of individuals. And yes,
a lot of people do think LGBT people are going against the will of God.
However, as I said, many (by no means all) can be persuaded that
transsexualism, which is not a type of being transgender, are not sinning if
presented with the facts.
>> My problems with Willy Boy have nothing to do with simple disagreement.
Yes, you have an obsession.
No, not at all. If he stopped posting here today, I would quickly forget
him. I would not mention him, unless someone brought him up, and probably
not even then. On the other hand, when I was not posting here, he continued
dwelling on me, and he continues to bring up Sue Anne, who has not posted
here in sometime. Now, that is obsession.
Let me put it this way....I am no more obsessed with Willy Boy than you are
with me...and probably even less so.
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Jennifer Usher
sillyputty
> Ah, so now you are choosing to be insulting. Ah, hypocrisy....
No, I don't
> claim to be a "genetic female." Actually, I have no idea what my karotype
> is.
read. If you're not a genetic female, then you are a trans woman. You
may not identify as one, but the fact remains.
> Let me put it this way....I am no more obsessed with Willy Boy than
you are
> with me...and probably even less so.
Let's see...you continue to post in a defunct group, replying to every
post that Willow makes, whether he mentions you, or implies it's about
you, or not. And this has gone on for YEARS. All you have to do is
stop posting, but you won't. Sounds obsessive to me.
Jennifer Usher
> On Dec 1, 6:36 pm, "Jennifer Usher" <jennisu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Ah, so now you are choosing to be insulting. Ah, hypocrisy....
>> No, I don't
>> claim to be a "genetic female." Actually, I have no idea what my karotype
>> is.
> Not being insulting. Just making an observation based on what I've
> read. If you're not a genetic female, then you are a trans woman. You
> may not identify as one, but the fact remains.
I am a woman, period. "Trans woman" is an identity that some adopt, but I
refuse to do so.
>> Let me put it this way....I am no more obsessed with Willy Boy than
>> you are
>> with me...and probably even less so.
> Let's see...you continue to post in a defunct group, replying to every
> post that Willow makes, whether he mentions you, or implies it's about
> you, or not. And this has gone on for YEARS. All you have to do is
> stop posting, but you won't. Sounds obsessive to me.
Well, then I might ask why you are here, if the group is defunct? And no, I
don't reply to every post of his. Most, yes, but not every post.
And I am going to ask a very simple question....why do I have to be the one
to stop posting? Why doesn't Willy Boy stop? Why not Goat Boy? Why are
you here? Why is it obsessive when I do it, but okay when others do?
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Jennifer Usher
Willow
You may note that I use "Usher" - not any other pronoun or noun. I
keep my opinion of what Usher is to myself. That is done to avoid
what I consider to be the penultimate insult directed at anyone who is
or who claims to be transsexual. And yes, "claims to be" as in most
support groups, a claim is all that can be made and that is
religiously followed. One's opinions on theory or the state of
Chinese food do not determine that status. And, as was once said, if
one is not transsexual before SRS, one most certainly is after.
Enough said on that sorry topic.
As to one statement, I cannot believe that anyone would claim that
Christian (claimed, again) fundamentalists are more accepting of
GLBT. That is simply a very silly statement, but it clearly shows
Usher will use any lie to defend anything Usher does. Any short trip
to fundamentalist sites shows what they think of GLBT people. True,
Pat Robinson once got caught on an open line and stated that
transsexuals had a "hormone condition" or some such, but that is
contrasted with many other negative statements.
I say "Black"; Usher says "White". That actually applies to not just
me, but to anyone else, as is shown above. It matters not what the
statement is. Like a trout jumping to a fly, Usher's response can be
predicted easily, without fail. Sad, really, as that defeats any
attempt at reasonable discussion.
Funny. Pathetic....
Willow
P.S. Usher's ramora, Sue Anne Robins, supposedly got very upset when
I suggested this group was a silly "game". How could anyone think it
is not?
Jennifer Usher
> Ah dear - Usher trying to justify Usher's behaviour is indeed funny...
>
> You may note that I use "Usher" - not any other pronoun or noun. I
> keep my opinion of what Usher is to myself. That is done to avoid
> what I consider to be the penultimate insult directed at anyone who is
> or who claims to be transsexual. And yes, "claims to be" as in most
> support groups, a claim is all that can be made and that is
> religiously followed. One's opinions on theory or the state of
> Chinese food do not determine that status. And, as was once said, if
> one is not transsexual before SRS, one most certainly is after.
> Enough said on that sorry topic.
Willy Boy can call me whatever he wishes. My identity is quite secure and
my womanhood is not subject to his approval. And yes, that has been
said...by me, several times here.
> As to one statement, I cannot believe that anyone would claim that
> Christian (claimed, again) fundamentalists are more accepting of
> GLBT. That is simply a very silly statement, but it clearly shows
> Usher will use any lie to defend anything Usher does. Any short trip
> to fundamentalist sites shows what they think of GLBT people. True,
> Pat Robinson once got caught on an open line and stated that
> transsexuals had a "hormone condition" or some such, but that is
> contrasted with many other negative statements.
Now, this is what is called a "straw man argument." I have, of course, not
made any such claim. In fact, that is specifically contrary to what I just
said. But that does not stop Willy Boy from making up something,
attributing it to me, and the proceeding to attack that, rather than what I
said. Oh well, as I said, this is the sort of thing that makes him just so
darn entertaining.
> I say "Black"; Usher says "White". That actually applies to not just
> me, but to anyone else, as is shown above. It matters not what the
> statement is. Like a trout jumping to a fly, Usher's response can be
> predicted easily, without fail. Sad, really, as that defeats any
> attempt at reasonable discussion.
ROTFL! So, Willy Boy not only claims to be trolling, he brags about it.
Granted, I do tend to disagree with him, as he tends to be so incredibly,
and invincibly ignorant. Reasonable discussion would require that Willy Boy
be remotely reasonable....but making straw arguments is sort of contrary to
that.
> Funny. Pathetic....
>
> Willow
Yes, Willy Boy is funny and pathetic.
> P.S. Usher's ramora, Sue Anne Robins, supposedly got very upset when
> I suggested this group was a silly "game". How could anyone think it
> is not?
Well, I certainly see it that way...and it is fun watching Willy Boy as he
continues to be a complete loser at it. And incredibly, and amazingly
ignorant of just how absurd he really is.
--
Jennifer Usher
JenniferFlusher
> A good start for both of you, if I may <butt> in, would be to call each
> other by your chosen nyms and refrain from using potentially offensive
> pronoun gender
Are you daft?
This has been going on for years. Things can't be made right. You
aren't the only person to come to this miraculous conclusion - all
parties know this. No One Cares.
Give us a break and lay off the "good ideas". Geez.
Hey ...maybe you can give the Taliban and U.S. forces a ring and, you
know, make a few suggestions about they might all get along as well.
I'm sure it would help out the mid east situation and all
sillyputty
> "sillyputty" <karmictara...@2die4.com> wrote in message
> Well, then I might ask why you are here, if the group is defunct?
still at each other's throats.
> And I am going to ask a very simple question....why do I have to be the one
> to stop posting?
This reminds me of two kids on a playground who are always fighting
each other and when a teacher tries to make them stop one will say,
"I won't hit him/her if he/she will stop hitting me!" Of course, the
last one hit will strike the other one, who will cry, "See! He (or
she) won't stop hitting me!" Thereby perpetuating the cycle.
> Why is it obsessive when I do it, but okay when others do?
I'm not saying they aren't obsessive. But why continually give in to
someone's goating and lower yourself to their level?
And as to your claim that you spend little time here: I bet if you
added up all the time, over the years, that you've spent responding to
Willow it would probably be weeks, if not months, in total.
JenniferFlusher
> And as to your claim that you spend little time here: I bet if you
> added up all the time, over the years, that you've spent responding to
> Willow it would probably be weeks, if not months, in total.
Usher has been documented as having written over 27,000 messages in
this forum alone. So much for his claim that he spends little time
here.
Here's a helpful hint: Everything Usher says is a lie. Everything
Jennifer Usher
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> When a public figure transitions, the transition is almost by nature a
> public one. I think in that case, I would rather be upfront about it
> than trying to skulk in shadows that simply do not exist in the
> limelight of a prominent position. The alternative would be to leave a
> successful career and responsibilities to others and start from scratch.
> Not such a simple choice for some people.
It would not be difficult for such a person to simply pick up, relocate,
change their name, and start over. Yes, they would wind up taking a cut in
income, they might well lose contact with friends and family, but it would
allow them privacy. For someone who actually wants to be a woman, and not
just another TG, it is the only choice.
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Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
<FutureG...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> A good start for both of you, if I may <butt> in, would be to call each
> other by your chosen nyms and refrain from using potentially offensive
> pronoun gender. That little change right there would lessen the
> offensive slant of your posts considerably. I don't know any "Willie
> Boy" or "Lardo" or "Tommy boy". There is a Willow here, and a Jennifer.
> And you are both living as women and posting as women. So how about at
> least having the respect to address each other with consideration and
> likewise refer to each other inoffensively?
> </butt>
>
> Apologies for the rant.
You may feel free to butt in as long as you can accept that I am going to
politely decline to take your advice.
Quite simply, yes, I do live as a woman. Arune really does not. He lives
as the local transgender.
The key word here is "respect." I have none for Arune, or for the other
idiot posting here under the completely laughable name "Fluffy Bunny." He
is neither fluffy, nor does the word "bunny remotely fit.
Yes, I knew that person. There was no question that he was transgender.
Everyone clocked him immediately. In the past, by his own admission, he did
not know I was not born female. He got mad at me because I refused to
acknowledge that he is "as much of a woman" as any post-op even though he is
avowedly, and obnoxiously, non-op.
When I refer to him, I refer to him as "Goat Boy."
Oh, and all of their silliness of calling me a man, claiming I have no had
SRS, and generally posting their other lies, don't really bother me. I have
Goat Boy in my kill file. He acts like a five year old who is not getting
the attention he thinks he deserves, but I ignore him. I only respond to
something he says if someone else quotes him. Otherwise, I never see his
posts. I also ignore his sock puppet "Jennifer Flusher." He occasionally
changes his user name in an attempt to get attention, but it quickly fails.
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Jennifer Usher
JenniferFlusher
> relocate, change their name, and start over. ...
> For someone who actually wants to be a woman, and not just another TG,
> it is the only choice.
Really?
How does this explain YOUR working at UCSF CAPS (Center for Aids
Prevention) as an openly transgendered person?
Opps - my bad you we're talking about people who actually transitioned
to being female. For a moment there I thought you were talking from
personal experience.
Jennifer Usher
> On Dec 1, 7:56 pm, "Jennifer Usher" <jennisu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "sillyputty" <karmictara...@2die4.com> wrote in message
>> Well, then I might ask why you are here, if the group is defunct?
> I view this forum occasionally mainly to see if you and Willow are
> still at each other's throats.
Okay...
>> And I am going to ask a very simple question....why do I have to be the
>> one
>> to stop posting?
> This reminds me of two kids on a playground who are always fighting
> each other and when a teacher tries to make them stop one will say,
> "I won't hit him/her if he/she will stop hitting me!" Of course, the
> last one hit will strike the other one, who will cry, "See! He (or
> she) won't stop hitting me!" Thereby perpetuating the cycle.
Okay... I won't deny that is a reasonable view. Not quite accurate, but
not unreasonable.
>> Why is it obsessive when I do it, but okay when others do?
> I'm not saying they aren't obsessive. But why continually give in to
> someone's goating and lower yourself to their level?
I have my reasons. I have explained them any times.
> And as to your claim that you spend little time here: I bet if you
> added up all the time, over the years, that you've spent responding to
> Willow it would probably be weeks, if not months, in total.
It might add up to several days, but not really much more. And lately, you
would be good to add it up to more than an hour or two.
--
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
<FutureG...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ehsgh5tqjfk7psugq...@4ax.com...
>>Are you daft?
>>This has been going on for years. Things can't be made right. You
>>aren't the only person to come to this miraculous conclusion - all
>>parties know this. No One Cares.
>
> And you prefer it this way?
Very likely, he does.
>>Give us a break and lay off the "good ideas". Geez.
>>Hey ...maybe you can give the Taliban and U.S. forces a ring and, you
>>know, make a few suggestions about they might all get along as well.
>>I'm sure it would help out the mid east situation and all
>
> I could try but the line is probably busy. :o\
Probably is.
--
Jennifer Usher
Willow
Usher has never met me, Usher has no idea of how I live my life at
all.
Usher has never followed the normal bounds of courtesy. That is a
major reason why this NG is as it is.
Now watch. Usher will as always say that Usher's lack of civility is
due to X or Y, and Usher is "entitled to her opinion". Well, we all
have opinions to which each of us is entitled. Normally that does not
bar civil behaviour. Indeed, it is a strong reason for having it.
Willow
Hautebebe
> "sillyputty" <karmictara...@2die4.com> wrote in message
>
> news:a01f0327-7e3b-4511...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Dec 1, 6:20 am, "Jennifer Usher" <jennisu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Now, you may choose to identify as "trans," I do not.
> > It's fine not to identify as trans, but if you are post-op you are
> > biologically transsexual. You are not a genetic female. Refusing to
> > believe that is self-deception (I suspect you have a lot of that going
> > on in your life).
>
> Ah, so now you are choosing to be insulting. Ah, hypocrisy.... No, I don't
> claim to be a "genetic female." Actually, I have no idea what my karotype
> is.
Them's the facts, man. And you're not post-op, either, making you
queer as shit. Not, "LGBT," indeed!
JenniferFlusher
> And you are not even willing to try? To each give the other what you
> might call the benefit of the doubt? In public, one often addresses
> another with courtesy and the tokens of respect even when one does not
> like or truly respect the other.
The concept of the inept and clueless "Internet Peacemaker" has been
mocked thousands of times in any internet piece that deals with either
stereotypical users and/or trolls. And rightly so so I won't go that
well trod old ground again.
> Why not here? Is a display of maturity
> and dignity unseemly in this newsgroup?
Which parallel universe are you getting your newsfeed from exactly?
JenniferFlusher
>
> Them's the facts, man. And you're not post-op, either, making you
> queer as shit. Not, "LGBT," indeed!
Usher has always been a self hating Neanderthal fearful of his own
homosexuality. In his comically awful transvestite novella , still
distributed on the INternet and wacked off to monthly I imagine, he
portrays his main character Jennifer, a transvestite being punished for
his "sins", , as someone who must be punished for his feelings of
wanting to be a woman.
In a telling and comically pitiful last chapter, his main character
gets his last wish - to be able to dress however he likes - and then
proceeds to worries the rest of the evening about what he will wear -
to his hanging the next morning. Does that not say it all? Is that
the fantasy of a transsexual or rather a misogynistic homosexual man
unable to cope with his own feelings and desiring nothing more than
death for any feelings he considers too "womanly"?
So Thomas wrote himself a new piece of fiction - that he is a
transsexual and further that he actually had SRS. Further, takes it a
step further and rationalizes that he has a medical condition he made
up called "Harry Benjamin Syndrome" that FORCES him to be a woman -
which makes it OK?
And where does this pathology lead him to as a "woman"? It leads him
to a dead end life in a State sponsored half-way house for indigent men
and a lowly state-sponsored job as an office clerk in an office that
deals with transgendered AIDS research. . He is incapable of getting
any other job because of his appearance and personality issues.
He imagines that one Canadian poster who has a family and house to be a
derelict without friends. He imagines a transgendered poster living her
live in Georgia to be really a man who cannot pass in the world and he
imagines a poster who transitioned in her 20's with an active sex life
still to be someone with a horribly botched surgery - no doubt with a
Quasimodo lump in her vagina as well. This is Thomas Usher's world - a
world of his own making .
Another Sad story indeed...
fluffybunnie
I found bits of Lardo's TV fiction, as well as some critique of it
at http://tinyurl.com/yfebpp7 and at http://tinyurl.com/yzwcast.
Here, for your amusement, is one chapter of the writing of
Thomas "Jennifer" Usher, aka the Man Who Would Be Uber Trannie:
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Chapter Five
The End Approaches The final week on death row seemed to
last
forever. Oddly, eventhough each day brought here closer to the
gallows, she
simply wanted it allto end. The real torture was the wait. Finally, it
was
the day before herhanging. She awoke early, and sat quietly in her
cell,
waiting for 11:00a.m. to arrive. She still had her doubts that about
the
next
24 hours. Sheexpected to be told that it was all a cruel joke and that
she
would actuallybe hung dressed as a male. Still somehow, she knew
should
would
make itthrough all this. Suddenly, she heard approaching footsteps,
looking
up
atthe clock, she realized it was 11:00 and she knew they were coming
for
her.
The warden was accompanied by two large guards. He stepped into
hercell.
"Well, it is time to go over to the holding area. We have some
finaldetails,
and then you will be turned over to the Female Death Watch." "What
details?" she asked. The warden opened a folder one of the guards had
handed him. "I have to read you your death warrant at this time," he
replied. Clearing his throat, he began reading from the document:
"'To the warden of the State Penitentiary, you are hereby orderedto
deliver
Jennifer Suzanne Sanders to the lawfully appointed executionerfor the
state.
At
the hour of 12:00 Noon, at the place appointed for publicexecutions It
is
further ordered by the authority of the governor of thisstate that
Jennifer
Suzanne Sanders the lawfully appointed execution, havingtaken custody
of the
prisoner is to cause him to be hung by the neck untildead as the
proper and
just punishment for the crime of public crossdressingand for being a
transvestite. Let it further be ordered that he is to thenbe allowed
to
continue to hang for a period of not less than one hour, toboth ensure
that
he
is legally serve as an example to all who mightconsider committing
such a
crime.' Now, if you are ready, it is time to go." "Okay," she said.
"Is Becky coming?" He looked a bit uncomfortable. "Yes, you will have
an
hour at 3:30." Then, the guards stepped in, and helped her to her
feet.
As shestood, she realized that she was now, really, legally Jennifer
SuzanneSanders. How ironic that the first time she was legally called
by
thatname, it was the reading of her death warrant. They led her out of
the
cellblock, and out into the courtyard. She was shocked to discover
that it
wasfilled with prisoners, who lined the walkway leading to the gate in
the
wallseparating the men's section from the women's prison. Some simply
stared,while others jeered and mocked her. When they reached the gate,
she
heardlocks click into the open position, and the door opened. She was
led
acrossanother courtyard, but it was empty. "For security reasons, the
women are locked down. We'll let them backout after you are in the
condemned
section." the warden explained. They approached a smaller building
built
next to the prison wall. Asign over the door identified it as the
"Women's
Condemned Holding Area." Asmaller sign read "Authorized personnel
only. No
unauthorized males allowedpast entrance lobby." One of the guards
stepped
forward and opened the door, and the wardenand the other guard led
Jennifer
in.
They were standing in a small areathat had another door leading into
the
rest
of the building. "This is a far as we can go at this time. Now, if you
will removeyour clothes, and step through that door, you can begin
preparing
fortomorrow." the warden said. "Remove my clothes? Why?" Jennifer
responded. "You cannot wear them past this area. You will understand
in
amoment. Now, please strip, and step through that door." he replied.
"Afterthis point, you will be treated as any female prisoner would
be. In
theircase, of course, they would have been brought in by female
guards. But
eventhey are required to remove their prison uniforms at this point
also."
"Can I at least have some privacy?" Jennifer asked. "I am sorry, but
you
must be under observation at all times, nowplease, you must proceed."
Even
though she was mortified at the lack of privacy, she was relievedto be
able
to
get out of the prison uniform. Still, she was puzzled at thestrange
turn of
events. After she had removed her clothing, one of theguards opened
the
door,
but she could not see into the room. It was quitedark in there. "Step
in
please," he said. Reluctantly, she stepped through the door, which
shut
behind her. Asit shut, the lights in the room began to slowing come
up.
When
she turnedand looked, she could not see where the door she had come
through
was. Asshe looked about the room she saw that she was in what appeared
to be
anicely appointed dressing area. The pink dress she had requested was
laidout,
along with her bra, panties, and slip on the chaise lounge. In
thecenter of
the room, there were also a pair of very pretty, and verycomfortable
looking
chairs with a table between them. On the other side ofthe room from
the
lounge, was a very pretty vanity, with makeup and hairproducts. There
was
also
a three way mirror on one wall. She noticed asmaller room, which
contained a
lovely antique tub which was filled withwater. There were also towels,
and
an
assortment of feminine soaps andlotions. And to one side, there was a
toilet
and a sink with a mirror. Oddlyenough, there only seemed to be one
door
leading
out, and it was on theopposite side from where she had come
it. Apparently,
the entrance from theprison was hidden on this side. Of course, no one
would
ever be going backthat way anyway. Suddenly, she was startled by the
sound
of the door opening. Inwalked a very attractive young woman, wearing a
pale
pink uniform. Itdidn't look that much like a prison guard's uniform.
Instead
it looked likea nurse's uniform. This struck Jennifer as rather odd.
"Hi,
I'm Mary, and I'm the head of the Female Death Watch. You mustbe
Jennifer."
Chapter Seven
The Female Death Watch Jennifer was unsure what to do. Here
she
was standing naked with afemale guard. She started to turn away.
"Don't
worry Jennifer, you don't have anything I haven't seen. Allprisoners
are
delivered to us naked. We provide a comforting time prior
totheir....final
moments, and you're not to be treated any differently. Asfar as I am
concerned, you're just another female prisoner that I am to
carefor. Now,
let's get you started. First, you should get in the tub, andbathe,
then get
dressed." Somehow, this was all very different than she had expected.
She
hadsomehow expected the female guards would be the same as the male
guards,only
female. Mary was young, close to her own age, and she seemed
genuinelyconcerned. "No, Jennifer, I am not the stereotypical prison
matron
I know you wereexpecting," Mary said, seeming to read Jennifer's
thoughts.
"For me, thisis a ministry. I try to help the unfortunate souls who
come
through here toleave this world a little more peacefully. As to your
situation, when Iheard about your case, I decided to do some
research. I
read
everything Icould on transvestitism, transsexualism, and such. To be
honest, I
don'tbelieve you deserve to die, but I cannot stop that. So, I am
doing the
nextbest thing, I am trying to make it as easy an experience as I
can. Now,
asI said, the first thing we need to do is get you cleaned up. You
look
anawful sight after all this time in the men's section." Jennifer
allowed
Mary to lead her to the tub, and lowered herself in.She found the
water to
be
perfect. Mary asked her which scent she preferredand choose a soap in
that
scent, and began helping Jennifer bathe. It wasthe first real bath she
had
since her arrest, and she almost forgot hersituation. Then she began
washing
Jennifer's hair. Next Mary handed her arazor, and Jennifer began
shaving
her
legs, and underarms. It felt good tobe rid of the hair that had begun
growing
back during here time in prison.Years before, she had undergone
electrolysis,
so facial hair was not aproblem. Finally, she rinsed off, and dried
her
body,
and her hair. Whenshe was finished, Mary gently led her back to the
other
room.. "Now, get dressed, so you can meet the rest of the death watch
crew.She went back into the chaise lounge, and slipped on the panties.
Thesmooth fabric felt wonderful against her skin. The she began
slipping
intothe bra. Because of all the hormones she had taken, it fit
perfectly.
Shefelt a rush of pleasure as she had pulled on the pantyhose. They
were
arelatively expensive brand, and the material felt very silky and
sheer.
Theshe
put on the slip, enjoying the wonderful feel of the cool sleek
fabricagainst
her skin. Then she began putting on the pink dress. It fitperfectly
After
she
finished putting on her jewelry she stepped into theshoes, Mary came
over,
and
guided her to the mirrors. "My, you are so lovely," she said.
Jennifer stood admiring the image in the mirror, and thought how
muchshe
looked
like she had on that horrible day when she was arrested. Marysmiled
and
asked,
"Would you like to put on some makeup?" "Yes," Jennifer replied, and
she
sat down at the vanity. They hadprovided everything she had asked for
She
quickly applied foundation,powder, blush, eye shadow, and
mascara. Then,
she
finished with herfavorite lipstick. She sat back, and was very pleased
with
the results. Asshe got up, she discovered that two other female guards
had
joined them. This is Peggy, and this is Elizabeth," Mary said. They
are
the restof your death watch. At least one of us will be with you at
all
times,
fromnow until Noon tomorrow." Peggy was an older woman, who looked
like
someone's grandmother.Elizabeth looked about Mary's age. They were
both
dressed in the same pinkuniform Mary wore." "Pleased to meet you,"
Peggy
said. "If there's anything you need, just ask," Elizabeth said.
"Now,
ladies, if you will excuse us, I'll fill Jennifer in on
theprocedures."
The other two guards stepped back out. Mary sat down in one of thetwo
chairs,
and indicated that Jennifer should sit in the other. Elizabethstepped
back
in
with an ashtray, and Jennifer's new purse. After shepresented them to
Jennifer, she again left her and Mary alone. "Well, I hope every thing
has
been pleasant so far, Jennifer." Marybegan. "As much as can be
expected."
"We each have a specific job. Peggy handles any medical
needs,Elizabeth's
job is to see that you have whatever you want that is
consideredreasonable,
and
I'm here to provide emotional support. Now, you can have acigarette
and
talk,
and then I will show you the rest of the facility." Jennifer opened
the
purse, and inside was a matching cigarette pouch.There were also some
tissues,
and a compact and lipstick. She opened thepouch, and was pleased to
find
that
the cigarettes were her brand. Mary saw the surprise on Jennifer's
face,
and said, "We do ourresearch well. We find out as much as possible
about
the
condemned, andthen provide what we can." Jennifer offered one to Mary,
who
declined. She then took out one forherself, and lit it. It surprised
her
that
she had not really thought aboutbeing denied cigarettes, but she
realized
she
has been too scared to thinkabout. For a moment she was able to forget
what
awaited her the next day,and it felt wonderful to be in comfortable
clothes,
and in such a pleasantplace. "This is all so lovely," Jennifer said.
"We do our best to make a woman's last day as pleasant as possible.As
you
know,
the powers that be will show no leniency in sentencing, butthey insist
on
certain mercies for members of the fairer sex," Mary replied. "I am
surprised that I'm receiving that. I mean, I am seen as such aterrible
person," Jennifer said. "Well, the judge thinks that this is a
humiliation. In his mind, thisis some sort of twisted revenge. But for
us,
this is another opportunity tominister to a needy soul." "I appreciate
that, but I still don't understand. You seem such akind person. How
could
you
be involved in the process of executing people?" "Jennifer, I hate the
harshness of our society's legal system. Ithink it terrible that so
many
are
executed for what were once relativelyminor crimes. Personally, in
your
case,
I think you have done nothingworthy of hanging. I entered corrections
to
help
people, but that isdifficult, if not impossible in our current
society, so I
found a way I canprovide some small mercy to those facing the ultimate
penalty.
I really amhere to make you as comfortable as possible in your final
moments.
Ofcourse, as I said, all of this will be presented to the public as
part
ofyour
humiliation." When Jennifer had finished her cigarette, Mary said,
"Come
on, I'llshow you the rest of the facility." She led Jennifer out into
the
hallway. Across the hall from thedressing area was a small kitchen,
where
Elizabeth was busy cooking. Then,further down the hall, were two more
doors.
To the right was a bedroomarea. There was a very feminine daybed, with
a
pink
satin comforter. Onthe walls were paintings of roses, and ballet
slippers.
It
was wonderful. Again, Mary smiled, and said, "We did our research
well,
didn't we?We found out that you are partial to roses, and that you
like
ballet,
andthat ballet slippers were your first experience crossdressing, Now,
inthose
drawers you will find your nightgown and slippers, as well as a
fewsurprises
for later, and in this closet are your clothes for tomorrow. Wecan
also
arrange for you to try on the wedding dress you chose. That is, ifyou
are
not
uncomfortable with knowing that you will be buried in it." "Yes, could
I
please? I love wedding dresses, and it would be so niceto be able to
wear
it
once while I'm still alive. I always wanted to have awedding ceremony
with
Becky, but where I would wear a wedding gown also.Another broken
dream. And
please, don't feel you have to careful. I know Iwill be dead
tomorrow."
"Okay, it will be here this afternoon. We'll make it as special as
wecan."
Across from the bedroom, was a room that Jennifer could only
describeas a
parlor. A very feminine Victorian parlor. It was even more
beautifulthan
the
bedroom. As they stepped in, Jennifer noticed a rather odd looking man
standingin the middle of the room next to what appeared to be a
doctor's
scale.Peggy was waiting their with him. For some reason, she felt
uncomfortablewith the way he was looking at her. "This is Forrest
Johnson...I'm afraid he's your executioner," Marysaid by way of
introduction.
"Good morning Jennifer," the executioner said smiling as he
extendedhis
hand, which she reluctantly took. "Now," the executioner began, as
hegently
held her hand, "shall we get on with it?" "Get on with what," Jennifer
asked, as she felt fear again rising. "Why your examination. Nothing
to
worry about. I simply have toweigh you, examine your neck, and then I
will
be
able to calculate yourdrop. I pride myself on the quality of my
work. You
won't suffer at all.Snap! And it's over. Of course, the law says you
hang
for
at least an hourto make sure you are dead, but to me that is really
unnecessary." "An hour?" Jennifer gasped suddenly remembering the
words
of
the deathwarrant. "I'm sorry, I don't care for it myself, but it's
more
of
a traditionthan a necessary requirement, he said. "Originally it was
meant
to
ensurethat you are dead. Now it is more because you are to serve as an
example
toothers." Tears welled up in Jennifer's eyes as she pictured her
lifeless
body,hanging at the end of the rope for a hour or longer. "Don't
worry,
you won't know it....and I promise, I won't let it goany longer than
necessary"
he said comfortingly. "At that point, you willhave gone to your final
reward."
Again, she could feel the fear rising in her, but she was determinedto
face this as bravely as she could. "Now, if you will step on these
scales," the executioner said. Shakily, she stepped up on them. The
executioner read the scale, andmumbled "Hmmm, 135 pounds." Then he
began to
examine her neck. "Ah, sucha lovely neck, such a shame, such a shame,"
he
muttered. She began to feel slightly nauseous as he gently probed,
feeling
themuscles and the bones. As he continued working, he spoke
soothingly,
telling her not toworry, that it would be over soon. She wanted to cry
out
that she didn'twant it to be over at all. That she wanted to go home
to
Becky,
and herlife. Finally, he stepped back. And began making notes in a
littlenotebook. "My, you're a small thing aren't you." he mumbled.
"I'm
afraid thatwill mean a slighly longer drop, but not too long, since
you have
such adelicate neck. I really wish your weight was a little different.
"Why the obsession with my weight?" she asked, curiosity overcomingher
fear.
He looked a bit uncomfortable as he began, "Well, now, remember,
youDID
ask.
If the drop is too long for your weight, well your neck could tear.If
it is
much too long a drop, your head might actually be torn completelyoff
of your
body. And if the drop is too short for your weight, then yourneck
won't be
broken and you'll end up strangling to death." Jennifer went pale, and
her
hand involuntarily went to her neck as shebegan sobbing
uncontrollably, and
the
hangman snatched out a handkerchiefand handed it to her. "Please don't
worry,"
he soothed, "I won't hurt you,really I won't." I've always been
careful
with
every woman I've hanged, andI'm going to treat you the same as them."
As
she choked back her tears, she gasped, "If everything goes right
Iwon't be
too
disfigured will I?" she asked? "Don't worry. They told me you had
chosen
a wedding dress has a highneckline. That will cover up any marks on
your
neck.
I always check tomake sure, so they can be advised to change their
choice
if
they make a badone. Don't feel bad, a lot of the women I've hanged
have
asked
that samequestion, though most men don't. I'm sure you'll be quite
lovely
in
death.Now, I'm giving you every consideration I give a woman. The rope
is
made
ofsilk, and has satin covering the noose part, so it is as comfortable
as
ispossible. Also, the silk means that the knot slips easier, and helps
insureyour neck is broken. The hood I use is also satin, and the
straps are
alldesigned to be as soft as possible. Now, what color dress are you
wearing?"
"A black one, why?" "So I can insure that your hood matches. We want
you looking yourbest, all around. And, of course, I will do everything
necessary to insureyour dignity." "My dignity?" she asked. "I'll
place a strap around the bottom of your dress. It prevents itfrom
flying up
when you drop, and it keeps people from seeing up
itafter....well... "I
know, 'after I'm dead,'" she said. "I'm glad to see your taking this
bravely," he said. "Now, let meexplain about the procedures for
tomorrow.
First, you have a bit of anunpleasant choice to make. When a person
dies
they
lose control of theirbodily functions as their muscles. This is
especially
bad
during a hanging.We don't want to disgust people, so we have to take
certain
steps. You caneither have an enema, right before your execution, or
you will
have to weara diaper. Now, even if you choose the enema, you will
still
have
to wear apad designed to catch your urine. In any case, I am sure you
wouldn't
wantto soil yourself." Jennifer was mortified. How could this man
stand
here, and talk socallously of such things? He must have noticed the
look on
her face, "Yes my dear, I know it is unpleasant. But, I would
recommend
theenema. The diapers are rather bulky, and they might run the
appearance
ofyour dress," he continued. "I really don't want to think about such
things," she replied. "Justdo whatever most women choose." "The enema
it
is then." "Now, in the morning, you'll be taken out the door at the
end
of
thehall. A van will be waiting there, and you will be driven to the
mainpublic
square. The van will take you to the back of the gallows, wherethere
will
be
the traditional thirteen steps. When you reach the top, youwill be led
to
the
a seat. You will sit there while a statement is madeconcerning your
crime,
and
your sentence. After that, you will have achance to make any
remarks. I
suggest you make apologies for you act, andask forgiveness. Then your
custody
is officially passed to me. You should beaware that after you are
turned
over
to me, there will be a traditional tenminute wait. There is a phone on
the
platform, and we wait exactly tenminutes, in case the governor orders
a
commutation in your sentence. "Finally, if there is not commutation,
you
will led to the trap door onthe gallows. There you will see two red
marks.
Stand with your toes onthose marks, and you will be in the right
position.
At
that point, I willplace the straps on you, and then place the
noose. As
soon
as I place thehood over your head, and make my final adjustments, I
will
step
back andspring the trap. Again, you won't suffer." "I hope you're
right,"
was all she could think of to say. "Well, until tomorrow, he said, as
he
turned and walked out. "I'm sorry," Mary said. "We've found it better
not
to warn you beforethat meeting. It just makes it harder if you
anticipate
it.
The man is amonster. He loves his work. Oddly enough, that is a small
mercy.
Hereally is telling the truth. You won't suffer." "Oh Mary," Jennifer
said, as she began sobbing softly, "It's so hard,but I'm trying to be
brave.
And you're kindness helps." "I know Jennifer. It's not an easy thing
to
face." Chapter Six
Becky's Visit After the executioner left, they had a delicious
lunch, which includedmany of Jennifer's favorite foods. Mary then told
Jennifer that Becky washere to visit, but that the visit must be
observed by
the staff of thereeducation unit Becky had been assigned to. Jennifer
was
unsure what thatmeant, and it was with some concern that she waited
for
Becky
to be broughtin. Becky walked in, followed by several rather stern
faced
individuals,who waited by the door as she walked over to where
Jennifer sat.
"Hello dear..." Jennifer began. "Please, just call me Becky," came
the
reply. "I now realize you werenot a husband to me. You denied me my
femininity, I had to take on the malerole in our marriage, and while I
am
sorry
it has come to this, you aregetting what you deserve." Jennifer was
shocked, and she ran from the room crying. She ran intoher bedroom and
laid
down on the bed. It was true that in many ways Beckybeen more
masculine
than
Jennifer. But Jennifer knew that was as muchBecky's choice as
anything.
After about 30 minutes, Mary came in and sat down on the bed.
"Elizabeth
has your wedding dress, if you want to try it on." "Please, I don't
think
I feel like it," Jennifer replied. "I really think you should, and we
all
want to see you in it." "Why, so you'll know what a lovely corpse I'll
be?" "Jennifer! Have we done anything to hurt you? Believe me,
you'llfeel better after you try it on." "Okay," Jennifer sighed. At
least
it might take her mind off ofBecky's visit. Mary led Jennifer down to
the
dressing room, Jennifer slipped out of the clothes she had been
wearing,
and beganputting on the undergarments that went with the wedding
dress.
Mary stepped out, and Elizabeth and Peggy brought in the
dress. ToJennifer,
it
seemed breathtakingly beautiful. They helped Jennifer slipinto it, and
then
she stepped into her satin slippers. Elizabeth led her tothe vanity,
and
touched up her makeup. Then they led her down the hall tothe
parlor. As
she
stepped in, she was amazed to find that it now lookedlike a small
wedding
chapel, complete with flowers, and that Mary waswaiting at the altar,
wearing
ministerial robes. "Mary is an ordained minister, though the state no
longer recognizesher as such," Mary whispered. Jennifer was now
totally
confused, until shesaw Becky step out of the shadows, dressed in what
appeared
to be a feminineversion of a tuxedo. "But...." was all she managed to
get
out. "It was all an act. After Becky left, she was released from
thecustody of the reeducation camp, and we had some friends who
slipped
herback
here. We do what we have to. Now, are you ready to renew your
vows,Jennifer?"
"Of course," she said. Elizabeth pushed a button on the sound
system,
and the Wedding Marchbegan playing, as Jennifer began walking towards
Becky.
Mary performed avow renewal ceremony, and then she whispered to
Jennifer,
"You
and Becky canhave some time alone." They slipped into the bedroom,
where
Jennifer foundthat there were two bridal nightgowns waiting. They each
slipped
one on,and spent the next few hours making love. Finally, Becky got up
and
said, "Jennifer, I've got to go. They saidif I stayed too late, it
could
endanger everyone. They're risking their ownlives doing this. If I get
caught, they'll hang Mary, Peggy and Elizabeth." Suddenly Jennifer
remembered where she was, and what awaited her inthe morning. "And
you,"
Jennifer said. "They'll hang you too.! I love you Becky,and I'm sorry
for
what
you are going through." she said. "Soon enough, I'll see you in Heaven
dear. I'm going to miss youuntil then." With that, she slipped out the
door, and was gone. Suddenly, Jennifer felt very alone. After a
short
while, Mary came in, and informed her that Becky wassafely home, and
that
she
needn't worry, no one seemed to have caught on. "That's one advantage
to
the system. We are so isolated from the restof the prison, no one
really
notices what is going on." "Thank you," Jennifer said, "That meant a
lot
to me." "We've done similar ceremonies for other prisoners. We're
gettingpretty good at it. And of course, this was not first time we've
had
tobring someone in who was in reeducation. That makes it a bit tricky.
I'msorry for the hurt you must have felt at first, but we had to make
it
lookgood." "I understand." Jennifer was taken back to the dressing
room, where she changed backinto her pink dress. After another fine
meal,
Jennifer retired to the bedroom where sheslipped on the gown she had
chosen
for
her last night. Peggy came in, andbrought her a sleeping pill, which
she
insisted that Jennifer take.Reluctantly, Jennifer swallowed the
pill. After
Peggy stepped back out intothe hallway for the first watch, Jennifer
began
pacing the floor. Much tohere surprise, she found herself becoming
sleepy.
She sat down on the bed,and slipped off her bedroom slippers. Within
minutes,
she was in a deeppeaceful sleep.
GID is a curse and a blessing
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Jennifer Usher
>A small point...
>
> Usher has never met me, Usher has no idea of how I live my life at
> all.
Except, Willy Boy doesn't have good judgement about what he posts online.
He should really learn better.
> Usher has never followed the normal bounds of courtesy. That is a
> major reason why this NG is as it is.
Actually, I was quite civil until Willy Boy started this crap. He posted
his rather bizarre history, several of us expressed actual concern and he
turned nasty. We we responded as anyone would, he decided to try to mess
with my personal life...something he has a habit of.
> Now watch. Usher will as always say that Usher's lack of civility is
> due to X or Y, and Usher is "entitled to her opinion". Well, we all
> have opinions to which each of us is entitled. Normally that does not
> bar civil behaviour. Indeed, it is a strong reason for having it.
Willy Boy knows very well the reasons I am not civil to him. I think I will
decline to engage in his little game this round.
--
Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
<FutureG...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> And you are not even willing to try? To each give the other what you
> might call the benefit of the doubt? In public, one often addresses
> another with courtesy and the tokens of respect even when one does not
> like or truly respect the other. Why not here? Is a display of maturity
> and dignity unseemly in this newsgroup?
Helen, simply put...there are some very disturbed individuals here.
Sometimes that is the part that is hardest to grasp. We tend to assume that
people are sane until we are shown otherwise. Well, it finally occurred to
me that I am dealing with some very ill people. I admit, it is a bit cruel,
but they have chosen to be the way they are, so I just sit back and enjoy
watching them self-destruct.
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Jennifer Usher
Jennifer Usher
<FutureG...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I guess some folks just can't handle a little peace and quiet. Okay, if
> you thrive on conflict, I won't interfere. Just pardon me for not
> joining wholeheartedly in the mudslinging.
Personally, I appreciate your efforts, though I doubt they will change
anything.
> The one where we still remember that the person we talk to online is an
> actual person with feelings, I guess.
The simple fact is, people like Goat Boy live in a hell of their own making.
Personally, I would prefer a civil discussion of the issues...but that
simply doesn't happen much. Go to any pro-transgender site and simply state
that transsexuals are not transgender and you will be torn into viciously.
Willy Boy has viciously attacked people, and has tried to cause them
problems in the real world, for simply disagreeing with Blanchard and
Bailey.
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Jennifer Usher
Willow
> Willy Boy has viciously attacked people, and has tried to cause them
> problems in the real world, for simply disagreeing with Blanchard and
> Bailey.
An outright lie. The only person I have "attacked" is Usher, and then
as Usher had bragged ab out reporting me to the police on four
separate occasional (with no justification) and such other delights.
Save for being attacked by Usher, I could care less if anyone agrees
with Blanchard, Bailey or even ex-president Bush. I might not agree
with their views, but would never consider attacking without very good
justification. Usher simply "forgets" that her actions created this
situation. Usher's actions here are the reason this place is as it is
and for that Usher is primarily responsible.
Usher's misuse of pronouns is an affront to any trans person, of
whatever type.
Willow
Jennifer Usher
Oh this is rich. I think Andrea James, Lynn Conway, and Deirdre McCloskey
would all disagree. Let's see...for example, Willy Boy made the false
claims that Andrea James had bankrupted to avoid paying for her SRS and
facial feminization surgery...that she does not have a degree from the
University of Chicago...and then there was the incident where he started an
attack group on Yahoo, which resulted in his being kicked off of Yahoo.
Then there was the incident where he falsely claimed that Lynn Conway had
attacked Native Americans, and finally there was his harassment of Deirdre
McCloskey. All of this, and more was because they disagreed with Blanchard
and Bailey and all of it is well documented on web. Once again, Willy Boy
gets caught lying through his teeth.
> Usher's misuse of pronouns is an affront to any trans person, of
> whatever type.
ROTFL! I honestly don't understand why, since "trans" people seem to have a
strong desire to cling to the fact that they were born a different sex
(assuming they actually changed their sex). No, I simply refer to Willy Boy
by his true and correct gender. I extend the same courtesy to all.
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Jennifer Usher