Any Transgendered alter-ego, alter-personalities (selves, MPD)?
Gene
alter-personalities (selves, MPD)?
Re: Sexual Deviation from the natural God-given norm:
Gay/Bi/Les/Trans/SRS/fetishes/obsessions/etc...
Multiple Personality Disorders Responsible?
CAUTION: The first 4 paragraphs of this article have been floating around on
the web, but be sure to read the followups below it, and especially the one
titled "Dangerous Ideas", through sexual reassignment surgery (SRS). I am
not the author of this article. Keep in mind that this article was posted
simply to show that traumatically induced split-personality disorders
(shattered selves) have brought this into a totally different light, for
some. This article is long, with many followups attached. We've also added a
few related links, at the bottom of this article. TOA
Submitted and Maintained by: Anonymously (USA)
Paste Follows:
> >> Do you have any transgendered (opposite gender) alter-personalities
(mpd)? And
> >> how do you deal with your situation based on your beliefs- through
> >> meditation and prayer? Does this work for you?
>
In Frank Putnam's "Diagnosis and Treatment of MPD," a small section
is devoted to cautioning that "many transsexuals/gay/bi/lez/tv" may
have MPD.Some may actually have alter-personalities of the opposite gender.
With transsexuals, the therapist must not assume that a patient
requesting sexual reassignment is merely altering a transgendered
personality state, which is also commom in DDNOS/DID (MPD-therapy).
DID stands for dissociative identity disorder (MPD). The newsgroup for
MPD (DID) is alt.support.dissociation
Here's a little paste, if interested:
The last time such was posted, a few here found this interesting, that
some gays, tvs, srs, etc... might actually be unknowingly multiple
personality. MPD (split personality) is supposedly caused from sexual
abuse and/or trauma. The trauma so unbearable, that the victim
personality suddenly "splits", "shattered selves", so that the child is
able survive it, to bear it. Yes, the split-offs bore/bear the blunt of it.
Those aware of their MPD shattered personality ego-states are then
left to try and re-integrate. Many MPD split-p victims have no memory
of said abuse/trauma, cause the split-p alter-personality states
actually bore the blunt, while the original host blacked out, and didn't
see a thing. During therapy, it is very common to find alter-egos of
opposite sex, of different ages, of different voice, handwriting,
allergies, appetites, sexual preference, etc...., well, read the mpd
newsgroup faq. The newsgroup is alt.support.dissociation, and their
faq (newsgroup charter) is thorough and extremely helpful/interesting.
Their faq is posted bi-monthly, and it can be found at google.com,
archive.org, or altavista.com, for sure.
If you found this interesting or explosive, please pass this along to
as many as you can. Could you just imagine sexual reassignment,
sodomy, lez, or bi, and then the discovery of MPD? That would
be traumatic, lack of knowledge leading one to jump pre-maturely.
________________________________________________
It's just that I feel that "shattered selves" is one theory, while
"prankster"
spirits might be another possibility, with me and others, or in some cases.
Even the perpetrators could be "possessed", at the time of traumatic events.
The bible states that spirits are pranksters, leading people to do odd
things,
against their nature ( to deviate, from the natural). Careful, cause this is
disruptive stuff.
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Paste from earlier 1997 reply to this original below:
Quote follows:
From: KH
Subject: Re: Dangerous ideas
Newsgroups: soc.support.transgendered, alt.transgendered, alt.support.srs,
alt.support.sexreassign
Date: 12/06/1997
Added Paste: Well, my experience from the other end - having been given high
doses of
oestrogen at the age of 10, plus having been on the pill for about 7 or 8
years, proved to me what medical science already knows: hormones do NOT
"cure"
gender identity or sexual preference.
(Posted and Emailed)
***
On 6.11, I posted a long-overdue response to a post by Katy. As a
preamble, I explained that I have learned to "manage" my illness on
the net by storing for future reply those posts which cut rather close
to the core or which need to be responded to from a "safe" mental
place.
Right now, I am in such a safe space, both mentally and physically.
In regard to the latter, I am at the lake on a peaceful Thrsday
morning, I have had a visit from the pair of loons and the female duck
which are raising separate families in the sheltered and inaccessible
(to humans) wooded cove on the backside of my property.
In regard to to former, I have survived, but more importantly, I have
"processed," (to use psychological babble-speak), a highly unpleasant
visit on Tuesday from two "experts" from the company evaluating me for
Long Term Disability. They drove all the way up from Boston to
interview me for a "one hour" talk that lasted two and one/half tense
hours. Suffice it to say, the little "talk" was unpleasant, deeply
disturbing and humiliating.
However, that is behind me, and, as I noted, duly "processed."
Cindy Grrlpetal posted perhaps two weeks ago a public piece to which I
have had to delay my response because of this and other matters.
Now, in a "safe" place emotionally and physically, I am ready.
Finally, to end this long preamble, I note that I am violating, in a
minor sense, proper nettiquette, by quoting Cindy's post in full as to
excerpt it would be to do an injustice to its many points.
[I also wish to note, up front, the debt I can never fulfill to
Celeste for saving my life by her transcontinental actions on 9.20.96,
my undying appreciation of the loving care by net-angel Aunty Jen
while I was in the hospital, my deep indebtedness to Julie Haugh for
her material and emotional support, to Theoni for understanding above
and beyond any call of friendship, and to Michelle, Colleen, Ros, Bob
T., Sally and to many others who have stood by and helped me with my
"white-knuckle" horrors since September. There *is* support in these
groups, contrary to what one might think when simply sampling a week's
worth of postings.]
***
Cindy's reference to my web page is to:
http://www.khayward.com/mnl.html
(this url above is also duplicated at the base of this page)
:Dearest K
:
:And here, through your web page and in your reference to "mental
:illness," you have gotten to the crux of the matter for a few of us who
:lurk through these ng's and wonder where people obtain their
:perspectives, and then the conceit to perscribe and proscribe.
:
:I only became aware that I am "we" after doing RLT for eight months or
:so,(only three of those months doing 'mones). And that the reason why it
:took no time at all to cast off our male persona, both physically and
:mentally was because the "persona" was a male alter meant to protect the
:core, which is solidly female. This transition took about ninety minutes
:and a quart of Vodka. The male host's alcoholism went with him when he
:was internalized (a common occurence in DID)
:
:In Frank Putnam's "Diagnosis and Treatment of MPD," a small section is
:devoted to cautioning that "many transsexuals" may have MPD, and that
:the therapist not assume that
:a patient requesting sexual reassignment is merely altering a
:transgendered personality state, which is also commom in DDNOS/DID.
:
:More to the point: TSs/TGs come from many different perspectives of
:consciousness. I don't know about the context of the intramural
:rivalries that you mention, but the denial of pain that you allude to is
:a very unhealthy attitude, if nothing more than these games of denial
:are ultimately dehumanizing and that they enable abuse to continue.
:
:TS/DIDs have survived incredible trauma and abuse, including severe
:gender abuse at home, and the world at large (hence the generation of
:male hosts to stop the abuse from continuing). Very often, GenderQueer
:children are scapegoated as a warning to the rest of the world of
:children not to step out of line. It should come as no surprise that
:suicide is rapant among "high intensity transsexuals." (not a PC
:description, but accurate none-the-less. H.I.T.s are fertile ground for
:the development of Dissociative Disorders). For some, enough becomes
:enough when abuse is so intensly focused on such individuals, almost
:from the moment they learn to talk 'till the moment they end it all.
:
:Your post has personal meaning for me, a me that is "us." Just as
:non-trans people don't "get" being trans, Singleton trans people will
:never understand TS/DDs/DIDs. Singleton bromides and perscriptions will
:never work for mutiples because consciousness
:in the two groups has followed two distinct evolutionary paths.
:
:On a personal note, there are mental illnesses that can occur co-morbid
:with DD/DID, but it's not fair to yourself that you are ill. DDs/DIDs
:can find success and hapiness in life without being "cured." It's just
:that we reqire coping strategies that singletons and non DDs are unable
:to provide unless they understand the nature of our Selves.
:
:Serenity and Light
:
:G
Dear G,
As you note, one great problem with being disagnosed as Dissociative
Disorder' Dissociative Identity Disorder (DD/DID -- DMS-IV 300.14), [a
condition which prior to DSM-IV was referred to as Multiple
Personality Disorder], is that the weak and timid "outriders" in the
psychological posses are too quick to focus on the adjective
"Multiple" and thus attribute our gender journey to delusionary
aspects.
The stronger riders of course, understand otherwise, and that is why I
chose to be hospitalized in Philadelphia, in a wonderful unit run by
one of the world's foremost experts on DD/DID and Posttraumatic Stress
Disorder (DSM-IV 309.81). [Yet even this choice of
self-hospitalization was challenged repeated by the suits on Tuesday.]
Childhood abuse is a terrible thing, whether it be psychological,
physical, sexual or a combination.
Betwen the ages of 2-8 or so, the child's psyche needs to learn trust,
to learn to identify important sources of psychogical strength and
refuge. When what *should be safe, secure and nurturing* is
unpredictably and repeatedly unsafe and destructive of the young
child's very identity, the mind, as you are only too aware, kicks into
action with its own protective mechanisms.
Just as biologically-induced morphine-like substances will kick in to
protect an individual in cases of severe biological trauma and extreme
pain, the consciousness and subconsciousness, in their unfathomable
wisdom kicks into action and isolates the mind from the abusive
events.
The first step is dissociation [the first D in DID], literally
removing the child from the event, at least at the cognitive
level.
Unfortunatly, the events continue to be recorded, but in the
subconscious or affective part of the psyche. For those to whom all
of this is yet more babble-speak, simply imagine rounding a curve in
the roadway and coming upon a horrendous car crash. Those who have
experienced such, especially if they have offered assistance to the
mutilated and dying, will often remember little or none of what they
*did* during those horrendous, heroic moments ... the conscious mind
has shut down, the gore is not recorded; the subsconious mind has
taken over, moving the motorist from victim to victim, "processing"
the action, but shielding the conscious mind.
As reference on my web page indicates, the current theory is that the
gap in the normal parallel synchronization betwen the cognitive
(conscious) and affective (subconscious) recording/processing tracks
leads to serious fragmentation, and often to Posttraumatic Stress
Disorder.
A single event such as this can be apparently be handled by the brain;
extensive or repeated similiar or idential events lead to serious
personality disorder [the second D in DID].
While I was in Philadelphia I had the honor of being befriended by two
very different individuals suffering deeply from such repeated
horrors.
One was a survivor of the Oklahoma City bombing who, while physically
injured by the blast, spent 18 hours without medical attention as he
worked side-by-side with the rescuers, attending to the dying and
dead. The repeated and escalating horror he experienced caused a
shotdown of his cognitive mind (he can only remember being passed at a
red-light by a Ryder truck); his affective mind, of necessity,
recorded each and every gory detail; the result was the subsequent
development of PSD and multiples months after the event.
The other person was a woman my age who had been an actual "slave" to
a satanic cult run by her own mother and uncle. From the age of 3-18,
the horrors she underwent caused the development of sixteen different
personalities, two of which I had the honor to meet -- and it is an
honor, because the mind in its own wisdom, in segregating various
aspects of the normal psychological development that *should* have
taken place in a *unified* manner during this fifteen-year period,
created a number of wonderful personalities [in psycho-babble: alters]
to house the healthy emotions and instincts and to keep them separate
from the unhealthy aspects.
Yet, Cindy, as you correctly note, to term this development as an
illness is problematic. We are I; I am we -- I am just configured
differently than the norm.
In the geek-speak sometimes spoken here, and of which I am quite
knowledgeable (not surprising, if you think about it), I/we have
complete parallel processing engines, some with their own operating
systems; the problem arises when the outcome of the parallel
processsing results in *very* divergent results [modes of behavior].
As you note, Cindy, the key is to allow the cognitive mind to
understand and *meet* these alters, and to learn to trust the value
and validity of the multiplicity.
Yet therein lies the greatest problem, and the one my medical team is
struggling with right now, because the alters are based on trauma, and
by the very nature of their "creation" are isolated from each
other. In becoming cognitively aware of the alters, and in attempting
to mediate the necessarily contradictory demands and impulses, the
cognitive mind can easily become overloaded. [In geek speak: 2+2
equals 4; but place a minus sign before one or both 2, and the results
are different but valid -- the question becomes whether the existence
of the signs are appropriate. Ironically yet necessarily, all signs
are appropriate, given the creation and existence of the alters].
The cure is not to deny the alters, but to embrace them, to mediate,
and, more often than not, to discover the single primary [os engine]
that has cognitive and affective knowledge (usually deeply submerged and
protected) of the entire being [the true and abolute kernel].
And all this must be done while allowing the alter which *appears*
primary to those with whom we deal every day to continue to function
in society -- no mean trick. [In this instance, the "Kristin" alter.]
By All,
KH
ericf...@webtv.net (Eric Fisher) wrote in message
news:<26444-419...@storefull-3214.bay.webtv.net>...
>> found on a newsboard:
>>
>> I was a practising bisexual while backslidden - when I came back to the
>> Lord He healed me of my lesbian feelings (which I had had from a young
>> age but didn't act on until my late twenties) and forgave me for the
>> activities I'd been involved with. His words to me were 'Holiness is not
>> an optional extra but you are not alone in this; lean on Me and I will
>> heal you.'
>> I know homosexuals face very tough struggles and I salute those who are
>> determined to do things God's way. I have compassion on those who fight
>> daily against their orientation, but I consider it a Satanic lie from
>> the pit of Hell to say that God says homosexual acivity is okay. I am
>> not blaming people who believe this - they have been deceived - but I
>> flat-out do not accept it as God's truth.
>> Jules
>> _________________
>> Born-again Christian (evangelical, charismatic). Came out of witchcraft
>> and was healed by God of bisexuality. Still married to a Pagan. > Spirits
are masters of creating illusions, It's all a sport to them,
> just for a laugh, they have nothing better to do. Illusion, delusion,
> snares, traps, acting in haste, assuming disguises, dimming awareness,
> heightening anxiety, impatience, promote mental sluggishness,
> promiscuity, violent and sociopathic behaviors, altering the sexual
> orientation of individuals, violence as a conditioned response, deviant
> erotic mental imagery, vulgarity, sexual perversion, alien love bite
(possession),
> libido and pheromone manipulation, altered in order to cause you
> to attract or even to literally repel the opposite sex, adoption of
> alternative lifestyles. During dreamscape sex, the partners sometimes
> shapeshift into the opposite sex, or a demon, an animal, a hermaphrodite,
> a family member, an elder, a...., a...., or even a .....
>
> Taken From: Astral Manipulation of Sexual Orientation
> http://reptilianagenda.com/exp/e090800a.html
>
> me
This woman, whoever she is, is in for a huge emotional and spiritual
crisis when the thrill of religious experience wears off and she
realizes she will always love women.
Dot
Transexual Fish?
Male fish becoming female?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6436617/
BOULDER, Colo. - Researchers in Colorado have made a startling
discovery. Fish, apparently male, are developing female sexual organs.
Scientists believe it's the result of too much estrogen in the water
and they're finding estrogen in rivers across the country.
In Colorado's rivers and streams, scientists are waist-deep in ritual
of the season, using electric currents to stun native fish to the
surface where they're measured and checked. But what they discovered
in the white sucker fish has got even veteran scientists concerned.
"I've done a lot of studies throughout my career which extends back to
1973," says research associate John Woodling. "This is the very first
time that what I've found scared me."
"This fish has characteristics of both male and female," says Dr.
David O. Norris of the University of Colorado, Boulder.
And scientists have found lots of them in three Colorado rivers, all
of them downstream from sewage treatment plants.
In the Boulder Creek, female white suckers outnumbered males five to
one and 50 percent of the males also had female sex tissue.
Researchers say the cause is too much estrogen in the water, a natural
female hormone that is found in every sewer system. But also, they
say, certain chemical compounds in detergents and soaps can mimic
estrogen.
Barbara Biggs, of Denver's largest sewage plant, says most of the
nation's sewage plants simply can't remove all the estrogen in the
water.
"We're concerned about the effect on aquatic life, but we're also
concerned about our ability to actually treat for these estrogens and
estrogen mimickers," says Biggs.
Estrogen mimickers are believed to be caused by chemicals called
nonylphenols, found in everything from paints and rubber to cosmetics
and plastics. They are considered a possible cause of kidney, eye,
liver and reproductive problems.
They've been banned in much of Europe and are under review in Canada,
but are still common in America, where they are flowing out of sewage
plants and into clean water flowing into America's rivers.
Government researchers recently found natural estrogens and estrogen
mimickers in 80 percent of the streams they tested in 30 states.
"We would be ingesting those chemicals, would absorb them, and they
would add to whatever natural hormones we already have in the body,"
says Dr. Norris.
No one is certain what the impact is on humans. But since finding
evidence that estrogen may be turning male fish into female fish,
scientists are now looking at what it means for the nation's drinking
water.
In a state that prides itself on living in harmony with nature, this
is evidence, say researchers, of a hormonal imbalance.
Tara
Cindy's reference to earlier "Dangerous Ideas" article (medical followup) :
http://www.khayward.com/mnl.html
The chat and discussion boards below are available through usenet or google
groups:
alt.support.dissociation (mpd), alt.mindcontrol, alt.christnet.demonology
The usenet route, would be type into your browser address window;
news:alt.support.srs (group name)
The google.com route would be
http://groups.google.com/groups?group=alt.support.srs
Yahoo and AOL also have several related chat and discussion groups.
Gene
news:<BgY0d.24146$2s....@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...
> I saw this in another group, so glad to finally see someone! I've been
> lurking here awhile. It seems there's never anyone like me around. I'm
> lurking alt.support.dissociation, now. See you there!
>
>
> Jess
Hey Jess, you're not the only one. I have MPD as well.
~ Eve ~
>
>
see ya'll there (alt.support.dissociation)
Willow Arune
DES is rather interesting, and even the major proponents admit that it is
not provable and may never be. But the increasing numbers of AG TS in First
World counties and not Third World does support it a bit.
DES is a chemical which along with others found in waters supplies, mimics
estrogens. In one study, in Florida, the decline in alligator population
was apparently traced to these chemicals, and the resultant malformation of
male organs (males are more easy to injure in the development process). The
theory relates to many, and there are web groups for supporters. DES was
used between roughly 1945 to 196X for pregnant women, often without their
knowledge (see "DO NO HARM" or, more recently,"THE RIDDLE OF GENDER"))
Likewise those who favour MPD. Personally, I think it can arise form many
causes and we are silly to try to limit it to one, and one only. We are
just as silly to discriminate against any type of TS, my approach being I do
not care how you got here, but as you are here, you are one of us.
Purists such as E and others on "alt.support.srs" presumably demand that
only those like her be classed as "true transsexuals" and all others be
placed elsewhere. Rather like saying the only true Italian Americans came
from only one village in southern Italy, and not Rome, venire or Milan. A
form of elitism that is both common (in many senses of that term) and
discriminatory used as E uses it.
One difference between E and myself - I accept all post op TS as
transsexuals. Period, End of story. She does not. I accept 24/7
transgendered as sisters; she does not. I accept CDs and TGs as - if not
sisters, at least cousins. She runs away and throws stones.
When all the fluff, nonsense and vile comments are taken away, that is the
simple end result.
Personally, if E wants to be in a league with herself, and herself only,
that is fine by me. No doubt she is used to playing by/with herself...
Hugs,
Willow
"Gene" <ge...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:xI-dnd3MLPF...@eatel.net...
Datt
> Personally, if E wants to be in a league with herself, and herself only,
> that is fine by me. No doubt she is used to playing by/with herself...
>
Some may find the alt.support.dissociation MPD newsgroup FAQs interesting
regarding transgendered alter-personalities. Might at least consider it,
before severing one's manhood. Faqs are posted monthly, over there.
T