to -therapy culture- preachers
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treating any 'disorder'. is it lost somewhere?
You claim that in treating any mostly neurological disorder , you are able
to fix the problem but saying to attendant that his thought are unrealistic?
You try to build confidence by telling him/her that he is in that state
because he has wrong/unapproprate thoughts? Where is logic in that, and who
is -unrealistic- there. Who are you to tell_anybody those stuff. Yes, i have
unrealistic thoughts. And i love them more than people that are making money
of everything .
Acceptance is crucial. But acceptance by the society (because nobody is born
not accepting what he/she is). This rigid corrupted society lead by
disturbed baboons.
Bob Badour
Who is "you" ? Certainly not me and certainly not the vast majority of
the people who read alt.support.autism
David
> i want to find a real statistic data how much really CBT is efficient in
> treating any 'disorder'. is it lost somewhere?
As a general statement, most of my clients report success
> You claim that in treating any mostly neurological disorder
I have never heard of any qualified therapist claiming that CBT is used
to treat neurological disorders
, you are able
> to fix the problem but saying to attendant that his thought are unrealistic?
Well, no. That is not how it is done. The client is assisted to
determine for themselves whether or not their thoughts are realistic.
While a therapist may have their own idea of how realistic the clients
ideas are, that is generally not relevant.
> You try to build confidence by telling him/her that he is in that state
> because he has wrong/unapproprate thoughts?
No. Where did you get these incorrect ideas about therapy?
Have you ever read any good books about the practice of psychotherapy?
>Where is logic in that,
There is no logic in that, and that why it is not the way therapy is
practised
> Yes, i have
> unrealistic thoughts. And i love them more than people that are making money
> of everything .
And so do we all - sometimes that is all that keeps us going I think.
Think of all the people that think they will win $$ playing poker
machines, for example.
As I said before, your ideas about therapy are unrealistic, but you say
you know they are unrealistic. Perhaps they serve a purpose for you (I
am not your therapist so I can say that)
cheers
David
Terry Jones
<post...@REMOVE-TO-REPLYconfidential-counselling.com> wrote:
>> i want to find a real statistic data how much really CBT is efficient in
>> treating any 'disorder'. is it lost somewhere?
>
>As a general statement, most of my clients report success
Perhaps a more targeted question would be - In what areas do you
believe / does the evidence support, CBT being appropriate and
effective?
(For example over here [UK NHS] it appears to be seen as a generic
solution to "depression" - yet depression can have a range of
manifestations and causes, not all of which appear to fit the CBT
"model".)
>> You claim that in treating any mostly neurological disorder
>
>I have never heard of any qualified therapist claiming that CBT is used
>to treat neurological disorders
Since this was posted to alt.support.autism, my guess would be that
he's referring to the use of CBT as an intervention for the problems
of autistics (given that autism is a neuro-developmental condition).
[Of course autistics can suffer from depression, in fact it seems to
be more common than in the general population, but there are many
issues associated with autism which are not psychological in origin.
Although they may have behavioural and psychological consequences,
there are serious questions about trying to "treat" them on a purely
behavioural / psychological basis.]
--
Terry
David
Terry Jones <terry...@beeb.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Jun 2009 00:31:13 GMT, David
> <post...@REMOVE-TO-REPLYconfidential-counselling.com> wrote:
>
> >As a general statement, most of my clients report success
>
> Perhaps a more targeted question would be - In what areas do you
> believe / does the evidence support, CBT being appropriate and
> effective?
>
> (For example over here [UK NHS] it appears to be seen as a generic
> solution to "depression" - yet depression can have a range of
> manifestations and causes, not all of which appear to fit the CBT
> "model".)
I think CBT is a reasonably effective approach to many conditions, but I
would certainly be concerned about anyone claiming it is the be-all and
end-all of therapeutic interventions.
I do, however, think its general approach is not a bad way to begin an
intervention - that is, it can serve well as an initial approach, and
the change to another form of intervention, or the inclusion of other
forms (eg family therapy, EMDR, Rogerian, behaviour modification) is
easily accomplished and doesn't throw the client off line.
THe only measure of any intervention is whether or not it works - and if
it doesn't work then flogging a dead horse, so to speak is not only time
wasting, but is unprofessional and possibly/probably harmful to the
client.
>
> >> You claim that in treating any mostly neurological disorder
> >
> >I have never heard of any qualified therapist claiming that CBT is used
> >to treat neurological disorders
>
> Since this was posted to alt.support.autism, my guess would be that
> he's referring to the use of CBT as an intervention for the problems
> of autistics (given that autism is a neuro-developmental condition).
>
> [Of course autistics can suffer from depression, in fact it seems to
> be more common than in the general population, but there are many
> issues associated with autism which are not psychological in origin.
>
> Although they may have behavioural and psychological consequences,
> there are serious questions about trying to "treat" them on a purely
> behavioural / psychological basis.]
I would certainly agree
David (ex-Community Health - Australia)