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JWC
Apr 5, 2006, 2:42:12 PM4/5/06
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I know you people are going to think I'm full of shit, but here goes. I have
had Psoriasis for 25+ years in varying degrees. It was very bad 1 year ago.
On a whim, knowing that Niacin causes peripheral skin flushing, I started
taking 250 mg. of naicin (not niacinamide). I flushed greatly, turned beet
red. I kept taking naicin in increasing doses to keep the peripheral
flushing going. I am now up to 1.25 grams a day. In 6 months I was totally
free of Psoriasis. Not even a hint that I ever had it. Do not think that
this is an overnight solution. Just take niacin in increasing doses and let
it do it's work. Like I said I know you people will think I'm full of crap.
TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT IS WORTH!!! IT WORKED FOR ME. Any questions? Email
me----------Jim
had Psoriasis for 25+ years in varying degrees. It was very bad 1 year ago.
On a whim, knowing that Niacin causes peripheral skin flushing, I started
taking 250 mg. of naicin (not niacinamide). I flushed greatly, turned beet
red. I kept taking naicin in increasing doses to keep the peripheral
flushing going. I am now up to 1.25 grams a day. In 6 months I was totally
free of Psoriasis. Not even a hint that I ever had it. Do not think that
this is an overnight solution. Just take niacin in increasing doses and let
it do it's work. Like I said I know you people will think I'm full of crap.
TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT IS WORTH!!! IT WORKED FOR ME. Any questions? Email
me----------Jim
randall
Apr 5, 2006, 3:02:22 PM4/5/06
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Hi Jim,
I don't think your full of craP!
What works for one may not for others. And for this reason
we invite folks who do their own tests to report the results one
way or the other.
How else will we know what works for you and me?
YMMV means your mileage may vary and is used around here
for good reason. We differ. Some of us are early as opposed to
late onset. We vary in degree and trigger's as well.
So, don't worry, your not full of crap. If you had p and found
a way to deal with it, congratulations.
Now, we need a dozen or more folks to take up your tests.
Can you report on some of your other possible helpers? Like
sunshine, diet, topicals etc?
randall
Drea
Apr 5, 2006, 3:59:26 PM4/5/06
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OK, so maybe I'm just dense. But why would you continue this treatment
if you turned beet red? Did you stay beet red? How long did it take to
work? Days? Weeks? I mean to start working. I guess one thing about
this disease and treatment is you can stick with something for months
because it might work only to find it doesn't, or maybe it does. Maybe
I'm so spoiled by my TiVO, cell phone and fast food that I want instant
gratification when true healing takes time.
if you turned beet red? Did you stay beet red? How long did it take to
work? Days? Weeks? I mean to start working. I guess one thing about
this disease and treatment is you can stick with something for months
because it might work only to find it doesn't, or maybe it does. Maybe
I'm so spoiled by my TiVO, cell phone and fast food that I want instant
gratification when true healing takes time.
Drea in AZ
JWC
Apr 5, 2006, 4:28:16 PM4/5/06
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You only flush for a 30 minute interval. Starts at the head and moves
downward until the entire body is red. over in 30 minutes. I'm taking 1250
mg. and hardly even flush. I may not need it anymore, but I'm afraid to end
treatment. If you want instant cures look elsewhere. It worked miraculously
for me. I had given up all forms of treatment.
downward until the entire body is red. over in 30 minutes. I'm taking 1250
mg. and hardly even flush. I may not need it anymore, but I'm afraid to end
treatment. If you want instant cures look elsewhere. It worked miraculously
for me. I had given up all forms of treatment.
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Drea
Apr 5, 2006, 5:22:36 PM4/5/06
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Thank you for the clarification! Unfortunatly, I don't think instant
gratification is an option with this disease. <G> Do you have any links
to share? I think this is worth investigating, but my primary concern
is safety for children.
Drea in AZ
gratification is an option with this disease. <G> Do you have any links
to share? I think this is worth investigating, but my primary concern
is safety for children.
Drea in AZ
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Cruiser
Apr 7, 2006, 11:18:17 AM4/7/06
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"Drea" <drea....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Un-friggin-believable.
Try reading the "P Cure investigation" thread and the "Fighting hypoxia"
thread.
<shakes head in amazed disbelief>
Cruiser
Cruiser
Apr 7, 2006, 11:24:23 AM4/7/06
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"JWC" <cook...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Thanks,
I have made the point already that niacin flushing has potential to clear
psoriasis. You have shown confirmation.
If you want to know why, try reading the "P Cure investigation thread",
and the "Fighting Hypoxia" thread.
If you are clear and have been doing this for 6 months, you can stop. You
are cured. You will find that the effects should last at least 8 months. The
effects could last indefinitely if you have a healthy diet and do not have
any
bad habits.
If/when P starts to come back, do it again, until it clears again, and then
continue for a couple weeks and stop. you should be good for another
8 months or more.
Cruiser
Cruiser
Cruiser
Apr 7, 2006, 11:34:52 AM4/7/06
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"Susan" <neve...@nomail.com> wrote in message
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> x-no-archive: yes
> though this usually happens, if at all, with time released or extremely
> high doses only. It can also elevate blood glucose.
>
> I took several grams a day for months, years ago, it never did a thing,
> but it was a great sleep inducer, and probably lowered my cholesterol.
>
> Susan
Susan,
Did you get the niacin flush consistently whenever you took the niacin?
If you take the same amount every day, you will not get the niacin flush
after the first few days. It will not work, unless you get the niacin flush.
There are there ways that niacin works.
1) It lowers LDL - improves Red Blood Cell oxygen exchange
2) It releases methhemaglobin - so RBCs carry more oxygen
3) The flush improves oxygen supply for the period during the flush.
1 and 2 are of most benefit in the long term, to help remain clear.
3 is what will get you clear over time.
Cruiser
Fizziwig2
Apr 7, 2006, 12:53:33 PM4/7/06
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"Cruiser" <nospam.tg...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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I did a Google search and came across the Mayo clinic guidelines on it.
There has not been enough work done with niacin and children apparently so I
would never use it on children.
The side and other possible effects are enough to put me off - unless I was
in hospital under surveillance.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/niacin/NS_patient-niacin
Skeats
Pete
Apr 11, 2006, 6:05:02 AM4/11/06
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Hey Jim,
Thanks for posting your experience with Niacin. You're not full of crap
and it makes sense given Cruiser's research. My question is about your
dose spacing throughout the day. Did you take it all in one hit or
spread it out over the day? Moreover, did you take any other supplements
with it? I am aware that high doses can affect liver function so some
antioxidants or NAC might be helpful.
I have taken a few 100 mg doses already. I am getting the flushing
effect but it is mostly concentrated around my upper chest, neck, and
face. My ears turn bright red but the other affected parts are just a
little pinker. It all starts with a prickly sensation and goes from
there. I'm thinking of upping my dose closer to your starting dose to
300 mg.
One thing I have noticed is that I have to take Niacin on an empty
stomach (ie. between meals) otherwise it has no flushing effect
whatsoever.
I'm also going to give the Hydrogen Peroxide a go when my order arrives
following Cruiser's protocol. Wheatgrass and other greens are supposed
to "oxygenate the blood" also. I have 1 kg of powdered greens sitting
idly in the cupboard and I might add this to the mix. I don't know the
truth of the oxygenation claim, but it can't hurt.
--
All the best,
Pete
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Blue Streak
Apr 21, 2006, 10:22:06 AM4/21/06
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Niacin lowers LDL cholesterol and improves oxygenation of the blood.
These are definite benefits to taking niacin if you're diabetic, like
me, and it supresses psoriasis to boot! But there can be some side
effects from large doses.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niacin
=========================
Other Uses:
Because niacin promotes metabolism, some believe that taking large
doses will speed up the elimination of THC from the body and produce a
negative result for marijuana on a drug test. There is no evidence that
this is effective, and niacin is toxic to the skin and liver in
overdose, especially as it releases the extra toxins. This is known as
the Michalek effect due to the toxic skin conditions as well as
behavioral changes when Niacin is in one's system. [citation needed]
There is evidence that doses of 500-1000mg can terminate a bad trip on
LSD, a synthetic indole, or enhance the MDMA experience. [citation
needed]
Niacin is also present in Dianazene, a vitamin mixture given to
participants in the Church of Scientology's Purification Rundown and
Narconon programs. The benefits of such high doses are medically
disputed, and most investigations into the common use of Dianazene
highlight the potential for toxicity
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Ruada
May 3, 2006, 9:49:59 PM5/3/06
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I'm already taking 4grams a day of slo-niacin in an attempt to lower
cholesterol. I has lowered the cholesterol by 40 points but has not done a
damn thing for the P. MTX is still helping there although not causing
complete clearing it is at least 80% better than it was before taking the
MTX. Glad the niacin works for you but I think you just got lucky with the
P.
cholesterol. I has lowered the cholesterol by 40 points but has not done a
damn thing for the P. MTX is still helping there although not causing
complete clearing it is at least 80% better than it was before taking the
MTX. Glad the niacin works for you but I think you just got lucky with the
P.
Ruada
By the way I've had PA for more than 25 years I am significantly crippled
with it and take large doses of pain meds in a cp management program. I had
my first identifiable outbreak of skin P at age 47 -- the PA started at 22
but was never correctly diagnosed until the skin flare. Even then the
family practice doc did not know what it was -- it took a Derm to figure it
out and a Rhuemy to get me into pain management.
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Ruada
May 3, 2006, 9:52:12 PM5/3/06
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My doc says there is no toxicity to the liver. That was one of my primary
concerns. Niacin in any form is a water borne vitamin and your body just
flushes out what isn't needed.
concerns. Niacin in any form is a water borne vitamin and your body just
flushes out what isn't needed.
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> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Drea wrote:
DennisB99
May 4, 2006, 9:57:19 AM5/4/06
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I am seeing more and more stories about people who have been harmed by
excessive vitamin use. There was a story recently about a guy who's
liver turned to mush by taking too much vitamin A. All of this due to
Linus Pauling and his theory that you can't take too many vitamins. He
might have been a genius, but he was wrong. You might want to make
sure you don't take too much.
excessive vitamin use. There was a story recently about a guy who's
liver turned to mush by taking too much vitamin A. All of this due to
Linus Pauling and his theory that you can't take too many vitamins. He
might have been a genius, but he was wrong. You might want to make
sure you don't take too much.
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Ruada
May 4, 2006, 3:37:53 PM5/4/06
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She says the MTX is dangerous without monitoring but says there is no risk
to the niacin. Where would I look to see what else is said?
to the niacin. Where would I look to see what else is said?
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> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Ruada wrote:
> > My doc says there is no toxicity to the liver. That was one of my
primary
> > concerns. Niacin in any form is a water borne vitamin and your body
just
> > flushes out what isn't needed.
>
> You need to do your own research, because your doctor is wrong. He
> should be monitoring your liver for abnormal functioning as long as you
> are taking niacin.
>
> Not everyone who takes it has liver dysfunction, but the risk is very
real.
>
> Susan
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JWC
May 5, 2006, 9:59:37 PM5/5/06
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You people really don't listen well!! Take the niacin with water on an empty
stomach. NOT NIACINAMIDE and NOT SLO-NIACIN. You need the skin flush! I'm
still clear and I have no liver problems.
stomach. NOT NIACINAMIDE and NOT SLO-NIACIN. You need the skin flush! I'm
still clear and I have no liver problems.
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JWC
May 6, 2006, 1:55:23 PM5/6/06
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You know, like I said originally, I really don't give a rats ass if you use
Niacin or not. You, Susan are apparently very comfortable with your
Psoriasis. I, on the otherhand, felt like a Leper. Happy scratching!!!news:4c3r5cF...@individual.net...
> x-no-archive: yes
>
>
>
> JWC wrote:
>> You people really don't listen well!! Take the niacin with water on an
>> empty stomach. NOT NIACINAMIDE and NOT SLO-NIACIN. You need the skin
>> flush! I'm still clear and I have no liver problems.
>
> Niacin with water on an empty stomach is a great way to damage your
> stomach lining, unless it's made of cast iron.
>
> BTDT. With up to 6 grams and lots of flushing, never changed anything,
> but it was a great sleep inducer.
>
> Susan
Niacin or not. You, Susan are apparently very comfortable with your
Psoriasis. I, on the otherhand, felt like a Leper. Happy scratching!!!news:4c3r5cF...@individual.net...
> x-no-archive: yes
>
>
>
> JWC wrote:
>> You people really don't listen well!! Take the niacin with water on an
>> empty stomach. NOT NIACINAMIDE and NOT SLO-NIACIN. You need the skin
>> flush! I'm still clear and I have no liver problems.
>
> stomach lining, unless it's made of cast iron.
>
> BTDT. With up to 6 grams and lots of flushing, never changed anything,
> but it was a great sleep inducer.
>
> Susan
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nat...@breathe.in
Nov 10, 2012, 7:09:22 AM11/10/12
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I amg going to try this out - how long have you been taking Niacin - is it still clear?
Bohgosity BumaskiL
Nov 11, 2012, 9:55:48 PM11/11/12
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This iz interesting. According to a pamphlet directed at medical
students at the UofA (I stumbled upon it in their computer room),
Niacin iz a drug of choice for atherosclerosis (hardening of the
arteries), because it raises High Density Lipoprotein levels and
drops Low Density Lipoprotein levels. That effect duz not come from
Niacinamide (flush-free niacin). I wuz taking it about four, maybe
six months ago, because after the flushing, it helps me sleep. I
stopped taking it, because it can cause fatty liver, and I wuz
concerned about how the state of my liver would affect my psoriasis.
I wuzn't sure that the flushing wuz good for my psoriasis, either.
I recently went on a binj of cheez and onion omelettes. I like eggs
and cheez, and I know they're not good for me, especially now that
I'm paying for that binj: The back of my neck and the patch on my
arm hav become wet. All that fat and cholesterol iz baysikly the
opposite of niacin (to your blood, anyway), so maybe I am due to
resume niacin consumption.
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This iz interesting. According to a pamphlet directed at medical
students at the UofA (I stumbled upon it in their computer room),
Niacin iz a drug of choice for atherosclerosis (hardening of the
arteries), because it raises High Density Lipoprotein levels and
drops Low Density Lipoprotein levels. That effect duz not come from
Niacinamide (flush-free niacin). I wuz taking it about four, maybe
six months ago, because after the flushing, it helps me sleep. I
stopped taking it, because it can cause fatty liver, and I wuz
concerned about how the state of my liver would affect my psoriasis.
I wuzn't sure that the flushing wuz good for my psoriasis, either.
I recently went on a binj of cheez and onion omelettes. I like eggs
and cheez, and I know they're not good for me, especially now that
I'm paying for that binj: The back of my neck and the patch on my
arm hav become wet. All that fat and cholesterol iz baysikly the
opposite of niacin (to your blood, anyway), so maybe I am due to
resume niacin consumption.
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Bohgosity BumaskiL
Nov 18, 2012, 6:39:12 AM11/18/12
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There are only twenty hits, and one of them (about
mono-methyl-fumarate) recommends that Niacin be investigated. I will
tell you that it is not comfortable to use at all (it would make you
itch like crazy, even where you do not hav psoriasis), and it seems
to be beating "BrewJay's Stomach Inflammation Buster" in speed to
heal the patch of vulgaris on my arm. I really can't tell which one
iz more effective.
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Julie Bove
Nov 19, 2012, 6:07:14 AM11/19/12
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giving me the hot flashes and red skin was to eat about three times the
amount of food I would normally eat. This just didn't work for me.
Bohgosity BumaskiL
Nov 20, 2012, 6:36:26 PM11/20/12
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> "Bohgosity BumaskiL" <brew...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> wrote in message
> news:agrvn3...@mid.individual.net...
> "Bohgosity BumaskiL" <brew...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> wrote in message
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> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=psoriasis%20niacin
> There are only twenty hits, and one of them (about
> mono-methyl-fumarate) recommends that Niacin be investigated. I will
> tell you that it is not comfortable to use at all (it would make you
> itch like crazy, even where you do not hav psoriasis), and it seems
> to be beating "BrewJay's Stomach Inflammation Buster" in speed to
> heal the patch of vulgaris on my arm. I really can't tell which one
> iz more effective.
>
> There are only twenty hits, and one of them (about
> mono-methyl-fumarate) recommends that Niacin be investigated. I will
> tell you that it is not comfortable to use at all (it would make you
> itch like crazy, even where you do not hav psoriasis), and it seems
> to be beating "BrewJay's Stomach Inflammation Buster" in speed to
> heal the patch of vulgaris on my arm. I really can't tell which one
> iz more effective.
>
> I tried it years ago for cholesterol. The only way I could get it to stop
> giving me the hot flashes and red skin was to eat about three times the
> amount of food I would normally eat. This just didn't work for me.
>
>
I've just realized in the last day or two that it's not working for
> giving me the hot flashes and red skin was to eat about three times the
> amount of food I would normally eat. This just didn't work for me.
>
>
my psoriasis, either. In most places, it's having no effect, and
what I thot wuz an effect wuz just bad accounting. On my face, I've
had a massive flare-up. It's peeling, weeping, red, and sore.
There's a bit on my right wrist that had cleared up in the last two
months, and now it's peeling again. The inside of my left wrist is
getting pretty bad all of a sudden. Niacin iz a dead end.
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Julie Bove
Nov 21, 2012, 6:18:11 AM11/21/12
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mine out. I have tried a variety of supplements and things applied
externally and all do seem to help some but it just won't flipping go away.
I am truly getting sick of people saying, "What's that thing on your head?"
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> On 2012-11-19 4:07 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Bohgosity BumaskiL" <brew...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> wrote in message
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>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=psoriasis%20niacin
>> There are only twenty hits, and one of them (about
>> mono-methyl-fumarate) recommends that Niacin be investigated. I will
>> tell you that it is not comfortable to use at all (it would make you
>> itch like crazy, even where you do not hav psoriasis), and it seems
>> to be beating "BrewJay's Stomach Inflammation Buster" in speed to
>> heal the patch of vulgaris on my arm. I really can't tell which one
>> iz more effective.
>>
>> I tried it years ago for cholesterol. The only way I could get it to
>> stop
>> giving me the hot flashes and red skin was to eat about three times the
>> amount of food I would normally eat. This just didn't work for me.
>>
>>
>
> I've just realized in the last day or two that it's not working for
> my psoriasis, either. In most places, it's having no effect, and
> what I thot wuz an effect wuz just bad accounting. On my face, I've
> had a massive flare-up. It's peeling, weeping, red, and sore.
> There's a bit on my right wrist that had cleared up in the last two
> months, and now it's peeling again. The inside of my left wrist is
> getting pretty bad all of a sudden. Niacin iz a dead end.
Sorry to hear that. I just wish I could find something that would knock
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> On 2012-11-19 4:07 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Bohgosity BumaskiL" <brew...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> wrote in message
>> news:agrvn3...@mid.individual.net...
>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=psoriasis%20niacin
>> There are only twenty hits, and one of them (about
>> mono-methyl-fumarate) recommends that Niacin be investigated. I will
>> tell you that it is not comfortable to use at all (it would make you
>> itch like crazy, even where you do not hav psoriasis), and it seems
>> to be beating "BrewJay's Stomach Inflammation Buster" in speed to
>> heal the patch of vulgaris on my arm. I really can't tell which one
>> iz more effective.
>>
>> I tried it years ago for cholesterol. The only way I could get it to
>> stop
>> giving me the hot flashes and red skin was to eat about three times the
>> amount of food I would normally eat. This just didn't work for me.
>>
>>
>
> I've just realized in the last day or two that it's not working for
> my psoriasis, either. In most places, it's having no effect, and
> what I thot wuz an effect wuz just bad accounting. On my face, I've
> had a massive flare-up. It's peeling, weeping, red, and sore.
> There's a bit on my right wrist that had cleared up in the last two
> months, and now it's peeling again. The inside of my left wrist is
> getting pretty bad all of a sudden. Niacin iz a dead end.
mine out. I have tried a variety of supplements and things applied
externally and all do seem to help some but it just won't flipping go away.
I am truly getting sick of people saying, "What's that thing on your head?"
randall
Nov 22, 2012, 12:35:47 PM11/22/12
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On Nov 21, 3:17 am, "Julie Bove" <julieb...@frontier.com> wrote:
> "Bohgosity BumaskiL" <brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> wrote in message
Happy THANKsGIVING to YOU and Your FAMILY.
So far none of my offspring have psoriasis.
So i'm happy about that.
Besides me none of my family went psoriatic till around 50.
As i've spoken to quite a few psoriatics late and early
onset in the last month or so, we ARE all flaring this year
in close proximity time wise.
So if taking niacin in the middle of summer seems to WORK.
Or early in spring on April 5, 2006 then so BE it.
JIM said it worked for him:
Wed, Apr 5 2006 10:42 am
Subject: For what it is worth
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.skin-diseases.psoriasis/msg/f6e752fc20c582d7
or
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.skin-diseases.psoriasis/browse_frm/thread/de6e67d5336515c9/18c57daca64a189a#18c57daca64a189a
And most of the people i've tried to help didn't stop flaring much and
doing what i do took me back down in about 10 days to about where i
was
when i started.
I wonder if i took some niacin if it would have gone a little faster?
What does work supplement wise for me is NAC, ALA, ALC, iodine,
omega-3,
and CoQ10 (Ubiquinol)etc.
And in particular on my radar is carnitine right now.
ALC.
So if you would like to see my notes i'll post them.
randall... the smell is driving me NUTz... LOL (take niacin today bb?)
> "Bohgosity BumaskiL" <brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> wrote in message
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> > On 2012-11-19 4:07 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >>news:agrvn3...@mid.individual.net...
> >>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=psoriasis%20niacin
> >> There are only twenty hits, and one of them (about
> >> mono-methyl-fumarate) recommends that Niacin be investigated. I will
> >> tell you that it is not comfortable to use at all (it would make you
> >> itch like crazy, even where you do not hav psoriasis), and it seems
> >> to be beating "BrewJay's Stomach Inflammation Buster" in speed to
> >> heal the patch of vulgaris on my arm. I really can't tell which one
> >> iz more effective.
>
> >> I tried it years ago for cholesterol. The only way I could get it to
> >> stop
> >> giving me the hot flashes and red skin was to eat about three times the
> >> amount of food I would normally eat. This just didn't work for me.
>
> > I've just realized in the last day or two that it's not working for
> > my psoriasis, either. In most places, it's having no effect, and
> > what I thot wuz an effect wuz just bad accounting. On my face, I've
> > had a massive flare-up. It's peeling, weeping, red, and sore.
> > There's a bit on my right wrist that had cleared up in the last two
> > months, and now it's peeling again. The inside of my left wrist is
> > getting pretty bad all of a sudden. Niacin iz a dead end.
>
> Sorry to hear that. I just wish I could find something that would knock
> mine out. I have tried a variety of supplements and things applied
> externally and all do seem to help some but it just won't flipping go away.
> I am truly getting sick of people saying, "What's that thing on your head?"
Dear Julie,
> >>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=psoriasis%20niacin
> >> There are only twenty hits, and one of them (about
> >> mono-methyl-fumarate) recommends that Niacin be investigated. I will
> >> tell you that it is not comfortable to use at all (it would make you
> >> itch like crazy, even where you do not hav psoriasis), and it seems
> >> to be beating "BrewJay's Stomach Inflammation Buster" in speed to
> >> heal the patch of vulgaris on my arm. I really can't tell which one
> >> iz more effective.
>
> >> I tried it years ago for cholesterol. The only way I could get it to
> >> stop
> >> giving me the hot flashes and red skin was to eat about three times the
> >> amount of food I would normally eat. This just didn't work for me.
>
> > I've just realized in the last day or two that it's not working for
> > my psoriasis, either. In most places, it's having no effect, and
> > what I thot wuz an effect wuz just bad accounting. On my face, I've
> > had a massive flare-up. It's peeling, weeping, red, and sore.
> > There's a bit on my right wrist that had cleared up in the last two
> > months, and now it's peeling again. The inside of my left wrist is
> > getting pretty bad all of a sudden. Niacin iz a dead end.
>
> Sorry to hear that. I just wish I could find something that would knock
> mine out. I have tried a variety of supplements and things applied
> externally and all do seem to help some but it just won't flipping go away.
> I am truly getting sick of people saying, "What's that thing on your head?"
Happy THANKsGIVING to YOU and Your FAMILY.
So far none of my offspring have psoriasis.
So i'm happy about that.
Besides me none of my family went psoriatic till around 50.
As i've spoken to quite a few psoriatics late and early
onset in the last month or so, we ARE all flaring this year
in close proximity time wise.
So if taking niacin in the middle of summer seems to WORK.
Or early in spring on April 5, 2006 then so BE it.
JIM said it worked for him:
Wed, Apr 5 2006 10:42 am
Subject: For what it is worth
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.skin-diseases.psoriasis/msg/f6e752fc20c582d7
or
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.skin-diseases.psoriasis/browse_frm/thread/de6e67d5336515c9/18c57daca64a189a#18c57daca64a189a
And most of the people i've tried to help didn't stop flaring much and
doing what i do took me back down in about 10 days to about where i
was
when i started.
I wonder if i took some niacin if it would have gone a little faster?
What does work supplement wise for me is NAC, ALA, ALC, iodine,
omega-3,
and CoQ10 (Ubiquinol)etc.
And in particular on my radar is carnitine right now.
ALC.
So if you would like to see my notes i'll post them.
randall... the smell is driving me NUTz... LOL (take niacin today bb?)
Bohgosity BumaskiL
Nov 23, 2012, 1:39:59 AM11/23/12
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On 2012-11-22 10:35 AM, randall wrote:
(...)
> (take niacin today bb?)
No. It wuz making thingz worse,
so I dumped it all down the toilet.
Congratulations on getting a post through the cancelbot, Randall.
(...)
> (take niacin today bb?)
No. It wuz making thingz worse,
so I dumped it all down the toilet.
Congratulations on getting a post through the cancelbot, Randall.
Julie Bove
Nov 23, 2012, 7:49:38 AM11/23/12
to
iodine but am a little hesitant to take it because I have since determined
that my multi has it in there and my thyroid is fine. But I still have the
goiter... I take carnitine, ALA, Omega 3 (flax and flaxseed oil) and also
CoQ! 10 plus a whole slew of other things.
Patch my my forehead is spreading. Very annoying. Although there really
isn't swelling or oozing or insane itching, the flaking peeling area is
getting bigger. It's just sort of pink now and somewhat smoother to the
touch.
randall
Nov 27, 2012, 12:47:58 PM11/27/12
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On Nov 23, 4:48 am, "Julie Bove" <julieb...@frontier.com> wrote:
> randall wrote:
> > On Nov 21, 3:17 am, "Julie Bove" <julieb...@frontier.com> wrote:
> >> "Bohgosity BumaskiL" <brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> wrote in
> >> message
>
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> >>> On 2012-11-19 4:07 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >>>> "Bohgosity BumaskiL" <brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> wrote in
> >>>> messagenews:agrvn3...@mid.individual.net...
> randall wrote:
> > On Nov 21, 3:17 am, "Julie Bove" <julieb...@frontier.com> wrote:
> >> "Bohgosity BumaskiL" <brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> wrote in
> >> message
>
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> >>> On 2012-11-19 4:07 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >>>> "Bohgosity BumaskiL" <brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> wrote in
> > or
> >https://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.skin-diseases.psoriasis/b...
>
> > And most of the people i've tried to help didn't stop flaring much and
> > doing what i do took me back down in about 10 days to about where i
> > was
> > when i started.
>
> > I wonder if i took some niacin if it would have gone a little faster?
>
> > What does work supplement wise for me is NAC, ALA, ALC, iodine,
> > omega-3,
> > and CoQ10 (Ubiquinol)etc.
>
> > And in particular on my radar is carnitine right now.
>
> > ALC.
>
> > So if you would like to see my notes i'll post them.
>
> > randall... the smell is driving me NUTz... LOL (take niacin today bb?)
>
> What is NAC? And ALC? And how much iodine do you take? I ordered some
> iodine but am a little hesitant to take it because I have since determined
> that my multi has it in there and my thyroid is fine. But I still have the
> goiter... I take carnitine, ALA, Omega 3 (flax and flaxseed oil) and also
> CoQ! 10 plus a whole slew of other things.
>
> Patch my my forehead is spreading. Very annoying. Although there really
> isn't swelling or oozing or insane itching, the flaking peeling area is
> getting bigger. It's just sort of pink now and somewhat smoother to the
> touch.
Dear Julie,
> > And most of the people i've tried to help didn't stop flaring much and
> > doing what i do took me back down in about 10 days to about where i
> > was
> > when i started.
>
> > I wonder if i took some niacin if it would have gone a little faster?
>
> > What does work supplement wise for me is NAC, ALA, ALC, iodine,
> > omega-3,
> > and CoQ10 (Ubiquinol)etc.
>
> > And in particular on my radar is carnitine right now.
>
> > ALC.
>
> > So if you would like to see my notes i'll post them.
>
> > randall... the smell is driving me NUTz... LOL (take niacin today bb?)
>
> What is NAC? And ALC? And how much iodine do you take? I ordered some
> iodine but am a little hesitant to take it because I have since determined
> that my multi has it in there and my thyroid is fine. But I still have the
> goiter... I take carnitine, ALA, Omega 3 (flax and flaxseed oil) and also
> CoQ! 10 plus a whole slew of other things.
>
> Patch my my forehead is spreading. Very annoying. Although there really
> isn't swelling or oozing or insane itching, the flaking peeling area is
> getting bigger. It's just sort of pink now and somewhat smoother to the
> touch.
I've taken a few days to TRY to think this over. And my entire
purpose HeRE thanks
to bB.. btw.
While i'm feeling your PAIN, it's time to exPain via iodine MAYBE.
Found ONLINE a slide show site with a Bunch of Doctor's who push
iodine
and allied supplements to slow or STOP Cancer (and your goiter) and a
host
of problems they blame on this one supplement.
This is xlnt as i just went over MOST of it.
And even though i take it either in kelp pills or simply BY eating
kelp.
YamaMOTo Toasted Seaweed nori
Nanum JKFood Traditionally Seasoned seaweed
Nature's Way Kelp pills (400 mcg's)
I go to ranch market 99 but i find it in closer LOCAL stores NOW:
http://www.99ranch.com/
Also consume more foods HIGH in iodine oddly enough . <W>
But what the slide show has is quite higher dosages then mere pills.
i see two stores in Seattle
http://www.99ranch.com/show_info.php?page_id=31
----------OK that slide SHOW:
Dr. Guy Abraham & dr. david brownstein et al - 95% of folks are iodine
imPaired.. and worse!
Iodoral - Lugol's solution:
http://www.slideshare.net/MedicineAndHealth14/iodine#btnNext
What is Iodoral? Slide #69 of 95
http://image.slidesharecdn.com/iodine-1233926928090255-2/95/slide-69-728.jpg?1233927050
< www.breastcancerchoices.org >
See slide #65 of 95 to see if this is YOU:
http://image.slidesharecdn.com/iodine-1233926928090255-2/95/slide-65-728.jpg?1233927050
slide # 27 of 95 : potassium bromate (yikes! caveat on BREAD / baked
goods)
http://image.slidesharecdn.com/iodine-1233926928090255-2/95/slide-27-728.jpg?1233927050
slide : 34 of 95 tells you the detox for it:
http://image.slidesharecdn.com/iodine-1233926928090255-2/95/slide-34-728.jpg?1233927050
HOW much for LOADING dosage (Dr.'s Flechas, Meletis and Brownstein)
and getting it RIGHT:
slide # 66 of 95:
http://image.slidesharecdn.com/iodine-1233926928090255-2/95/slide-66-728.jpg?1233927050
Also Fluoride (Dr. Donald Miller) and mercury and other considerations
for uPtaking iodine
medical iodophobia 12.5-50 mg/day guy abraham
guaifenesin with iodine
Thyroid with increased T4 and stable T3
iodine loading test from www.vrp.com
slide 73/95
http://image.slidesharecdn.com/iodine-1233926928090255-2/95/slide-73-728.jpg?1233927050
slide 76/95 other synergistic supplements
http://image.slidesharecdn.com/iodine-1233926928090255-2/95/slide-76-728.jpg?1233927050
Dr. William Shevin - Bromine Detox with Chlorides (salt)
#78/95
http://image.slidesharecdn.com/iodine-1233926928090255-2/95/slide-78-728.jpg?1233927050
With Vitamin B2 and B3 for Fibromyalgia (Dr. Flechas)
slide #84
http://image.slidesharecdn.com/iodine-1233926928090255-2/95/slide-84-728.jpg?1233927050
Dr. Flechas vitamin protocol
http://image.slidesharecdn.com/iodine-1233926928090255-2/95/slide-89-728.jpg?1233927050
Resource links:
http://image.slidesharecdn.com/iodine-1233926928090255-2/95/slide-94-728.jpg?1233927050
iodine notes
http://www.slideshare.net/roger961/iodine-5514005
http://www.slideshare.net/roger961/word-document-5514188
<note: didn't click so scrool this document>
http://www.slideshare.net/brucelee55/the-powerpoint-slides-i-used-for-it-here
========================
Once again ACTIONs speak louder then WORDs here!
We can jawbone it or EAT it... LOL
Or not EAT it and thereby EAT it.. LOL
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for nac and ALC... cysteine or carnitine or both.
CARNITINE is maybe the KEY stone!
and
You don't have to go NUTs eating red meat (highest in carnitine).
see food levels:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnitine#Food
Don't go ALL luau now.. LOL
Does Obama eat a TON of this once back in Hawaii or what?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luau
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalua_pig
I eat very little RED meat (no negative connotation on RED meant here
btw :) compared to days gone bye bye.
And zero PORK till recently but still watch it closely as AA
(arachidonic acid)
and the ROs cascade is a constant FEAR (either REAL or imagined.. LOL)
And STILL enjoy red meat (pork by default see carnitine foods) ALMOST
as much albeit with less consumption.
For the joys of not being a vegetarian.
see Weston Price foundation.
<will do a NEW thread on this.. as i had a nice experience with WPF
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weston_price_foundation
OK... so what is ALC.
ALC is Acetylcarnitine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetylcarnitine
carnitine: 164 hits - p ng
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.skin-diseases.psoriasis/search?q=carnitine&start=0&
and/or
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.skin-diseases.psoriasis/browse_frm/thread/bac0ec6d532d9f6c/6e004e3341a4b90d?lnk=gst&q=carnitine#6e004e3341a4b90d
ALC - 149 hits - p ng
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.skin-diseases.psoriasis/search?q=alc&start=0&
Many sites life life extension and vrp and others push PLC:
PLC -74 hits : (Propionyl L-Carnitine ) or (Pityriasis Lichenoides
Chronica)- p ng
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.skin-diseases.psoriasis/search?q=plc&start=0&
I challenge BB to use PLC: August 9th, 2012 iirc (but he's cancel
Botted me so he may not see this or it?)
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.skin-diseases.psoriasis/browse_frm/thread/4bb637fc2550fed7/dda80fca9eb8841a?lnk=gst&q=plc#dda80fca9eb8841a
carnitine is high in red meat:
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.skin-diseases.psoriasis/search?q=carnitine+red+meat&start=0&
ok..
and NAC is
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetylcysteine
Acetylcysteine rINN ( /əˌsɛtəlˈsɪstiːn/), also known as N-
acetylcysteine or N-acetyl-L-cysteine (abbreviated NAC), is a
pharmaceutical drug and nutritional supplement used primarily as a
mucolytic agent and in the management of paracetamol (acetaminophen)
overdose. Other uses include sulfate repletion in conditions, such as
autism, where cysteine and related sulfur amino acids may be depleted.
[2]
Acetylcysteine is a derivative of cysteine; an acetyl group is
attached to the nitrogen atom. This compound is sold as a dietary
supplement commonly claiming antioxidant and liver protecting effects.
It is used as a cough medicine because it breaks disulfide bonds in
mucus and liquefies it, making it easier to cough up. It is also this
action of breaking disulfide bonds that makes it useful in thinning
the abnormally thick mucus in cystic and pulmonary fibrosis patients.
<snip>
And as carnitine can lower your LEAKY Gut and MINE.. it's so helpful!
Unless once the card14 mutation kicks in we can't over come the ROS.
Which is what i think about 24/7.
And i'm over come with thoughts.. LOL
And my brain has anti-ROS going on 24/7.
and then... i'm distracted by pancan (pancreatic cancer) and hiv/aids
and
cancer and ALL autoimmune conditions.
But there are caveats for these supplements as well.
The carnitine may feed something (negative pathway for autoimmunity)
i've noticed.
OK so i WILL do another thread on this.
I know your bored with these WORDs..
Actions speak volumes LOUDER and we need to be on the RIGHT PATH.
thank you for asking btw.
I hope you enjoy the slideshow as much as it.
a real EYE opener.. literally.
next thread: how LDN (low dose naltrexone) and carnitine
may be our savior's... for Leaky gut (see: zonulin, loose junctions,
permeable etc)
randall..
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