Pagano Recipes...maybe a top ten list.

[Bohgosity BumaskiL]

Anybody got favourite recipes from this guy? He wrote a book on the
natural way to treat this disease -- probably includes UV and salt
water, which is the major part of what Longnecker promotes.

Anyway, he wrote a sequel, probably because the herbs Pagano wants
us to eat are hard to use for being obscure. He wrote a cook book.

http://www.google.ca/search?&q=pagano+cookbook

Maybe you can include your mods if you've actually used it.
I would also be interested in just the top ten list of herbs
recommended. It's probably in the book I will borrow from my
library, today.

[Bohgosity BumaskiL]

Let food be your medicine. Let medicine be your food.
--Hippocrates

It turns out that Pagano does not favour PUVA. He does favour salt
baths (Epsom, four pounds per tub, 106F) and steam baths. I was
expecting a vejan regimen, and he only favours low-fat. A lot of hiz
advice seemz to be standard fare. Different iz hiz recommendation to
avoid things from the NightShade family (Tomatoes, Paprika, the
Jalapeno genus, and white potatoes). Different also iz that he
probably orijinated the concept of eating foods that ash to alkalinity
(or promoted this concept from Edgar Cayce), at a preference of eighty
to twenty. He says that some of hiz patients get away with nothing but
dietary recommendations, which iz good, because I am not too keen on
enemas. I hav no clue how diuretics like Oolong (a mix of black and
green tea) and Saffron tea are supposed to work.

I dropped coffee. The diets in Chapter Five are vejan and temporary.

I do not hav a serious case, yet, and there are times in the day when
my arms are pink and itchy, so I certainly hope to make this diet
work. Hiz estimate of how long it should take iz about three months
(Hiz statistics range from thirty days to two years). It would be nice
to get rid of the patch on my arm and smaller bits on my calves before
summer.

[JRStern]

On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 23:24:31 -0800 (PST), Bohgosity BumaskiL
<brew...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> wrote:

>Let food be your medicine. Let medicine be your food.
>--Hippocrates
>
>It turns out that Pagano does not favour PUVA. He does favour salt
>baths (Epsom, four pounds per tub, 106F) and steam baths. I was
>expecting a vejan regimen, and he only favours low-fat. A lot of hiz
>advice seemz to be standard fare. Different iz hiz recommendation to
>avoid things from the NightShade family (Tomatoes, Paprika, the
>Jalapeno genus, and white potatoes).

If you are looking for nutritional tips regarding psoriasis you can
scan the archives of this group.

If you are overweight, that is probably the first thing to address,
whatever your diet.

Reduce your omega-6 consumption and balance it with omega-3.
Generally this means much less red meat, and omega-3 (generally fish
oil) supplements. Fried food is generally a no-no.

I've toyed with eliminating wheat, gluten, and nightshades - and seen
no results. YMMV.

I find spicy foods tend to increase short-term itchiness, not sure it
has any further effects.

My advice: certainly try turmeric! Either the plain spice, a
teaspoonful twice a day, mixed into whatever you like, or preferably
the capsules with the active ingredient curcumin concentrated 3:1,
taken with a fish oil capsule twice a day, I have found this MUCH more
effective than even the spice. Turmeric/curcumin apparently reduces
TNF, the same MOA as the fancy biological drugs, though to a more
modest degree (at least in modest doses).


J.

[Bohgosity BumaskiL]

On 2012-02-19 12:27 PM, JRStern wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 23:24:31 -0800 (PST), Bohgosity BumaskiL
> <brew...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>> Let food be your medicine. Let medicine be your food.
>> --Hippocrates
>>
>> It turns out that Pagano does not favour PUVA. He does favour salt
>> baths (Epsom, four pounds per tub, 106F) and steam baths.

To the salt baths bit, I should add that what Pagano means by that
high salt concentration iz to osmotically suck water through your
skin; promote sweating, removing what iz taxing your liver and
kidneys. So, you should hydrate yourself in an ample way before
these things, say by drinking all of your six eight-ounce glasses of
water beforehand.

Water conditioner salt iz quite a bit cheaper than Epsom (Magnesium
Sulphate), and I do not see any compelling reason not to agree with
Longnecker on that issue and go with Sodium Chloride water
conditioner salt.

These baths are painful, sometimes. I take it. I am not sure that
temperature iz necessary, either, especially if you are alone. I
suited the water to my taste, and found the temperature to be 101F.
Hopefully, that's accurate, because it's a dijital thermometer.

>> I was
>> expecting a vejan regimen, and he only favours low-fat. A lot of hiz
>> advice seemz to be standard fare. Different iz hiz recommendation to
>> avoid things from the NightShade family (Tomatoes, Paprika, the
>> Jalapeno genus, and white potatoes).
>
> If you are looking for nutritional tips regarding psoriasis you can
> scan the archives of this group.

"Healing Psoriasis" contains a reprint of a Reader's digest table of
the supplements recommended for Psoriasis. It omitted Turmeric.

This seems like a good list:
http://theconsciouslife.com/top-10-anti-inflammatory-foods.htm

> If you are overweight, that is probably the first thing to address,
> whatever your diet.

Technically, I am overweight. My pants are rather loose, though.

> Reduce your omega-6 consumption and balance it with omega-3.
> Generally this means much less red meat, and omega-3 (generally fish
> oil) supplements. Fried food is generally a no-no.

From what I can gather, omega-3 iz relatively rare in seeds:
Sunflower and Avocado contain quite a bit more omega-6. Flax and
Borage oil seem to be the cat's meow in plant-derived omega-3
(ALA?), although there are strains of algae that produce it.
According to Doctor Oz, fish do not produce omega-3: They eat it, so
he consumes an algae-derived EPA/GLA...

> I've toyed with eliminating wheat, gluten, and nightshades - and seen
> no results. YMMV.
>
> I find spicy foods tend to increase short-term itchiness, not sure it
> has any further effects.
>
> My advice: certainly try turmeric! Either the plain spice, a
> teaspoonful twice a day, mixed into whatever you like, or preferably
> the capsules with the active ingredient curcumin concentrated 3:1,
> taken with a fish oil capsule twice a day, I have found this MUCH more
> effective than even the spice. Turmeric/curcumin apparently reduces
> TNF, the same MOA as the fancy biological drugs, though to a more
> modest degree (at least in modest doses).
>
>
> J.
>

I do not know if this site orijinated the standard for nutritional
labeling, and they sure make a good show of it:
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/fruits-and-fruit-juices/1843/2
There's the Avocado. Onions hav a good anti-inflammatory rating.
Turmeric is over four times that. It's a very nice site; contains a
lot of details that you won't see on packages, because there just
isn't enough space.

One teaspoon of Turmeric goes good with about three cups (441mL) of
pineapple pyuuray.

I've had chronic rhinitis in recent years.
My nasal kunjeschun is dropping.
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[Bohgosity BumaskiL]

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I hav a nice recipe here, developed on pretty much a whim to _gain
weight_, since much of Pagano's advice leads to losing weight and
purging. All ingredients in any recipe are optional, and feel free
to suit your own taste with amounts.

Mix 355mL water mixed with five tablespoons of sugar, and add az
needed to keep the mixture blending.

Stick these in a blender in roughly this order, and spin blender
after addition of liquid:
One handful of Sunflower seeds, raw, N.S. (Inflammation Factor: ~11)
Ten Brazil Nuts. (I.F.: ~175)
1/2 of sugar water
One half of a cup (74mL) of wine (YTMV, could be juice).
Three capsules of soy lecithin. (Prefer tablespoon of granules)
Three capsules of essential oils and plant sterols.
One capsule of 200iu vitamin E.
One third of a yellow onion. (I.F.: ~374)
1/2 of sugar water
One Avocado (I.F.: ~156)

Except for the Avocado, which varies a little bit according to which
variety, Inflammation Factors are estimates, because I do not hav a
scale, and the statistic iz approximate. I will be more accurate if
this recipe goes up on my web site or a follow-up.

Note: The onion probably reduces many of these fats, which may
become oxidized by the aeration of blending, and the flavour of it
decreases with time, so if you do not like it exactly fresh, then
try it after fifteen minutes. You might actually want more onion.

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[JRStern]

That http://nutritiondata.self.com site looks very nice, but I'm not
sure where they're getting their ratings on inflammation. Onions
anti-inflammatory?

Because I've found they can help with blood pressure I've actually
been making my own "onion slop" not too different from yours, that I
use with salads. Mine is more like:

J's Magic Hot and Cold Salad
----------------------------

One third of a yellow onion (~6 oz)
About 4oz canned/baked beans (or similar "Bush's Grillin' Beans" my
favorite)
Teaspoon poppy seeds
Half teaspoon granulated garlic
Medium fresh tomato
--
Six ounces or so red leaf lettuce
Two ounces or so walnut pieces
Hard-boiled omega-3 egg
Garlic pickle
Your choice of salad dressing
optional: canned beets (also good for BP)
optional: TJ's crumbled feta cheese (sheep/goat)

--

Chop onions into about 1" pieces, put in covered glass dish and
microwave about 90 seconds. Drain water. Add beans, poppy seeds,
garlic, and tomato cut in wedges or as you like. Microwave another
two minutes or so - mass of tomato can slow heating. Allow to cool.

Tear lettuce into salad-size pieces, add to salad bowl. Remove shell
from egg, add egg, pickle, walnuts to salad. Add small amount of
dressing as topping will serve, optionally add beets. Pour onion/bean
mixture on top for a hot/cold salad!

--

The only ingredients aimed directly at psoriasis are the poppy seed,
that I have found reduces sensitivity greatly, and the egg, which
seems to reduce tendency to bleed, the omega-3 helping to balance
omega-6. The garlic may help some. I have no real MOA for any of
these other than the omega-3, just anecdotes.

I also find this extremely yummy, though a lot of that is the
typically sugary sauce on the beans.

eight+ ounces of onions and/or beets is like taking a BP pill, it
*will* lower your BP significantly, so if you don't want that, cut the
total onion/beet amount to under 6 oz.

(if you are more ambitious, instead of just nuking the onions you can
carmelize them either old-style that takes hours, or by frying gently
on a hot pan as for Philly Steak sandwiches!)

When I feel it called for, I may substitute tuna or salmon for the
feta cheese, or add small amounts of other meat.

--

I believe the onion/beet lowers BP by supplying NO species, roughly
the way Viagra does (Viagra drug was originally *meant* as a BP med!).
Persians often have a raw onion appetizer for about that reason! But
for that reason, I wonder why someone thinks it is an anti-oxidant, NO
is also the most oxidizing compound in the body!

J.

ps - for more BP regulation, have half an ounce of dark chocolate (no
milk solids allowed). if you had any cheese in the salad, wait at
least an hour after the meal to eat the chocolate. chocolate
apparently lowers BP via beta blockers. chocolate also does have
anti-oxidant properties, though not major.

pps - a little cabernet sauvignon goes well with this all, and can
tide you over between the salad and the chocolate, as necessary. get
a little reservatrol the natural way!

[Bohgosity BumaskiL]

> That http://nutritiondata.self.com site looks very nice, but I'm not
> sure where they're getting their ratings on inflammation. Onions
> anti-inflammatory?

They are probably going on anti-oxidant (reducing) potential.
There are a number of tests. One iz ability to reduce Picrate.
In Vivo, you might feed Onion to Rats and give them an oxidant
poison (like nitrate) along with it. One set of controls would not
get the food being tested.

There are complications, though, because you do not want to make
anti-oxidants available to microbes. That would let them withstand
immune responses that are oxidant-based. Anti-oxidants are the
prevailing theory of anti-inflammation, though. It's just a matter
of your liver or pancreas supplying things like cu-Zn-SOD
(super-oxide dismutase) in packages that are destined for your cells.

I don't believe in MN-SOD for animals, BTW; looks like a microbial.

Oils are a bit more difficult to use in estimations, though, because
it iz oils that you are protecting with anti-oxidants, and yet they
figure into availability of hormones, like cortisol, which iz
definitely anti-inflammatory.

I would put much more weight; 80:20 on testing in vivo:vitro. I was
just looking at cabbage, though, and I was expecting a higher
number, because it's THE alternative anti-ulcer medication.

If you are interested in clot enhancement, look for Vitamin K.
http://nutritiondata.self.com/tools/nutrient-search
I would not recommend eggs for blood pressure, and you've still
gotta like some of your food at some point, so...

> I also find this extremely yummy, though a lot of that is the
> typically sugary sauce on the beans.
>
> eight+ ounces of onions and/or beets is like taking a BP pill, it
> *will* lower your BP significantly, so if you don't want that, cut the
> total onion/beet amount to under 6 oz.
>
> (if you are more ambitious, instead of just nuking the onions you can
> carmelize them either old-style that takes hours, or by frying gently
> on a hot pan as for Philly Steak sandwiches!)
>
> When I feel it called for, I may substitute tuna or salmon for the
> feta cheese, or add small amounts of other meat.
>

Almost all of my fish (except for rare occasions at a restaurant) in
the last ten years haz been straight out of a big 350mL can of
Salmon, with a teaspoon of horseradish powder, often in a sandwich,
sometimes with Olive Oil mayonnaise.

> --
>
> I believe the onion/beet lowers BP by supplying NO species, roughly
> the way Viagra does (Viagra drug was originally *meant* as a BP med!).
> Persians often have a raw onion appetizer for about that reason! But
> for that reason, I wonder why someone thinks it is an anti-oxidant, NO
> is also the most oxidizing compound in the body!

I suspect nitrogen oxide species come mostly from Beets in this
combination. I like the colour of alkaline Beets, and I really don't
need Iron. My hematocrit level is pretty high. With reducing agents
like Quercetin in Onions present, I think a reasonably functional
liver can deal with a little nitrate.

Amyl nitrate is a vasodialator for use during heart attack symptoms,
or other symptoms of high blood pressure. It's also subject to use
in sex.

NO might come from Onion, though.
Maybe it supplies nitrate at its roots to control soil microbes.

> J.
>
> ps - for more BP regulation, have half an ounce of dark chocolate (no
> milk solids allowed). if you had any cheese in the salad, wait at
> least an hour after the meal to eat the chocolate. chocolate
> apparently lowers BP via beta blockers. chocolate also does have
> anti-oxidant properties, though not major.

I might write wine out of my chocolate recipe
http://ecn.ab.ca/~brewhaha/Biology/Cocoa_Brazil.htm
because I hardly ever use it; tastes too strong.
I might write 2/3 cup of soaked flaxseed in, because it's
anti-inflammatory, horseradish would prevent flax oil from being
degraded, and so might cocoa. I soak my flaxseed in red cabbage juice.

[JRStern]

On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 05:00:39 -0700, Bohgosity BumaskiL
<brew...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> wrote:

>Almost all of my fish (except for rare occasions at a restaurant) in
>the last ten years haz been straight out of a big 350mL can of
>Salmon, with a teaspoon of horseradish powder, often in a sandwich,
>sometimes with Olive Oil mayonnaise.

I was doing mass quantities of horseradish and/or mustard for a while
(and have always eaten mass quantities of ginger), but decided at some
point that first, it wasn't doing much for the psoriasis, and second,
that it might be aggravating another and I think unrelated health
problem.

Canned pink (wild) salmon is just very good stuff, the bones all
softened up to boost the calcium and all.

J.

[randall]

On Feb 24, 9:38 am, JRStern <JRSt...@foobar.invalid> wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 05:00:39 -0700, Bohgosity BumaskiL
>

OK and if Bohgosity BumaskiL really really wants the benefits of that
fishy sandwich..

Add a half slice or two of ONION with that mayo and EVOO....

See 95 year old postal worker: Chester Reed:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.skin-diseases.psoriasis/search?q=95+year+old+postal+worker+reed&start=0&

And then add in a kilo of low sugar chocolate a week like Jeanne
Calment:


22 hits: calment chocolate - p ng
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.skin-diseases.psoriasis/search?q=jeanne+calment+chocolate&start=0&

And if you want some Brassica Juncea let's see yah!

12 hits: brassica Juncea - p ng
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.skin-diseases.psoriasis/search?q=brassica+juncea&start=0&

1780 hits : brassica juncea - pubmed
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=brassica%20juncea

12 of those 1780 have onions on the side:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=brassica%20juncea%20onion

But 74 of 1780 have glutathione
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=brassica%20juncea%20glutathione


Did Jake Perry's cats live to 34 and 38 and eat asparagus and broccoli
with their bacon and eggs?


Two hits... and i love both of my CATs ... maybe not as much as JAKE
Perry did.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.skin-diseases.psoriasis/search?q=jake+perry+creme+puff&start=0&

I should increase their glutathione levels?

And add in some ALA and ALC and and and ....

And take out the aspartame... LOL


Aspartame in the psor skin game.... WILL randall KILL his id squid or
the whole FISH called man..


man that smells like a tar baby...

I'm betting all bets are off... i mean on...

sorry id squid... if i take a jump ... you won't know unless we
BOUNCE...


Hey... stop it mister tar baby smells like... i'm not haPPy with
this...

can't we watch some boring the universe sexPands in to nothing and/or
came ...lol he said came..

FROM nothing?

Ok... here


have fun in the cosmic consciousness

http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2008/02/qa_turok?currentPage=all
notice three hits on hawking and turok BET....
------------

about 53 minutes long:

Neil Turok: What Caused The Big Bang?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9iJMWJdyw8


I propose that time is dependent on human consciousness....

And the last 13.72 billion years since some BB thing are one unit of
time.

So zero to 13.72 of earth type us things going around a star be
updated
to time to realization of what a BB is and how stuPidly people think.
LOL

Are we BB products and merely star dust?


Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young - Woodstock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sH0uR2u7Hs

Free LOVE /// read that sex... drugs and rock and roll?


You know?

You need copious amounts of nutrients if your about to survive that.
LOL



randall... did i forget something? i've got my groove on.... don't
ruin it.... aspartame is under control...

[Bohgosity BumaskiL]

Epsom Salt, four pounds per tub, 106F. That's too much and too hot.
On the label, it's about 500mL of salt, while four pounds iz a
little less than half of a 4kg container. I consumed three or four
litres of water during my long bath, with hardly any urination.
Sweating out toxin seems to be the point. I could hardly stand
getting the temperature over 103F, and after I got out, it was
rather painful, so I think I will stick with the label directions.

[JRStern]

Yikes. Yes, I'd go rather easier on that. I tried Epson salt in bath
a couple of times, and it may have upset my internal electrolytes. As
far as psoriasis goes, I had reasonable success with modest amounts of
table salt.

J.

[Bohgosity BumaskiL]

I plan to get a bag of aquarium salt, because I see no advantage in
Magnesium Sulphate over Sodium Chloride, except price. The osmotic
motion of ions iz water outward. Very few of the ions would go
inward to upset your electrolyte balance.

Pagano haz a chapter about treating Atopic Dermatitis (Ekzema).
Different problem, same solution; more fruit and vegetables.