John Pagano
Eliz
I'm new to this group but have learned loads from what I've
read. But can somebody please send me Dr.J. Paganos Diet. I
would really like to try it.
I have about 50 to 60% coverage at the moment and I really
would like to avoid severe medication.
If you could let me know where to get this diet I would
apprecaite it!
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Eliz <eflynn27...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> Hello Folks
>
> I'm new to this group but have learned loads from what I've
> read. But can somebody please send me Dr.J. Paganos Diet. I
> would really like to try it.
>
> I have about 50 to 60% coverage at the moment and I really
> would like to avoid severe medication.
>
> If you could let me know where to get this diet I would
> apprecaite it!
>
>
Same here..... I will try anything that isnt in a pill......... Who knows it
might " HELP "
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Avagard
>would really like to try it.
Go to:
http://www.jhj.com/pbooks/
While I think Pagano's diet theory is not valid, if you are going to purchase
his book, please try this website.
It was established by a member of the newsgroup and some of the profit from the
purchase of books about psoriasis goes to The National Psoriasis Foundation.
Thanks,
Ava
Fenris
follow it, but from what Iıve read it has seemed impractical, much more
extreme and difficult than it has needed to be for me. I havenıt been
inspired to buy his book. I have gluttonous tendencies; so I aim for
gourmet instead of gourmand. I find it important to distinguish between
absolute avoidance and minimizing or avoiding regular consumption, which
may be difficult enough when addiction is involved.
Triggers: I do not think that the allergy model applies--except, perhaps
in the special case of pruritus (itching), which may be an allergic
complication. I have found it more useful to think in terms of what foods
have in common than in eliminating particular ones--other than the
beverages. I think that the factors to watch are fats/protein?, acids,
and, I think, what may be a lengthy list of the compounds plants use to
defend themselves against being eaten by more vulnerable creatures than
we: caffeine, tannin or tannic acid (tea and grape skins), lectins
(beans), solanines (peppers, tomatoes, potatoes) and vitamin A. Daily or
regular consumption of alcohol, coffee, tea, juices, or carbonated
beverages tends not to work for me, but, even knowing that, I sometimes
delude myself into re-testing limits. I have also found that it is easy to
give up one beverage only to subsitute for it another just as bad, which
led me to the mistaken conclusion that I had no problem with the first. I
believe that giving up the beverages other than water is a rational place
to begin with a simplification of oneıs diet, as they are either
nutrionally expendible or worthless.
Fats: It was the opinion of health food guru Adelle Davis that psoriasis
was the result of faulty fat metabolism. I think fat consumption is
definitely a factor. I donıt know if it matters whether the fat is animal
or vegetable, but, for whatever reason, Dr. Andrew Weil advises also
avoiding pro-inflammatory oils (all polyunsaturated vegetable oils,
margarines, and partially hydrogenated oils). Fats seem to show up
particularly as psoriasis on my scalp. (Test it yourself with frenchfries
and donuts!) I aim for low fat consumption, keeping my salad dressings
light, both in oil and acids. I cook with peanut oil or canola, and I use
small amounts of butter. There is some thought that the fats in coldwater
fish (such as tuna and salmon) are beneficial. I canıt say I have noticed
any effect from taking Omega-3 oils on a regular basis, but some report it
is a useful thing to do. I probably eat fish a couple of times a week or
more. The following URL contains some useful suggestions for reducing fat
in oneıs diet: http://www.quackwatch.com/03HealthPromotion/lowfat.html
Protein: I donıt know to what extent my problem with meats is the protein
and to what extent it is the fat. I havenıt found a significant difference
between red meats and poultry. I eat a variety of meats, usually in small
quantities (think ³Oriental²). I find support in the nutritional belief
that Americans consume way more protein than is necessary or good for
them. I have not been able to bring myself to try the so-called
Paleolithic Diet, eating meat and fats instead of grains/cereals; Iıll
leave that to some other brave soul.
Carbohydrates: I donıt know if carbohydrates are a factor or if it is a
matter of the particular proteins or amounts of proteins associated with
different sources. I seem to do better with more rice or even corn, than
lots of wheat/oats or potatoes. Iıve found some wheat products, such as
English muffins, extremely constipating, and that, whatever the effect of
wheat, does not help my skin. Clearly fat is a major consideration in the
consumption of pastries. I find it easiest not to try to keep cookies
around the house. If I buy a bag of Milano cookies they are gone that day.
I found improvement when I quit my morning regimen of oatmeal, doing
better with a wheatless, honey-puffed cereal from Trader Joeıs. I do not
attempt to avoid all consumption of wheat and oats; Iıve merely reduced
it. I have potato maybe twice a week.
Sugar: As with caffeine, I have been unable to ascertain the degree to
which it may be a factor for me. It is certainly a component in foods and
beverages which cause me trouble, but sugar-free versions of the same will
also cause me trouble. I cutting out those foods which are high in sugar
might well be useful for other reasons. I suppose one might test the sugar
factor by drinking plain sugar water or eating lots of plain sugar, but I
am not inspired to do put myself through that.
Dairy: I confine regular or daily consumption of dairy to grating
parmesan on salads and a little 2% milk on cereal. Obviously dairy is high
in fat content; I also find it very constipating. The last time I drank
milk on a regular basis the back of my neck broke out badly with
psoriasis. If I am a guest or eating out, I donıt worry about cheese or
ice cream; I donıt try to keep them in the house, as I donıt trust my
willpower when it comes to rationing them. As for the constipation, I
would rather modify my diet than take laxatives. Pagano prescribes enemas
for ³purifying² the intestine, but I cannot imagine they are of long-term
benefit and might actually be harmful.
Yeast: I have read of evidence of a higher titre of particles of yeast and
other intestinal bacteria in the bloodstreams of psoriatics. I suspect
that yeast can at the least be a complication. I think it might be wise to
avoid consuming large amounts of combinations of things that cause yeast
to flourish, e.g., grains with sugar and/or fruit/juice. I gather there
are some yeasts that live on fat. Years ago I tried doing an anti-yeast
diet with no apparent result. I donıt think there is much point to trying
to eliminate all yeast from oneıs system, as yeast is everywhere. I am
curious about rumors regarding the benefits of particular antibiotics for
psoriasis, but I would hesitate, myself, to take any on a permanent basis.
Caffeine: I have read that caffeine has been found to stimulate cell
division. I donıt know the extent to which it contributes to my psoriasis,
as decaffinated varieties of all of the same beverages also cause me
trouble. I do think that it contributes to flaking. (Test it yourself by
washing down those donuts with coffee and seeing how your scalp does the
next day.) Caffeine has been implicated in pruritus (itching), but it has
not been a significant factor in my psoriatic itching, which has been,
mercifully, rare. I am very suspicious of the role of caffeine in
psoriasis, as it is one of the compounds which plants have evolved to
defend themselves against being eaten. I am at least as intolerant of tea
as coffee. Eating large amounts of chocolate (a pound in two or three
days) makes my skin worse; I don't think small quantities hurt.
Pruritus (itching): Back in the early 70s I was told by a dermatologist at
the U. of Oregon Med. School that psoriasis does not itch unless there is
an allergic complication, a reaction to something topical and/or dietary.
It is the most useful information I ever received from a dermatologist. It
seems to me that one of the reasons I quit topical cortizones, many years
ago, was the conviction that the itching was related to whatever cream or
ointment I was using at that time. I have also sought out hypo-allergenic
moisturizers. Clearly another possibility would be itching as a result
yeast infections of psoriatic skin, especially in those moist, warm places
where yeast infections are most common. I associate my worst episodes of
chronic itching of plaques with consumption of whole wheat and cheese. I
associate dramatic flares of scarlet, itching psoriasis in the pectoral
regions with having consumed combinations of large quantities and multiple
meals of whole wheat, beef/onion/potato stew, and beer/wine. I can easily
imagine such a diet leading to the need for my hospitalization. The
condition cleared after several, very, very unpleasant days.
Stress: I donıt regard stress as a problem in my life. I long ago conluded
it is largely relative to oneıs perspective. I have never been persuaded
that stress plays any role in my psoriasis, but I have noticed that both
psoriasis has caused me a lot of stress and that caffeine (coffee, tea,
and chocolate) increases my stress level dramatically. I know I tend to
eat and drink differently in times of stress; I can easily imagine that
other people do, also.
Legumes: I have conjectured that the problem Iıve observed with
large/regular amounts of lentils and the dried beans such as pintos and
kidneys) is due to their lectins, but they are also high in protein. At
any rate, theyıve caused me a dramatic reddening of existing plaques; so I
do not eat them daily or in large amounts. I have not found a problem with
fairly regular or large consumption of peas, green beans, limas, or
garbanzos (chickpeas)--except maybe for gas! Eating some peanuts
(dry-roasted or blistered) seems to work for me; eating peanut butter on a
regular basis does not. The difference may be in the hydrogenated or
partially hydrogenated oils. I do not have an opinion about soy beans; I
havenıt seen a problem with soy sauce--which I think is on Paganoıs taboo
list.
Nightshades: I have not observed any problem with consumption of the
occasional fresh tomato, green pepper, chile, potato, or eggplant. I use
paprika. Iım not likely to eat more than a couple of potatoes a week. I
donıt happen to eat eggplant often; Iıd be more concerned about the amount
of oil with which it is usually prepared, and I happen to be allergic to
olives/olive oil. I do avoid any daily consumption of concentrated tomato
products, such as juice or soup; I minimize tomato sauce on pasta. I do
not worry about condiments, such as catsup, which is likely to be the
least of my problem with Frecnh fries. :)
Tobacco: I was a moderate smoker for about thirteen years. When I quit I
did not notice any improvement in my psoriasis, but there was a definite
improvement in my circulation, and I think the texture and feeling of my
skin improved. Psoriasis quite aside, I think smoking was a really bad
idea, and I would encourage anyone to quit anyway.
Nails: Carbonated beverages and alcohol both wreck my nails, and Iım also
suspicious of the effects of large amounts of either juice or coffee.
Alas, it takes a LONG time for them to grow out, again. My latest
experiment with a small amount of daily coffee seemed to result in brittle
toenails. I also have some concerns about the possible role of sugar in
nail involvement.
Palms & Soles: I havenıt had trouble with them except when drinking
carbonated beverages on a daily basis. They have always cleared pretty
quickly. For me they have always been the last place affected. (I think
the scalp may be the first.)
Fruits & Vegies: Eating a variety of fresh fruits and vegetables works for
me; drinking large, daily amounts of juices does not. I conjecture that
the problems with juices are a combination of acid, perhaps additives such
as preservatives and vitamin C, and in the concentration of those
marvelous compounds plants use to ward off insects. One could probably
replicate the effect by eating large amounts of particular vegetables. I
avoid large, regular amounts of those high in vitamin A. Iıve found large
amounts of summer squash, cauliflower, and mushrooms harmless.
Spices: I havenıt isolated any spices as being a significant problem for
me, but then I donıt eat chiles or curries on a daily basis. I donıt worry
about them. Life is short. MSG gives me headaches, which is, I gather, a
common response.
Dietary Supplements: Taking daily multiple vitamins has made my skin
worse--a gradual process--and taking vitamin C daily has also given me
dramatic rheumatoid symptoms in my knuckles. I havenıt observed that
vitamin E helped my skin, but it was sure great for my libido--alas, it
also hastened hair loss associated with male pattern baldness, which seems
a rational, hormonal relationship, as E stimulates the production of
testosterone. I tried lecithin years ago--on the advice of Adelle Davis, I
think--but I did not notice any effects. I have found some benefit from 50
mg. daily of grape seed extract (an anti-oxident), a daily B-complex, and
EPO. (I was initially more interested in the relationship between
B12/folic acid and reducing the risk of heart disease.) Andrew Weil
suggests GLA or gamma-linoleic acid, found in black currant and
evening-primrose oil, suggesting a two-month trial. (He says the former,
in doses of 500 mg., twice per day, is cheaper.) Others have reported good
results with their nails, in particular, and I think my experience bears
it out. The effects of EPO and the B-12 are not rapid. I am not optimistic
that there exists some magical supplement which would permit loss of all
dietary restraint. Weil also suggests taking beta-carotene, but I think
he is misguided in this, as I believe it stimulates skin growth, and that
would seem the last thing anyone with psoriasis would wish to encourage.
I have found it very useful to consider how my diet (including beverage
consumption) changed when my symptoms first appeared or got worse
(beginning with the increased dietary autonomy of adolescence), and I find
it useful to pay attention to diet and what is going on with any
particular place on my skin. Dietary things can sneak up, but if there is
affected skin to study, some reactions may be observed within about a day.
Itıs your skin; pay attention to it; study it; play with it. Go ahead and
prove to yourself that too much of something makes your skin worse and is
something which should be moderated. It is reversible. Absolute avoidance
of most things is probably not necessary; regular, daily consumption may
be. Gain some control.
Best wishes,
Terry
(in sunny Tucson, Arizona, USA)
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moneyf...@my-deja.com
Just wondering why you think Pagano's diet is not valid...I live not to far
from his office and recently started his diet..iF I don;t improve soon, I may
go to see him. I have no reason to believe one way or the other if it is any
good yet. Still waiting for results...they seem to come and go , so far.
However, I am a strong believer in Edgar Cayce, which is why I am trying
this.. thanks Debbie
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Paul Chapman
yeast infection. Eg avoid sugars and complex carbohydrates, avoid spicey
foods and alcohol.
"Years ago I tried doing an anti-yeast diet with no apparent result" - but
did you take anything to eliminate an excess of yeast, such as Nystatin or
Diflucan?
I am saying this because I took diflucan recently along with twice daily
mouthwash of anitfungal, and my P is the lightest colour of red it has ever
been. And little flaking.
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Eliz wrote:
Hello Folks
I'm new to this group but have learned loads from what I've
read. But can somebody please send me Dr.J. Paganos Diet. I
would really like to try it.
I have about 50 to 60% coverage at the moment and I really
would like to avoid severe medication.
If you could let me know where to get this diet I would
apprecaite it!
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Avagard
I'm not saying you shouldn't try it. Many have posted their successes with
Pagano and many have been disappointed.
It is my opinion that while certain food and beverages can trigger flares, diet
has nothing much to do with ps or pa. It certainly has never had anything to do
with mine.
I wish it were that easy. I'm afraid that I believe the prevailing medical
theory and evidience that it is a genetic disorder causing one's immune system
to go out-of-whack (I hope my scientific explanation isn't too tough to
follow..tee hee) and that until genetic researchers figure out a way to alter
this genetic predisposition, it remains an incurable disease. I'm sorry to say
that I am sceptic, an Atheist and a hard nut to crack in terms of anything I
cannot see, touch, hear, etc., so Edgar Cayce is not on the list of people I
take seriously.
Now, having said all that, and don't forget you asked, give Pagano a try! I
live on a diet of prescriptions and shots, so if you can get your illness under
control this way, do it! Whether the diet is what's working, or a belief that
it will work (placebo effect) the point is, if it works, by all means, do it!
Let us know how you do.
Good Luck,
Ava
Fenris
<c.hap...@virgin.net> wrote:
> In my unprofessional opinion, 90% of what you have written here ties in with
> yeast infection. Eg avoid sugars and complex carbohydrates, avoid spicey
> foods and alcohol.
Spicey foods don't seem to bother me. Some alcoholic beverages do seem
worse than others, e.g. beer and red wine.
> "Years ago I tried doing an anti-yeast diet with no apparent result" - but
> did you take anything to eliminate an excess of yeast, such as Nystatin or
> Diflucan?
Nystatin.
> I am saying this because I took diflucan recently along with twice daily
> mouthwash of anitfungal, and my P is the lightest colour of red it has ever
> been. And little flaking.
Interesting. I don't think there is much doubt that yeast can at least be
a major complication of psoriasis, even to the point of infecting affected
tissue, but I'm not sure I'd put money on its being the cause.
I've also wondered if the grapeseed extract might not be suppressing
yeast, as I seem to recall reading in my winemaking days that grapeseeds
contain something which does that.
Best wishes,
Terry
eve...@rocketmail.com
"Paul Chapman" <c.hap...@virgin.net> wrote:
>>Dr. Andrew Weil advises also
> > avoiding pro-inflammatory oils (all polyunsaturated vegetable oils,
> > margarines, and partially hydrogenated oils). Fats seem to show up
> > particularly as psoriasis on my scalp. (Test it yourself with
frenchfries
> > and donuts!) I aim for low fat consumption,
I am not knocking your choice for a low fat consumption, that is your
choice, but it does not follow that if certain fats are
pro-inflammatory then you should cut out all fats. That is the faulty
reasoning behind the "low-fat heart healthy" diet. If you have no fat in
your diet then you absolutely must have a high carb intake. Carbs are
your fuel in the absence of fat and fat is your fuel in the absence of
carbs. This high carb compensation lead to the current epidemic of
insulin related problems, including, ironically, heart disease. If you
keep the insulin quiet then you must REDUCE the carbs and absolutely
must INCREASE the fat, but the fat should be of the correct type. There
is the real problem. What is the optimal type and mix of fat intake ? An
entire discussion on it's own.
Steve
DaveW
>Purchase his book Healing Psoriais Naturally at: 1-800-919-4001.
It's actually called Healing Psoriasis: The Natural Alternative.
If you buy it directly from Pagano, you're doing it the expensive way.
Get it through one of the online booksellers at a discount. As Ava
mentioned, you can donate to the NPF at the same time by buying
the book through
- Dave W.
http://members.aol.com/psorsite/
DaveW
>Just wondering why you think Pagano's diet is not valid...
Just to add a bit here, Ava actually said she thought Pagano's diet
*theory* was invalid. There's an important distinction to be made
here. The diet may very well work for the majority of psoriatics (we'll
probably never know because Pagano seems uninterested in doing
any sort of proper testing), but the theory behind the diet can be
completely wrong at the same time. Just because the diet works
doesn't mean the ideas (leaky gut and all that) are correct.
Personally, I don't believe the diet, if tested somehow, would be
found to be as effective as Pagano thinks it is. The vast majority of
diets presented in books (for anything - not just psoriasis) do not
work as advertised. While Pagano may have stumbled across *the*
diet for this disease, the odds seem to be stacked against it.
>I live not to far from his office and recently started his diet..iF I don;t
>improve soon, I may go to see him. I have no reason to believe one
>way or the other if it is any good yet. Still waiting for results...they
>seem to come and go , so far.
Honestly, good luck! Remember that several who've told their own
Pagano success stories around here have claimed that it'll take
many months before you really see good results.
I would also try to avoid the chiropractic adjustments, and the
colonics Pagano suggests for 'stubborn' cases...
babe
>
>Personally, I don't believe the diet, if tested somehow, would be
>found to be as effective as Pagano thinks it is. The vast majority of
>diets presented in books (for anything - not just psoriasis) do not
>work as advertised. While Pagano may have stumbled across *the*
>diet for this disease, the odds seem to be stacked against it.
To add to what Dave has had to say on this.... I actually read the book. He
covers not only Psoriasis, but excema too. However he doesn't make any one
specific recommendation on what to do. Instead there are chapters focusing
on different aspects. If one thing doesn't work another will. He recommends
everything from diet changes, home enemas, chiropratic adjustments to
saunas(and various other things). He is even gracious enough to list causes
for psoriasis, this one I found humorous as hereditary reasons were at the
bottom of his list. Of course he tells you that if you see him, then you get
a specially tailored treatment. He does seem to maintain diet is the key,
but who knows.
Jena
S.A.M.
> I've also wondered if the grapeseed extract might not be suppressing
> yeast, as I seem to recall reading in my winemaking days that grapeseeds
> contain something which does that.
If you want a natural yeast killer, eat gobs of honey. Years ago I had one of
those cheap yogurt makers, and tried making yogurt with honey in it. the honey
killed off the yogurt culture completely and the end result was warm milk. I
understand that you can't use honey as a sugar substitute in bread recipes either
for the same reason.
Unfortunately, since honey is nature's perfect "anti-bacterial" food, it would
also kill off the helpful bacteria in your digestive system.
Scott
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Eliz
Eliz
hinder your Psoriasis?
Eliz
chance?
moneyf...@my-deja.com
I appreciate your honesty..I 've read a few of your posts and they are always
informative and uplifting...I tend to agree with you on your views of the
immune system...Just wish someone would find the magic gene! I also believe
what you said about "triggers"..However, I would rather not do the
prescpritions and the shots if I don't have to.. I do think the body can heal
itself, given the correct attitude and proper foods. So, I'll keep trying my
experiments on myself....Thanks for your support and good luck to you also.
Debbie
ps...Is your condition under control? How do you feel?
Avagard
>
Define "control"! I have no idea how bad off I would be if I didn't take all
my medicines, so its hard to complain about what is going on now.
My skin was pretty bad through December when the weather was really dry, but
since Southern California has decided to just jump right into June this year,
the moisture has made the cracking and bleeding better.
My major health problem is the arthritis. I'm in pain 24/7 and it does wear on
me sometimes, especially during busy times like the Christmas holidays when I
keep pretending I am twenty and physically fit.
I've been doing alot of writing ( as opposed to walking, shopping, decorating,
entertaining, carrying packages, etc.) since New Year's so the pain is better
and I sleep some nights all the way through to my 5:30 a.m. alarm. That's new,
and welcome!
Thanks for asking. I most certainly will post any amazing remissions if they
occur.
Let us know how you do on the diet!
Ava
Richard Savage
<3886FF63...@allways.net>...
> Fenris wrote:
>
> > I've also wondered if the grapeseed extract might not be suppressing
> > yeast, as I seem to recall reading in my winemaking days that
grapeseeds
> > contain something which does that.
>
> If you want a natural yeast killer, eat gobs of honey. Years ago I had
one of
> those cheap yogurt makers, and tried making yogurt with honey in it. the
honey
> killed off the yogurt culture completely and the end result was warm
milk. I
> understand that you can't use honey as a sugar substitute in bread
recipes either
> for the same reason.
> Unfortunately, since honey is nature's perfect "anti-bacterial" food, it
would
There are plenty of products out there to replace the friendly bacteriea
that we all need.
Richard.
--
It works better if you plug it in.
Gil Teva
might be the "bad" 50 percent...
DaveW
>If you want a natural yeast killer, eat gobs of honey. Years ago I had
>one of those cheap yogurt makers, and tried making yogurt with honey
>in it. the honey killed off the yogurt culture completely and the end
>result was warm milk. I understand that you can't use honey as a
>sugar substitute in bread recipes either for the same reason.
>Unfortunately, since honey is nature's perfect "anti-bacterial" food, it
>would also kill off the helpful bacteria in your digestive system.
Honey is an antibiotic (not sure if I would say 'perfect', as some nasty
stuff grows in honey) because of its hydrogen peroxide content, mostly.
kpol...@my-deja.com
sdjj...@allways.net wrote:
> Fenris wrote:
>
> > I've also wondered if the grapeseed extract might not be suppressing
> > yeast, as I seem to recall reading in my winemaking days that
grapeseeds
> > contain something which does that.
>
had one of
> those cheap yogurt makers, and tried making yogurt with honey in it.
the honey
> killed off the yogurt culture completely and the end result was warm
milk. I
> understand that you can't use honey as a sugar substitute in bread
recipes either
> for the same reason.
> Unfortunately, since honey is nature's perfect "anti-bacterial" food,
it would
FAR too vauge, and as such utterly wrong. 'Yeast' is a broad term.
I make home made wine and mead and honey certainly does not kill the
wine/beer and yes, even bread yeast that are used. In fact the
fermentation goes crazy, probably due to the extra nutrients in honey
over sugar.
Sorry to be so emphatic, but it's true!
KP
eve...@rocketmail.com
kpol...@my-deja.com wrote:
> I make home made wine and mead and honey certainly does not kill the
> wine/beer and yes, even bread yeast that are used. In fact the
> fermentation goes crazy, probably due to the extra nutrients in honey
> over sugar.
Honey does kill certain yeasts/fungi and bacteria(or at least this
distillate can), but it also can harbour yeats/fungi and bacteria.
J Pharm Pharmacol 1984 Apr;36(4):283-4
In-vitro evaluation of the anticandidiasis activity of honey distillate
(HY-1) compared
with that of some antimycotic agents.
Obaseiki-Ebor EE, Afonya TC
The susceptibility of 72 isolates of Candida albicans to the
antimicrobial honey distillate fraction (HY-1) and several antimycotic
agents is presented. All the isolates were sensitive to HY-1, H-115 and
Jadit, while about 10% of the isolates were variably resistant
to nystatin, miconazole nitrate and clotrimazole. The nystatin,
miconazole nitrate and clotrimazole resistant isolates were inhibited by
HY-1.
Microorganisms in honey.
Snowdon JA, Cliver DO
National Honey Board, Longmont, CO 80501, USA.
Knowledge of the moisture and temperature conditions influencing growth
of microorganisms in honey has long been used to
control the spoilage of honey. However, the need for additional
microbiological data on honey will increase as new technologies for,
and uses of honey develop. Microorganisms in honey may influence quality
or safety. Due to the natural properties of honey and
control measures in the honey industry, honey is a product with minimal
types and levels of microbes. Microbes of concern in
post-harvest handling are those that are commonly found in honey (i.e.,
yeasts and spore-forming bacteria), those that indicate the
sanitary or commercial quality of honey (i.e., coliforms and yeasts),
and those that under certain conditions could cause human
illness. Primary sources of microbial contamination are likely to
include pollen, the digestive tracts of honey bees, dust, air, earth and
nectar, sources which are very difficult to control. The same secondary
(after-harvest) sources that influence any food product are
also sources of contamination for honey. These include air, food
handlers, cross-contamination, equipment and buildings.
Secondary sources of contamination are controlled by good manufacturing
practices. The microbes of concern in honey are
primarily yeasts and spore-forming bacteria. Total plate counts from
honey samples can vary from zero to tens of thousands per
gram for no apparent reason. Most samples of honey contain detectable
levels of yeasts. Although yeast counts in many honey
samples are below 100 colony forming units per gram (cfu/g), yeasts can
grow in honey to very high numbers. Standard industry
practices control yeast growth. Bacterial spores, particularly those in
the Bacillus genus, are regularly found in honey. The spores of
C. botulinum are found in a fraction of the honey samples
tested-normally at low levels. No vegetative forms of disease-causing
bacterial species have been found in honey. Bacteria do not replicate in
honey and as such high numbers of vegetative bacteria
could indicate recent contamination from a secondary source. Certain
vegetative microbes can survive in honey, at cool
temperatures, for several years. However, honey has anti-microbial
properties that discourage the growth or persistence of many
microorganisms. Typically, honey can be expected to contain low numbers
and a limited variety of microbes. A routine
microbiological examination of honey might include several different
assays. A standard plate count provides general information.
Specialized tests, such as a count of yeasts and an assay for bacterial
spore-formers, may also be useful. An indicator of sanitary
quality as provided by coliform counts might be included. Additional
tests, to explain unusually high counts or address a certain
problem, may be needed. The use of honey in products that receive no or
limited heat treatment may require additional tests. More
information on the source and control of microbes in honey is needed to
answer the concerns currently facing the industry.
Fenris
> > > Terry wrote :
> > > Dr. Andrew Weil advises also
> > > avoiding pro-inflammatory oils (all polyunsaturated vegetable oils,
> > > margarines, and partially hydrogenated oils). Fats seem to show up
> > > particularly as psoriasis on my scalp. (Test it yourself with
> > > frenchfries and donuts!) I aim for low fat consumption,
>
> I am not knocking your choice for a low fat consumption, that is your
> choice, but it does not follow that if certain fats are
> pro-inflammatory then you should cut out all fats.
Of course not. I didn't say that, and I don't. I don't worry about canola
or peanut oil. As it happens I am allergic to olives and olive oil. I use
some butter and milk and cheese, and I eat meat, including fish.
Best wishes,
Terry
Fenris
<eflynn27...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:
> Thanks for that...nut I just wondered does the sun help or
> hinder your Psoriasis?
If you were asking me..... Depends, relative to diet. There have been
times when sunning has made it worse. If my diet's under control, a little
sun speeds the clearing. I spent years trying to depend solely on
sunning. Didn't work.
Best wishes,
Terry
nwar...@optonline.net
me.
Katrina Corbett wrote:
> Eliz <eflynn27...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:27702aa4...@usw-ex0110-076.remarq.com...
> > Hello Folks
> >
> > I'm new to this group but have learned loads from what I've
> > read. But can somebody please send me Dr.J. Paganos Diet. I
> > would really like to try it.
> >
> > I have about 50 to 60% coverage at the moment and I really
> > would like to avoid severe medication.
> >
> > If you could let me know where to get this diet I would
> > apprecaite it!
> >
> >
>
> Same here..... I will try anything that isnt in a pill......... Who knows it
> might " HELP "
nwar...@optonline.net
anyone, but almost always, diet is a major factor in the condition.
Avagard wrote:
> >But can somebody please send me Dr.J. Paganos Diet. I
> >would really like to try it.
>
nwar...@optonline.net
benificial to you?
moneyf...@my-deja.com wrote:
> ps...Is your condition under control? How do you feel?
>
nwar...@optonline.net
better. Then tell me there is no connection between what goes in your mouth and
your condition and health.
nwar...@optonline.net
moneyf...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <20000119101646...@ng-cb1.aol.com>,
> ava...@aol.com (Avagard) wrote:
> > >But can somebody please send me Dr.J. Paganos Diet. I
> > >would really like to try it.
> >
> > Go to:
> > http://www.jhj.com/pbooks/
> >
> > While I think Pagano's diet theory is not valid, if you are going to purchase
> > his book, please try this website.
> >
> > It was established by a member of the newsgroup and some of the profit from the
> > purchase of books about psoriasis goes to The National Psoriasis Foundation.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ava
> > Hi Ava
>
> Just wondering why you think Pagano's diet is not valid...I live not to far
> from his office and recently started his diet..iF I don;t improve soon, I may
> go to see him. I have no reason to believe one way or the other if it is any
> good yet. Still waiting for results...they seem to come and go , so far.
> However, I am a strong believer in Edgar Cayce, which is why I am trying
> this.. thanks Debbie
nwar...@optonline.net
DaveW wrote:
> Debbie wrote:
> >Just wondering why you think Pagano's diet is not valid...
>
> Just to add a bit here, Ava actually said she thought Pagano's diet
> *theory* was invalid. There's an important distinction to be made
> here. The diet may very well work for the majority of psoriatics (we'll
> probably never know because Pagano seems uninterested in doing
> any sort of proper testing), but the theory behind the diet can be
> completely wrong at the same time. Just because the diet works
> doesn't mean the ideas (leaky gut and all that) are correct.
>
> Personally, I don't believe the diet, if tested somehow, would be
> found to be as effective as Pagano thinks it is. The vast majority of
> diets presented in books (for anything - not just psoriasis) do not
> work as advertised. While Pagano may have stumbled across *the*
> diet for this disease, the odds seem to be stacked against it.
>
> >I live not to far from his office and recently started his diet..iF I don;t
> >improve soon, I may go to see him. I have no reason to believe one
> >way or the other if it is any good yet. Still waiting for results...they
> >seem to come and go , so far.
>
> Honestly, good luck! Remember that several who've told their own
> Pagano success stories around here have claimed that it'll take
> many months before you really see good results.
>
> I would also try to avoid the chiropractic adjustments, and the
> colonics Pagano suggests for 'stubborn' cases...
>
Avagard
>DRAMATICALLY
These comments were made directly to me so I will address them.
Yes, if dead is better, you would be correct!
Stop....I'm not saying fasts kill. I'm saying one would kill me. I am on a
number of medications that if suddenly withdrawn could cause death. One would
be very foolish indeed to simply ignore all warnings of this type just to play
"I told you so" on whether or not a diet plan would work.
In the beginning of my illness, like many, I chose not to face the reality of
my condition. I tried all the suggestions for diets, fasts, vitamins, etc. They
didn't work for me and more importantly, I now suffer much more joint damage
than I otherwise would have done as a result of my delay in seeking genuine
medical treatment for my condition.
I have said this many times now, but I guess I will say it again.
I do not suggest diets do not help some people with the symptoms of this
illness. I have become convinced that foods are a trigger for the worsening of
symptoms for many people. I whole heartedly agree that if it can be controlled
by diet, it should be.
However, not all of us are fortunate enough to be able to get symptoms under
control with dietary measures. Is that so hard to accept? I have a severe case.
I've had if for thirteen years or more, it isn't new to me. I also have very
painful and debilitating psoriatic arthritis, osteoarthritis and fibromyaglia.
Using dietary measures for me is like fighting a forest fire with a squirt gun!
I only ask that those who use alternative medicines, treatments, diets, do so
under the care of a medical professional. Not to do so can be very dangerous.
You made reference to my "religious beliefs" in an earlier post. I have no
religious beliefs, but I assume you are responding to my comments about being a
skeptic in all areas of my life and I did say I was an Atheist. I should not
have posted that since it is my business and nobody elses, but since I posted
it, it is fine for you to have commented. I will just say that it has nothing
to do with how I view diet and psoriasis control.
Thank you for your suggestions and I do hope diet works for you!
Take care,
Ava
DaveW
>Dave [Pagano] does work for many.
But that's my point. Define 'many'. As far as I know, Pagano doesn't
report a single failure in his book, yet we know they exist. So even if
the diet works for 'many', we have no idea for how many it will fail.
>Why are you resisitant to connection to diet and P?
I'm not. I'm resistant to the idea that Pagano's diet will work. We've
seen too many people here with too many different kinds of diet
triggers and/or successes to say "diet doesn't do anything." As I said
in the post you're responding to:
"The vast majority of diets presented in books (for anything - not
just psoriasis) do not work as advertised."
The diet portion of Pagano's book is, as far as I know, a one-size-fits-
all diet like so many others out there on the market. Eliminate this,
eliminate that, eat more of this and that. Since dietary effects in
psoriatics seem to be so vastly different between any two people, I
cannot believe a one-size-fits-all diet will work for the majority of the
people who try it.
And Pagano has not shown this to be the case, either.
DaveW
>I know his theory has validity because I healed through it.
That only means the diet might work. It doesn't say anything about the
theory behind the diet.
We know gravity accelerates things at a certain rate near the surface
of the Earth. Whether you think the theory is as Einstein states it, or
because fairies push things around, or simply because the Earth sucks,
it doesn't matter. The equations will still work when you need to figure
out how far you'll go when shot out of a cannon.
And so, Pagano's diet might work because it heals LGS (as he states),
or because it's the diet most pleasing to the Gods, or because the diet
attracts more Martian Healing Rays to your body. Doesn't matter. If it
works for you, fine, but that fact doesn't validate the theory *behind* the
diet at all.
nwar...@optonline.net
it is a starting point. And the point is to start somewhere and start
figuring out what the underlying causes of the condition are and improve diet
accordingly. If one does, it should get better almost every time.
DaveW wrote:
nwar...@optonline.net
I also did not say the diet would work for all, but it is great for most, and with
tinkering, could work for more. Point is to seek the underlying cause. Genetics are
only one factor. This condition can almost always be at least improved.