Everybody's mom
Betty
Steve wrote in message <38FFA5...@armory.com>...
>Lynn Sylvan wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone else have the duel job of looking after children and
>> looking after an older parent? I'm going a little nuts. How do you cope?
>>
>> Lynn
>-----------------
>Did you vote socialist?
>If not why ask us?
>Steve
Steve, don't you have anything better to do than to dole your crap out on
people.
Who the h*ll cares how she votes. Even is she didn't vote socialist (which
I'm assuming has a elder care platform) her concerns are still the same.
Her problem is something that faces many people in our age group.
Many people have the duel responsibility of child and elder care and it can
be both emotionally and financially taxing.
Instead of dumping on her, why not offer her some suggestions if you have
any.
I'm sure you must have a "masters degree" in elder care along with all your
other accomplishments.
Betty
KidDoc
I myself am not in your situation, but I do know that it is one of the
most stressful situations one can experience. It is imperative that you
receive some support yourself, since you are giving care to so many
people. Your local hospital should have some resources for you. Many
national associations (such as the Alzheimer's Association) have
excellent suggestions for people who are providing care for an older
adult (and your parent doesn't have to have been diagnosed with
Alzheimer's in order for you to use the service). Local support groups
may be "on-topic" for you. Probably of more use - unless you live in a
very rural area, you should have access to county- or city-funded
"respite care," which can offer you a needed break. You may also
qualify for an in-home aide (e.g. just like respite care, but the Aide
comes directly to your home). Finally, unless your parent is
bed-ridden, you might want to investigate local "senior wellness
centers." They typically have day-long programs of socializing,
activities, exercise, and so on. Some people call them "elder day
care," but they're much nicer than that name would suggest. I bet if
your parent could use a center one or two days a week, it would be a
relief to you.
I think it's wonderful - if exhausting and depleting and frustrating -
that you are doing so much. G-d bless you for the care you give to
others.
KidDoc
Sarah
Betty <bet...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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> >>
> >> Does anyone else have the duel job of looking after children and
> >> looking after an older parent? I'm going a little nuts. How do you
cope?
> >>
> >> Lynn
> >Did you vote socialist?
> >If not why ask us?
> >Steve
>
After living in a socialist country for a while (Norway), I can tell you
that their elder care system is in just as much need of an overhaul as our
Medicare system.
Why don't you go and live in a Socialist country for a while, I am sure they
would be happy to have you. Then maybe you could LIVE IT rather than
FANTASIZE about it.
Geez.
Sarah
Didi
> Does anyone else have the duel job of looking after children and looking
after an older parent? I'm going a little nuts. How do you cope?
>
>Lynn
Actually, Lynn, I cared for my grandmother for 5 years while she died of
various ailments, culminating with lung cancer. I had my first 2 children
during that time period, so I had a 3 1/2 and a 1 1/2 yr. old when she passed
away. It was VERY difficult, and I am sure that it did not help my failing
marriage as we all lived together, but I wouldn't do it any differently. My
oldest *still* remembers aspects of her great-grandmother, and I got to keep my
promise to my GM that she would never be in a Nursing home and that she could
die at home.
Towards the end (last 6 months), I was able to enlist the help of the local
hospice service. Even though I am an R.N., they provided a home health nurse
to make weekly visits, they provided a sitter once a week to allow me an
opportunity to leave the home, and they took over filling her prescriptions
regularly while I still administered her meds. It was very helpful and
supportive, and even after her death, the staff were there to help me with the
arrangements and provide grief counseling for me and for my oldest daughter
(play therapy).
Good luck -- I *know* that it's hard!
Didi
"A dead thing can go with a stream, only a living thing can go against it."
G.K. Chesterton
Annemarie
"Betty" <bet...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:RwOL4.1501$9B.1...@news.bc.tac.net...
>
> Steve wrote in message <38FFA5...@armory.com>...
> >Lynn Sylvan wrote:
> >>
> >> looking after an older parent? I'm going a little nuts. How do you
cope?
> >>
> >> Lynn
> >Did you vote socialist?
> >If not why ask us?
> >Steve
>
> people.
>
> Who the h*ll cares how she votes. Even is she didn't vote socialist (which
> I'm assuming has a elder care platform) her concerns are still the same.
>
> Her problem is something that faces many people in our age group.
> Many people have the duel responsibility of child and elder care and it
can
> be both emotionally and financially taxing.
>
> Instead of dumping on her, why not offer her some suggestions if you have
> any.
> I'm sure you must have a "masters degree" in elder care along with all
your
> other accomplishments.
>
> Betty
>
Quantum Mechanics. Zero.
Annemarie
deborah's mom
> Does anyone else have the duel job of looking after children and
>looking after an older parent? I'm going a little nuts. How do you cope?
>
>Lynn
I am not in this position, but growing up, my mom was. Her grandfather (my
great g-father) lived with us for many years. When we were younger, it was
nice because he could watch us when my parents went out. Then as he got
older, so did we and when he was in a wheelchair, we watche him after school.
We had a fer hairy incidents - like when he through a lit match into a plastic
wastepaper basket (he smoked a pipe, and didn't quite shake the match out). I
called the fire department, called my dad at work, and got everone out of the
house. The woman fromsocial services got a little nosy - 3 kids and the
grandfather home alone after school (we were 12, 10, 9, & 85 y.o) but we
finally convinced her we were all capable and not being abused.
As he got older, he had adult day care. That was very helpful for my parents.
The center picked him up 3 days a week.
I don't really have any tips, but maybe knowing that I have such good memories
of living with him (he knitted mittens for us and bought us doughnuts and
shared his Christmas candies) will help you through the tougher times.
Jess
"Adorable children are considered to be the general property
of the human race. Rude children belong strictly to their
mothers." - Judith Martin, aka Miss Manners
Steve
>
> Betty <bet...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> news:RwOL4.1501$9B.1...@news.bc.tac.net...
> >
> > Steve wrote in message <38FFA5...@armory.com>...
> > >>
> > >> Does anyone else have the duel job of looking after children and
> > >> looking after an older parent? I'm going a little nuts. How do you
> cope?
> > >>
> > >> Lynn
> > >Did you vote socialist?
> > >If not why ask us?
> > >Steve
> >
>
> After living in a socialist country for a while (Norway), I can tell you
> that their elder care system is in just as much need of an overhaul as our
> Medicare system.
>
> Why don't you go and live in a Socialist country for a while, I am sure they
> would be happy to have you. Then maybe you could LIVE IT rather than
> FANTASIZE about it.
>
> Geez.
>
> Sarah
Norway has gone through a period of political malaise, wherein their
people lost their will to rule and they panicked and turned over their
budding socialism to the industrialists who have now nearly gutted it
with glee. They are the very LAST place in Europe you should look for a
decent social-medical system. Try Sweden or France. You've got NO
fucking idea what you're talking about.
Steve
Steve
>
> "Betty" <bet...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> news:RwOL4.1501$9B.1...@news.bc.tac.net...
> >
> > Steve wrote in message <38FFA5...@armory.com>...
> > >Lynn Sylvan wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Does anyone else have the duel job of looking after children and
> > >> looking after an older parent? I'm going a little nuts. How do you
> cope?
> > >>
> > >> Lynn
> > >-----------------
> > >Did you vote socialist?
> > >If not why ask us?
> > >Steve
> >
> > people.
> >
> > Who the h*ll cares how she votes. Even is she didn't vote socialist (which
> > I'm assuming has a elder care platform) her concerns are still the same.
> >
> > Her problem is something that faces many people in our age group.
> > Many people have the duel responsibility of child and elder care and it
> can
> > be both emotionally and financially taxing.
> >
> > Instead of dumping on her, why not offer her some suggestions if you have
> > any.
> > I'm sure you must have a "masters degree" in elder care along with all
> your
> > other accomplishments.
> >
> > Betty
>
> Steve probably has as much knowledge about politics as he does about
> Quantum Mechanics. Zero.
> Annemarie
So you with a GED or something have no idea what a BA in physics is
about, eh? Typical.
Steve
Steve
>
> Steve wrote in message <38FFA5...@armory.com>...
> >Lynn Sylvan wrote:
> >>
> >> Does anyone else have the duel job of looking after children and
> >> looking after an older parent? I'm going a little nuts. How do you cope?
> >>
> >> Lynn
> >-----------------
> >Did you vote socialist?
> >If not why ask us?
> >Steve
>
> Steve, don't you have anything better to do than to dole your crap out on
> people.
I enjoy it.
> Who the h*ll cares how she votes. Even is she didn't vote socialist (which
> I'm assuming has a elder care platform) her concerns are still the same.
---------------
Like I said, shit in your path flies upon return. Why does she think her
situation is unusual, and why can't she demand help from relatives? If
she cannot, then why not try social services, and if she will not, then
why not?
> Her problem is something that faces many people in our age group.
> Many people have the duel responsibility of child and elder care and it can
> be both emotionally and financially taxing.
---------------------
It also comes from having kids waaaaaaaay too fucking late in life.
> Instead of dumping on her, why not offer her some suggestions if you have
> any.
> I'm sure you must have a "masters degree" in elder care along with all your
> other accomplishments.
>
> Betty
--------------
Nope, don't know of one. I don't need one. She reminds me of idiot kids
who burst onto the electronics group demanding a schematic or kit to
build a guitar amp just because they can't afford one. They haven't done
anything for it themselves, they expect others to do it for them, and
they can't seem to tell anybody the specs that they want because they
don't know boo about it. In short they haven't really defined the
problem. Since she deigned NOT to explain herself, I decided to take
potshots, it's a Usenet tradition.
Steve
K. Workman
Steve wrote:
> So you with a GED or something have no idea what a BA in physics is
> about, eh? Typical.
> Steve
I have a question for you Steve... why did you get a BA in physics, when clearly
if you were studying Physics, you would have done the math required for a BS. I
don't know any physics students here that would opt for a Bachelor of Arts with a
foreign language requirement over the Bachelor of Science degree that naturally
goes along with physics.
Kathleen
dolores
Steve wrote in message <390016...@armory.com>...
>Annemarie wrote:
>>
>> "Betty" <bet...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
>> news:RwOL4.1501$9B.1...@news.bc.tac.net...
>> >
>> > >>
>> > >> Lynn
>> > >-----------------
>> > >Did you vote socialist?
>> > >If not why ask us?
>> > >Steve
>> >
>> > Steve, don't you have anything better to do than to dole your crap out
on
>> > people.
>>
>> > Betty
>>
>> Steve probably has as much knowledge about politics as he does about
>> Quantum Mechanics. Zero.
>> Annemarie
>--------------------
>So you with a GED or something have no idea what a BA in physics is
>about, eh? Typical.
>Steve
A *BA* in physics....??????????
Dolores
Steve
>
> Steve wrote:
>
> > So you with a GED or something have no idea what a BA in physics is
> > about, eh? Typical.
> > Steve
>
> if you were studying Physics, you would have done the math required for a BS.
I have been told there is no different requirement for math, and
I can't find any more to take for a BS at several other schools.
I would not even know what other math I COULD take, since all that
is left is math major courses in the upper division, discrete math and
such.
>I
> don't know any physics students here that would opt for a Bachelor of Arts with a
> foreign language requirement over the Bachelor of Science degree that naturally
> goes along with physics.
>
> Kathleen
--------------------
I have all the math, but our U only offered the BA. Go figure.
These requirements differ a LOT, from what I was told.
BS v BA is not as clear school to school as it is inside some schools.
I had a lot of extra credits not needed for it too.
And a couple grad courses. Messy transcript.
Steve
Pat Strong
> Annemarie wrote:
> >
> > "Betty" <bet...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> > news:RwOL4.1501$9B.1...@news.bc.tac.net...
> > >
> > > Steve wrote in message <38FFA5...@armory.com>...
> > > >Lynn Sylvan wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Does anyone else have the duel job of looking after children and
> > > >> looking after an older parent? I'm going a little nuts. How do you
> > cope?
> > > >>
> > > >> Lynn
> > > >-----------------
> > > >Did you vote socialist?
> > > >If not why ask us?
> > > >Steve
> > >
> > > Steve, don't you have anything better to do than to dole your crap out on
> > > people.
> > >
> > > Who the h*ll cares how she votes. Even is she didn't vote socialist (which
> > > I'm assuming has a elder care platform) her concerns are still the same.
> > >
> > > Her problem is something that faces many people in our age group.
> > > Many people have the duel responsibility of child and elder care and it
> > can
> > > be both emotionally and financially taxing.
> > >
> > > Instead of dumping on her, why not offer her some suggestions if you have
> > > any.
> > > I'm sure you must have a "masters degree" in elder care along with all
> > your
> > > other accomplishments.
> > >
> > > Betty
> >
> > Steve probably has as much knowledge about politics as he does about
> > Quantum Mechanics. Zero.
> > Annemarie
> --------------------
> So you with a GED or something have no idea what a BA in physics is
> about, eh? Typical.
> Steve
Why didn't you answer the question, Steve? Or are you just into baiting and don't
actually HAVE and ideas?
Pat
Cici in Texas
>So you with a GED or something have no idea what a BA in physics is
>about, eh? Typical.
>Steve
Wouldn't a bachelor's degree in physics be a Bachelor of *Science*,
not a Bachelor of Arts?
Cici in Texas
dolores
Steve wrote in message <390055...@armory.com>...
>K. Workman wrote:
>>
>> Steve wrote:
>>
>> > So you with a GED or something have no idea what a BA in physics is
>> > about, eh? Typical.
>> > Steve
>>
clearly
>> if you were studying Physics, you would have done the math required for a
BS.
>---------------
>I have been told there is no different requirement for math, and
>I can't find any more to take for a BS at several other schools.
>I would not even know what other math I COULD take, since all that
>is left is math major courses in the upper division, discrete math and
>such.I
>> don't know any physics students here that would opt for a Bachelor of
Arts with a
>> foreign language requirement over the Bachelor of Science degree that
naturally
>> goes along with physics.
>>
>> Kathleen
>--------------------
>I have all the math, but our U only offered the BA. Go figure.
>These requirements differ a LOT, from what I was told.
>BS v BA is not as clear school to school as it is inside some schools.
>I had a lot of extra credits not needed for it too.
>And a couple grad courses. Messy transcript.
>Steve
This Steve should go back to primary school. Learn how to string a
sentence together properly. The paragraphs penned above are very poor to
say the least......never mind anything else!!
I'm sure the UK isn't that much different to the USA at this level. Sounds
to me like he hasn't got a clue....and is trying to BS everyone. There is
no such thing as a BA in physics....idiot!!
Dolores
Karen Anderson O'Mara
> Does anyone else have the duel job of looking after children and
> looking after an older parent? I'm going a little nuts. How do you cope?
You're earning your stars in heaven. Hang in there. Be sure to reserve some
time for yourself.
Karen
louisa
ka...@randomgraphics.com wrote:
people have been doing this since the dawn of time -- most of our
grandparents cared for their own parents in their homes in their declining
years -- it is only the whiney me generation who thinks that it is some
modern assault to be responsible for one's family [and yes, I am in the
sandwich too and have assisted my Mom through my Father's decline and
death and will be there for her too]
Marlene Bosch
These are great suggestions.
Lynn, I am in a similar situation, and there are places on the web
where caregivers discuss coping ideas. Even if you do have assistance,
familial or professional, it can be difficult to juggle responsibilities,
schedules, your own emotions. If you just want some compassionate
conversation and a place to vent, there are a number of newsgroups to
look at. If your parent has alzheimers, there's alt.support.alzheimers.
I think there are others for most known conditions. In web sites,
I think caregiverzone.com is a good one for general information, and the
community forums attract professional and non-professional caregivers.
In my case, watching someone I love change on a daily basis was much
harder than actually juggling tasks, but it's all easier to deal with
when talking with others.
Good luck to you.
If you have specific
questions, I think you
can get some good
parenting advice here.
I have, just by
lurking - Marlene
Joelle
>modern assault to be responsible for one's family
Oh I think that is a bit harsh. In years past there were more family support
so that it wasn't one person taking care of parents. And I didn't hear the
original person whining or complaining that about asault--just asking for input
from others.
Frankly your angry response tells me that maybe you are feeling a little more
stressed out than you admit.
I don't think there's anything wrong with whining once in awhile, as long as
you don't stay there. And it's a lot healthier to just admit you are feeling
whiney about the stuff life throws at you then take it out on others.
Joelle
"This is not the life I planned for myself but it is the one I am
stuck with so I might as well make the best of it"
Me
Karen Anderson O'Mara
> people have been doing this since the dawn of time -- most of our
> grandparents cared for their own parents in their homes in their declining
> years -- it is only the whiney me generation who thinks that it is some
> modern assault to be responsible for one's family [and yes, I am in the
> sandwich too and have assisted my Mom through my Father's decline and
> death and will be there for her too]
Well, it sounds like you're a happy person, so more power to ya'!
Karen
Karen Anderson O'Mara
> Oh I think that is a bit harsh. In years past there were more family support
> so that it wasn't one person taking care of parents. And I didn't hear the
> original person whining or complaining that about asault--just asking for input
> from others.
>
> Frankly your angry response tells me that maybe you are feeling a little more
> stressed out than you admit.
>
> I don't think there's anything wrong with whining once in awhile, as long as
> you don't stay there. And it's a lot healthier to just admit you are feeling
> whiney about the stuff life throws at you then take it out on others.
Drive-by insults are better than drive-by shootings, that's what I always say.
Karen
Sarah
> -----------------------
> Norway has gone through a period of political malaise, wherein their
> people lost their will to rule and they panicked and turned over their
> budding socialism to the industrialists who have now nearly gutted it
> with glee.
Budding Socialism? They have been Socialist since WW2.
When? The Labor Party has been in ruling in Norway for 40 out of 55 years.
The Labor party also has majority vote as the largest political group in
Norway. Norway has had the most stable economy and stabilized growth in
all of Scandinavia. Political Malaise? They go toe-to-toe with OPEC
everyday and they flat out refuse to participate in the EU....how do you
equate that with malaise?
They are the very LAST place in Europe you should look for a
> decent social-medical system. Try Sweden or France.
Sweden, oh there is a great example. LMAO. They have been BROKE for the
last fifteen years. Look it up. Next your going to tell me that they were
neutral in the last world war. Some other uneducated nimrods might be
impressed with your 'knowledge', it just makes me laugh.
France has longer surgery waiting lists than England. Look it up. France
is dealing with the worst immigration and naturalization crisis in their
history bearing a direct effect on the overburdening of their medical
system.
You've got NO
> fucking idea what you're talking about.
Oh, I think I do.
Anger Management, Steve. Its help many others with your affliction.
Sarah
Sarah
more than three generations to be living under the same roof. This poor
woman is simply asking for some advice on how to cope.
How do you know her parents didn't have her late in life? I'm not even 30
yet and both my parents are elderly.
With all your high and mighty talk, that little degree you received sure
didn't teach you any damn common sense or logical thought processes, did
it?
Sarah
btw, a GED is no indication of the status of ones education. I have a GED
and a BS degree....go figure.
Steve <rst...@armory.com> wrote in message news:390018...@armory.com...
> Betty wrote:
> >
> > Steve wrote in message <38FFA5...@armory.com>...
> > >Lynn Sylvan wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Does anyone else have the duel job of looking after children
and
> > >> looking after an older parent? I'm going a little nuts. How do you
cope?
> > >>
> > >> Lynn
> > >-----------------
> > >Did you vote socialist?
> > >If not why ask us?
> > >Steve
> >
> > Steve, don't you have anything better to do than to dole your crap out
on
> > people.
> -------------------
> I enjoy it.
>
>
> > Who the h*ll cares how she votes. Even is she didn't vote socialist
(which
> > I'm assuming has a elder care platform) her concerns are still the same.
> ---------------
> Like I said, shit in your path flies upon return. Why does she think her
> situation is unusual, and why can't she demand help from relatives? If
> she cannot, then why not try social services, and if she will not, then
> why not?
>
>
>
> > Her problem is something that faces many people in our age group.
> > Many people have the duel responsibility of child and elder care and it
can
> > be both emotionally and financially taxing.
> ---------------------
> It also comes from having kids waaaaaaaay too fucking late in life.
>
>
> > Instead of dumping on her, why not offer her some suggestions if you
have
> > any.
> > I'm sure you must have a "masters degree" in elder care along with all
your
> > other accomplishments.
> >
> > Betty
Karen Anderson O'Mara
> Maybe you should go back a few decades and remember when it was typical for
> more than three generations to be living under the same roof. This poor
> woman is simply asking for some advice on how to cope.
>
> How do you know her parents didn't have her late in life? I'm not even 30
> yet and both my parents are elderly.
>
> With all your high and mighty talk, that little degree you received sure
> didn't teach you any damn common sense or logical thought processes, did
> it?
I think she's having a hard time, too.
Karen
Steve
Nothing you have said is accurate, and people looking to you for
accuracy should forget that right now. You really don't care what you
have to claim or pretend to know to badmouth socialism, so you are
entirely discredited.
If Sweden is "broke" then it would be news to the Germans who have MAJOR
contracts with them. If Norway is not backsliding in its socialism then
all the European articles about that of the last 25 years must be wrong,
and it would be far likelier that you're the liar here. Give it up.
Steve
Vickydale
<g>
The quanative analysis of a defined equator of ya bla bla...
I hated math. Hated it. Do you hear me?
I wished I would have payed more attention in my Algebra class.
<sigh> But my teacher was old and boring.
Now, if my teacher would have been Harrison Ford...well...
then I would or could have a Bullshit in Physics too! Oops. I meant BS.
Oh, no. It is BA isn't it? How soon I forget. Mentioned Harrision Ford
and there I go..rambling.
Hey...Dolores..do they dig him over there? In Canada (Karen?)
I just watched his movie, as you can tell.
In article <8dpv2d$een$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>,
--
"America will never be invaded: our delinquents are too well armed."
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Sarah
Not one single word it typed here has stated my stance on Socialism. Find
it...find my words and quote me...I dare you. Assumptions are dangerous,
Steve. For all you know I am a communist. I have NOT said one word either
way.
I've also lived it....read the Norwegian papers, Swedish papers, German
papers and French papers (oh yeah, one must be multi-lingual for that, huh
and you have already told us in gory detail
the limited capacity of your tongue) Unless you are getting all your so
called 'facts' from CNN. LMFAO.
Are you saying that Norway hasn't been socialist since ww2?
Are you saying the Labor Party hasn't been the active majority in their
parliment for the last 55 years?
Are you saying that Norway IS a member of OPEC or the EU?
Are you saying that Sweden is NOT in financial trouble and thousands of
people are not going to other countries to find better paying work?
btw...Zambia has contracts with Germany and they are not exactly cash
rich.....so where is your big point?
I don't expect anyone to believe me or not believe me, I expect them to
educate themselves about the state of the world, just like I have.
And you pissed my husband off.....poor you. I have had the ultimate
privilege of being intellectually bested by both men I have been married to.
They have (had) more intellect and more knowledge about the world in their
little fingers than you do in your whole body.
Shoo little fly, you can't even offer a good intelligent challenge.
Sarah
Steve <rst...@armory.com> wrote in message news:390102...@armory.com...
0001 @my-deja.com Erik
What in the holy hickory are you talking about?
After being born in Norway, serving a period in the Norwegian equivalent of
State Senate and being generally politically active all my life, I have one
thing to say to you up front.
You are full of dodo!
There is NOTHING in your posts sofar that has at all given me the impression
that you ANY knowledge to back your rantings with.
You state that Norway is getting less socialist. My question to you then is
when? Where?
I saw nothing of the kind when I was home 2 months ago. If there was I might
be thinking of moving home.
Actually Norway just changed from a Christian coalition government to a
Labour government less than 2 months ago. A coalition government that lasted
only two and a half year until the Labour party had had enough of them and
booted them out.
Of the last 50 years The Norwegian Labour Party has had more than 30% of the
votes in _every single_ election. And with 7-10 parties even you should
realize that that makes a majority. Please look these facts up. You might
learn something.
Here is a link from the Norwegian Gov't for you. It is in English too.
http://odin.dep.no/smk/eng/govnorw.html
Norway is NOT a member of the European Union (an entity that is created
solely to enhance the capitalist value and power of it's member states),
while Sweden and France however is.
Norway of today has a problem with Swedes immigrating to Norway to benefit
from a more stable economical and political system as well as better
salaries, lower unemployment, less waiting on medical help, better vacation
system, more even salaries etc.
You are _the_ posterchild of why communism failed; A total lack of reality
concept, and a complete unwillingness to expand your own knowledge and
brain.
Erik
P.S. Take it from me. The grass always seems greener on the other side of
the fence. The reality of it is however, that no matter where you go there
is other places that has a better form of this or that, while where you are
has better this. The perfect form of government _does not_ exist.
Steve
>
> On Fri, 21 Apr 2000 01:49:39 -0700, Steve <rst...@armory.com> wrote:
>
> >So you with a GED or something have no idea what a BA in physics is
> >about, eh? Typical.
> >Steve
>
> not a Bachelor of Arts?
>
> Cici in Texas
No, the difference as it is explained to me, is whether or not you
graduate from an engineering school or a non-engineering university.
There's no big curricular difference.
Steve
Steve
>
> Listen you idiot....
------------------
That will get you nowhere, liar.
> Not one single word it typed here has stated my stance on Socialism. Find
> it...find my words and quote me...I dare you. Assumptions are dangerous,
> Steve. For all you know I am a communist. I have NOT said one word either
> way.
------------------
Bullshit, and double-bullshit.
> I've also lived it....read the Norwegian papers, Swedish papers, German
> papers and French papers (oh yeah, one must be multi-lingual for that, huh
> and you have already told us in gory detail
> the limited capacity of your tongue) Unless you are getting all your so
> called 'facts' from CNN. LMFAO.
---------------
I read Deutsch somewhat, but I admit I get my knowledge from the several
very good english translations of the European press, especially the
French and German presses.
> Are you saying that Norway hasn't been socialist since ww2?
--------------
In name.
> Are you saying the Labor Party hasn't been the active majority in their
> parliment for the last 55 years?
---------------
For whatever good it has done.
> Are you saying that Norway IS a member of OPEC or the EU?
-------------
Don't be cheeky.
> Are you saying that Sweden is NOT in financial trouble and thousands of
> people are not going to other countries to find better paying work?
-----------------
It has always been so, that's the way they choose for it to be!
It's too small to be independent. Much of Europe is that way!
> btw...Zambia has contracts with Germany and they are not exactly cash
> rich.....so where is your big point?
------------------
Military contracts.
> I don't expect anyone to believe me or not believe me, I expect them to
> educate themselves about the state of the world, just like I have.
>
> And you pissed my husband off.....poor you.
-------------
Poor baby...
> I have had the ultimate
> privilege of being intellectually bested by both men I have been married to.
> They have (had) more intellect and more knowledge about the world in their
> little fingers than you do in your whole body.
>
> Shoo little fly, you can't even offer a good intelligent challenge.
>
> Sarah
-----------------
Meaningless. Your view is skewed intentionally, and you don't like
people knowing that you're lying to them about Euro-socialism like you
do. So tough shit.
Steve
shmily
ignoramus of Usenet.
Norma
--
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Vocatus atque non vocatus
Deus aderit
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Erik <Scandia 0001 @ my - deja . com> wrote in message
news:qu8M4.65701$U4.4...@news1.rdc1.az.home.com...
Steve
>
> Excuse me Sir.
>
> What in the holy hickory are you talking about?
Do you even know what hickory is??
> After being born in Norway, serving a period in the Norwegian equivalent of
> State Senate and being generally politically active all my life, I have one
> thing to say to you up front.
---------------------
That and a Euro will get you coffee. ;-)
> You are full of dodo!
-------------
You mean doo-doo. ;-) The dodo bird is extinct.
> There is NOTHING in your posts sofar that has at all given me the impression
> that you ANY knowledge to back your rantings with.
------------------
I'm not awfully expert, but I am well-read.
> You state that Norway is getting less socialist. My question to you then is
> when? Where?
> I saw nothing of the kind when I was home 2 months ago. If there was I might
> be thinking of moving home.
-----------------------
Then we know what YOU'D like to prove politically, now don't we? Are we
to believe expatriates like you?? Don't be silly.
> Actually Norway just changed from a Christian coalition government to a
> Labour government less than 2 months ago. A coalition government that lasted
> only two and a half year until the Labour party had had enough of them and
> booted them out.
------------------
Better.
> Of the last 50 years The Norwegian Labour Party has had more than 30% of the
> votes in _every single_ election. And with 7-10 parties even you should
> realize that that makes a majority.
-------------------
Now if they could all agree.
> Please look these facts up. You might
> learn something.
> Here is a link from the Norwegian Gov't for you. It is in English too.
> http://odin.dep.no/smk/eng/govnorw.html
>
> Norway is NOT a member of the European Union (an entity that is created
> solely to enhance the capitalist value and power of it's member states),
> while Sweden and France however is.
---------------
Yes, and...
> Norway of today has a problem with Swedes immigrating to Norway to benefit
> from a more stable economical and political system as well as better
> salaries, lower unemployment, less waiting on medical help, better vacation
> system, more even salaries etc.
-------------------
I have never said socialism would attract the wealth of the rich or
their favor, I said it was fair. When the world does away with the rich
then we'll see valid results for political experiments across
geo-political borders and not until. Norway has been pushed and pulled
by the rich of Europe for a long time, despite thrashing around type
efforts at socialism. I can read and you can read. Quit pretending
nobody has ever said this before. It's not new.
> You are _the_ posterchild of why communism failed; A total lack of reality
> concept, and a complete unwillingness to expand your own knowledge and
> brain.
>
> Erik
---------------------
That's fatuous nonsense. Little Ole Me has nothing to do with the mass
trend of historical change. You're either saying a lot more people are
like me, lately, and bemoaning it, (tough shit), or you're contradicting
yourself.
> P.S. Take it from me. The grass always seems greener on the other side of
> the fence. The reality of it is however, that no matter where you go there
> is other places that has a better form of this or that, while where you are
> has better this. The perfect form of government _does not_ exist.
------------------
Not yet. But it will.
Steve
Annemarie
> Annemarie wrote:
> >
> > "Betty" <bet...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> > news:RwOL4.1501$9B.1...@news.bc.tac.net...
> > >
> > > >Lynn Sylvan wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Does anyone else have the duel job of looking after children
and
> > > >> looking after an older parent? I'm going a little nuts. How do you
> > cope?
> > > >>
> > > >> Lynn
> > > >-----------------
> > > >Did you vote socialist?
> > > >If not why ask us?
> > > >Steve
> > >
> > > Steve, don't you have anything better to do than to dole your crap out
on
> > > people.
> > >
(which
> > > I'm assuming has a elder care platform) her concerns are still the
same.
> > >
> > > Many people have the duel responsibility of child and elder care and
it
> > can
> > > be both emotionally and financially taxing.
> > >
have
> > > any.
> > > I'm sure you must have a "masters degree" in elder care along with
all
> > your
> > > other accomplishments.
> > >
> > > Betty
> >
> > Quantum Mechanics. Zero.
> > Annemarie
> --------------------
> about, eh? Typical.
> Steve
Again Steves credibility is drawn into question. A Bachelor of arts, in
physics, surely you mean a BSc, a Bachelor of Science. In NZ physics is not
part of the arts degrees, though it is often called bugger all.
Annemarie
Annemarie
> K. Workman wrote:
> >
> > Steve wrote:
> >
> > > about, eh? Typical.
> > > Steve
> >
clearly
> > if you were studying Physics, you would have done the math required for
a BS.
> ---------------
> I have been told there is no different requirement for math, and
> I can't find any more to take for a BS at several other schools.
> I would not even know what other math I COULD take, since all that
> is left is math major courses in the upper division, discrete math and
> such.
>
>
> >I
> > don't know any physics students here that would opt for a Bachelor of
Arts with a
> > foreign language requirement over the Bachelor of Science degree that
naturally
> > goes along with physics.
> >
> > Kathleen
> --------------------
> I have all the math, but our U only offered the BA. Go figure.
> These requirements differ a LOT, from what I was told.
> BS v BA is not as clear school to school as it is inside some schools.
> I had a lot of extra credits not needed for it too.
> And a couple grad courses. Messy transcript.
> Steve
and not in the slightest bit believable
Annemarie
Steve
>
> > I have all the math, but our U only offered the BA. Go figure.
> > These requirements differ a LOT, from what I was told.
> > BS v BA is not as clear school to school as it is inside some schools.
> > I had a lot of extra credits not needed for it too.
> > And a couple grad courses. Messy transcript.
> > Steve
>
> and not in the slightest bit believable
> Annemarie
Well it's true! Sorry if you'd like it to be otherwise,
but all you're doing is looking stupid. Don't talk
to me about it, I didn't write the curriculum rules.
I'm trying to figure out what you think you're even
accomplishing here! It's puzzling.
Steve
Steve
>
> > > Steve probably has as much knowledge about politics as he does about
> > > Quantum Mechanics. Zero.
> > > Annemarie
> > --------------------
> > about, eh? Typical.
> > Steve
>
> physics, surely you mean a BSc, a Bachelor of Science. In NZ physics is not
> part of the arts degrees, though it is often called bugger all.
> Annemarie
I'm having trouble figuring what you imagine you're accomplishing here.
Lots of people know me and know my educational history. Do you really
want to pretend that I didn't go to college? You're going to be very
disappointed and look REALLY stupid!!
I don't have a BS or BSc, the name varies, but a BA. I didn't write the
rules, and they do seem to differ place to place. I'm told the
difference is between an engineering school versus a pure science
school. You should ask someone who knows whom you trust before you look
like a total ass here.
Steve
Steve
> All, in NZ, it would be impossible in physics, physics is just not part of
> the arts, I just get sick of your know it all attifude about anything and
> everything and the way you twist any small piece of knowledge that you do
> have to your own ends.
> Annemarie
---------------
You are living in a tiny little out of the way island on this earth.
Have you checked any major university websites? have you done a search?
I guess not!
Steve
Steve
>
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Steve <rst...@armory.com> wrote in message news:390385...@armory.com...
> Physics is the most fundamental of the sciences. It is a way of studying and
> understanding nature at its most elemental level. It also provides a basis
> for advanced studies in various applied science fields and engineering.
>
> The Department of Physics offers programs of study leading to the Bachelor
> of Science degree. Students may major in physics or in physics with
> secondary education teacher certification.
>
> The Department of Physics also offers a dual degree program which allows
> students to receive both a bachelor's degree in physics from NGCSU and a
> bachelor's degree in engineering from either Georgia Tech or Clemson
> University.
>
> http://www-astro.physics.uiowa.edu/~srs/techne.html
> Bachelor of Science in Applied Physics
> The University of Iowa
>
> http://minerva.tau.ac.il/physics/undergraduate/
> Course list for B.Sc. in physics
>
> http://physics.nmsu.edu/overview.html
> For undergraduate students:
>
> We offer both Bachelor of Science (B.S.) and Bachelor of Arts (B.A.)
> degrees. The B.S degree mainly prepares students for graduate study in
> physics or related engineering disciplinaries.
>
> http://www.phy.syr.edu/undergraduate/bs.html
> The Bachelor of Science (B.S.) degree in physics normally requires at least
> 39 credit hours of physics coursework, including at least 30 credit hours of
> upper division courses (numbered 300 or above). The B. S. degree is awarded
> by petition to the physics faculty based on your work on a program developed
> with your advisor.
>
> http://www.physics.usyd.edu.au/student.html
> When you come to the University of Sydney to study Physics you will enrol in
> the Faculty of Science and study for a Bachelor of Science (BSc) or a BSc
> (Advanced) degree. The Faculty of Science has many booklets to help you with
> information about the BSc degree - in particular the Undergraduate Programs
> 1998 handbook. You should get copies of this and other booklets to assist
> you in your choice of subjects. You can also study some physics as part of
> other degrees such as Engineering or Arts. The School web pages also give
> details of the courses offered by the School of Physics at both the
> undergraduate and postgraduate levels.
>
> http://www.utoledo.edu/_campus-info/admissions/98-00catalog/gr-deptphysics-a
> s.html
> For a degree of Master of Science or Master of Science and Education, a
> student must complete 30 hours of graduate credit including the following:
> (a) PHYS 6140 and an additional 15 hours of graduate course credit in
> Physics, with six of the 15 hours numbered above 6000. Credit in PHYS 5900,
> 6010, and/or 6020 will not count toward either degree; (b) The student must
> present a satisfactory thesis based on directed research for no more than
> eight hours of degree credit; (c) The remaining hours within the 30 total
> may be chosen from any courses approved for graduate credit not previously
> elected, with the approval of the student's committee. In some cases
> students working toward the Ph.D. may earn the M.S. or the M.S.E. degree
> without formal presentation of the M.S. thesis if they have passed the Ph.D.
> Qualifying Examination, satisfied the course requirements for the M.S., and
> completed a research project under the supervision of a research adviser.
> Students meeting these requirements may petition the department to grant the
> M.S. without formal presentation of a thesis.
>
> ok, so where's this BA in physics?
------------------
Read your own post!!
http://physics.nmsu.edu/overview.html
For undergraduate students:
We offer both Bachelor of Science (B.S.) and Bachelor of Arts (B.A.)
degrees. The B.S degree mainly prepares students for graduate study in
physics or related engineering disciplinaries.
Steve
Annemarie
Dennis Here
Steve wrote in message <3902E8...@armory.com>..
.
>but all you're doing is looking stupid. Don't talk
>to me about it
OK suits me. Most sensible thing you have said to date.
Dennis
susan
Erik wrote:
> Excuse me Sir.
>
> What in the holy hickory are you talking about?
> After being born in Norway, serving a period in the Norwegian equivalent of
> State Senate and being generally politically active all my life, I have one
> thing to say to you up front.
> You are full of dodo!
>
> There is NOTHING in your posts sofar that has at all given me the impression
> that you ANY knowledge to back your rantings with.
>
> You state that Norway is getting less socialist. My question to you then is
> when? Where?
> I saw nothing of the kind when I was home 2 months ago. If there was I might
> be thinking of moving home.
> Actually Norway just changed from a Christian coalition government to a
> Labour government less than 2 months ago. A coalition government that lasted
> only two and a half year until the Labour party had had enough of them and
> booted them out.
>
> Of the last 50 years The Norwegian Labour Party has had more than 30% of the
> votes in _every single_ election. And with 7-10 parties even you should
> realize that that makes a majority. Please look these facts up. You might
> learn something.
> Here is a link from the Norwegian Gov't for you. It is in English too.
> http://odin.dep.no/smk/eng/govnorw.html
>
> Norway is NOT a member of the European Union (an entity that is created
> solely to enhance the capitalist value and power of it's member states),
> while Sweden and France however is.
> Norway of today has a problem with Swedes immigrating to Norway to benefit
> from a more stable economical and political system as well as better
> salaries, lower unemployment, less waiting on medical help, better vacation
> system, more even salaries etc.
>
> You are _the_ posterchild of why communism failed; A total lack of reality
> concept, and a complete unwillingness to expand your own knowledge and
> brain.
>
> Erik
It's OK Erik. Ignore him. His on-line encyclopedia regularly fails him. You
could ask him to sing for you, though. That's the only one of his credentials
that hasn't been smashed to smithereens yet. It would be very interesting to
hear.............
dolores
susan wrote in message <3904AF44...@ulth.ca>...
>
Snipped
>
>It's OK Erik. Ignore him. His on-line encyclopedia regularly fails him.
You
>could ask him to sing for you, though. That's the only one of his
credentials
>that hasn't been smashed to smithereens yet. It would be very interesting
to
>hear.............
Well....if *Mr Ego* is going to get to sing...then *I* want a go
too....*And*...*I* have won 12 Eurovision Song Contests...sang with the
London Orchestra.....seranaded with Pavarotti.....turned down
Madonna's/Boyzone's and U2's offer to join them on tour...I have 50....yes!
50!! platinums....sing every xmas for the Queen...which is televised world
wide...
I can seduce and enchant any man with my angelic and purrrrfect
harmonics....and in order that I may return some of what the world has given
*me*...I give free singing lessons to the street kids of Peru....where I
might add I saved a village, (using *just* a glass of water and a hoe), from
a hoard of killer army ants.....and oh did I tell ye...
I can tread water, I also have a BS, BA, MSc, PHD, and BEd, in
*everything*.....
Dolores:-)
>
susan
dolores wrote:
Pretty meagre qualifications, dolores. You'll have to do better than that if
you want to beat Steve. He's da man.
>
dolores
susan wrote in message <3904BD94...@ulth.ca>...
Beat him!!....naaaw...I wanna have his babies!!.....LOL:-)
Dolores
>>
>
Sarah
his way out of that one.
Sarah
susan <su...@ulth.ca> wrote in message news:3904AF44...@ulth.ca...
FullName Optional
>So you with a GED or something have no idea what a BA in physics is
>about, eh? Typical.
>Steve
You friggin' idiot--in physics you would get a BS... and no, it
doens't stand for what you think it does.
Steve
If you study the literature of a number of universities you will find
that some of them offer a BA in physics. Few, but it is so.
Steve
Cici in Texas
>Cici in Texas wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 21 Apr 2000 01:49:39 -0700, Steve <rst...@armory.com> wrote:
>>
>> >So you with a GED or something have no idea what a BA in physics is
>> >about, eh? Typical.
>> >Steve
>>
>> Wouldn't a bachelor's degree in physics be a Bachelor of *Science*,
>> not a Bachelor of Arts?
>>
>> Cici in Texas
>-----------------------
>No, the difference as it is explained to me, is whether or not you
>graduate from an engineering school or a non-engineering university.
>There's no big curricular difference.
>Steve
I wouldn't know, I was a Fine Arts major -- I didn't ask those
questions. Although I could ask my uncle, I guess.
Cici in Texas