Baba is lucky the way he is
JimSummers
his destiny. I can remember a time when I was like him and my whole world
was my own private hobbies and pursuits and honestly I was much more happy
then than I am today. Intensely shy or avoidant personality types
experience a tremendous increase in anxiety if they stray too far from
their comfort zone.
Let me explain, 5 years ago I was downloading music on Napster and
looking up stuff on the internet and I was RELAXED, maybe I wasn't
"normal" but I wasn't waking up everyday wondering why I shouldn't hang
myself. Also, I have so many stomach aches now which must be a result of
the anxiety I've placed upon myself to be social and to obtain what normal
people desire.
Furthermore, I'm plagued by so many of the stupid things I've done in
public in the last 2 years or so since I became "too dangerously social".
I think about girls I stared at and tried to get them to notice me and
other kinds of bizarre behavior that I wouldn't have been doing 5 years
ago. Basically my world is a living HELL today. I have reached a point
where even the smallest thing sets me emotionally off balance...
Imagine this, at 3:30 P.M. on campus on Wednesday I saw a beautiful
brunette in boots sitting on a bench outside of the library. There it
went!!! My whole day was ruined!! I was angry and confused the rest of the
day, thrown into a frenzy of tortured desire. I didn't go to bed until 5
A.M. that night because I was overheated, irritated, and had a horrible
stomach ache...ONE GIRL sent my next 14 or so hours into complete swirling
chaos...And this sort of emotional turmoil has happened so often recently.
And I'm still plagued by a truly painful lust/crush on this Swiss girl
who was in a class with me last Fall. I started the January semester
practically stalking her, stopping immediately in my tracks to stare at
her everytime I saw her walk by. That became too painful so then I've now
tried to completely avoid seeing her. I consider it a victory if I can get
through the day without seeing her which is possible but not definite
because while she is not in any classes with me this semester she still
has classes in the same building as I do.
In summary, I feel completely emotionally off balance and I believe that
most of it is because my inner world is not as deep as it once was. I used
to spend hours alone just reading history of Europe books or philosophy
but now my concentration/imagination for that is in a serious decline.
Baba, my point is that your current self might be the best one you will
ever have. The person you could turn into might destroy whatever few small
enjoyments you have today.
Now some will respond to my post by saying that "JimSummers" is just a
psycho so what would he know about it? But it is certainly possible that
your emotional grip on reality perhaps rests on as fragile a foundation as
mine does.
What I'm saying is that "Change isn't always for the better"
lm
I have noticed since I started reading/posting again here that your
posts seem a lot more "real" to me than a few years ago. Before, you
came across as just another darkfalz type who hated women because they
were women. But you have posted some things recently that have been
painful for me to read. This post is like that. I do believe that in
some circumstances it's possible to extend yourself, have some small
failures that you can learn from, have some small successes that you
can build on, and become less "shy" that way.
But in some cases it really isn't about shyness at all. Jim you are so
paralyzed by your fears that I really think that you would do better
to seek professional help than to try to push yourself without any
guidance --- especially when you beat yourself up for not measuring up
to the image you have of a successful male.
Your suffering comes through so clearly in this post. It just doesnt'
seem to me like that kind of pain can be handled well alone. Have you
considered seeing a therapist? Have you ever seen one for any length
of time?
lm
JimSummers
seem a lot more "real" to me than a few years ago. Before, you came across
as just another darkfalz type who hated women because they were women. But
you have posted some things recently that have been
>painful for me to read. This post is like that.
I feel so very human now and that's what scares me, it is really
overwhelming. It was much easier being a hermit and numbing myself down
but now that I'm out in the world with the mindset of actually doing
something with my life both socially and professionally my emotional
sensitivities are so intense.
That lovely Swiss woman with her dark brown hair pulled up and her
pretty smile show me a glimpse of such promises of happiness and love, but
she's marrying someone else as I learned in November from a friend of hers.
>Your suffering comes through so clearly in this post. It just doesnt'seem
to me like that kind of pain can be handled well alone. Have you
considered seeing a therapist? Have you ever seen >one for any length of
time?
I will seek a therapist very soon because I'm falling apart. The
emotional fluctuations make it difficult to even get through 24 hours.
Thank you for caring about me.
Lash Rambo
news:ea0f54ec3a40a847...@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com:
> Baba isn't wrong in wanting to avoid that future self who would
> change
> his destiny. I can remember a time when I was like him and my whole
> world was my own private hobbies and pursuits and honestly I was much
> more happy then than I am today. Intensely shy or avoidant personality
> types experience a tremendous increase in anxiety if they stray too
> far from their comfort zone.
Hmm.... Baba seems to be one of the least happy people here.
> What I'm saying is that "Change isn't always for the better"
This is true.
CLFan
JimSummers wrote:
> Imagine this, at 3:30 P.M. on campus on Wednesday I saw a beautiful
> brunette in boots sitting on a bench outside of the library. There it
> went!!! My whole day was ruined!! I was angry and confused the rest of the
> day, thrown into a frenzy of tortured desire. I didn't go to bed until 5
> A.M. that night because I was overheated, irritated, and had a horrible
> stomach ache...ONE GIRL sent my next 14 or so hours into complete swirling
> chaos...And this sort of emotional turmoil has happened so often recently.
What about such girls makes you angy and confused? What kind of
thoughts/feelings do you have during those 14 hours of turmoil? Is it
that seeing a beautiful girl reminds you of your failure in this
respect?
> In summary, I feel completely emotionally off balance and I believe that
> most of it is because my inner world is not as deep as it once was. I used
> to spend hours alone just reading history of Europe books or philosophy
> but now my concentration/imagination for that is in a serious decline.
I think you should get help before this gets out of control.
> Now some will respond to my post by saying that "JimSummers" is just a
> psycho so what would he know about it? But it is certainly possible that
> your emotional grip on reality perhaps rests on as fragile a foundation as
> mine does.
Well, I, for one, always take your posts here seriously, minus de nazi
bullshit.
The Babaloughesian
> Baba isn't wrong in wanting to avoid that future self who would change
> his destiny.
I don't think anybody's really been saying that I am.
> I can remember a time when I was like him and my whole world
> was my own private hobbies and pursuits and honestly I was much more happy
> then than I am today.
Look, if your whole world was hobbies and pursuits, then you weren't
like me. And I am not happy, although I imagine you are experiencing a
lot more pain, because you seem to experience emotions much more
strongly than I do. I mostly feel tired or sad, rather than "tortured
desire" and things like that.
> Intensely shy or avoidant personality types
> experience a tremendous increase in anxiety if they stray too far from
> their comfort zone.
>
> Let me explain, 5 years ago I was downloading music on Napster and
> looking up stuff on the internet and I was RELAXED, maybe I wasn't
> "normal" but I wasn't waking up everyday wondering why I shouldn't hang
> myself.
I may be relaxed relative to how I was years ago, but that doesn't mean
I'm not still thinking about suicide. Life still seems like a big
empty meaningless chore to me. The single most common sentence to run
through my mind these days is "What's the point?"
> Also, I have so many stomach aches now which must be a result of
> the anxiety I've placed upon myself to be social and to obtain what normal
> people desire.
Yep. I can recall during the fall term when I had a lot of
presentations to give, I developed a series of involuntary tics in my
face and hands that lasted almost until January. I was fortunate that
the stress was only affecting my muscles. You sound like you might
have developed an ulcer or something. Over time your cardiovascular
health and immune system can also be screwed up.
> Furthermore, I'm plagued by so many of the stupid things I've done in
> public in the last 2 years or so since I became "too dangerously social".
>
> I think about girls I stared at and tried to get them to notice me and
> other kinds of bizarre behavior that I wouldn't have been doing 5 years
> ago. Basically my world is a living HELL today. I have reached a point
> where even the smallest thing sets me emotionally off balance...
>
> Imagine this, at 3:30 P.M. on campus on Wednesday I saw a beautiful
> brunette in boots sitting on a bench outside of the library. There it
> went!!! My whole day was ruined!! I was angry and confused the rest of the
> day, thrown into a frenzy of tortured desire. I didn't go to bed until 5
> A.M. that night because I was overheated, irritated, and had a horrible
> stomach ache...ONE GIRL sent my next 14 or so hours into complete swirling
> chaos...And this sort of emotional turmoil has happened so often recently.
That sucks. I don't get why the sight of a beautiful woman has to make
you so miserable. I would think that you'd have lost enough hope by
now that watching them from a distance would be good enough. You're
certainly not confirming Mxmanic's hormone level hypothesis.
> And I'm still plagued by a truly painful lust/crush on this Swiss girl
> who was in a class with me last Fall. I started the January semester
> practically stalking her, stopping immediately in my tracks to stare at
> her everytime I saw her walk by.
Now there's a weird coincidence. I've been doing the same with this
Polish girl who's been in a number of my classes over the past few
years. Between her hair, her fashion sense, and the way she walks, her
appearance really stands out, so I find that whenever she's within my
field of view, I immediately notice her. I've had this ongoing mental
game going on where I imagine I'm stalking her. One afternoon in
January I caught her passing a building I was in and I trailed a block
behind her for a little while as she made her way across campus, but I
haven't bothered doing anything like that since. It's an amusing
notion, secretly following people around campus. I've considered doing
that more often to kill time between classes, but with my horrendous
sleep schedule, I tend to just spend the time sleeping.
> In summary, I feel completely emotionally off balance and I believe that
> most of it is because my inner world is not as deep as it once was. I used
> to spend hours alone just reading history of Europe books or philosophy
> but now my concentration/imagination for that is in a serious decline.
And you think I have much of an "inner world"? I think you were a lot
more deeply absorbed in your hobbies than I am in anything. The only
thing I spend hours doing nowadays is downloading porn and tv episodes
and posting to forums in between, and those are pretty much just
meaningless compulsive routines that I now have to do whether I like
them or not. I doubt I've ever had the sorts of passionate interests
you speak of when you talk about yourself. Maybe the closest I've ever
come to something similar would have been drawing, and I've been
suffering from artist's block for a year or two now. I pick up a
pencil now and if I don't immediately think "what's the point?" and put
it down again, I still end up quitting halfway through and turning to
some mindless escapist activity like surfing the web.
> Baba, my point is that your current self might be the best one you will
> ever have. The person you could turn into might destroy whatever few small
> enjoyments you have today.
>
> Now some will respond to my post by saying that "JimSummers" is just a
> psycho so what would he know about it?
No, but zen dog will probably say something about gay sex.
> But it is certainly possible that
> your emotional grip on reality perhaps rests on as fragile a foundation as
> mine does.
>
> What I'm saying is that "Change isn't always for the better"
No kidding.
aanbi
> emotional fluctuations make it difficult to even get through 24 hours.
I'm not sure that would help. Because it's not you that needs help, its
the cruel women who reject you every day.
Think about it... women are dating abusive bad boys, writing love
letters to serial killers... and rejecting you over and over again. They
need therapy, not you.
JimSummers
thoughts/feelings do you have during those 14 hours of turmoil? Is it
that seeing a beautiful girl reminds you of your >failure in this
respect?
It is a feeling of complete powerlessness. I simply don't want to like
these girls but I can't prevent it from happening, and yes it does remind
me of my failures in this area.
It also makes very angry that these women I'm attracted to are often
total bitches and I absolutely despise their personalities. There is an
Armenian Feminist girl who is a complete snob and she struts around on
campus with this huge ego of hers, and I have been in classes with her
before and she is highly intelligent but in that wicked way in which she
uses her quick mind to cut other people down and gain superiority over
them.
Now based upon those negatives, why do I still want her? She wears these
elaborate colorful scarfs and the embarrassing thing is that I have this
bizarre urge to just give her a big hug and cuddle with her...I want to
cuddle with that total bitch!! Isn't that weird? I mean she has this power
over me that I can't understand, just typing these details about her is
turning me on. She is a complete bitch but I have this fantasy image in my
mind of taking a bath with her and running my hands through her long
flowing dark hair. I want to kiss the back of her neck and the front of
her neck for hours.
JimSummers
more deeply absorbed in your hobbies than I am in anything. The only
thing I spend hours doing nowadays is downloading porn and tv episodes and
posting to forums in between, and those are pretty much just meaningless
compulsive routines that I now have to do whether I like them or not. I
doubt I've ever had the sorts of passionate interests you >speak of when
you talk about yourself.
What are your favorite TV shows? I thought you were really into music?
I remember seeing you mention liking the band 'System of A Down' in one
your posts that Solitary Soul Googled from 2002.
You said in a different post that you don't have a car, but do you also
not have a driver's license? I have heard that shybies often have trouble
passing the driving test due to anxiety, I know I did.
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"JimSummers" <jimsum...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> I will seek a therapist very soon because I'm falling apart. The
> emotional fluctuations make it difficult to even get through 24 hours.
You're bringing this upon yourself. So just go back to the way you were,
save your money, and be happy. A "therapist" will make thing worse because
he'll try to subject you to more of what you're going through now, because
going out and enjoying people's company is something everyone should do!
<sarcasm>
helen
aanbi wrote:
> > I will seek a therapist very soon because I'm falling apart. The
> > emotional fluctuations make it difficult to even get through 24 hours.
>
> I'm not sure that would help. Because it's not you that needs help,
yes he does...
> its
> the cruel women who reject you every day.
nope...
> Think about it... women are dating abusive bad boys, writing love
> letters to serial killers...
(irony mode) yes...all women all the time...(stooooopid!)
> and rejecting you over and over again. They
> need therapy, not you.
you're not helping.
you're enabling.
h
The Babaloughesian
> >And you think I have much of an "inner world"? I think you were a lot
> more deeply absorbed in your hobbies than I am in anything. The only
> thing I spend hours doing nowadays is downloading porn and tv episodes and
> posting to forums in between, and those are pretty much just meaningless
> compulsive routines that I now have to do whether I like them or not. I
> doubt I've ever had the sorts of passionate interests you >speak of when
> you talk about yourself.
>
>
> What are your favorite TV shows?
Battlestar Galactica and The L Word,
> I thought you were really into music?
I don't know what "really into" is supposed to mean, but I do listen to
music sometimes.
> I remember seeing you mention liking the band 'System of A Down' in one
> your posts that Solitary Soul Googled from 2002.
>
> You said in a different post that you don't have a car, but do you also
> not have a driver's license? I have heard that shybies often have trouble
> passing the driving test due to anxiety, I know I did.
I never took the test. There has never been any imminent need for me
to learn to drive. When I turned 16, I was too shy to have a social
life or a job or any hobbies that would require leaving the house, and
in that regard I have not changed over the past six years, so there
hasn't been a reason for me to need to drive anywhere.
Limerent Oil
I disagree. He might actually have a mood disorder that would benefit
from therapy and/or meds.
--
L.Oil
Solitary Soul
> Baba isn't wrong in wanting to avoid that future self who would change
>his destiny.
What exactly *IS* his destiny?
Everyone's "destiny" is to get what you can out of life while you can get it.
> I can remember a time when I was like him and my whole world
>was my own private hobbies and pursuits and honestly I was much more happy
>then than I am today.
Are you SURE that this is the real reason?
I'm speculating that it's probably more a matter of having to confront your future.
Aren't you getting close to graduation?
What are you going to do once you have completed college?
Have you discussed your future with either of your parents?
> Intensely shy or avoidant personality types
>experience a tremendous increase in anxiety if they stray too far from
>their comfort zone.
Perhaps - but the thing of it is: You don't HAVE a "comfort zone"
- by your own admission - so where does that leave you?
... what are your options?
> Let me explain, 5 years ago I was downloading music on Napster and
>looking up stuff on the internet and I was RELAXED, maybe I wasn't
>"normal" but I wasn't waking up everyday wondering why I shouldn't hang
>myself. Also, I have so many stomach aches now which must be a result of
>the anxiety I've placed upon myself to be social and to obtain what normal
>people desire.
What do you desire?
Can you describe for us your version of "The Perfect Life?"
> Furthermore, I'm plagued by so many of the stupid things I've done in
>public in the last 2 years or so since I became "too dangerously social".
>I think about girls I stared at and tried to get them to notice me and
>other kinds of bizarre behavior that I wouldn't have been doing 5 years
>ago.
Did any of those girls react in an abusive/insulting manner?
Are they a part of your life today?
Do you have any contact with them?
> Basically my world is a living HELL today. I have reached a point
>where even the smallest thing sets me emotionally off balance...
>
> Imagine this, at 3:30 P.M. on campus on Wednesday I saw a beautiful
>brunette in boots sitting on a bench outside of the library. There it
>went!!! My whole day was ruined!! I was angry and confused the rest of the
>day, thrown into a frenzy of tortured desire. I didn't go to bed until 5
>A.M. that night because I was overheated, irritated, and had a horrible
>stomach ache...ONE GIRL sent my next 14 or so hours into complete swirling
>chaos...And this sort of emotional turmoil has happened so often recently.
>
>
> And I'm still plagued by a truly painful lust/crush on this Swiss girl
>who was in a class with me last Fall. I started the January semester
>practically stalking her, stopping immediately in my tracks to stare at
>her everytime I saw her walk by. That became too painful so then I've now
>tried to completely avoid seeing her. I consider it a victory if I can get
>through the day without seeing her which is possible but not definite
>because while she is not in any classes with me this semester she still
>has classes in the same building as I do.
Use the pain to your advantage - I'll comment on this some more later ...
> In summary, I feel completely emotionally off balance and I believe that
>most of it is because my inner world is not as deep as it once was. I used
>to spend hours alone just reading history of Europe books or philosophy
>but now my concentration/imagination for that is in a serious decline.
Is there anything else that you might take an interest in?
> Baba, my point is that your current self might be the best one you will
>ever have. The person you could turn into might destroy whatever few small
>enjoyments you have today.
>
> Now some will respond to my post by saying that "JimSummers" is just a
>psycho so what would he know about it? But it is certainly possible that
>your emotional grip on reality perhaps rests on as fragile a foundation as
>mine does.
>
> What I'm saying is that "Change isn't always for the better"
You are right about that: "Change isn't always for the better."
When change takes place without any design nor purpose - when you change
in ways that isn't based on any rational objective - then the nature of
that change is going to be unpredictable - and the end results aren't likely
to be very desirable - and you CERTAINLY CAN be worse off than you are now.
If you are unhappy with who you are now, then you have no choice but to
effect whatever change you believe might take you towards becoming a happier person
- as happy as you could FEASIBLY become
(and that doesn't mean that you'll become a happy person 24/7)
- and the first step is to try and determine what kind of change you might
be capable of - given the resources that you might possess or be able to acquire.
IOW: You have to be practical and objectively determine for yourself
the kind of change that you could achieve given the desirability
of the most optimal identity for yourself.
Change comes with a cost - and a certain degree of risk - so there's no question
that you'll have to pay a price (in terms of time, effort, money, and pain)
- and there are no guarantees that the person that you might design to become will
be any more viable than who you are now - and no guarantee that you'll be successful
in achieving that particular objective (which would be the risk component).
Keeping that in mind, you might decide to choose an option that might not
be anything close to becoming a "normal" person (using whatever definition
for ‘normal" that you would care to operate with) - particularly if you are
severely lacking in those skill sets that most "normal" people would take for granted
- and you don't believe that it is feasible to acquire those (usually social) skill
sets.
You've mentioned the pain you're in - and I can understand that pain - as I once
went through the same sort of devastating pain myself. As I stated before:
The key to surviving the pain is to USE IT to your advantage - come to terms with it
- come to the understanding as to the source and nature of it - that the pain
is a product of your own inability to reconcile yourself with your own expectations
and limitations - the consequence of an internal conflict; You will not likely be able
to become a "normal" person to the extent that you could have the same sort of life that
other ("norms") might have - to the extent that you could function adequately within
an intimate LTR with a girl that you would find you attractive. Keep in mind that
the vast majority of the young female population wants to have children
- so you should ask yourself if you truly believe that you could perform adequately
in the role of a father. You should also keep in mind that love requires that you must
make sacrifices, and the nature of those sacrifices depends largely upon the woman that
you might (hypothetically) get involved with. Some of those sacrifices would include
the relinquishment of the liberties that you've enjoyed for most of your life
- along with the ability to make decisions unilaterally - without having to take
into consideration the interests and inputs of a life-partner.
These are the kinds of issues that a lot of the loner-guys in this group don't
seem to appreciate.
The pain is a consequence of the internal conflict - the pain has a purpose
in that it is focusing your attention upon those internal conflicts - much like
the pain that you would feel if you were to hold your unprotected hand within
a flame; If it were not for the pain, your hand would be severely damaged.
Therefore, it incumbent upon you to resolve that conflict - one way or another.
This will involve the exercise of a certain degree of self-discipline:
The source of the pain is coming from within you, so the best defense from that
pain will come from within you as well. The pain is a product of your unrealized
expectations and unmet desires, so it is that desire that generates the pain.
If meeting those desires isn't feasible - as it would seem that it isn't in the
case of love and intimacy - then the best option might be instead to exercise the desire
- to focus your attentions away from it
- to focus upon yourself instead of others
(this might seem to be a bit selfish, but you cannot make anyone else happy if
you yourself haven't established some sort of stability in your own life)
- to stop comparing yourself to others
- as the standard that you would be setting for yourself isn't realistically feasible.
Developing the resolve to maintain this perspective is key to breaking this vicious
cycle
- developing the inner strength to maintain that resolve is fundamentally essential
- and the most significant determinant for a favorable outcome.
There is one thing that must be kept in mind in all of this: Noone is deliriously happy
all of the time, in every circumstance, and within every situation. No matter what the
objective might be, the best that you can hope for is a better NET VALUE in terms
of costs (that which elicits negative emotional states) and realized benefits
(positive emotional states).
This is a winnable war, but there must be a resolve to fight the battles.
The first step is to establish your priorities - so what is the most important
thing in your life? ... the most important objective at this point in time?
... the most crucial battle to be fought?
.
.
Solitary Soul -> http://users3.ev1.net/~solitarysoul/
-----------------------------------------------------
Death was in that poisonous wave,
And in its gulf a fitting grave
For him who thence could solace bring
To his lone imagining --
Whose solitary soul could make
An Eden of that dim lake.
"The Lake" - by Edgar Allan Poe
Rainier
JimSummers wrote:
> Imagine this, at 3:30 P.M. on campus on Wednesday I saw a beautiful
> brunette in boots sitting on a bench outside of the library. There it
> went!!! My whole day was ruined!! I was angry and confused the rest of the
> day, thrown into a frenzy of tortured desire. I didn't go to bed until 5
> A.M. that night because I was overheated, irritated, and had a horrible
> stomach ache...ONE GIRL sent my next 14 or so hours into complete swirling
> chaos...And this sort of emotional turmoil has happened so often recently.
I can totally relate. Friday before class I have a pleasant
conversation with Amethyst regarding St. Patrick's Day. She smiles and
laughs at my jokes like always then halfway through she pulls out a
textbook and begins reading!
When class starts, the instructor lets us work on our group projects.
Amethyst is in my group. The other girl in our group goes to work on a
computer so I sit beside her. Now there is a computer open right beside
mine, which would allow the three of us to easily work together.
Instead of sitting next to me, Amethyst sits alone at a computer along
the back wall away from both the other girl and myself!
I'm pissed off and don't even bother talking to her after class like I
normally do. Then an hour later she e-mails me for advice on our
project. I found it odd she directed her question at me personally
instead of sending a mass e-mail to the group and asking both our
opinions.
But anyways, this experience ruined my entire Friday so I know what
you're going through. And I agree, I was far happier when I lived in
Seattle and didn't give a damn about anything but hiking and bike
riding.
-rainier
michaela
Yeah. Us women don't even need to be asked in order to reject
you.
- Michaela
Bernd Jendrissek
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Rainier <rainie...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Friday before class I have a pleasant conversation with Amethyst
Wait... I thought Amethyst was one of Jim Summers' stalkees? But no, on
further reflection I've probably confused her with that filthy Armenian
thanksgiving turkey who is responsible for the genocide of millions of
innocent Turks.
>But anyways, this experience ruined my entire Friday so I know what
>you're going through. And I agree, I was far happier when I lived in
>Seattle and didn't give a damn about anything but hiking and bike
>riding.
Heh, I used to be into politics a bit, but now I'm totally bored with
all the Jacob Zuma stuff that's going on, even though I know it's really
Important Stuff (tm). Same with vector analysis and the Laser FAQ and
amateur telescope making; I used to spend considerable time at least
daydreaming about these, if not actually reading, but it's all gone to
hell now. Instead I squander my time on lame, repetitive stuff (writing
build scripts for all the zillions of packages on which GNOME depends)
and the frightening thing is that it somewhat excites me. It's like I'm
on a quest for the holy grail: doing it universally right, once and for
all. Hey maybe now that Virgo Cluster has been posting again here and
there, I could try to apply group theory to my dance class problems.
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